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04-21-2010, 03:44 PM | #12861 |
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I'm hoping for some great ones for the rest of the set.
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04-22-2010, 12:41 AM | #12862 |
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Gentlemen, I'd like to talk about another file card/character: Pathfinder... although there is no official mention of Ranger Training, I think there is some circumstancial evidence in the file card.
First - The Ranger Creed... Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of the Rangers. Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster and fight harder than any other soldier. Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be, one-hundred-percent and then some. Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow. Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country. Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor. Rangers Lead The Way!
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04-22-2010, 12:48 AM | #12863 |
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From Pathfinder's v1 file card:
"Like his father, he doesn't know the meaning of the word surrender... he doesn't stop until the job has been sucessfully completed and all objectives have been accomplished." That sounds pretty similar to "I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be, one-hundred-percent and then some... Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor." Pretty similar themes.
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04-22-2010, 12:52 AM | #12864 |
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I don't know about any secrets lurking in the file card,but I like the info about there accomplishments and training stragedys.I would like to see a cobra commander file card from the cobra la describing where he came from meaning his origin besides the recent one thats been out.
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04-22-2010, 12:53 AM | #12865 |
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Given that his name is "Pathfinder" it would be pretty safe to assume that he has earned the Pathfinder badge... I mean, if there were a character named "Ranger", it would be ludicrous if he wasn't Ranger-qualified.
The Pathfinder badge is pretty tough to get - it's even tough to get a slot for it. The opportunity to go is pretty rare, and is mainly reserved for Airborne Infantry, Rangers, and Special Ops. Technically, one doesn't have to be Ranger-qualified to go to Pathfinder School, but for an elisted Infantryman, it would be practically impossible to go to Pathfinder School unless he was Ranger-qualified. Given that, it's a little like Recondo - it just makes the most sense from the evidence we do have. It's not explicit, but it's a pretty reasonable extrapolation.
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04-22-2010, 12:54 AM | #12866 |
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I don't know about any secrets lurking in the file card,but I like the info about there accomplishments and training stragedys.I would like to see a cobra commander file card from the cobra la describing where he came from meaning his origin besides the recent one thats been out.
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04-22-2010, 01:42 AM | #12867 |
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A few pages ago, the question was asked about GI JOE funding. When I started reading the comic, I started out sporadically, Issue 1,22,28,36 and at 52 I started to get them each month until issue 112. While reading them, I figured they had alot of funds even more than the cartoon series. I decided in honor of my first movie seen in a theater, Annie in 1982 for my eldest-younger sister's 7th b-day. The funding was from Mr. Oliver Warbucks, he set up an anti-kidnapping/anti-terrorist fund and had Ann Marie Warbucks, as the trustee after his passing. She would have been around 60 years old when the Joe team started.
Talk about advanced future-vehicle designs in the 1930's. His Auto-copter the X1W. Also, his security force Asp and Punjab, they would be able to kick anyone's behind. Watching movies with my youngest sister the past few weeks I realized, There was a Sergeant Slaughter was in "The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again". Also, an Inspector Abernathy In Washington DC at the HeadQuarters of SIC (Secret Intelligence Command) in "Dr Goldfoot & the Bikini Machine". Next trivia, Channing Tatum's character in "She's The Man" is also named DUKE, he wasn't on a secret mission 4 years ago, he was a Captain of a soccer team. Lastly, if you see "Dear John" do not look at his epaulets too long during one of the dinner scenes. It will disgust you! BTW, Im caught up purchasing the GI JOE Classic graphic novels, and started reading them. Cant wait for Special Missions.
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04-22-2010, 01:43 AM | #12868 |
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I always looked at Pathfinder as a Ranger. He was too similar to Muskrat, plus added he's a Staff Sgt. However, all units that are called "Pathfinder" are specifically not Ranger. Usually they seem to be almost an identical type of Company sized unit which serves the respective unit they are part of. belonging to either the 101st or the 82nd. They replaced the LRSD of both divisions.
The term Pathfinder which was famous in WWII referred to units that belonged to the 82nd and the 101st. The Rangers were a separate unit then, so I'm guessing they are a separate unit now. I wonder if these Airborne units decided they wanted their own "Ranger" type units and regardless of whatever they call it over the years, they kept up the tradition of a homegrown force apart from the Rangers and SOCOM Straight from wiki: There are three standing pathfinder companies in the Army today. The first is Company F (Pathfinder), 5th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment, 101st Aviation Brigade, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Kentucky. The second pathfinder company, also of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), was activated in 2005 from the now-disbanded Long Range Surveillance Detachment, 311th Military Intelligence Battalion. It was reorganized and reassigned as Company F (Pathfinder), 4th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment, 159th Aviation Brigade. The third pathfinder company is at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. As with the 159th's pathfinders, the 82nd's pathfinder company was constituted from the now-disbanded 82nd Airborne Division Long Range Surveillance Detachment, 313th MI Battalion. Its new designation became Co F (Pathfinder), 2nd Battalion, 82nd Aviation Regiment. The Army's force structure also includes a provisional pathfinder unit that is not documented on the parent unit's MTOE. This is the platoon-sized Company F, 2d Battalion, 10th Aviation Regiment, part of the Combat Aviation Brigade, 10th Mountain Division (Light Infantry) at Fort Drum, NY. Where does that leave GIJoe's Pathfinder? I don't know. I never paid much attention to it until this thread and until you just brought it up Oliver. You figure that the Army has quite a few of these "Pathfinder" or "LRSD" units. Probably one for every division. Not everyone gets to go Ranger. And Unit pride can be pretty high with many of the other Army units. So wouldn't these small company sized units be just as sought after by the Joes for recruits? You figure the tactics must be different, since the units are smaller. I don't know enough about how the 3 Pathfinder schools operate other than they come out of Ft Benning like all the other Spec Ops guys in the army.
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04-22-2010, 01:54 AM | #12869 |
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A few pages ago, the question was asked about GI JOE funding. When I started reading the comic, I started out sparaticly, Issue 1,22,28,36 and at 52 I started to get them each month until issue 112. While reading them, I figured they had alot of funds even more than the cartoon series. I decided in honor of my first movie seen in a theater, Annie in 1981 for my eldest-younger sister's 6th b-day. The funding was from Mr. Oliver Warbucks, he set up an anti-kidnapping/anti-terrorist fund and had Ann Marie Warbucks, as the trustee after his passing. She would have been around 60 years old when the Joe team started.
Talk about advanced future-vehicle designs in the 1930's. His Auto-copter the X1W. Also, his 1930's security force Asp and Punjab, they would be able to kick anyone's behind. Watching movies with my youngest sister the past few weeks I realized, There was a Sergeant Slaughter was in "The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again". Also, an Inspector Abernathy In Washington DC at the HeadQuarters of SIC (Secret Intelligence Command) in "Dr Goldfoot & the Bikini Machine". Next trivia, Channing Tatum's character in "She's The Man" is also named DUKE, he wasn't on a secret mission 4 years ago, he was a Captain of a soccer team. Lastly, if you see "Dear John" do not look at his epaulets too long during one of the dinner scene. It will disgust you! BTW, Im caught up purchasing the GI JOE Classic graphic novels, and started reading them. Cant wait for Special Missions. Did anyone ever read what some guy posted a year or so back about his theory of the Joes funding, particularly in regards to the 80s? He had it all worked out beautifully, but in a nutshell, many Military Industry companies get a certain amount of funding they have to use for research and it's in the $billions. They sometimes make prototypes they know will never make it into production, and only a few at that. The Joes end up with all these random vehicles. It's already paid for. As far as where the lube for the elevators comes from or the cleaning products I don't know. I wish I still had that post it was an excellent theory.
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04-22-2010, 02:25 AM | #12870 |
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Long Range Surveillance Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
OK to countermand what I said before, according to this all Non-commissioned officers in these LRSC have to be Ranger qualified. How does the LRSD differ from the LRSC? Don't know apparently the LRSD have been deactivated and replaced by the Pathfinder units in the 101st and the 82nd. Not sure if the LRSC are still active or not, but I guess they are. I'm with you Oliver. Pathfinder is 89% likely a Ranger. More fun reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Surveillance
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