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03-10-2010, 06:46 PM | #12081 |
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So Beach Head (who is a Ranger afaicr, or at least there on secondment from the NZSAS ;)) is wearing an airborne beret whether you go by the old or new colour scheme?
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03-10-2010, 06:57 PM | #12082 |
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That's correct. It would've been black if done correctly, but then you'd be wondering what it was; because, it would have blended in with his vest color.
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03-11-2010, 02:01 AM | #12083 |
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If a soldier is SF qualified, they are authorized to wear their green beret. What has to be changed is the flash on their beret. Every Airborne unit has it's own unique flash for their beret. A flash is the patch that goes on the beret that the rank (officers) or unit crest (enlisted) attaches to. Non-Airborne units use the Light Blue flash. So the Green Beret is the headgear of a soldier who has passed the Q-couse. And sometimes a soldier like that ends up in another unit... it's very rare, but it can happen. However, that soldier is authorized to wear their green beret in whatever unit they're serving, they simply have to keep their Flash in accordance with their current unit.
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03-11-2010, 02:04 AM | #12084 |
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Sorry, I'm English so am not overly au fait with US beret colours, but black is (was?) a general purpose special forces (in the UK sense of the word, so I suppose special operations forces for you guys) beret? Green is for the Green Berets (Special Forces, hmm, so confusing ;)) and what does Beach Head's red beret signify?
Green - U.S. Army Special Forces Khaki/Sand - 75th Ranger Regiment Maroon (NOT RED) - All Airborne Units: 82nd Airborne Division, 173rd Airborne Brigade, Special Ops (other than Rangers and SF). It should be noted that the 101st Airborne Division does not wear Maroon Berets because it is no longer an "Airborne" unit. Black - Everyone else in the Army
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03-11-2010, 02:07 AM | #12085 |
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I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but I'll try.
If a soldier is SF qualified, they are authorized to wear their green beret. What has to be changed is the flash on their beret. Every Airborne unit has it's own unique flash for their beret. A flash is the patch that goes on the beret that the rank (officers) or unit crest (enlisted) attaches to. Non-Airborne units use the Light Blue flash. So the Green Beret is the headgear of a soldier who has passed the Q-couse. And sometimes a soldier like that ends up in another unit... it's very rare, but it can happen. However, that soldier is authorized to wear their green beret in whatever unit they're serving, they simply have to keep their Flash in accordance with their current unit.
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03-11-2010, 02:09 AM | #12086 |
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Airborne berets are MAROON - NOT RED. At Ft. Bragg, an NCO will interrupt you and make an on the spot correction if you call their beret "red". My beret was maroon at 4th PsyOps.
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03-11-2010, 02:13 AM | #12087 |
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I sometimes get them mixed up with the Air Force, which uses both scarlet and maroon for CCT's and PJ's.
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03-11-2010, 02:15 AM | #12088 |
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However, with the 25th figures, Khaki/sand would have been the most appropriate, especially considering the big 75th patch they painted on his arm. The other possibility is that Beach-Head is a Ranger qualified soldier who is serving in the 82nd, or the 173rd. He would still be considered a Ranger. I just don't think that theory makes the most sense with the 75th patch on his arm. Although, that patch is completely made up... the real Ranger Regimental patch looks like a black scroll. So with the new Sideshow figure of Beach-Head, they should have gone with a khaki/sand beret... but as we've mentioned several times on this thread: Beach-Head's convention file card (Tiger Force) lists him as an 18B... so really, he should just have a green beret as well.
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03-11-2010, 02:21 AM | #12089 |
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What's interesting about the Green Berets is that Army Special Forces adopted the green beret as headgear after several of their early units went through commando training with the Royal Marines during WWII. Oddly enough, the "green beret" is only used as an Army head gear in the U.S. In militaries around the world, the "green beret" is worn by Marine Commandos.
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03-11-2010, 02:40 AM | #12090 |
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It might also be of note that Flint's beret flash has usually been depicted as solid red... which means 7th Special Forces Group, Ft. Bragg. Considering that Duke and Roadblock worked with Flint prior to joining the Joe Team, it's not unreasonable to conclude that they were in 7th Group as well.
7th Group's area of responsibility in the world is Central and South America... which means that Recondo, if he is Special Forces (and I know most of us think he is), then he would also be in 7th Special Forces Group. Falcon, in several pictures, has been depicted with the flash from the 5th Special Forces Group, Ft. Campbell. 5th Group works for Central Command, so they can go anywhere, but they specialize, as you can imagine, in the Middle East. As far as I can figure, it's difficult to figure out which Specific Special Forces Groups the other SF qualified Joes would belong to. Any other thoughts or observations? Zulu?
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