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01-18-2010, 12:52 PM | #11091 |
Hog Driver
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I've always felt that Cobra should generate its money through the drug market and the privatization of foreign resources by supporting tyrannical leaders and their death squads. They go into poor countries with weak governments and they provide arms and soldiers or help empower violent dictators in return for ownership of that country's resources. Basically what global powers do today.
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01-18-2010, 02:11 PM | #11092 |
Hog Driver
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So I don't know why I didn't make this connection before. It's so obvious now that I consider it.
In previous discussions we've talked about why Stalker wasn't also described as Special Forces even though his figure wears a green beret. And I think someone even stated that his green beret wasn't originally supposed to be green. Afterall, the artwork for his file card shows that his uniform AND beret is "striped" green and yellow, which is very similar to the tiger stripes worn by LRRPs, though the color is not perfectly accurate. And when I came across some photos of tiger striped berets that LRRPs often wore around camp, it just dawned on me that his figure indeed should have been given a tiger-striped beret and not a solid green one, which was obviously just a "cost saver" since it's cheaper and easier to produce a figure without having to paint a camo pattern on his hat. And as a result of this "cost saver" Stalker's comic character continued to wear the solid green beret that his figure wore,and not the intended tigerstripes of a LRRP/Ranger, which was the inspiration for his character. Granted I've decided to give him Special Forces training anyway for the sake of my Joeverse and story but really couldn't decide whether Hama and/or the artists also intended Stalker to be Special Forces. I still think he should be and he will be in my story but I can't believe I didn't make this connection until now. [slaps forehead]. Now also there's been some beef about Flint's black beret. Some have pointed out that he should have a green beret because he's Special Forces qualified. But he's also Ranger-qualified, which entitles him to wear the Ranger's black beret, at least until after 2001 when it became tan. But wouldn't he wear the beret that reflects the capacity that he's currently serving in? It's like having mulitiple skill identifiers. If an individual is an airborne ranger (SQI = V) but is currently working as a drill instructor (SQI = X), then his MOS will reflect his current role, say 11B2X, not 11B2VX since he can only have one SQI listed. So unless he's serving in a Special Forces capacity, he wouldn't be required to wear the green beret, but the uniform that reflects his current role, and since his PMOS shows Infantry, it's not that of a helicopter pilot either. So perhaps he's serving as a Ranger, thus the black beret. Yeah this is pedantic and long-winded but I had to say it . |
01-18-2010, 03:45 PM | #11093 |
80's Civil Air Patrol Cdt
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Good reasoning tanksmasher. Im using Flint in my joe-verse as leader of 'Tiger Force-Delta Squad' and Chalk 2 XO. As for his Rotary Pilot skills Im using him as a civilian helo pilot so he co-pilots a blackhawk until I find more pilots. Tho that means after deployment of troops the Blackhawks have only 1 pilot.
To help with the pilot shortage, I finally found the Dragonhawk again, and with help of my best friend, decided to pick it up. This Wild Bill recieved movie Desert Ambush Duke's head for now and will be another helo pilot, since Im using the Wild Bill Comic 2 pack version for Wild Bill. The naming of helo-duke and the other one is difficult for now. The Air Force SandHawk pilot is the Tiger Rat's Wild Bill body with the head of the darker skinned lighter hair trooper. Those two, Wild Bill and Nightingale will be the pilots of the helo fleet: A Little Bird, 2 Blackhawks, the Sandhawk, Jayhawk, Dragonhawk and Rhino (helo). Civilian liscensed rotary wing pilots include Zap, Recondo, Flint, Matt Trakker and Quickstrike.
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01-18-2010, 05:11 PM | #11094 |
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Stalker and Flint both serve as SF guys in my revised Joeverse.
Flint, Stalker, Beachhead & Falcon are the SF team leaders (but the teams aren't SF, but spec ops) Duke, Hit & Run and couple others are the spec ops team leaders Claymore, Recondo & Outback are the SF independents, doing their own things deep in enemy territory Although Claymore is OiC of the Rock
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01-18-2010, 06:18 PM | #11095 |
EQ-Viper
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Quote:
In previous discussions we've talked about why Stalker wasn't also described as Special Forces even though his figure wears a green beret. And I think someone even stated that his green beret wasn't originally supposed to be green. Afterall, the artwork for his file card shows that his uniform AND beret is "striped" green and yellow, which is very similar to the tiger stripes worn by LRRPs, though the color is not perfectly accurate. And when I came across some photos of tiger striped berets that LRRPs often wore around camp, it just dawned on me that his figure indeed should have been given a tiger-striped beret and not a solid green one, which was obviously just a "cost saver" since it's cheaper and easier to produce a figure without having to paint a camo pattern on his hat.
So yeah, there was a somewhat brief stretch of time during the Vietnam War when Rangers (not to mention SEALs) were authorised to wear green tigerstripe berets and tigerstripe BDUs. It didn't last long, though, but for people looking to reconcile Stalker's wardrobe with his training, I think it's sufficient reason. Quote:
So unless [Flint]'s serving in a Special Forces capacity, he wouldn't be required to wear the green beret, but the uniform that reflects his current role, and since his PMOS shows Infantry, it's not that of a helicopter pilot either. So perhaps he's serving as a Ranger, thus the black beret.
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01-18-2010, 06:20 PM | #11096 |
Crimson Guard
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All the Joes are SF operators/qualified in one way or another in my 'verse. All the infantry guys would at least be Ranger qualified if they're army.
I've tried to make a few Civil Affairs and PSYOPs as well |
01-18-2010, 07:12 PM | #11097 |
#voteblackjack
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All my guys are at least Ranger or Ranger qualified. I just divide 'em between Conventional Operations and Special Operations.
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01-18-2010, 08:55 PM | #11098 |
Ne Plus Ulta
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I'm currently on page 280 of this thread, but I had question concerning the origin of the code names both in the real world an continuity wise.
Some of the code names are no brainers. For example an infantry trooper code named Grunt, a red head named Scarlett, or a bazooka trooper named Zap. On some of the characters I'm guessing that Hama had some of the back story figured out before the code name. My guess is that maybe this might of happened with Ace, Snowjob, and Short Fuze. Some code names are complete mysteries to me, like Hawk's, Grand Slam's, Flint's and Duke's. I'm guessing that Duke's code name maybe in homage to John Wayne. Roadblock's is due to his size, but Flint would the story behind his code name or did it just sound cool to have a character named Flint? |
01-18-2010, 09:35 PM | #11099 |
I.O. SpecOps
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I'm currently on page 280 of this thread, but I had question concerning the origin of the code names both in the real world an continuity wise.
Some of the code names are no brainers. For example an infantry trooper code named Grunt, a red head named Scarlett, or a bazooka trooper named Zap. On some of the characters I'm guessing that Hama had some of the back story figured out before the code name. My guess is that maybe this might of happened with Ace, Snowjob, and Short Fuze. Some code names are complete mysteries to me, like Hawk's, Grand Slam's, Flint's and Duke's. I'm guessing that Duke's code name maybe in homage to John Wayne. Roadblock's is due to his size, but Flint would the story behind his code name or did it just sound cool to have a character named Flint?
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01-18-2010, 09:36 PM | #11100 |
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I'm currently on page 280 of this thread, but I had question concerning the origin of the code names both in the real world an continuity wise.
Some of the code names are no brainers. For example an infantry trooper code named Grunt, a red head named Scarlett, or a bazooka trooper named Zap. On some of the characters I'm guessing that Hama had some of the back story figured out before the code name. My guess is that maybe this might of happened with Ace, Snowjob, and Short Fuze. Some code names are complete mysteries to me, like Hawk's, Grand Slam's, Flint's and Duke's. I'm guessing that Duke's code name maybe in homage to John Wayne. Roadblock's is due to his size, but Flint would the story behind his code name or did it just sound cool to have a character named Flint? Short Fuze due to his temper and Artillery expertise. Hawk was so named because the MMS system the original figure came with was a representation of the Hawk missile system Flint I guess to denote the character was both hard as stone and being a SF Warrant used to dealing with Indigenous 'natives' Duke because he's supposed to be the all american and who exemplified that more than John Wayne? as you noted. Grand Slam...yeah that's a mystery |
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