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03-03-2010, 07:24 AM | #1081 |
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While I certainly liked your take on Lifeline as a PJ, I'm enjoying this new take on him as well. Even though it sounds like you're eschewing the whole pacifist thing (I never bought into it either), I don't imagine he'll be seeing much combat. Ft. Wadsworth looks great, maybe if I go to NY this summer I'll go check out the real thing.
The thing is, in the real world, a deployed 68W like Lifeline will "see combat" all the time in a most basic sense. And I never bought into the claptrap that he (or Doc) doesn't use firearms. Combat medics are issued personal defense weapons for their protection and the defense of their patients --usually semiautomatic pistols, but the PDW definition can also include submachine guns that use pistol ammunition (like the MP5 and the Uzi) or specialty body armor-piercing low-caliber rounds (like the FN P90 and the MP7). The only real Geneva Convention restriction on combat medic or corpsman firearms use is that they can't use their weapons offensively to preemptively shoot at an enemy combatant before said enemy performs actions that can be construed as a threat to the medic and/or his/her patients. Once a medic does that, he/she loses non-combatant status (i.e., killing them no longer counts as a war crime). I guess (and I might be opening a can of worms here), I just can't fathom the idea of a pacifist volunteering to join the armed forces (which is how Lifeline and Doc have occasionally been portrayed). It just reeks of hypocrisy. Oh, and let me just clear some thing up before we go any further: I am not morally opposed to people choosing to subscribe to the doctrines of pacifism and absolute non-violence. I have the utmost respect for people who choose to live as pacifists and I think Jesus, Gautama Buddha, Gandhi, and Tagore made some very compelling arguments for the doctrine as a moral and lifestyle choice. My opposition to it arises when it is put forward as a tenable foundation for defense policy or a resistance movement. But as to how alleged pacifists like Lifeline and Doc were occasionally portrayed in the comics and cartoons, it just doesn't add up. The most famous avowed pacifists who served in the armed forces (Medal of Honor recipients Sgt. Alvin York and Pfc. Desmond Doss) were drafted, not volunteers (and don't forget that York received his Medal of Honor for single-handedly taking out 32 machine gun nests, killing 28 enemy combatants, and capturing at least a hundred others). And some of the more prominent people commonly referred to as pacifist volunteer combatants don't really subscribe to a strict pacifist philosophy. For example, USMC Major General and two-time Medal of Honor awardee Smedley Butler was often referred to as a pacifist, but what he was really against was war-profiteering, as evidenced by his most famous quote: Quote:
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
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03-03-2010, 07:45 AM | #1082 |
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I totally agree about the pacifist stance of Doc and Lifeline. In my 'verse, Doc was a SF medic who used the GI Bill to finish his degree then got a scholarship to Harvard Medical. I like to think that he served with Hawk in Vietnam when Hawk was a young SF officer.
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03-03-2010, 07:58 AM | #1083 |
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03-03-2010, 10:12 AM | #1084 |
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Love that Butler quote. I never heard of the guy, but that is a period of American History that often is left out of the history books. Basically America's imperialistic birth. I think Manifest Destiny ran out of room at the turn of the century, but America's industrial might was starting to explode onto the World.
None of that seems right when you look at it now. I wonder how the media spun those stories? How we got out of that period not declaring war on Mexico is a wonder to me too. You can add the Panama Canal to that list too. PS. I still like the PJ Lifeline But the new one is true to form. Excelllent work. I only hope if Hasbro ever remakes Lifeline, I hope they change him to look like your PJ Lifeline. Now you mention it I hope they make him a SF Medic so he gets to kick ass. |
03-03-2010, 10:21 AM | #1085 |
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Yeah, I'm a bigger fan of PJ Lifeline, only cause I think the Joes need PJs, lol
Pacifist Doc and Lifeline just don't work. I haven't had a chance to look at the maps yet.
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03-03-2010, 01:07 PM | #1086 |
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Love that Butler quote. I never heard of the guy, but that is a period of American History that often is left out of the history books. Basically America's imperialistic birth. I think Manifest Destiny ran out of room at the turn of the century, but America's industrial might was starting to explode onto the World.
He was also one of the guys who blew the whistle on "The Business Plot" (a conspiratorial group of rich industrialists, bankers, and businessmen who plotted to stage a military coup in 1933 to overthrow the legally-elected US government in order to install a puppet government under their control). Now that I think about it, "The Business Plot" probably influenced Larry Hama's ideas for Cobra, and Butler could have influenced Ron Rudat's design for Gung-Ho (Butler was famous for having a huge "bird and ball" tattoo on his chest, stretching all the way from the root of his neck to his navel). |
03-03-2010, 01:16 PM | #1087 |
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Not sure what I like more, the maps or the new Lifeline.
Great work as always Zulu! |
03-03-2010, 01:20 PM | #1088 |
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Thanks DH!
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03-03-2010, 01:26 PM | #1089 |
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Don't worry, I'm incorporating a special tactics section (composed of three PJs, three combat controllers, and three combat meteorologists) in the GIJOE aviation element. Lifeline just isn't one of them.
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03-03-2010, 03:43 PM | #1090 |
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Thanks for the Butler history Lesson. Sounded like a real Badass.
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