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03-11-2010, 05:34 PM | #11 |
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Market saturation with too many crappy books and crappy creators (Image, I'm looking at you...)
Variant and special edition covers (Marvel, that would be you...) The "bad girl" craze (too many people to mention)...
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03-11-2010, 05:35 PM | #12 |
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This is true, I would never pay to read a comic online. But I also recognize that the cost of producing a comic with limited production compared to what it was years past has made comic books too expensive for the casual reader. Over the last five years it has finally gotten cheaper for me to buy action figures compared to comics. I used to buy 40 titles a month. In July last year I decided to cut my titles down to 15, but I haven't been back to the comic shop since then. Just realized it's been that long as I typed this. The thought of getting all those back issues is making me feel like I might not go back to it.
Frankly right now, with my budget in this economy there is no way I could read as many titles as I was reading. Action figures was actually my safe remedy. I miss my trips to the shop, but bills gotta come 1st. Due to my crazy comic habit and the price of comics now, I find myself not alone in going the way of the TPB or Graphic Novel. I was doing about 30 titles a month myself, plus everytime I was there, there was a 1 shot, a figure, something...I was spending about 150.00 pr wk...which is retarded. FOR ME anyway. Now...TPBs, Robocop once a month and action figures as they come. Not to say I wont go back to collecting comics regularly....but 1st things 1st. |
03-11-2010, 05:41 PM | #13 |
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Mostly over saturation. Back then everybody and their cousin thought they had the next big thing in comics and somehow, these fools found people to publish it.
Then everybody and their aforementioned cousin would speculate and think that Brigade #1 could fund their kids' education because Wizad said so. I remeber buying 5 copies of Bloodshot 6 or 7 with the first appearance of Ninjak at my regular shop and then taking the bus to 3 other shops to clean them out as well. Last edited by cyclonus8; 03-11-2010 at 05:45 PM.. |
03-11-2010, 05:42 PM | #14 |
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The comic industry got too greedy.. They would make you buy other comic books to finish a storyline that began in the comic you were buying.. They started producing too many incentive covers either in foilemboss or die-cut.. Then you had multiple comics for say the X-men it just got way too much they killed themselves just like the baseball card industry.. They released way too many sets under one name.. Same happened to comics..
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03-11-2010, 05:47 PM | #15 |
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Marvel was out of control with the die-cut, foil, fold out...wow that was nutty.
This might sound crazy but I thought Image was kinda week...Pitt, Prophet? Even Spawn to me wasnt very original...one part Ghost Rider one part 50 other characters. If ANYONE else illustrated Spawn and the toys never came out- I cant really see it being as big as it was. I think I own 1 copy of a Spawn and no toys....though I do have other McFarlane figures. Malibu comics sucked. Oh then there was 2099...which also did ridiculous foil covers.. That era was pretty much it for me, I read some of the Star Wars Darkhorse stuff...it wasnt until about 2003 that I started reading regularly again. |
03-11-2010, 05:48 PM | #16 |
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Same as with baseball cards. The reason the first appearance of Superman is so valuable isn't just because of who it is but how hard it is to come by one of those comics. Just like a Mickey Mantle rookie card. There were only so many made and of those a lot of them ended up in the spokes of some kids bike or traded, damaged and so on. Same with comic books. Just ask your parents how they feel now knowing that your grandparents threw out boxes of comics that are worth enough now to buy a car.
Now the parents who lost their comics are instilling into their kids to keep them up and safe and they would be worth something. The publishers banked on this and released a shit load into the market flooding it. Now that comic that was bagged and boarded back in the 90's to be saved to pay for college is worthless because there are so many of them in just as good condition if not better. Nothing is that valuable if it is so common. Now to combat this the comics put out variants and limited edition cards and stuff but the thing is people caught on pretty quick to that seeing as how they had to spend a lot of money just to get that chance. So now you have people who are tired of spending money worthless commons and not winning that "jackpot". Just like with the stock market you have ups and downs. When people are buying then the price goes up. When they are selling the price goes down. You have people who where buying not buying anymore and trying to sell. The people who held on to it thinking the price was going back up are now trying to sell due to the economy which is another thing hurting the market. So there you have it, too much of stuff that people have or just don't want. |
03-11-2010, 05:48 PM | #17 |
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Same thing that happened to the toy industry when the "Power of the Force 2" line came out.
Just ask all those poor bastards that can't even get their $2 investment back for a MoMC monkey-faced Princess Leia (Judas Priest those were some aweful sculpts). |
03-11-2010, 05:51 PM | #18 |
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eBay, saturation, movies...all that played a part.
But I think an overlooked factor (especially in regard to the "Big Two") was a lack of new ideas or lasting characters. If you check your scorecard, the only lasting characters since the 70's have been Wolverine and Punisher. By "lasting", I mean a new character who has been given his own book and maintained his appeal. Alot of new characters were made in the 80's and 90's...but they didn't seem to stick. Sure, every TEAM book adds one or two new flunkies, but as far as heavy hitters go, there haven't been many newbies. Plus, all the retcons, death resets, and crossovers have hurt fan interest. From about 2004-2009, DC was intent on bringing things back to a 1982 "Jla Satellite Era" status quo. Why should I pay 2.99 for a single issue of this regurgitated garbage, when I could spend 50 cents to $1.00 on the real thing (see: eBay)?
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03-11-2010, 05:54 PM | #19 |
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IMHO it's the same thing that has ruined the SD comic-con = hollywood ( I have been going since 1996, and this year is the first I'm not going, different story tho).
hollywood regurgitates everything, after watering it down. then they over-saturate (as everyone's said) and run everything into the ground until it no longer makes money. hollywood has drawn a whole new crowd to the comic-related world. one that does not like to read, only watch things on TV, and buy collectibles that are worth a lot of money. comics don't have a lot of breathing room when that happens. |
03-11-2010, 06:09 PM | #20 |
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Plus couldn't the god modding of certain characters have killed Comics? [After all look what they've done to one of my favorite ones, Cable!]
After all where's the fun in reading it if the main guy is gonna kick everyone's butt and pretty much gain new powers every time?
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