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07-18-2011, 12:32 PM | #1891 |
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So what happens when you add the next few years? If you have them on 3 year assignments, then you will have a little more cross-over not to mention more drivers. Year 2 (1983) just added additional roles that sort of completed the team; Ace, Doc, Wild-Bill, Torpedo. There wasn't anyone I would say replaced the 1st year guys.
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07-18-2011, 02:20 PM | #1892 |
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Yeah then you can almost just expand the roster. Years 1 & 2 gives you 22 team members. But adds Wild Bill and Ace. Add Year 3 now you're at 32-33? Year Four adds another 15-16 so that gets close to 50. Although if Year one guys get replaced then it's back to 35ish + one is Keel-Haul so does he become Commanding officer?
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07-18-2011, 02:58 PM | #1893 |
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I'm curious as to the program and process you use to create your composite designs. I came across this thread a bit late, but have gone back and revisited most of it a while back, and I can't recall if you ever discussed this. I'm interested in finding a decent photo-shop-ish program (one that I could get for free or a reasonable price, preferably) to detail some of my own designs that I'd like to translate into customs, and to use in the story process of my own creations.
As for a cheap or free alternative to a "full" Photoshop, I suggest using GIMP. It's a free, open-source program whose newest version is touted to be able to do just about everything the older Photoshop programs can do. I actually tried to switch to GIMP several years ago (I like to support open-source initiatives whenever I can), but having used Photoshop for so long, I just couldn't adjust to its vastly different interface. I've read on many forums that for people who've never done any digital compositing or A/V work before, though, picking up GIMP is relatively straightforward. But whatever you do, avoid the Photoshop Elements programs if you intend to do anything more than red-eye reduction or using basic colour balancing. My Intuos tablet came bundled with Photoshop Elements 8 and it's basically a glorified version of MS Paint. It's tempting, because it has the Adobe and Photoshop brand behind it, but even at $79-$150, which is what the latest version (it's up to version 9 now, I think) costs, it's way too expensive an application considering the free and much more powerful alternatives (like GIMP) that are out there. Quote:
So what happens when you add the next few years? If you have them on 3 year assignments, then you will have a little more cross-over not to mention more drivers. Year 2 (1983) just added additional roles that sort of completed the team; Ace, Doc, Wild-Bill, Torpedo. There wasn't anyone I would say replaced the 1st year guys.
It was 1986 that seemed like the first full replacement year to me. Last edited by zuludelta; 07-18-2011 at 03:00 PM.. |
07-18-2011, 03:33 PM | #1894 |
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Not closed to the idea of moving up the "next" team to 1986, of course (or any other suggestions for that matter). At this point, I'm still just mapping things out organization-wise.
The big "internal debate" I'm wrestling with right now is if it's truer to the original concept that GI Joe exists in its universe as a "substitute" for Delta Force or if it exists alongside Delta Force. From the earliest descriptions in the comics—where the team is referred to as "Special Counterterrorist Group Delta, code name: GI Joe" and an elite "Rapid Deployment Force"—it does seem like Hama's intent was for GI Joe to be a Delta Force analogue within the larger US RDF. Hama, writing the first issue of the comics in 1981 (check out the first issue, even with a cover date of 1982, it still features Jimmy Carter as the sitting president), could never have foreseen the US RDF being practically dismantled and rebuilt as USCENTCOM and its rapid deployment, special operations-capable mission being handed to the newly-created USSOCOM in 1983. |
07-18-2011, 03:42 PM | #1895 |
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I feel like G.I. Joe's focus is too narrow and size too small to replace Delta Force. And how would you work in the non-Army characters? Could your technology and materiel recapture theme work here as well?
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07-18-2011, 04:35 PM | #1896 |
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I don't know why I never thought of using the US RDF framework before (actually I do know why... it's because I'd gotten so caught up in modernizing the team I only focused on extant organization schemes). Making GI Joe a very small (and elite) part of the corps-sized, joint service, fighter-and-carrier equipped US RDF clears up so many of the problems I'd encountered with previous iterations of the project, such as trying to rationalize some sort of permanent support relationship between the Joe team's helicopter and fighter contingent and the "main" ground combat arms organization or trying to figure out where such a high-ranking official like Major General Austin fits into the organization (he could be the US RDF's overall commander, and General Flagg could be one of his staff officers). I think the GI Joe organization can also work as an echelon-above-corps level special missions unit that survived the US RDF's 1983 transition to USCENTCOM, so it's not necessarily married to the idea of being set in a somewhat wildly divergent "alternate history" where the US RDF never evolved into USCENTCOM. Oh, and since you brought it up, yeah, if I'm thinking of GI Joe being a US RDF analogue of USASOC's Delta Force, then it follows that their mission will also be similarly aligned. Though I guess "analogue" is the wrong word, since the Joe team is much, much smaller. One of the conceits behind the US RDF was that three brigades of highly-trained and experienced airborne infantry soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division could be just as effective in special light infantry and limited counterterrorist operations as the more-expensive-to-maintain-and-train 1st and 2nd Ranger Battalions and Delta Force (the notion was partly a reaction by the military establishment to the 1st and 2nd Ranger Battalions' and Delta Force's ineffectiveness during Operation Eagle Claw). So I guess it's more appropriate to say that an elite US RDF airborne infantry brigade is the analogue to Delta Force, and that the GI Joe team is a distinct, echelon-above-corps level asset attached to that infantry brigade, with most of its members drawn from 82nd Airborne Division units. Last edited by zuludelta; 07-18-2011 at 08:09 PM.. |
07-18-2011, 11:58 PM | #1897 |
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What happens when they all go to Ranger school and although 82nd Airborne they got their Ranger tabs? Actually when does the 75th Regiment get reinstated?
I guess with this timeline what would be the point of having Delta Force co-existing. They would be in the infancy stage and it would be harder to rationalizing any of the Joes coming from Delta, unless they were a trainer. I like the subject matter expert rationalization. That's pretty much how the Joes are set up. You got any good reads on the RDF? I may have missed a link.
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07-19-2011, 01:04 AM | #1898 |
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As we've discussed in the "what secrets lurk in the filecards?" thread, the current 75th Ranger Regiment wasn't officially "stood up" until 1986. In the interim between the end of the Vietnam War—which marked the dissolution of the 75th Infantry Regiment (Ranger) for all intents and purposes—and 1986, there existed only the 1st and 2nd Ranger Battalions, "orphan" units of indeterminate status. Take note that not all the old LRP and LRRP companies became part of the 1st and 2nd Ranger Battalions... many of the personnel formerly with the 75th Infantry Regiment LRP and LRRP teams were also reassigned to the various corps- and division-level LRS (Long Range Surveillance) companies and detachments. Quote:
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The forces that were supposed to make up the main body of the RDF varies depending on the source, but the most reliable ones agree that the following units were supposed to contribute the bulk of its personnel form its core had it not been superseded by USCENTCOM (and in part, by USSOCOM): US Army:
US Marine Corps
US Navy
US Air Force
As you can see, the RDF didn't have any Special Forces Groups or SEAL Teams in it, so the newly formed Delta Force and DEVGRU would have been on the outside looking in, so to speak. The idea was that the Rangers, the 82nd Airborne's best and most experienced soldiers, and the USMC's Force Recon personnel were sufficient in fulfilling the RDF's need for special operations-capable airborne/light infantry (and in Force Recon's case, amphibious infantry) forces. By the time 1983 rolled around, USSOCOM had already been established and it absorbed the two Ranger Battalions. With continued criticism of the concept from the military brass and politicians, the US RDF was discontinued and transmuted into USCENTCOM, a unified combatant command with the same general focus (primarily keeping the Soviets out of the oil-rich Middle East) but unlike the US RDF, it did not have fighting units directly and jointly subordinated to it. Instead, it would oversee USARCENT, USMARCENT, USNAVCENT, USCENTAF (later renamed USAFCENT), and eventually, USSOCOMCENT. Last edited by zuludelta; 07-19-2011 at 01:42 AM.. |
07-19-2011, 10:37 AM | #1899 |
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I know that at least once, LH said in the comics that the Joes and Delta co-existed. But, I think it makes more sense if in this "alternate reality" the RDF/Joes take on the missions that Delta does in our world, and therefore, Delta does not exist. It muddies the water too much.
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07-19-2011, 11:55 AM | #1900 |
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I always assumed that the GI Joe team would have been a team that operated "in the black," similar to the way they operated on the series "The Unit." Their cover was what - a supply and logistics unit? The same misleading tactic was used by stationing the original PIT beneath motor pool near the Chaplain's school at Ft. Wadsworth. The surrounding military were completely oblivious to the comings and goings of the soldiers they assumed were a bunch of grease monkeys. So, while Delta Force and SEALs were publicly known, it makes sense that other more elite or specialized teams would be kept in reserve to use in extremely delicate or volatile situations, without the world ever coming to know that the US had been involved. Sort of a bridge between the CIA's SAD and Delta.
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