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09-07-2011, 12:39 PM | #1971 |
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No, I use them as an "experimental" unit of sorts. I figure they were a predecessor to JSOC, in that you have all these different assets in one unit. That way, any given mission can be handled by whoever happens to be available, with the addition of mission specialists as needed, and they don't have to wait for things like air support when they need it.
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09-07-2011, 01:13 PM | #1972 |
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I guess I never thought of them as an Army only unit ever, but Zulu your RDF clinic you started, has me putting round pegs into round holes. It fits for me in a sense. It enables there to be cross-service cooperation, with an air-Wing attached and some Armor. I still have the Joe force as more of a 2000 man unit, but I also like the DIA/SOG concept as part of that force. Intelligence gathering has got to be a huge part of what they do.
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09-07-2011, 01:24 PM | #1973 |
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I agree that the Joes were probably first envisioned as a fictionalized version of Delta. It was an All Army unit for a while, and even with the addition of Gung-Ho and Torpedo, it probably still felt like they were "on loan" to the Army for special assignment to G.I. Joe.
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09-07-2011, 01:30 PM | #1974 |
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For a while in the comics, offensive counterintelligence and intelligence support operations requiring special operations capabilities seemed to be the focus of the team. I think this was really where Hama wanted to go with the property, but given that he had to feature so many new toys and vehicles (stuff like tanks and self-propelled artillery and fighter aircraft), he had to regularly write large, set-piece "traditional" battles to showcase those. So you had this almost schizophrenic character to the Joe stories: one one hand, there were all these covert action style stories (my favourite ones), on the other, you had tank battles and dogfights in the air and large-scale amphibious assaults.
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09-07-2011, 10:26 PM | #1975 |
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Your absolutely Right Zulu. Still I love my toys just the same so I have to find more or less fictional ways to include them.
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09-08-2011, 02:20 PM | #1976 |
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Oh, I'm not saying one way or the other is better, it's just that I prefer the one approach in terms of the project. You know Hama was doing his own version of "playing" with the new toys every time he did a dogfight-centric story showcasing the newest fighter jet (in an interview from several years ago, I remember Hama mentioning that he's big into doing scale models of military aircraft).
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09-08-2011, 03:21 PM | #1977 |
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I know. I love the work you do an it's always an inspiration for me. I just take the pieces that fit. Yet I always feel like the true nature of what you are working on is what I have always wanted to see all along. And those of us who spend time thinking about our personal Joeverses run into the same problems with Armor and Air and NAval Vessels that you are just better at looking at more objectively. I'm just too tied to my Toys to push those parts aside. Shit Air Liason Officer is one of the best things you ever came up with in my opinion. (Aside from the badass photo composites of course.)
But it's like the difference between Joe Canon and my Joe-verse. Duke is a Major in my verse, but I always know he is the First Shirt officially. And those two types of military men would be totally different personalities. But I still hold Joe canon above my own verse. But being someone who has been buying Joes from the get-go I have to stay true to origins, yet as an adult I see the flaws.
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09-08-2011, 03:42 PM | #1978 |
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Apropos of nothing, here's a listing of some of the fictional people, organizations, and locations Hama used in the comics and the real-world entities that I'm pretty sure they were intended to mirror:
You could probably do a dissertation on the politics of the GI Joe comics if you wanted to ha ha Last edited by zuludelta; 09-08-2011 at 03:48 PM.. |
09-08-2011, 05:51 PM | #1979 |
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Apropos of nothing, here's a listing of some of the fictional people, organizations, and locations Hama used in the comics and the real-world entities that I'm pretty sure they were intended to mirror:
You could probably do a dissertation on the politics of the GI Joe comics if you wanted to ha ha Larry Hama was a goddamned great comic book writer/editor, and was "the man" for a good slice of the 1980's there, driving big bucks for the Marvel machine. He made this shit sing and because of that, it propelled the audience. This gets forgotten by dint of the fact that it was "based" on a toy (or the other way around.) Your summary affirms his awesome. Thanks for collecting this. |
09-08-2011, 07:13 PM | #1980 |
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Larry Hama was a goddamned great comic book writer/editor, and was "the man" for a good slice of the 1980's there, driving big bucks for the Marvel machine. He made this shit sing and because of that, it propelled the audience. This gets forgotten by dint of the fact that it was "based" on a toy (or the other way around.)
I think his legacy suffers a bit from what I call Phil Jackson Syndrome.* For a period during the mid-1980s, Hama's GI Joe was the best-selling comic book in North America, way ahead of Marvel's Uncanny X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man and DC's Detective Comics and Batman. A lot of the people in the industry at the time pooh-poohed Hama's work, insisting that GI Joe would have been a bestseller anyway regardless of who was writing it, because of the toy tie-in angle. Maybe the books did get a huge commercial push from kids buying anything that had GI Joe plastered on it, but the fact remains that no other writer on a licensed comic book has ever been able to replicate those numbers. When Hama moved on to Wolverine, it was the same thing. There was sentiment among readers and some industry professionals that the book would have become a top 5 title regardless of who was on scribe duty. * - Phil Jackson holds the record for the most NBA championships won by a coach, but a lot of people sort of minimize his impact on the league, because he had the luxury of coaching two of the best shooting guards of all time (Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant), the ultimate Swiss Army knife small forward (Scottie Pippen), one of the most dominant big men of all time (Shaquille O'Neal), a Hall-of-Fame defense and rebounding ace (Dennis Rodman), and All-Stars galore. |
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