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02-17-2010, 01:26 AM | #11581 |
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No Bullhorn and Mirage? I don't consider either Marines, but Mace I do. I like Mace for exactly all the things you listed. Plus he seems bigger than most ARAH joes.
I wonder how the various Spec Ops units Intelligence operatives function. I mean there must be an Intelligence Officer/NCO at some level, but is that more at the Battalion level, or is that on the Platoon level? I felt like Mace was a replacement for Chuckles, since why not remake Chuckles. Big Brawler seemed like a replacement for Recondo. I feel like a guy like Recondo should have E-7 reflected on his filecard, but it appears they've pretty much just used the lowest ranks for all the remakes. Except Thunderblast/Thunder is now an E-6 Who are some of the other Intelligence guys? And should that include those listed as "Covert Operations?" Other Intel Agents: Agent Faces. Cover Girl was turned into an Intel Specialist. Scarlett and Lady Jaye. Claymore. Jinx. Helix, I guess. Sure Fire, Low-Light. Yeah, I tend to count the "Covert Operations" specialists, as well as the Counter Intelligence Specialists, Covert Operations Specialists, etc. Yeah, I'm leaving off Mirage and Bullhorn. They just don't say "Recon" to me. I'm also going to include Dart with Recoil.
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02-17-2010, 01:36 AM | #11582 |
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No Bullhorn and Mirage? I don't consider either Marines, but Mace I do. I like Mace for exactly all the things you listed. Plus he seems bigger than most ARAH joes.
I wonder how the various Spec Ops units Intelligence operatives function. I mean there must be an Intelligence Officer/NCO at some level, but is that more at the Battalion level, or is that on the Platoon level? I felt like Mace was a replacement for Chuckles, since why not remake Chuckles. Big Brawler seemed like a replacement for Recondo. I feel like a guy like Recondo should have E-7 reflected on his filecard, but it appears they've pretty much just used the lowest ranks for all the remakes. Except Thunderblast/Thunder is now an E-6 Who are some of the other Intelligence guys? And should that include those listed as "Covert Operations?"
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02-17-2010, 01:39 AM | #11583 |
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Yeah, I've heard that about the Marines. They're Intel guys work pretty closely with their Recon units. They sometimes train together.
Army SF Groups have Intel sections, but a lot of the time their just Airborne qualfied Intel soldiers who work at a desk. However, there are slots on the actual Teams for "Intelligence Sergeants" for Senior NCO's. I'm guessing Master Sgt. and above.
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02-17-2010, 01:58 AM | #11584 |
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Yeah that's what I was wondering. I thought SF had Intel Sgts.
So are you making Recoil and Dart into Marines? Dart is listed as a Ranger, and Recoil could be either Ranger or SF. Do you have a Ranger Platoon? Or Cavalry Scout Squadron. Is Cavalry Scout a Military Specialty? Like would 75th Rangers be listed as Cavalry Scouts? I mean which units have Cavalry Scouts? What about Muskrat and Pathfinder? Ambush, and Sidetrack?Sneak Peek? And then would you separate the Rangers and the Airborne Rangers? |
02-17-2010, 02:31 AM | #11585 |
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They do. By the time an 18X MOS soldier reaches E-7, he is eligible to take the Special Forces Intel Sergeants Course. SF doesn't have "entry-level" SF Intel sergeants, though, if that's what you're asking... all SF Intel sergeants have to be proven Weapons, Engineering, Communications, or Medical SF sergeants first and foremost. Quote:
The distinction between "Rangers" and "Airborne Rangers" is a remnant of World War II. My grandfather fought alongside the now-defunct 6th Ranger Battalion in Luzon, and it was a Ranger unit that wasn't officially authorized for airborne operations. It was around the start of the Korean War that airborne qualification officially became part and parcel of Ranger training. Last edited by zuludelta; 02-17-2010 at 02:48 AM.. |
02-17-2010, 02:59 AM | #11586 |
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Cavalry Scouts in a reconnaissance role are mostly assigned to dedicated Armor and Cavalry units. They serve on motorized (HMMWVs) or dismounted (on foot) reconnaissance/surveillance troops and/or platoons. I know there are a number of mixed infantry/cavalry scout units, just can't recall for sure which ones they are. I think the 525th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade's Long Range Surveillance Squadron is composed of a mix of MOS 11B and MOS 19D soldiers (more of the latter than the former, though). Last edited by zuludelta; 02-17-2010 at 03:16 AM.. |
02-17-2010, 04:01 AM | #11587 |
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A pretty recent change with the Marines (something like within the last 10 years or so) is that now, intelligence officers(!) are put in command of scout-sniper platoons, instead of how it used to be where infantry officers were in charge of scout-sniper platoons. I'm sure there's a good reason for the change... just a little strange on the surface of it (until one considers that intelligence officers in the Corps do get a lot of what would be classed as infantry training, relative to their Army intelligence counterparts).
They do. By the time an 18X MOS soldier reaches E-7, he is eligible to take the Special Forces Intel Sergeants Course. SF doesn't have "entry-level" SF Intel sergeants, though, if that's what you're asking... all SF Intel sergeants have to be proven Weapons, Engineering, Communications, or Medical SF sergeants first and foremost. These days, all Rangers (that is, members of the 75th Ranger Regiment) are technically "Airborne Rangers" (since Basic Airborne School is part of the training pre-reqs for Ranger School). But technically, you could have Ranger-qualified personnel (e.g., Ranger School graduates who aren't assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment) who aren't on jump status (i.e., they don't get "jump pay") if their parent unit is a non-airborne unit. They're still airborne-qualified, it's just that their unit isn't authorized to conduct airborne operations. The distinction between "Rangers" and "Airborne Rangers" is a remnant of World War II. My grandfather fought alongside the now-defunct 6th Ranger Battalion in Luzon, and it was a Ranger unit that wasn't officially authorized for airborne operations. It was around the start of the Korean War that airborne qualification officially became part and parcel of Ranger training. Quote:
Cavalry Scout is indeed a MOS. It's MOS 19D, if I remember correctly. It falls under the "Armor" branch, though (because Cavalry Scouts are also trained as operators/crewmen for the M2/M3 Bradley). I don't know if the 75th Ranger Regiment has any Cavalry Scouts attached to it these days... but traditionally, it's been a pure infantryman (MOS 11B) unit, with indirect fire infantrymen (MOS 11C) handling the mortars in the weapons companies.
Cavalry Scouts in a reconnaissance role are mostly assigned to dedicated Armor and Cavalry units. They serve on motorized (HMMWVs) or dismounted (on foot) reconnaissance/surveillance troops and/or platoons. I know there are a number of mixed infantry/cavalry scout units, just can't recall for sure which ones they are. I think the 525th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade's Long Range Surveillance Squadron is composed of a mix of MOS 11B and MOS 19D soldiers (more of the latter than the former, though). (Both Big Brawler and Recondo sort of fit the bill) You came through on the Cavalry Scouts as well. I figured you would know since you've repurposed the bulk of the Joe drivers as such. And they all seem a little cooler. Yeah I wonder what it's like to be part of the Ranger kitchen crew? I was mostly trying to find out if Oliver, since he now has a Marine team, if he would have a separate Ranger team. I seem to remember he has added a few Rangers to his ODA team. There are about 20-30 Joes listed as Ranger qualified/ Airborne Ranger/ or Ranger School on file cards. And then what about LRRPs? |
02-17-2010, 04:11 AM | #11588 |
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02-17-2010, 04:27 AM | #11589 |
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So Recondo and Big Brawler. Hmmm
Let's see: Colton; Falcon; Flint; Duke; Drop-Zone; Beachhead; Kamakura good possiblity: Recondo, Big Brawler, Outback Based on Action Force: Spirit LRRP status: Recoil, Stalker, Snake-Eyes? Spirit, Wild-Bill Based off filecard association and due to language and training: Claymore and Breaker |
02-17-2010, 04:53 AM | #11590 |
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A pretty recent change with the Marines (something like within the last 10 years or so) is that now, intelligence officers(!) are put in command of scout-sniper platoons, instead of how it used to be where infantry officers were in charge of scout-sniper platoons. I'm sure there's a good reason for the change... just a little strange on the surface of it (until one considers that intelligence officers in the Corps do get a lot of what would be classed as infantry training, relative to their Army intelligence counterparts).
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