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05-11-2010, 12:13 AM | #1341 |
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Where the hell do you find this stuff? Is this something they've been working on for hundreds of years, or is Adam Harvey a 30-40 year old who grew up watching GIJoe?
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05-11-2010, 04:30 AM | #1342 |
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Well, I used to work at a cognition lab so I've retained more than a passing interest in these types of things and still read the occasional academic journal. A lot of the principles guiding the development of things like digital camo are the direct and/or indirect result of research in neurocognition.
As for Adam Harvey, never heard of him until a few weeks ago when I came across his work in using face paint to confuse face-detection and face-recognition software. |
05-11-2010, 04:49 AM | #1343 |
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Well, I used to work at a cognition lab so I've retained more than a passing interest in these types of things and still read the occasional academic journal. A lot of the principles guiding the development of things like digital camo are the direct and/or indirect result of research in neurocognition.
As for Adam Harvey, never heard of him until a few weeks ago when I came across his work in using face paint to confuse face-detection and face-recognition software. Fascinating stuff. I always suspected that, generally speaking, camo patterns were designed by genius level guys that chose the patterns based on human nuerocognition and the way the brain processes information. That face paint technique is ingenious, yet when you think about it, its one of the most basic principals of disguise that have been used since ancient times. |
05-11-2010, 05:12 AM | #1344 |
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I read your General musings #1. You make many valid points, though you lost a few times going into support logistics. While I do not have your intimate knowledge of the various organizational structures of the many branches and subranches of military, I do understand what you are trying to do.
I have it like this: G.I. receives their outer ring of logistical support and supplies from various Dummy groups posing as third party military contractors. NSA, CIA and various other organizations gather millions of terabytes of satellite data, intel gleaned from email, internet, phone conversations, informants. This data is filtered and prioritized. High priority data is passed on to G.I. Joe. G.I. Joe is made up of 80% intelligence staff, and 20% military staff. The intelligence staff is a two pronged intelligence network. One being The intelligence annalists who make up the majority of the staff, analyzing the data passed on by other agencies. The other being a network of field agents that follow up on this data in order to find and establish a concrete connection to whatever terrorist organization that they are after. Once the intelligence wing has done their job, they call on the tactical division of G.I. Joe. This division is organized in a modular system of small strike teams, that can be combined to form larger platoons. Each strike team is designed as a combined weapons unit, Foot/close air support, foot/armored, foot/amphibious. Within each of these small units, each unit has their own tactical insertion teams. Each strike team, and insertion team can be augmented by light artillery, armor, air support. Personally, I believe that this modular approach is the way of the future. I believe that this is the direction that we will be heading in during the next century. |
05-11-2010, 08:39 AM | #1345 |
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Interesting layout Cobralalalalalalalalalalalalalala
Nice find with the face pattern stuff Z.
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05-11-2010, 12:05 PM | #1346 |
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I don't know why there was so much resistance in the US military establishment for so long to the idea of using disruptive colour patterns to break up the soldier's visual outline, when they'd already been proven to be effective (I suspect it was probably tied to some company with a hefty government contract for making olive drab BDUs lobbying against the adoption of disruptive camo patterns under the pretense that disruptive camo BDUs were "un-American" or some similar nonsense ). Which brings us to the current state of US military camo. I think it's impractical and wasteful that every branch of service now has its own "personal" camo pattern. For one thing, having individualised service-specific camo patterns betrays key deployment intelligence to enemy observers: a scout or spy familiar with the US military "camo rainbow" will immediately be able to tell if they're dealing with the Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marines with just a quick glance. It also leads to redundant research: Instead of pooling the resources of their respective labs, the USMC doesn't share the research that led to the development of MARPAT with the other services and the Army does the same with the ACU's UCP. The cynic in me is thinking that the individualized service-specific camo approach was motivated by money more than anything else... the various military departments can get bigger individual budget allocations for R&D if they claim to be working independently on their respective service-specific patterns, as opposed to if they were working in cooperation with each other to develop what I think would be a superior cross-service camo pattern. Quote:
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05-11-2010, 05:05 PM | #1347 |
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History repeats itself, Zulu. As I recall, such was the state of affairs in the late '50s/early '60s when each service had their own BDUs (for lack of a better term), their own boots, etc. Kennedy and his advisers looked at these things and attempted to change things. This actually brought about the development of the M-16, for better or worse. I realize the branches have different missions, but they do need to understand they all play in the same sandbox, so to speak.
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05-11-2010, 07:29 PM | #1348 |
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Heh. To quote Santayana: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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05-12-2010, 10:11 PM | #1349 |
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Here are my interpretations of the Steel Brigade:
STEEL Servicewoman and STEEL Serviceman Design notes:
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05-13-2010, 09:47 AM | #1350 |
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STEEL, great name, look great.
How long did it take to come up with that name?
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