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05-21-2010, 10:21 AM | #13431 |
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My collector-gene is having fits right now... BTW Oliver, you'll like what I show off over the weekend.
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05-21-2010, 10:33 AM | #13432 |
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lardman, I've slowly been working on a long story about the Joes time in Vietnam, and I want to tie it in closely with some of the canonical info about SE and Stalker's origins while also taking liberty to recreate some stuff, so here are some notes about what I've extrapolated from the comics.
Summary: Just before the infamous ambush, Tommy and Snake-Eyes had already re-upped for a second tour and Stalker had been with them for six months. All three were together on January 31, 1968 during the TET Offensive when the Baroness’s brother was killed (issue 94), but how long had Stalker served with them at this point? If Stalker had just arrived, then the ambush did not occur until six months later near the end of July. If they had already served six months together, then the ambush was just around the corner. Snake Eyes was wounded in the ambush and when he returned to the states—permanently or on leave, it is unclear—he was dressed in bandages. It seems likely that this return occurred soon after the ambush but it is not certain. His family was killed in a car accident on his trip home and his sister’s tombstone marks February 26 as the date of death, but the year is unclear (DDP Declassified issue 2?). However, we don't know if Hama colloborated info with the author of the DDP story, so maybe this isn't canonical. So did she die in 1968, after TET and after a February ambush, or could she have died the following February of 69? The normal length of infantry training (5 months) and a thirty-day leave indicates that Snake-Eyes enlisted in the Army at least six months prior to his Vietnam tour. If he had already served six months by January 31, 1968, then he enlisted sometime in January of 1967, which means he probably graduated high school in 1966, just before his 18th birthday (July 5). Since volunteers served three years of active duty and three years reserve, he could have left active duty around January 1970 at the earliest. But if he was drafted, then he could have left in January 1969 because draftees only had to serve two years active duty. However, would he have gone to Japan while still on reserve? After he went to Japan he trained with Tommy’s family for three years. When he returned to the US, he built a home in the High Sierras where he lived for three years before Stalker and Hawk recruited him for GI Joe. So when was GI Joe created? Was it in 1975 or 1976? Or perhaps 1979, around the time 1st SFOD-D was created. Wade Collins spent two years in the “hole” as a POW. POWs were released in February 1973, after the Paris Peace Accords were signed, during Operation Homecoming. So was he captured in 1971 or did he spend more years as a POW? If the ambush occurred in 1968, then he was a POW for at least five years. Possible scenarios: Stalker joins LRP in Aug 67, TET occurs Jan 68, in Feb 68 the ambush occurs and Snake goes home shortly after. Or Stalker joins in Jan 68 and the ambush occurs Jul 68 and Snake Eyes is wounded again early next year before going home in Feb 1969. The Joes would have trained for several months prior to the helicopter crash that scarred Snake-Eyes and left him mute. He spent the next six months in the hospital. GI Joe was operational in June 1982 (issue 1). I think these are some of my older notes and I may have revised these based on reconsiderations and further research. I'm trying to find what I have. |
05-21-2010, 11:58 AM | #13433 |
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Nice, I like the thinking, now I have to sit down and work through the timelines!
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05-21-2010, 12:02 PM | #13434 |
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I got the impression that the other LRRPS on the team were familiar with Stalker, but didn't trust Snake-Eyes. But Stalker vouches for SE because they had worked together before.
I have none of the comics with me so I can't be sure, but that is the impressions that I got. Awesome timeline though.
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05-21-2010, 12:18 PM | #13435 |
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I got the impression that the other LRRPS on the team were familiar with Stalker, but didn't trust Snake-Eyes. But Stalker vouches for SE because they had worked together before.
I have none of the comics with me so I can't be sure, but that is the impressions that I got. Awesome timeline though. At least with DDP and SE: Declassified involved it is that way. Stalker and Tommy vouch for SE, having worked with him before, and SE comes across as a jerk.
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05-21-2010, 01:47 PM | #13436 |
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I got the impression that the other LRRPS on the team were familiar with Stalker, but didn't trust Snake-Eyes. But Stalker vouches for SE because they had worked together before.
I have none of the comics with me so I can't be sure, but that is the impressions that I got. Awesome timeline though. Stalker vouches (partially) for SE because of the business in Saigon at the SOG HQ (i.e. issue #94) and then asks SS's opinion (positive) and Stalker then says that he's (SE) not the only one in the unit with attitude issues. He later gives SE an earful for his attitude. Other than the Tet Offensive meeting at the SOG HQ, it doesn't look like SE & Stalker have worked together before, and I'm guessing he only asks SS's opinion because he's more personable and gets on with the rest of the unit (rather than because he's worked with him before). Last edited by lardman; 05-21-2010 at 01:51 PM.. |
05-21-2010, 03:16 PM | #13437 |
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When I get a chance I'll show a more fleshed out outline for Stalker's and SE's time in Vietnam. I am making Stalker a Green Beret and SE will be in SOG, though I'm undecided as to whether Stalker will be apart of those covert operations. That may be where the two part ways. They will also spend a lot more time in Vietnam than what Hama suggests in the comics. SE will do multiple tours, as a LRP and as a Green Beret with SOG.
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05-21-2010, 08:44 PM | #13438 |
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I just saw it as a figure in need of paint ;) It was the fastest way to get the figure, and I'm working with a deadline - Marine_Deadpool's deployment. What are you showing off this weekend? Pics? Link? Hint?
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05-22-2010, 01:26 AM | #13439 |
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When I get a chance I'll show a more fleshed out outline for Stalker's and SE's time in Vietnam. I am making Stalker a Green Beret and SE will be in SOG, though I'm undecided as to whether Stalker will be apart of those covert operations. That may be where the two part ways. They will also spend a lot more time in Vietnam than what Hama suggests in the comics. SE will do multiple tours, as a LRP and as a Green Beret with SOG.
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05-22-2010, 11:46 AM | #13440 |
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According to Wikipedia, MAC-V-SOG consisted of personnel from SF, SEALS, Force Recon, USAF, and the CIA's Special Activities Division. So it's possible for SE to be a Green Beret in SOG.
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