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07-06-2011, 12:49 AM | #1861 |
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07-06-2011, 12:56 AM | #1862 |
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After my initial disappointment wore off, I realized I'm actually intrigued by the new focus. One thing this iteration seems to have working for it is that you are following a true timeline and there are some interesting directions you can take this in, especially when 1983 rolls around. The initial set up seems sound. Will you be giving equal focus to COBRA this time around? I really enjoyed your expanded flavor text and hope you consider reintroducing it at some point.
As far as the images go, I dig Stalker from the waist up, particularly the head. His left leg is a bit too long even taking perspective into account and his boot on that leg could stand to be reduced a tad. I think he has grease paint on his left hand, but the effect is a bit odd. Overall, I like this image. Zap has a great silhouette but obscuring the face, especially on a profile image, is something that should be avoided (unless you were doing it for effect to highlight a sense of mystery). |
07-06-2011, 02:34 AM | #1863 |
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Vehicles-wise, the MOBAT will be based on the M551A1 Sheridan AR/AAV. I'll have the two "laser guys" (Grand Slam and Flash) serving as crew for the M551A1 (it's one of the first US Army vehicles designed to use an onboard laser rangefinder and targeting system). I'm throwing Short-Fuze in there as the fourth crewman (just because there's really no way to use him as a "stand-alone" mortar soldier... US Army doctrine required at least two soldiers to crew even the smallest and lightest 60 mm infantry mortar in use at the time). The VAMP will be based on the FMC XR311 (which was the original inspiration for the vehicle according to Rudat), and I'll be designating it as the command-and-control as well as escort/security vehicle for the three-man Control Element (Hawk, Breaker, Clutch). Don't know if I'll use the RAM motorcycle for anything since I don't know of any real-world US Army equivalents to it extant at the time. Would love to find an analogue for the AR-TEE-VEE as well since it's one of my favourite unproduced vehicles, but again, off the top of my head, I can't think of anything that is remotely similar to it from the period. Thanks! Quote:
Of course, later in the comics run, Hama seemed to have forgotten the whole rotating Joes out thing, but it's something I want to keep in place for the project. I think I'll be showing depictions of the "active" Joe team at three-year increments, working off of the assumption that an "active" GI Joe assignment is a three-year commitment: 1982 (the original 13), 1985 (this incarnation will obviously contain all significant new characters introduced from the last incarnation, and not just the characters introduced in 1985), 1988, 1991, and maybe 1994. This way, I might even have room for multiple versions of certain characters like Stalker and Snake-Eyes, ones who will be rotating back into "frontline" positions at various points in their military careers. Of course, this brings up the interesting question of who replaces whom? When Hama first had the original 13 (sans Snake-Eyes) "kicked up" to paper-pusher status, some of the replacements and substitutions were obvious:
The other replacements and substitutions aren't so clear, and I'd be open to suggestions or evidence indicating some sort of lineal succession (you'd think Footloose would have been the natural successor to Grunt and Flint would supersede Duke in rank, but as it happened, Flint and Footloose wouldn't appear until issue #37... then again, I'm only using the comics as a guide, and since I'm including selections of the 1985 guys in the "2nd generation" of Joes, I think they'd fit well enough). Quote:
Yeah, I'm thinking of using a different picture for his filecard, one that shows his face. Does he look like a Benicio Del Toro to you? Last edited by zuludelta; 07-06-2011 at 02:58 AM.. |
07-06-2011, 10:46 AM | #1864 |
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As far a the direct replacements that's a fun one, but if you go in 3 year increments, then RnR and RB fit the same timeline.
Will you be demoting Hawk to Major or Lt Colonel? What about Red? CW-3 or Lt? Loving Benicio Del Toro as Zap. I seem him on Ice Cream Ads all over the city. Maybe he's slumming but I'm sure it pays.
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07-06-2011, 01:04 PM | #1865 |
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Obviously, whatever you direction you decide to take GI Joe from 1982 and on will be at your creative discretion, and while you rely upon the input of others, it still needs to be something which you will find at the end to be satisfactory in your eyes. Characters will make the team; others will be cut from the roster. Even as a kid, the over-inflated Joe roster kind of didn't make sense to me. I mean, does an elite counter-terrorist team really need a firefighter? Or a medic that's a pacifist?
I like your idea of rotating them out - it would make sense, since that's the way real units operate. People get injuries, people get old, people change careers. All sorts of things can happen in a real world situation. But since the ARAH characters had so many unique specialties, then perhaps after the initial original 13 team lays the foundation, then other more specialized groups could be created. There are a helluva lot of arctic specialists in the full run of the 1983-1994 toy line. Just sayin'. Digging on Zap. Can't wait to see the whole team - as well as some of the enemy and vehicles. Awesome work, as always.
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07-06-2011, 01:31 PM | #1866 |
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The more I see the more I'm liking it, Zulu. It does fit closer to the concept of the RDF rather than trying to make it some sort of "spec ops" unit. So, how are you deciding which Joes are active and which aren't? I would assume that post-1982 characters like Snow Job are "reservists" called up for specific missions. As to the size of the team, I know it's been touched on before, but LH and Hasbro butted heads over this issue. LH wanted many of the 1985 figures/characters to be remakes of previous ones. For example, Airtight would have been a repurposed Flash, based on the latter's filecard. Hasbro wanted all new characters, and ultimately won out. Is that something you might consider in this project?
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07-06-2011, 02:04 PM | #1867 |
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Also, kudos for emphasizing Stalker's role as a medic. And from the looks of it, you've borrowed a lot from the "GI Joeeclassified" miniseries, if I'm not mistaken.
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07-06-2011, 02:11 PM | #1868 |
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Not all the direct replacements come 3 years later like Flash to Sci-Fi or Breaker to Dial-Tone, but some do. Still it makes for a good 40-45 man roster if you keep 3 years active at once.
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07-06-2011, 02:21 PM | #1869 |
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The more I see the more I'm liking it, Zulu. It does fit closer to the concept of the RDF rather than trying to make it some sort of "spec ops" unit. So, how are you deciding which Joes are active and which aren't? I would assume that post-1982 characters like Snow Job are "reservists" called up for specific missions. As to the size of the team, I know it's been touched on before, but LH and Hasbro butted heads over this issue. LH wanted many of the 1985 figures/characters to be remakes of previous ones. For example, Airtight would have been a repurposed Flash, based on the latter's filecard. Hasbro wanted all new characters, and ultimately won out. Is that something you might consider in this project?
At any rate, Del Toro is a really cool choice especially considering the fact he's a Puerto Rican who comes from a family of lawyers and doctors. In my mind, I view him with the facial hair since he was only without it in his '82 release (which I drew on with a marker to match the filecard/comics). Last edited by Master Thespian; 07-06-2011 at 02:33 PM.. Reason: I answered my own question. |
07-06-2011, 05:10 PM | #1870 |
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This one from 1970s Japan featuring Charles Bronson is equal parts hilarious and bizarre: YouTube - ‪Pre-Death Wish‬‏ Quote:
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But since the ARAH characters had so many unique specialties, then perhaps after the initial original 13 team lays the foundation, then other more specialized groups could be created. There are a helluva lot of arctic specialists in the full run of the 1983-1994 toy line. Just sayin'.
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Anyway, there's some interesting "behind-the-scenes" information about the US RDF and how it was eventually superseded by the SOCOM concept on this page (go to the section entitled "Carter and the Special Operations Elite"): Chapter 13: The Carter Years Quote:
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As to the size of the team, I know it's been touched on before, but LH and Hasbro butted heads over this issue. LH wanted many of the 1985 figures/characters to be remakes of previous ones. For example, Airtight would have been a repurposed Flash, based on the latter's filecard. Hasbro wanted all new characters, and ultimately won out. Is that something you might consider in this project?
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The filecard image I posted has him with a wispy moustache, but I suppose it could still use some thickening. Speaking of facial hair, what's the verdict on Breaker? His file card art had him clean-shaven, and he was also clean-shaven in the 1980s comics. The toy had him with a full, bushy beard, though. What's the common consensus out there? (I prefer the clean-shaven comics look for the character myself... between him, Rock 'n' Roll, Zap, Stalker, and Clutch, it seems like a disproportionately mustachioed/bearded unit, even if one were to take into account the different military grooming standards back in the day) Last edited by zuludelta; 07-06-2011 at 05:26 PM.. |
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