|02-27-2010, 07:12 PM||#11921|
Join Date: Oct 2008
I think it was 2 years ago that the 75th Ranger Regiment added its own Special Troops Battalion, though, which now takes care of the combat support and combat service support needs of the Regiment. Entry into the 75th Ranger Regiment's Special Troops Battalion doesn't require RIP or Ranger School, just airborne qualification. It's been something of a contentious issue in certain quarters, but I think it's just the old guard having problems with opening up the Regiment to non-RIP and non-Ranger School airborne soldiers. In terms of human resources management and economcis though, I think the STB is a good idea. I mean really, how useful is RIP (in terms of instilling technical skills in combat support/combat service support) to a clerk or a cook?
|02-27-2010, 07:37 PM||#11922|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Take my opinion for what it's worth, though, as I've served in neither the US Army or the Marines and the extent of my military training is Basic Citizen's Military Training with a community defense infantry group in the Philippines' National Capital Region.
|02-27-2010, 07:51 PM||#11923|
Join Date: Oct 2008
The GI Joe Extreme roster is as follows:
EDIT: All listed out like that, I'm actually a little horrified/embarrassed seeing the extent of GI Joe Extreme ephemera I know and have remembered all these years
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|02-27-2010, 07:51 PM||#11924|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: In a secret underground bunker.
EDIT: Nevermind. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Dr. Venture: Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?
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|02-27-2010, 07:52 PM||#11925|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Joe HQ
Let me change that to say, every soldier learns the basic of infantry. Not that every soldier earns the secondary MOS title of 11B or whatever the army calls it now.
|02-27-2010, 11:15 PM||#11926|
Join Date: Apr 2009
In my structure, the Stone character from Extreme is the XO of the Delta Sabre Squadron.
My Joes are divided into operationally into Sabre Squadrons like Delta / SAS.
Each Sabre Squadron is led by a Major and divided into troops Air / Amphibious / Ruck or Mobility and Mountain. Each Troop has 16 operators led by a Captain or Warrant Officer that can be broken down into 2 teams of 8 or 4 teams of 4 as needed. The Troop designation only refers to Insertion method. All Joes are basic Airborne qualified and it's expected that over their career they will rotate through several Troops and squadrons picking up additional skills.
Each Sabre Squadron has a small HQ element attached to a mobile HQ akin to an ODA B Team.
They can be crudely broken down into;
Alpha - Light Infantry
Bravo - Heavy Infantry
Charlie - Combined Arms
Delta - Infantry
Gamma - Recon, Infiltration and Intelligence Collection
General Rey and Col Courage (with a small HQ element) are in charge of the Sabre Squadrons and they are as follows;
Alpha "America's Elite"
-Air Troop (HALO/HAHO) "Sky Patrol" (Sky Dive)
-Amphibious (Combat Diving) "Barracudas" (Wet Down)
- Mobility (Light Infantry) "Battle Rangers" (Falcon)
- Mountain "Adventure Team" (Boulder)
Bravo "America's Heroes"
-Air (Accelerator Suit) "Battleforce 3000" (Speed Metal)
-Mobility (Combined Anti Armor) "Battle Corps" (Roadblock)
-Mountain (Heavy Weapons) "Front Line" (Rock n Roll)
- Amphibious (SDV Craft Insertion) "Combat Team" (Torpedo)
Charlie "America's Mettle"
-Air (Forward Observer Glider Insertion) "Air Commandoes" (Barrel Roll)
- Mobility (Mobile Infantry) "Rapid Deployment Force" (Rapid Fire)
-Mobility (Armored Cavalry) "Tank Corps" (Thunderwing)
-Mobility (Artillery Battery) "Firing Line" (Red Leg)
Delta "Real Americans"
-Air (Helicopter Insertion) "Valor" (Airborne)
- Mobility (Infantry) "Screaming Eagles" (Rock)
- Amphibious (Craft Insertion) "Resolute" (Devil Dog)
- Mountain "Extreme" (Quick Strike)
Gamma "Spirit of America"
aka Ghost Squadron (only one with Female operators and are the ISA equivalent to the others Delta)
Ghost Recon is made up of all the 'forgotten Joes'...taking discarded code and file names and fusing them to make new characters. For example, in the UK Footloose was called Long Slide in the comics and his name was Andrew Mackay instead of Andrew Meyer. Hershel Dalton the ROC Heavy Duty is here too under the name Arsenal..etc
Spooky Gunship Unit "Ghost Riders" (Spectre)
Core Collection Cell "Spy Troops" (Scarlett)
Special Recon "Ghost Recon" (Agent Delta)
Infiltration Troop "Ninja Force" (Storm Shadow)
The Sabre Squadrons have a worldwide Area of Operation.
Further to the Sabre Squadrons, the Joes have smaller units with dedicated Areas of Operation. Based internationally alongside their respective SF Commands, they are first responders based on their AO.
NORTHCOM - 2 Law Enforcement / DOD units that operate together and pass the Posse Comitatus Act by having operators working directly with Law Enforcement.
Anti Piracy and Drug Squadron "DEF" led by Cutter
Law Enforcement and HRT "COPS" led by Bullet Proof
SOUTHCOM - Tiger Force (led by Claymore)
PACCOM - Eagle Force (led by Captain Eagle)
EUCOM - Arctic Force (led by Tundra and Sub Zero)
CENTCOM - Desert Force (led by Major Storm)
AFRICOM - Night Force (led by Psyche Out)
This way, even the Desert and Arctic guys get to be used beyond their Environmental Specialties.
|02-27-2010, 11:16 PM||#11927|
Join Date: Apr 2009
oops double post
|02-27-2010, 11:47 PM||#11928|
Join Date: Oct 2007
He seems like he'd really be one of the coldest, most dangerous Cobras of all. I mean one hard-core, sick @#$% who's seen and committed countless atrocities and can kill you eight ways from Sunday and survive just about anything you throw at him.
In my mind he's like Class A+++ war criminal material and a tactical and strategic genius; not some silly hack of a poet with an eye patch, and that whiny rat voice of the cartoon.
|02-27-2010, 11:54 PM||#11929|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Cool organizational structure, btw, Tyroc.
|02-28-2010, 01:09 AM||#11930|
I Ride with Claymore!!!
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Alexandria, Virginia
The Marines are very tough, but a LOT of their training in nearly every Combat job except Infantry is Army Training: Marine Armor? Ft. Knox. Marine Artillery? Ft. Sill. Marine Airborne? Ft. Benning. It's the same training. The Marines have great looking uniforms, and their physical fitness test is arguably a little tougher (though 2/3 of the exersizes are different, so that's a little hard to say). However, the average U.S. Marine is a 19 year old, Lance Corporal... they do 4 years and get out. Those young guys should be able to do a lot physically. Generally speaking, the Marines who love the Corps the most are Former Marines. It's also just under 200,000 active and reserve Marines.
The Army is not a bunch of slouches. The U.S. Army is probably the best Army in the world. The only ones in the free world that really give it a run for it's money are the British and the Australian Armies. It doesn't quite have the same physical standards or the Marines, but if you look at the scope of the Armies mission, it's also doing a lot more, and a lot more technical tasks. Besides that, if you took the Top 200,000 soldiers, and went man to man with the Marines, I'm sure the Army would hold up just fine. The 82nd, the 173rd, and the 101st are some of the most professional conventional troops in the world. And the Ranger Regiment is probably the best light Infantry Unit in the world, with the possible exception of the British Paras. The Rangers are Head and Shoulders above the Marine Corps Infantry.
Basic Training: Every Soldier and Marine is trained in the Basics of Infantry Tactics. And those are perishable skills. So the Marine Clerk who gets through basic... after two years as a clerk, he's no better of an Infantryman than the Army clerk who went to Army Basic.
Marine Corps Basic is longer than the Army's, but the Marines are not just learning "soldier skills"; they also have to learn alot about the Navy, and that takes some time.
Their Infantry School is much shorter than the Army's.
It pretty much evens out.
A lot of it boils down to leadership. Generally speaking, clerks/cooks who might have to fight would be led by an NCO or an Officer - given that we're talking in hypotheticals about an emergency situation.
I can't say a lot about Marine NCO's or Officers. I've worked with very few, and the NCO's I've known have been very professional, but I've never worked with them in the field. The Officers have likewise been very likeable and curteous, but I've never worked with them in the field.
However, the training for Combat Officers, in my opinion, is hands down better in the Army. Let's compare the Academies - West Point Grads make up about 25% of the Officer Corps in the Army. I would imagine it's a similar percentage in the Marine Corps from Annapolis.
For producing combat Officers - West Point is Hands Down the superior program for leadership. They train officers to lead soldiers in the field. That's their whole program. Annapolis is training their students to deal with equipment and "manage" people. Marine Officers from an academy background have a lot of "catch up" work to do.
ROTC - it's pretty much the same story. Army ROTC programs are designed to train officers to lead soldiers in combat. Navy ROTC is about wearing a uniform, talking about "the Fleet", and marching around... there is NO combat training.
So I have to be honest, all things being equal among Marine and Army POGs, if they're being led by an Officer from their repective Branch, I'll take the group of soldiers any day over the Marines.
Mazinger is right: Every soldier is a rifleman. That's what being a "soldier" means.
Why aren't there more Joes from the Deep South?
And would it kill Hasbro to give us a Marine Corps Officer?
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