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05-28-2010, 08:45 AM | #13481 |
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Takedown, a lot, but not all, of these questions are answered in Mark Bellomo's book.
-Doc was originally meant to be an enlisted Navy corpsman, but was changed to be an Army doctor, and therefore an officer. -Steeler was usually shown as tank commander, although the MOBAT was often only shown with him operating it. -Breaker is a corporal, the packaging calling him "officer" is probably just a mistake. -Hawk was a Col. until he gets promoted in #45. No idea about the flight training, it's never been explained. Similar to how LH mentions in issue 1 that Zap was a helicopter pilot, but there's no mention of it on his file card. -LH has said before that Stalker was supposed to be the "First Shirt". Duke was originally going to be a major, but LH said that it didn't make sense for an older Major to be commanded by a much younger Col. At one point, I think LH said he liked Stalker but not Duke, which makes sense when you look at how many times Duke screws up in the comics. Hope this helps, Takedown! |
05-28-2010, 08:50 AM | #13482 |
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See I never got Duke being older than Hawk. They seemed the same age. I was just happy when they changed Hawks hair to Brown so I could tell them apart. The fact that I'm not Blonde also made me slightly happy for some reason as well.
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05-28-2010, 12:45 PM | #13483 |
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Yeah I think Duke was intended to replace Hawk but Hama liked Hawk a lot better than Duke. In the early comics they're almost identical.
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05-28-2010, 12:47 PM | #13484 |
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Quote:
Takedown, a lot, but not all, of these questions are answered in Mark Bellomo's book.
-Doc was originally meant to be an enlisted Navy corpsman, but was changed to be an Army doctor, and therefore an officer. -Steeler was usually shown as tank commander, although the MOBAT was often only shown with him operating it. -Breaker is a corporal, the packaging calling him "officer" is probably just a mistake. -Hawk was a Col. until he gets promoted in #45. No idea about the flight training, it's never been explained. Similar to how LH mentions in issue 1 that Zap was a helicopter pilot, but there's no mention of it on his file card. -LH has said before that Stalker was supposed to be the "First Shirt". Duke was originally going to be a major, but LH said that it didn't make sense for an older Major to be commanded by a much younger Col. At one point, I think LH said he liked Stalker but not Duke, which makes sense when you look at how many times Duke screws up in the comics. Hope this helps, Takedown! |
05-28-2010, 01:00 PM | #13485 |
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I love Hawk as well. To me the early marvel stories are as much his story as SE. AS far as Stalker goes, I was just happy to see that in the IDW line he is the 1st Joe just like in the Marvel Days. We haven't seen much about the team leadership structure though. I will be happy if he is Duke's equal. Team Leader not Commander.
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05-28-2010, 01:18 PM | #13486 |
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Duke should have been a major, the cartoon would have made so much more sense.
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05-28-2010, 01:22 PM | #13487 |
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To me, there's no question that Duke basically "played the part" of an Officer in the Cartoon. I just don't think that's exactly how Hasbro intended him. They seemed pretty insistant that he was a First Sgt. I use him as the CSM for the entire Joe Team in my Joeverse. I just can't imagine Duke as anything other than a Senior NCO.
But that's also why I had to make ROC Duke a different Character, Stryker. There's a need for more Combat Officers in the Joes, especially at the rank of Major, LTC, or Colonel. I just can't see First Sgt. Conrad S. Hauser doing that job.
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05-28-2010, 05:18 PM | #13488 |
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I hear you Oliver. And you're right he was created to fill that role which next to the CO is probably the most important in any unit. But the cartoons always personalized him into something more for me. I love Duke. No matter the bad rap he's earned over the years, he's still one of the coolest mail-away toys I ever got. I think the binoculars and the American Flag on the shirt did it for me. He was just too important to be outranked.
That's why after years of adding custom officer characters there was Duke: totally outranked. I even had him as a Major General at one point. In the beginning it was easy since only Ace, Doc, Steeler, Cutter and Wild-Bill outranked him. All vehicle drivers and non-combatants. Sure there was Torpedo, but I didn't quite understand what a Warrant-Officer was. Then came Flint and I was totally confused. Sure E-6 is lower than E-8 but by then I was paying attention. and E-6 is not a Warrant Officer. Then comes Claymore. This is why Claymore is so important to me. I knew Keel-Haul outranked everybody, but no one but a lucky few could get a Keel-Haul for at least another 3 years! Claymore 0-3. OK (I'm still not paying attention to Torpedo, or have figured out Flint's misranking yet). I know not everyone has picked up the mission Brazil set, but I did, and clearly Claymore is XO at this point in 86? But wait the Cartoons have Hawk; Duke; Flint; Sgt Slaughter; Beachhead. (Not to mention E-7 Gung-Ho and Leatherneck?) 87 we get Falcon, and the Movie really cheeses it up with him being Duke's Little Bro. WTF? Duke is a Vietnam vet and old enough to be Falcon's daddy. Also the year we get Psyche-Out who gets combat leadership roles along with Falcon on the assualt of Cobra Island during the Civil war. Does Duke even participate in this battle? But I have a similar issue with the 0-4 and 0-5 in the Joe world. I look at them as the true team leaders with their various Squad Leaders and subordinate officers. I have 8 Colonels, 12 Lt Colonels and 16 Majors in my Joe-verse, but I add the R&D and SAD guys to that mix. But for example, my true Direct Action Majors: Claymore Duke Rapid-Fire Bullet-Proof Dutch (Predator) Dillon (Predator) Major Stone [Extreme] (Just not enough Marines) Major Buckingham (From Action Force) The other 8 are R&D 0-4 equivalents or Vehicle Drivers Major Storm Ghost-Rider Ace Doc GI-Jane
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05-28-2010, 05:29 PM | #13489 |
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See I gotta side with Oliver on this one. Duke epitomizes the ultimate First Sgt. Even though he didn't get much show time in the comics, his first file card is one of the best, and Hama must have thought he had some redeeming qualities to make him SF and have him refuse a commission. Duke just exemplifies the senior NCO (though he has potential to be an officer) and since I don't realistically envision half-bird Colonels or higher going on missions--ok, maybe a Major once in a while--Duke is a better choice for the role of a combat field leader. I like to think of Duke as a Robert Howard type of NCO (before Howard became an officer of course). Read on: Robert L. Howard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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05-28-2010, 06:34 PM | #13490 |
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Damn what a bad ass. Look at the picture at the bottom. He still looked like he could kick my ass at 67. his face just shows HARD.
See Comic/filecard Duke is the epitome of a 1st Sgt. But Cartoon Duke went and ruined that for me. As much of a Filecard purist as I am, I watched a boatload of cartoons. And like your example, Howard eventually became an Officer, so Why can't Duke? Sure he refused the commission the first time, but maybe the 2nd time he just couldn't. if Rapid Fire can do it why can't Duke?
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