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09-23-2009, 02:54 PM | #361 |
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Was debating how to use the Screaming Eagles for a bit. As you may (or may not) know, "Screaming Eagles" is a nickname for the 101st Airborne Division, so I was wondering if I should make them a distinct Army Air Assault squad. But doing so would wreak havoc with all the structure I had in place prior to their inclusion, so I instead re-worked their specialties and service branches as I saw fit. Might go back and make them more Air Assault-ish, at least in terms of their filecard info. |
09-23-2009, 05:25 PM | #362 |
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What about Sky Patrol? I know you had at one time a covering team that was more Airborne under Ripcord and Skydive was there as well. Maybe you need a full platoon? Or more Helicopter crew guys?
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09-24-2009, 01:30 PM | #363 |
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I know I said I was going to post the updated roster for GI Joe yesterday, but been busy. Will try to post it by today.
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09-24-2009, 02:46 PM | #364 |
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One reason I'm having a devil of a time organizing the roster into a perfectly plausible organization is because of the status of current military doctrine. When I started out organizing the Joes into a unit that would fit into the real world (around 2 years ago), I was partially basing the organizational structure on late 1990s/early 2000s Army staffing doctrine.
But things have changed so much now that the way I've organized them looks out of step with current military thinking. For example, it used to be that in an infantry battalion, the officers in logistics leadership roles would be infantry officers themselves, wearing their hats as administrators and logisticians, so to speak. In these days of the BCT though, the battalion-level logistics leaders are actual logistics officers (non-combat arms). I've tried arbitrarily assigning features of the Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU)/Army Brigade Combat Team (BCT) (but scaled down to company level) to my concept of the Joe team, but it doesn't "hang together" very well, at least not to me. Based on the filecards I've written, I can definitely see a point in time where my thinking transitioned from old to new doctrine and now those discordant features just stick out to me, like a hairy mole on the cheek of an otherwise cute girl. Last edited by zuludelta; 09-24-2009 at 02:54 PM.. |
09-24-2009, 02:51 PM | #365 |
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So what exactly is the issue? If you lined it up properly to the current way of thinking that the team wouldn't resemble the Joe team as we know it or would not include significant parts of the team? Is a bit of structural irregularity necessarily a bad thing? The Joes are supposed to be unique among the military, so going a bit off course might actually be better than being completely beholden to the exact same mindset that other units operate under (provided you attach a logical explanation for the organizational deviation in the introductory notes, I'm sure you could make it work).
EDIT: You edited the above post and expanded on what you meant, so now this post looks crazy. Last edited by Master Thespian; 09-24-2009 at 03:03 PM.. |
09-24-2009, 03:05 PM | #366 |
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EDIT: Looks like I'm not the only person worrying about these types of things : Quote:
Is a bit of structural irregularity necessarily a bad thing? The Joes are supposed to be unique among the military, so going a bit off course might actually be better than being completely beholden to the exact same mindset that other units operate under (provided you attach a logical explanation for the organizational deviation in the introductory notes, I'm sure you could make it work).
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09-24-2009, 03:34 PM | #367 |
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I guess I just have to draw the line somewhere (no matter how arbitrary it looks to the obsessive-compulsive part of me) and say that this is where I stop making organizational changes and save any changes for future iterations of the document. Otherwise, I'll never finish.
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09-24-2009, 03:41 PM | #368 |
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It's funny that you should mention that. The way you did the cards, the original Joes were done first and tend to hold higher positions and have more experience. The additions (X-Treme, Screaming Eagles, New Sculpt) fill slots here and there. So it could stand to reason with a few exceptions that the original ARAH Joes came aboard under the old thinking, and the newer Joes under the current model. It's kind of poetic, actually.
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09-24-2009, 03:50 PM | #369 |
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Heh. Didn't notice that. Anyway, I'm torpedoing all the half-assed concessions I tried to make for current Army structure and going back to the lighter and sleeker (and in my mind, better) structure I started out with. I think that's also part of the reason why the roster I'm using ballooned the way it did in recent months.
You're right... past a certain point, the Joe team should have its own structural identity distinct from current existing light infantry battalion sized units. |
09-24-2009, 03:53 PM | #370 |
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Heh. Didn't notice that. Anyway, I'm torpedoing all the half-assed concessions I tried to make for current Army structure and going back to the lighter and sleeker (and in my mind, better) structure I started out with. I think that's also part of the reason why the roster I'm using ballooned the way it did in recent months.
You're right... past a certain point, the Joe team should have its own structural identity distinct from current existing light infantry battalion sized units. Will you be cutting a lot of characters? I'm down either way, but I have really found the non-ARAH reinterpretations more interesting than I'd have imagined. Last edited by Master Thespian; 09-24-2009 at 04:04 PM.. |
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