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07-17-2018, 10:25 PM | #11 |
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I’m not sure I’m 100% on what you are saying but are you aware that you can pull the post adapter out of the Hacks head and put it inside an MTF Head? Then the MTF Head will fit on the Hacks body. Is that what you mean?
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07-18-2018, 06:56 AM | #12 |
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See, it's little nuances like these connectors that makes me think that each company (Marauder, Boss Fights, Hasbro) must have a patent or some kind of copyright on the actual figure build and components.
About 20 years ago, I did a patent search for a friend who designed some painters tools. Every little difference in the invention mattered as far as the Patent office is concerned. Hasbro even ran into this with the first G.I. Joe action figure that was mistakenly manufactured with the thumb nails on the wrong side. It's a curious process, and I'd love to know more about the history of the design work of both MTF and BFS. Zap, I can really see these taking off! Plus a BFS to MTF dumb bell conversion neck post should be fairly easy. The next thing I would suggest, if possible at all, would be a MTF to BFS shoulder conversion socket that changes the MTF T-mushroom shoulder joint into the BFS arrow-plug shoulder joint. Jason |
07-18-2018, 07:30 AM | #13 |
A Makeupless Clown
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Standard HACKS neck peg barbells: Modified HACKS neck peg barbells for use with MTF and similar-depth heads: Comparison shot: Quote:
...Zap, I can really see these taking off! Plus a BFS to MTF dumb bell conversion neck post should be fairly easy.
The next thing I would suggest, if possible at all, would be a MTF to BFS shoulder conversion socket that changes the MTF T-mushroom shoulder joint into the BFS arrow-plug shoulder joint. Jason I'll roll the idea around for a bit and take some measurements to see if I can come up with something that works. Off the top of my head though, this one seems best handled by someone taking a wad of modeling putty and filling the figure socket, trimmming down to size, allowing it to cure, then drilling a small hole through it (using a bit slightly smaller than the HACKS shoulder peg). With that basic shaped piece a caster could make them in flex and I think they would be a perfect drop-in solution for HACKS - to - MTF arm adapters. I'm just not sure about printing them in a non-flex material and I know of no flex material options for 3d printing.
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07-18-2018, 08:53 AM | #14 |
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Yeah, the shoulder joint may be a little more problematic. Sometimes the easiest solution is the best, like good ole hot glue.
This all goes back to my thoughts on patent and action figure design. I wonder if there was a reason my Rueben and MJ went with the T-mushroom design with rigid split torso rather than an arrow-plug design and a one-piece (softer) torso cast (like the legs)? This would have allowed for a simple heat/boil & pop for the arms and torso - easier to customize and parts swap, which goes with their whole modular theme. Again, the T-mushroom designs shoulders may have been necessary for patent (if patent was required). I've thought a wrist articulation that I think would be better than anything out there today. Instead of the standard swivel-pivot, with hands using an arrow-tip, make the end of the hand articulation a ball and the wrist socket ball-shaped like a head sculpt. This would allow the hands to rotate 360 degrees, give minimum tilt-articulation from the ball-peg, and still utilize the hand swivel-articulation. Heck, you could even apply this to the shoulder joint to give the shoulder even more articulation. If that doesn't make sense, I'll try to draw a picture and post what I'm talking about. Jason |
07-18-2018, 11:45 AM | #15 |
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I've thought a wrist articulation that I think would be better than anything out there today. Instead of the standard swivel-pivot, with hands using an arrow-tip, make the end of the hand articulation a ball and the wrist socket ball-shaped like a head sculpt. This would allow the hands to rotate 360 degrees, give minimum tilt-articulation from the ball-peg, and still utilize the hand swivel-articulation. Heck, you could even apply this to the shoulder joint to give the shoulder even more articulation.
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07-18-2018, 04:46 PM | #16 |
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That's not a bad idea. MTF heads do sit high on the HACKS neck pegs. I took some measurements and came up with what I think will make MTF heads sit properly for height on HACKS necks.
Standard HACKS neck peg barbells: Modified HACKS neck peg barbells for use with MTF and similar-depth heads: Comparison shot: I already need to get plyers out to get the Hacks barbell out. I don't know if I would be able to get the proposed MTF barbell out of the head. I doubt there would be room for my needle nose. |
07-18-2018, 04:58 PM | #17 |
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Overall, I do like these ideas. I don't think I would want a 3d printed part. It would be too expensive, and more prone to break I expect. Maybe I'm wrong??
Another thing to think about, is what is the reaction of MTF and BFS going to be? I recently saw on the MTF Facebook group someone posted a sculpt they had made over a MTF torso. Ruben replied saying something to the affect that it wasn't cool, as the sculptor was talking about selling the sculpt. Ruben had something along the lines of "I must have missed the email", or similar. From what I can tell, that post is gone all together. I don't know what the legality would be of using the same size balls. There is probably nothing they could do to stop you. But I strongly suspect they could prevent you from advertising using their name if they didn't like it. Maybe consider running this by MTF and BFS to see if they are cool with it. For all we know, they might be planning this already, and you might be stepping on toes. If someone puts these ideas out as a product up to the same quality as MTF/BFS/Hasbro gives us, I would buy quite a few. |
07-18-2018, 05:59 PM | #18 |
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The reduction in length comes from the part that would already be inside the head. The whole purpose is to make the lower ball stick out of a MTF/Joe head as far as standard barbells stick out of a HACKS head. Standard HACKS barbells stick out too far on MTF and Joe heads because the MTF sockets are shallower. That's what gives us the giraffe neck issue and this alternate barbell just makes the protrusion equal.
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07-18-2018, 06:29 PM | #19 |
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Overall, I do like these ideas. I don't think I would want a 3d printed part. It would be too expensive, and more prone to break I expect. Maybe I'm wrong??
Another thing to think about, is what is the reaction of MTF and BFS going to be? I recently saw on the MTF Facebook group someone posted a sculpt they had made over a MTF torso. Ruben replied saying something to the affect that it wasn't cool, as the sculptor was talking about selling the sculpt. Ruben had something along the lines of "I must have missed the email", or similar. From what I can tell, that post is gone all together. I don't know what the legality would be of using the same size balls. There is probably nothing they could do to stop you. But I strongly suspect they could prevent you from advertising using their name if they didn't like it. Maybe consider running this by MTF and BFS to see if they are cool with it. For all we know, they might be planning this already, and you might be stepping on toes. If someone puts these ideas out as a product up to the same quality as MTF/BFS/Hasbro gives us, I would buy quite a few. You can't advertise anything for sale on Marauder's site. Many custom cast sites have been mentioned. Rueben, himself, has mentioned Daremo's Dojo and Bad mother Tattoos and Customs decals, but nothing specifically advertised. I think with the amount of time that BFS and MTF figures have been available, if either group were planning some sort of "cross-over" attachments, like the neck dumb bell and/or pelvis/torso attachment that they would have already done it. As far as legality goes, that's a different subject. I'm not an attorney (but have stayed in a Holiday Inn), but having done a couple of patent searches in the past; if they don't offer either of these products, I really don't think there is a legal issue at all. Jason |
07-18-2018, 06:43 PM | #20 |
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These pieces seem a lot like "after market" parts. This is done all the time. There are whole enterprises that exist to sell you stuff that fit a product you already own. Seat covers, rims, phone cases. etc
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