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01-05-2009, 02:54 PM | #1 |
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So there was the first Transformers-GI.Joe crossover in the Marvel series. That's the G1 Transformers hooking up with the GI.Joes simple enough I get it.
Then You have the G2 Transformers making there first aperance in the same GI.Joe continuity that the original G1 Transformers appeared in. Dose that not make the G1 and G2 transformers exist in the same universe? They have both made appearances in the same comic. I recently read that the G2 transformers comics were to have been a continuation of the G1 cartoon series. Is there any truth to this? I have also heard it said that GI.joe dose not exist in the Marvel Universe, but since Spider Man made an appearance in the G1 Transformers series, that makes the Transformers exisist in the Marvel universe. Therefore GI.Joe DOSE exist in the Marvel universe since the Transformers, GI.Joe, and Spiderman have all been linked together. I hope some of that makes sense, Thanks Dan |
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You just opened a paradox in the time / space continuum that will tear our universe apart! I hope you're happy.
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01-05-2009, 04:28 PM | #4 |
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I'm not sure if G2 could follow G1 in a strict continuity since after the Transformers movie, everything jumped up in time - while GI Joe never made that same "jump". I can't remember, but either the US or UK comics never went with the movie, so G2 would probably follow their story line.
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..and the 80s television supercop "SledgeHammer" had his own comic, which Spiderman guested in, so I guess SledgeHammer and GIJOE are from the same universe too...
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01-05-2009, 05:08 PM | #7 |
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So there was the first Transformers-GI.Joe crossover in the Marvel series. That's the G1 Transformers hooking up with the GI.Joes simple enough I get it.
Then You have the G2 Transformers making there first aperance in the same GI.Joe continuity that the original G1 Transformers appeared in. Dose that not make the G1 and G2 transformers exist in the same universe? They have both made appearances in the same comic. I recently read that the G2 transformers comics were to have been a continuation of the G1 cartoon series. Is there any truth to this? I have also heard it said that GI.joe dose not exist in the Marvel Universe, but since Spider Man made an appearance in the G1 Transformers series, that makes the Transformers exisist in the Marvel universe. Therefore GI.Joe DOSE exist in the Marvel universe since the Transformers, GI.Joe, and Spiderman have all been linked together. I hope some of that makes sense, Thanks Dan However, there is no truth at all that G2 Transformers issues have a connection to the G1 Transformers cartoon. That very false rumor probably has it's basis in Beast Wars TV continuity debates which can get a little confusing. Since Beast Wars isn't relevant to your question, there's no need to complicate things. Whoever said that was 100% wrong. Your last conclusion sounds logical but I can't necessarily agree with it. Early Marvel Transformers comics established that Spider-Man, Nick Fury, S.H.I.E.L.D., the Savage Land, etc. do indeed exist in the same universe as the Transformers but a few brief crossovers followed by nothing else suggests that the Transformers and G.I. Joe cannot exist in the so-called 616 Marvel Universe. Personally, I don't ignore those issues. I just view the situation as the Autobots and Peter Parker live on the same Marvel Earth but it's not the same reality in which Mutant Massacre, Evolutionary War, Inferno, Acts of Vengeance, Atlantis Attacks, etc. happened. Last edited by Kintoun; 01-05-2009 at 05:30 PM.. |
01-05-2009, 05:40 PM | #8 |
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Yes, G1 Marvel Transformers comic book continuity leads directly into G2 Marvel Transformers comic book continuity so they occur in the same universe.
However, there is no truth at all that G2 Transformers issues have a connection to the G1 Transformers cartoon. That very false rumor probably has it's basis in Beast Wars TV continuity debates which can get a little confusing. Since Beast Wars isn't relevant to your question, there's no need to complicate things. Whoever said that was 100% wrong. Your last conclusion sounds logical but I can't necessarily agree with it. Early Marvel Transformers comics established that Spider-Man, Nick Fury, S.H.I.E.L.D., the Savage Land, etc. do indeed exist in the same universe as the Transformers but a few brief crossovers followed by nothing else suggests that the Transformers and G.I. Joe cannot exist in the so-called 616 Marvel Universe. Personally, I don't ignore those issues. I just view the situation as the Autobots and Peter Parker live on the same Marvel Earth but it's not the same reality in which Mutant Massacre, Evolutionary War, Inferno, Acts of Vengeance, Atlantis Attacks, etc. happened. Last edited by delta; 01-05-2009 at 06:20 PM.. |
01-05-2009, 08:03 PM | #9 |
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I'm not sure if G2 could follow G1 in a strict continuity since after the Transformers movie, everything jumped up in time - while GI Joe never made that same "jump". I can't remember, but either the US or UK comics never went with the movie, so G2 would probably follow their story line.
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Yes, G1 Marvel Transformers comic book continuity leads directly into G2 Marvel Transformers comic book continuity so they occur in the same universe.
However, there is no truth at all that G2 Transformers issues have a connection to the G1 Transformers cartoon. That very false rumor probably has it's basis in Beast Wars TV continuity debates which can get a little confusing. Since Beast Wars isn't relevant to your question, there's no need to complicate things. Whoever said that was 100% wrong. Your last conclusion sounds logical but I can't necessarily agree with it. Early Marvel Transformers comics established that Spider-Man, Nick Fury, S.H.I.E.L.D., the Savage Land, etc. do indeed exist in the same universe as the Transformers but a few brief crossovers followed by nothing else suggests that the Transformers and G.I. Joe cannot exist in the so-called 616 Marvel Universe. Personally, I don't ignore those issues. I just view the situation as the Autobots and Peter Parker live on the same Marvel Earth but it's not the same reality in which Mutant Massacre, Evolutionary War, Inferno, Acts of Vengeance, Atlantis Attacks, etc. happened. Paragraph 1 is completely true. Paragraph 2 is not. The Beast Wars is a sequel to -A- G1 universe. Not the comic. Not the cartoon. Not the toys. An amalgamation of them all. The G2 comics are a part of it. The writers wanted the Vok, a major plot group, to be the evolution of the Swarm, from G2 comics. They even stated so on the a.t.t. newsgroups when they were doing the show. Should be in Google archives still. Paragraph 3 is....well, mostly opinion. But let me help out a bit here. MARVEL has -officially- retconned the Spidey appearance. His app in issue 3 was just to boost sales (anything w/him on the cover sells more for Marvel), and has no real impact, in any way, on any part of the story or continuity at all. It's just a guest appearance, and his parts could have been played by just about anyone at all. The Savage Land in the TFs is not named the Savage Land. It's just something like the Savage Land, and Marvel themselves took back, in later issues, their little caption in one issue (where Ratchet revives the Dinobots) that this would be "familiar to longtime Marvel readers as the Savage Land". GI Joe and TFs are a separate continuity. They're not part of Marvel, beyond being published by them. References to them being part of 616 have been retconned away or ignored or reworded. And yeah, the G2 comics are a continuation, pretty much directly in some cases, of the G1 issues. The comics have nothing to do with the cartoons. Beyond having the same 'people' in it of course. G2 comics sequel to G1 comics, neither have the same continuity with the cartoon. Like I said above though, Beast Wars does take bits and pieces of all that came before (at the time, of course) to make it a somewhat sequel to the previous works. The BW series however doesn't follow up on much of anything from the previous continuities. We see nothing about Klo or Nucleon (G1 comics plots), nothing about the Swarm (beyond wanting to make them ancestors of the Vok that never got into any continuity) or Leige Maximo (both from G2 comics), nothing about the Plasma Energy Chamber, or the Quintessons, or Unicron (all toon plots). BW basically takes the common beginning of all the previous continuities (that being the Bots and Cons crash in spaceships 4 million years ago) and an implied ending to the Bot-Con war (that being the Bots won, in the end) and goes from there. Hope that helps. |
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TF comics don't follow the cartoons. They had a movie -adaptation- made in comic form, but the movie is not, strictly speaking, part of the continuity. Even so, at the time the G2 comics happened (early 1990s) the movie hasn't (2005). Anyway, neither the US nor the UK comics did the movie. The movie guys were introduced in other ways, thus invalidating the movie in the comic continuity.
Paragraph 1 is completely true. Paragraph 2 is not. The Beast Wars is a sequel to -A- G1 universe. Not the comic. Not the cartoon. Not the toys. An amalgamation of them all. The G2 comics are a part of it. The writers wanted the Vok, a major plot group, to be the evolution of the Swarm, from G2 comics. They even stated so on the a.t.t. newsgroups when they were doing the show. Should be in Google archives still. Paragraph 3 is....well, mostly opinion. But let me help out a bit here. MARVEL has -officially- retconned the Spidey appearance. His app in issue 3 was just to boost sales (anything w/him on the cover sells more for Marvel), and has no real impact, in any way, on any part of the story or continuity at all. It's just a guest appearance, and his parts could have been played by just about anyone at all. The Savage Land in the TFs is not named the Savage Land. It's just something like the Savage Land, and Marvel themselves took back, in later issues, their little caption in one issue (where Ratchet revives the Dinobots) that this would be "familiar to longtime Marvel readers as the Savage Land". GI Joe and TFs are a separate continuity. They're not part of Marvel, beyond being published by them. References to them being part of 616 have been retconned away or ignored or reworded. And yeah, the G2 comics are a continuation, pretty much directly in some cases, of the G1 issues. The comics have nothing to do with the cartoons. Beyond having the same 'people' in it of course. G2 comics sequel to G1 comics, neither have the same continuity with the cartoon. Like I said above though, Beast Wars does take bits and pieces of all that came before (at the time, of course) to make it a somewhat sequel to the previous works. The BW series however doesn't follow up on much of anything from the previous continuities. We see nothing about Klo or Nucleon (G1 comics plots), nothing about the Swarm (beyond wanting to make them ancestors of the Vok that never got into any continuity) or Leige Maximo (both from G2 comics), nothing about the Plasma Energy Chamber, or the Quintessons, or Unicron (all toon plots). BW basically takes the common beginning of all the previous continuities (that being the Bots and Cons crash in spaceships 4 million years ago) and an implied ending to the Bot-Con war (that being the Bots won, in the end) and goes from there. Hope that helps. In what way has Marvel officially retconned the Spider-Man guest appearance? Requesting fans to stop pestering them with questions about it does not qualify as a retcon to me. No story has been created to replace him with another hero so why should I care what the person answering a letters page thinks about the situation? Since when did such a trivial job come with such incredible authority? The Savage Land was named as such in Transformers comics with the example you just provided. They didn't take it back at all. You're desperately looking for any hint that all evidence and facts from Transformers comics can be tossed away. I get the impression you'd be happy to accept whatever weak excuse Marvel officially provides years afterwards and twist all debates to reflect them. If Marvel hypothetically says Sparkplug somehow fought Megatron with ropes instead of Peter, it's not a retcon that fandom must accept until they go to the effort of telling that story. Claiming Spider-Man's appearance had no impact is highly debatable. In fact, I'd say it's almost as ridiculous as claming all the Autobots in issue 3 could just as easily have been replaced with Go-Bots. Yes, my third paragraph does involve an opinion. At least I provided one. You don't seem to care what was printed on the pages at all and focus all your attention on whatever Marvel has said after the fact. I wouldn't be surprised if you believe all Mainframe file cards from 1986 magically changed to Dataframe when that became Blaine's new codename. Last edited by Kintoun; 01-05-2009 at 10:39 PM.. |
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