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05-12-2010, 10:29 AM | #13261 |
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My point is that we know the Officers had to go to college. A Bachelor's degree is required for a commision. Therefore, there'a a lot of room for guessing where someone attended school and how they got their commision.
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05-12-2010, 10:38 AM | #13262 |
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I suspect that Falcon was OCS or ROTC. I just have a hard time seeing him as a West Pointer. Psyche Out was probably OCS, maybe he was recruited while at Berkley. For most of the enlisted Joes, I would agree that where they went to school is not as important, but it could be in some cases.
I'm going to say West Point. Though, I would really like to hear your thoughts as to why ROTC or OCS would be a better fit for him. But here's my argument: 1. He's the son of a Career Soldier. College is expensive, and the Academy is free. It's also recognized by most soldiers as "the best school in the country". The Army sees West Point as superior to Harvard in a lot of ways. 2. Hawk was the original officer/leader of the Joe team - West Point Alum. Grid-Iron, who came after Falcon, was the officer/leader of his year group of Joes - West Point Alum. Falcon was the officer/leader of his year group, and was supposed to be AWESOME. He's an officer with a bird of prey name (like Hawk); he's Special Forces (Like Duke and Flint); he wears a beret and carries a shotgun (like Flint); he led two sub-teams: Night Force, and Sonic Fighters. That's a pretty amazing record. The Cartoon made him out to be a loser, but the cartoon got a lot wrong. He didn't get much exposure in the comic, but when he did show up, he was always pretty hard core. In the Hasbro continuity, Falcon was AWESOME. Bottom line: There's a more than reasonable argument for Falcon having gone to West Point.
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05-12-2010, 10:42 AM | #13263 |
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Obviously there are a lot of very good Officers who came through ROTC and OCS (and ROTC includes VMI and The Citadel), but West Point Officers generally stand out. They usually have to play a little catch up socially, but they learn quickly. To begin with, to get into the Academy is increadibly difficult - only the best get in. So it wouldn't seem unreasonable to me for there to be a higher percentage of West Pointers in the Joe Team - the Joes are looking for the best, and West Point trains the best.
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05-12-2010, 10:45 AM | #13264 |
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If the evidence is there in some source, use it.
For the officers, unless there's something somewhere that says otherwise, where they went to school or how they got their commission (ROTC, West Point, VMI, battlefield, whatever), is entirely up to you. Like Claymore specifically says Dartmouth, so would need OCS or something else for him, could not just say "he went to UNH and ROTC" since it specifically lists him as going to Dartmouth. Falcon is pretty much a blank slate as far as that aspect. Also, Y'ALL ARE ALL WELCOME FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THE JOE OFFICER CORPS!!! ;) I can recall us doing that before, or if we have it's been a long time. I figure it will help. If anyone can think of any other additions, please let me know.
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05-12-2010, 11:20 AM | #13265 |
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For some reason I don't see Falcon being a West Point grad.
To me West Pointers are like Grid-Iron. Polished, regimented, etc.. I see Falcon being rough and tumble. A "snake-biter" as his card says.
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05-12-2010, 11:34 AM | #13266 |
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I agree with most of these points, but there's so much open to interpretation. You won't be able deduce one's education through stats or anything, so I think we should have the liberty to create backgrounds and fill in gaps with specific details as long as they are feasible and don't contradict anything known, unless it is a correction. For instance, Leatherneck couldn't have been a Tech Sgt in Vietnam because this rank no longer existed at that time. Also, you couldn't say someone went thru ROTC at a college that doesn't have it. All of this makes sense, but whether you think Falcon went to West Point or somewhere else is entirely up to you and how you perceive the character, because it really can't be proven one way or the other, and as long as it's possible, I don't think you need to explain your choices in the file card.
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05-12-2010, 11:47 AM | #13267 |
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I'm guessing someone is missing. Does anyone have the DDP list? They gave a lot of promotions. Then there is Barrel-Roll and Air-Raid who maybe, shouldn't, Not entirely, without reasonable doubt, could be officers.
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05-12-2010, 11:49 AM | #13268 |
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But we should decide on the time frame of the cards too. Are they going to reflect modern day? Or a specific time like 1982 when the Joes were formed? Or do we just leave that up to each individual person? In other words, you decide the year of that Joe's recruitment and his age and appropriate rank regarding training, etc.
I think we should allow an alternate reality for the creation or recreation of some Joes. So for example we know that our military doesn't allow women in certain combat roles like Rangers, but in an alternate reality I don't see why Scarlet couldn't be a Ranger or a sniper because history has shown us that women have been snipers and have fought as combatants, so this isn't an impossible stretch of the imagination. However, if you say that Scarlet is 24 and a fighter pilot/Green Beret/submarine commander, you'd be walking on thin ice. |
05-12-2010, 01:07 PM | #13269 |
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All of this makes sense, but whether you think Falcon went to West Point or somewhere else is entirely up to you and how you perceive the character, because it really can't be proven one way or the other, and as long as it's possible, I don't think you need to explain your choices in the file card.
I think we can attach a "why did what did" document along with the final card to help describe the choices made, etc... So what existing Joes should be eligible for the contest? And yeah, two cards: existing Joe reworked and new character.
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05-12-2010, 02:47 PM | #13270 |
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I agree with most of these points, but there's so much open to interpretation. You won't be able deduce one's education through stats or anything, so I think we should have the liberty to create backgrounds and fill in gaps with specific details as long as they are feasible and don't contradict anything known, unless it is a correction. For instance, Leatherneck couldn't have been a Tech Sgt in Vietnam because this rank no longer existed at that time. Also, you couldn't say someone went thru ROTC at a college that doesn't have it. All of this makes sense, but whether you think Falcon went to West Point or somewhere else is entirely up to you and how you perceive the character, because it really can't be proven one way or the other, and as long as it's possible, I don't think you need to explain your choices in the file card.
I'm not saying Falcon IS a West Point grad. I'm just saying that I see him as one, and it's plausible. However another person interprets him is up to them. The whole point I was making was this: There are gaps in the file cards, where there is NO information available to fill the gaps, and those gaps may need to be filled in this contest. Education/Commisioning for Officers seem like a reasonable gap to be filled. That's all I was saying.
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