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01-27-2012, 03:27 PM | #2051 |
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Yeah, that's what I was going for when I did the whole RDF angle, with the idea that the Joes were a special operations-capable quick reaction force within the RDF, with its personnel drawn from both conventional military units and special operations units across all four services. Of course, even though the RDF was a "joint command," it didn't really have organizational provisions for standing joint service units (as I'd mentioned here, it's just not established doctrine in the US military for a number of reasons), so you'd still go back to the joint task force organizational concept for GI Joe, unless you fancy trying to explain the logistics of a permanent mixed service organization (and that way leads to madness).
One of the drawbacks of crafting a plausibly realistic organizational basis for something like GI Joe is that unless you really enjoy digging through historical order of battle information and that type of stuff, it can easily become overwhelming. You have to draw a line somewhere and just say, you know, this thing doesn't make sense from a "realistic staffing" standpoint, but screw it. I mean, I spent four months working with the US Border Patrol in 1998. Well, not actually WITH them. I was in an engineer batallion, and we were improving the 'roads' the BP's used in south Texas. So in any given situation, it seems that certain branches the military can mix it up with other branches or governmental organizations. Or even other countries, for that matter. All you need is creative reason for a thing to exist.
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01-28-2012, 03:21 AM | #2052 |
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Just a little something to justify this thread continuing to be in the 'tank's Fan Art forum ha ha:
It's probably been at least a year and a half since I actually sat down with a pencil to draw something on paper (as opposed to putting stylus to tablet or "drawing" with a mouse) so the sketch is a bit meh, but I've been inspired by the recent spate of people putting up their hand-drawn Joe art in this forum. Anyway, this is my take on an "Ultimate Marvel Universe" version of Fury Force's Sgt. Fury (a.k.a. Nick Fury, Jr.). As you guys probably know, in the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Nick Fury is a black Army officer (a general actually, and not a colonel) and he was modeled by Ultimates artist Bryan Hitch on actor Samuel L. Jackson. So I figure, if Marvel ever decided to use Larry Hama's Fury Force concept in their Ultimate comics setting, Sgt. Fury would likely bear more than a passing resemblance to a younger Sam L. |
01-28-2012, 03:44 AM | #2053 |
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Wow, never realized you had such talent with a pencil. Very nice.
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01-28-2012, 04:09 AM | #2054 |
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Thanks. I consider myself more of a "doodler" than a "real" sketch artist, though... I can't remember the last time I drew something for myself that was bigger than a thumbnail, probably because I've honed my pencil skills on the margins of my grade school and high school notebooks
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01-28-2012, 01:05 PM | #2055 |
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Thanks. I consider myself more of a "doodler" than a "real" sketch artist, though... I can't remember the last time I drew something for myself that was bigger than a thumbnail, probably because I've honed my pencil skills on the margins of my grade school and high school notebooks
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01-31-2012, 03:56 PM | #2056 |
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I kind of played with the idea that Colton was involved with the creation of Delta Force, but there was disagreement about how to run and train the unit, so he left to create GI Joe, to meet his standards, but it had its own setbacks. I saw Delta and GI Joe competing against each and jostling for position as the superior special ops unit. But then the Joe's mission evolved into something entirely different--a heavier organization with it's own armor and artillery. |
01-31-2012, 04:11 PM | #2057 |
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So the way I see it, there are a couple of possibilities as to how the Joes could exist in the real world. One is the RDF concept we've talked about, where the Joes don't necessarily fight terrorism, per se, but act more like the US military's first responders. I'm remembering something I heard years back during the lead in to the 1st Gulf War when someone was talking about one of the Airborne Divisions and how they would've been little more than a speed bump had Iraqi forces rolled into Saudi Arabia. Now, obviously that's not what we want to have happen, but the point is that the Joes are tasked with being able to respond quickly to threats anywhere in the world. The other thing that I've been thinking of is how we've talked about how it makes no sense for the Joes to co-exist with Delta et al. So, what if Delta, DEVGRU, and the 160th SOAR(A) are really the Joe team, and all those other names are just "covers" for the real thing? Just food for thought...
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01-31-2012, 08:03 PM | #2058 |
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... I see the Joes as a heavier, more conventional version of the Sp Ops Com. In otherwise, they're lighter on Special Ops units: they don't have so many SF Groups and NSWG; instead they have a JOF that combines a SF battalion, a Ranger battalion, an MSOB, a SEAL team, an STS, an SBT and so on, but they also have Air Expeditionary Wings, various Brigade Combat Teams, a Carrier Strike Group and an Expeditionary Strike Group...
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02-01-2012, 12:13 AM | #2059 |
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That's sort of the concept I've been developing. But I see the Joes as a heavier, more conventional version of the Sp Ops Com. In otherwise, they're lighter on Special Ops units: they don't have so many SF Groups and NSWG; instead they have a JOF that combines a SF battalion, a Ranger battalion, an MSOB, a SEAL team, an STS, an SBT and so on, but they also have Air Expeditionary Wings, various Brigade Combat Teams, a Carrier Strike Group and an Expeditionary Strike Group so that they can fully support large battlefield operations against a more conventional military like Cobra, which employs armor and attack aircraft and such.
I like the concept that it comprises a SF Battalion, MSOB, SEAL team, an STS an SBT and a Ranger Battalion as it's core. I could imagine every branch would be willing to put their balls on the table in the form of their best unit.
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02-01-2012, 02:54 AM | #2060 |
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Well, there's a disturbing mental image
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