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09-13-2009, 09:53 PM | #1 |
Cobra Viper
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Not to sure if i really want to write this, it was intended to be the rival of Cobra Axis Power, kinda of like how WcW bacame WWE 's rival, story takes place some 60 years before transformers and gi joe the rise of cobra. an axis unit, which is the original cobra, is tasked with prenetrating and destroying sector 7, again, due to tons of complications, not sure if this would work out, even as a fanfic
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09-13-2009, 10:05 PM | #2 |
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Interesting. Did you read the DreamWave Transformers and GI Joe mini series drawn by Jae Lee? Very similar to a WWII era battle between Joe/Cobra and Autobots/Deceptacons. The artwork was amazing, and the story was pretty good as well.
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09-14-2009, 06:16 AM | #3 |
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well yeah, i actually love that one
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09-14-2009, 03:55 PM | #4 |
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Sounds like a neat "alternative history" take on Cobra. I don't see Cobra as originating from fascist or Nazi origins, though. Cobra's enduring message (at least in the original Larry Hama comics) is that government should not have any say in regulating people's business activities (remember, Cobra started out as a pyramid scheme/"ponzi" investment scheme), while the fascists and the Nazis were all about central government having a controlling stake in everyone and everything.
If anything, I think Cobra Commander would have more in common with the minds behind 1933's Business Plot/White House Putsch, a bunch of amoral entrepreneurs and government executives who allegedly tried to recruit WWI veterans to help them overthrow FDR so that they could establish a puppet government that would serve the interests of Chase Bank, General Motors, Goodyear, Standard Oil, and the DuPont group of companies. |
09-14-2009, 06:13 PM | #5 |
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Cobra was actually thinly veiled Communism!
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09-14-2009, 06:35 PM | #6 |
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Not really. If anything, Cobra (as portrayed in the original marvel comics) was the polar opposite of communism. Cobra was all about profiteering with no concern for ethics or need.
Communism can be summed up as "From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needs (Karl Marx, as published in The Critique of the Gotha Program)." Cobra's philosophy, on the other hand is thus: "War is an extension of politics and politics is an extension of economics. If the government says that an honest man can't work as much as he wants to and earn as much as he wants to - it's wrong. And we have the right to fight back if we want to (as taken from Cobra Commander's speech in GI Joe #38)." Cobra is all about making as much money and accumulating as much material wealth as one wants to. Communism, on the other hand, is about the abolition of private property ownership. They couldn't be further apart in terms of goals. Cobra is neither communist nor fascist. It's a movement predicated on appealing to people's innate greed and desire for material wealth with no concern for the welfare of others. In terms of political and philosophical movements, its closest real-world analogue of fairly recent vintage would probably be Ayn Rand's Objectivism (which states that the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest). Last edited by zuludelta; 09-14-2009 at 06:47 PM.. |
09-14-2009, 06:54 PM | #7 |
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All very interesting. I get what zuludelta is saying in regards to Cobra splintering from the Nazis, how the two groups ideals were extremely different (yet their taste in uniforms remain strangely similar). I think the IRON Army from the short-lived Sgt. Savage storyline was steeped in Nazi history; General Blitz was originally a member of Savage's team who betrayed them, and carried out genetic experiments in the search of making a super-soldier. Savage was cryogenically frozen and he and his team were assumed dead until recovered by the Joes. General Blitz was publically known in our modern (mid-90's) timeframe as a groundbreaking scientist who owned IRON Industries, and was shown in the cartoon talking to Cobra Commander, telling CC that he helped him build Cobra, but that he wouldn't help Cobra anymore, essentially cutting CC and his organization free. So, if you follow that storyline, Cobra was at least funded by a splinter group of the Nazi party.
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09-14-2009, 07:17 PM | #8 |
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A side-effect of the way the original Cobra uniforms were designed is that people end up associating Cobra with either the Fascists or the Nazis, when ideologically, they have very little in common. Fascism and Nazism stand for strong centralized government having control over every aspect of a population's collective life, whilst Cobra stands for pure capitalism unregulated by government and unrestrained by moral and ethical principles. I understand that an easy way to make Cobra look "villain-y" is to make them look like Axis stormtroopers out of World War II, but it sort of biases viewers into thinking that they're something they're not (in terms of political alignment).
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09-14-2009, 07:27 PM | #9 |
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But with that.. Cobra may have said he wanted to fight for the common man to give him the ultimate Capitalist state but in all that I have understood of the CC philosophy he wanted to Own the world. So that would be some form of Fascism in that wanted control over every aspect of business and control of all natural resources and monetary markets.
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09-14-2009, 07:39 PM | #10 |
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I suppose it was a tad limiting for me to say that Cobra stands for capitalism untempered by ethics. More than anything, Cobra stands for the acquisition of one's wants and desires, even if it comes at the cost of others' welfare. That type of behaviour is most assuredly not limited to a capitalist setting. Greed isn't the sole province of a handful of political, economic, and social systems. Certainly, a lust for power infested the fascist, Nazi, and Communist movements in Europe of the mid-20th century as much as an inhuman appetite for material wealth drove the people behind 1933's Business Plot/White House Putsch.
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