My idea of a live action Destro mask

[Reznor]

Well, I posted this in another thread, but ended up working more and more on it (damnit, cant get away from the comp.)

Heres the original of the guy playing Destro


http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13209131692.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8134704)

Now if I were designing a live action mask, I would want it to be practical.

Metal mask, but the guy would still be able to hear, and because getting actors to play roles that require them covering the face is tough, we would allow his eyes and mouth to show so he can still emote.

My version would be something similar to this...

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13209291335.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8134754)

Then you could add green lenses to the mask and give him the green eyed look
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13209253626.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8134750)

Not perfect, but my own eyes feel like they are bleeding. I need sleep.

[hectorxd]

Very interesting concept.
Looks like I robot.

[Reznor]

He did not mur-der him

[Reznor]

Well, Im leaving my work and all i can think about is playing around with this look more. Friggin photoshop is like crack.

[Astrokreep]

What happened to the Doctor? Is Rose safe? DAMN THOSE DALEKS!

It looks pretty cool. It would take some getting used to, but I can't see how he'd have a metal mask that covers his entire face in a live movie.

[Reznor]

Exactly, theres gotta be some comprimise just to make it work in hollywood, or else an actor wont do it. Look at Spiderman 1, the GG was kinda odd for the fact that it was just a non moving mask, it didnt emote except for seeing his eyes a little.

To me, this would be about the most of a comprimise I would give, because I dont want to see CG enhancement on an actors face and call him Destro, I would like something with some practicality to it, its a helmet, its armor, but the actor can still act, and its a real prop.

Just my feeling on it

[VIPER 48]

Looks very cool. I will have to get on photoshop sometime and play around a little. Your idea is great but i would color in the ears, mouth and nose with some sort of paint to match the silver mask. But you have the general idea down. Great work man...

[Reznor]

Looks very cool. I will have to get on photoshop sometime and play around a little. Your idea is great but i would color in the ears, mouth and nose with some sort of paint to match the silver mask. But you have the general idea down. Great work man...

Yeah, ive actually played with that a bit, the problem is, is when he would take his mask off, he would have gray colored ears and mouth, unless the baroness is into that.

Ive been working on it since Ive got home, and I think its looking a lot better, more angular and 'masky'

[VIPER 48]

Yeah, ive actually played with that a bit, the problem is, is when he would take his mask off, he would have gray colored ears and mouth, unless the baroness is into that.

Ive been working on it since Ive got home, and I think its looking a lot better, more angular and 'masky'

No, don't take his mask off...lol Yeah you are right. No girl, even the Baroness, wants to make out with a guy who has silver ears, mouth, and a silver nose. Hats off to you my friend. Your work is excellent...

[Reznor]

thanks man, yeah, photoshop is a blast, learning photoshop can be a bitch though. I finally talked myself into sittin on it and just playing around with it for about a week straight just to learn it, boy and im glad, its a blast.

I should be uploading my newer version here in the next bit, im sittin here printing and burning some dvds for a client, so im playing with it while working.

Getting paid to play, yay

[VIPER 48]

Getting paid to play, yay

I wish i could get paid to play...lol...

[Reznor]

Well, maybe when my business gets big enough I can do some hiring, ill give ya a holler! :)

[VIPER 48]

Well, maybe when my business gets big enough I can do some hiring, ill give ya a holler! :)

Sounds good, in the meantime if you need any help, just give me a call...

[Reznor]

I may do that man, don't know if youve ever played around with production/media related stuff, but its fun as hell. It started as a hobby with me, now I get paid for it! Just not enough yet I can quit my other job, but its been starting to build quite a bit.

Im looking at setting up an actual office soon (im doing everything out of my apt at the moment) and once thats goin, youll have to come down and ill show ya the ropes.

[Reznor]

http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13301413313.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8140003)

heres the newest

I fixed his mouth a bit, worked his eyes over a little, and tried to give him a lil more angular look. And I brightened up the red on his collar a bit

[Frostbite]

Destro is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNOlY9bh7N8&feature=related

Pay close attention to 0:32

[Reznor]

If it were me, I would have a full on mask, no lip movement, just a big metal mask, like the one in the video (better quality of course).

Hollywood wont have it though, unless they get a movement actor (IE: Kane Hodder, or Doug Jones type) for the guy in a mask bits, but rarely do they do that, because they want to showcase the actor as much as they can.

To a lesser degree, look at the Spiderman movies, they have him take his mask off, or have it ripped off quite a bit in all the movies, that is why, so the actor can be seen in the outfit without the mask. I think Raimi handled it pretty well though, but most movies will just completely reinvent the mask so that it shows the actor most, if not all the time.

The version I did is kind of a comprimise, while trying to retain what made the mask classic.

[Frostbite]

If it were me, I would have a full on mask, no lip movement, just a big metal mask, like the one in the video (better quality of course).

Hollywood wont have it though, unless they get a movement actor (IE: Kane Hodder, or Doug Jones type) for the guy in a mask bits, but rarely do they do that, because they want to showcase the actor as much as they can.

To a lesser degree, look at the Spiderman movies, they have him take his mask off, or have it ripped off quite a bit in all the movies, that is why, so the actor can be seen in the outfit without the mask. I think Raimi handled it pretty well though, but most movies will just completely reinvent the mask so that it shows the actor most, if not all the time.

The version I did is kind of a comprimise, while trying to retain what made the mask classic.

You are right.

Raimi did do it right, because by film's end, we get to see Spiderman in battle damage mode complete without mask.

Keaton followed a similar look in Batman Returns, as did Robert Downey in the new Iron Man movie.

Destro's face should not be revealed in the film. It should be a secret, and only at the end of the film should the audience be allowed to see a hint at his real identity.

Call me old fashioned, but there are many of us who favor the hints and theories of the secret identity types.

Michael Myers is a good example for the conclusion of Halloween. The entire film we are asking ourselves just what does that guy look like??? And by film's end, we get just a hint at his face only to be egged into seeing the sequel for the possibility of seeing his face!

[Reznor]

I agree, I think Destro should be masked the entire time, with a reveal or hints in the end. Him working both sides and trying to hide it even from fans.

But, they got a known actor, and threw any chances of adding mystery to Destro out.

Iron man, imo, is the BEST way a character was handled while showing the actors face. I applaud Favreau for how he did the "Inside the helmet" cam, they were my fave moments of the movie. Unfortunately, not many characters can be treated like that and make sense like it did in Iron Man.

[Frostbite]

I agree, I think Destro should be masked the entire time, with a reveal or hints in the end. Him working both sides and trying to hide it even from fans.

But, they got a known actor, and threw any chances of adding mystery to Destro out.

Iron man, imo, is the BEST way a character was handled while showing the actors face. I applaud Favreau for how he did the "Inside the helmet" cam, they were my fave moments of the movie. Unfortunately, not many characters can be treated like that and make sense like it did in Iron Man.

Absolutely right.

Favreau did an amazing job with Iron Man. It was fresh, exciting and all pieced together nicely. I wish they had hired him for GI Joe now that I think about it.

I still remain disturbed by Brendan Frasier acting as Gung Ho and The Rock acting as Shipwreck?

Yeesh.

Anyway, Destro's face should be hidden.

I am afraid we are going to see some on-again, off-again scenes with the silver mask, which will really annoy some of us loyal fans.

Think they will mention the origin of the mask from generations of the Destro family in Scotland?

[Frostbite]

Speaking of secret identities, I know that Speed Racer was a kid's film.

*************SPOILER WARNING ABOUT THE NEW SPEED RACER MOVIE**********************

However, they did a great job changing/masking the identity of Racer X!!!!

I was REALLY vexed when he took the mask off with 20 minutes to spare, and Speed said that Racer X couldn't be his brother and that Rex was truly dead!

Some serious confusion set in until the final minute of the film, then Surprise City!

People who saw the movie know what I am talking about.

[Reznor]

To be honest, and I hope this doesnt piss off the "its just a movie, enjoy it" people, but I think that fans who like the backgrounds of the characters will be severly disappointed. The crew they got behind this had me cringing when I heard about it, and Im not talking about actors.

I dont think this will be GI Joe except for name only. So no, I severly doubt that Scotland will ever be mentioned.

The talent behind the cameras, in my opinion, will not have any insight whatsoever of the Joe-verse, other than stuff blowing up and a severe disregard of physics.

And Im one who loved Transformers. It was an solid action movie directed by a solid action director (love Bay or hate him, the man is good at blowing shit up), Sommers, in my opinion, is not a solid action director.

I think there are gonna be a crapload of "What the f..." moments from us fans, and worse so than any Transformers fanboys went through.

[Reznor]

Yeah, I heard that about Speedracer, kinda of a double wool over the eyes moment. I heard that movies a trip. Like seriously, very close to an acid trip.

[Reznor]

btw, when Im done printing out all of this crap, im gonna post my latest Destro update.

[Frostbite]

btw, when Im done printing out all of this crap, im gonna post my latest Destro update.

Cool.

Sounds good to me.

Have a great evening and get some rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reznor]

well, ive been suffering a toothache, and I had some painpills left over from the last toothache, so i popped one. Damn things keep me up all night, so Im sure ill be a zombie here in a bit, braindead but still functioning somehow.

Bsides, I gotta get a crap load of these DVDs done for a Banquet tomorrow night, it was a project dumped on my lap with very little time to do it.

Love crunch time.

[Reznor]

And if your leaving, nice chattin with ya man, love talking about movie politics and what not, its been a fun chat.

[Reznor]

Update http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13303290492.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8140544)

[MAJOR WOLF]

hmmm. intresting!!!

[Amberbratt]

I ppray to god it is a giant metal mask like that commerical and they don't do that mask that was shown here

no offense to the creator... its a 'cool idea'

but to me doesn't fit with g.i. joe....

in another series awesome.......

in g.i. joe the movie.

abomination...........

if they do something like that for destro...

gawd help them

[Reznor]

I ppray to god it is a giant metal mask like that commerical and they don't do that mask that was shown here

no offense to the creator... its a 'cool idea'

but to me doesn't fit with g.i. joe....

in another series awesome.......

in g.i. joe the movie.

abomination...........

if they do something like that for destro...

gawd help them

Don't worry, none taken. Like I said though, this would be my version of a "comprimise".

I have a real bad feeling about what we are gonna get, I hope Im wrong, but I just get this gut feeling that its not gonna turn out (in us Joe fan opinions) that good.

[Reznor]

Btw, its already known thats its not gonna be a "Giant metal mask". So...your prayers aren't gonna be answered :(

[Reznor]

Also, Amberbratt, has everything that has been shown so far "fit" in the Joe universe? They veered away from my "Joe" universe after reading the script reviews, and then turned the wrong direction in Alberqurqee (sp i know) when they started releasing pictures.

[Reznor]

Amberbratt, im still curious to know what you think of what has been released from the movie thus far.

And the work I did, its more of an idea, not a finished product, if someone was better at Photoshop then I, they could probably give you a better representation of what I got in my head, but the general idea is there, and like I said, its all about praticallity and comprimising with h-wood execs.

[CG76]

He sort of looks like the guy from the Phantom of the Opera... I prefer the classic look.

Update http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/5/13303290492.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8140544)

[Reznor]

He sort of looks like the guy from the Phantom of the Opera... I prefer the classic look.

I do too, but there are a ton of problems with trying to get his classic look in a hollywood film.

[Snake-Eyes]

Yeah but, look what they did in Spider-Man with the Green Goblin. They had a great actor like Dafoe who fit the role perfectly and they put him in that awful mask. They could have done make up effects with Dafoe to achieve the perfect look but, hollywood/Sony went with that power ranger reject mask that covered his whole face and mouth.

[Phorpus]

Yeah but, look what they did in Spider-Man with the Green Goblin. They had a great actor like Dafoe who fit the role perfectly and they put him in that awful mask. They could have done make up effects with Dafoe to achieve the perfect look but, hollywood/Sony went with that power ranger reject mask that covered his whole face and mouth.

The only problem is that most people who aren't into the comics wouldn't enjoy seeing the "classic" goblin look. It would come off as pretty creepy and weird to see the giant smile and rubbery green skin.

Not to mention the purple hat and tights.

And I don't think most people would accept the "classic" Destro look, either. Maybe they could make him have some sort of super-mechanized metal mask with layers and plates but not the old version.

[Amberbratt]

i think scarelett is ok, and snake eyes should NOT be wearing commando Pants. Stormshadow.. looks like a door man in a all white suit...... Ripcord is they guy from LiL Man/Scary Movie.
Destro looks WEIRD and had a big head.. looks like a potatoe..
Duke... Ummm "underwear model'... Baroness needs bigger boobs... and.... THank god they canceled shipwreck...

Apart from picking on the G.I. Joe movie....

I think that In all "reality" This movie is going to be the sequel to "Street fighter the movie"... ESPECIALLY after seeing Hawk and covergirl.. .same camo pattern and everything... Instant flashbacks... (I bet you they will even throw blanka and Ken/Ryu in thier somewhere.)..

SPECIAL GUEST STAR....... "MATT TRACKER"

oh boy oh boy oh boy...... :(

[Snake-Eyes]

I would still rather see the comic look. Humberto Ramos updated the Green Goblin costume a little in the comic and it would have translated to the screen fine. I was just pointing out that Hollywood has used a full mask on an actor recently that I thought sucked, but for Destro I think it would be fine, I think a full mask would work for his character.



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[STORM SHADOW]

i think you missed the whole concept of the nano-technology that allows the metal on the face move with your face muscles, so there is no need for "openenings" such as for mouth movement or ears. That mask concept looks like a huge disappointment (if it were truely being made for the movie)

[Pimp Daddy Darklon]

How about using a Guy Fawkes mask?

My take would be to direct Destro in a way like how Dr. No was first portrayed.. no face shot for now till he puts his mask on. But.... since we know who he is now, there's no thrill in doing that. Though it'll still work for non-fanboys.

[Reznor]

i think you missed the whole concept of the nano-technology that allows the metal one the face move with your face muscles, so there is no need for "openenings" such as for mouth movement or ears. That mask concept looks like a huge disappointment (if it were truely being made for the movie)

I guess nanotech to me has always been kind of a cop out with stories, kind of like using Mephisto to alter a storyline to make things work like before, if you cant figure out how to explain something, lets use nanotech.

I guess this was my way of not using nanotech.

[STORM SHADOW]

If you remember, the cartoon and Marvel run, there was no cut-out or opening for mouth movement, it just "moved".

[Reznor]

Yes, but I also remember that I was 8 years old and even at that age, I questioned how that was possible, and now I guess nanotech is the answer.

Sure it works, but I guess I just wanted something other than nanotech because it just feels like a cop out, but at the same time, theres really no other semi-valid way you can get a metal mask on a guy and even make his mouth and ears metal, and still move.

I dunno, I guess the thing I did was kind of a way to do it without having to make something up to explain it, and its a comprimise by having an actual metal (at least metal looking for film), practical device on the man, yet still give him room to act.

[Reznor]

Also, when it comes to CGI (which is what the nanotech mask would look like, I am sure), Sommers is all over the place. His CGI will go from incredible to ugly as sin in most of his movies. Like I said, I guess this is my way of keeping it practical, while saving money for CGI in more needed places.

This is all coming from a film standpoint, as well as from an oldschool fan. You have to make comprimises in film to get things to work, you have to please the fans, actors and the suits. So lets say Destro gets a full CGI nanotech mask, how often do you think they will use it? Each time you see it in action, its costing money.

Make a couple of practical masks, and your done with it.

I guess it's just me, but I would like to see Destro in the mask for a majority of the time his character is used, and I guess in my opinion, while creating the mask art, I tried to keep it as oldschool looking as I could, while actually making sense to physics.

I dont mind movies that are a little 'out there' in terms of action, but I like my movies to still carry a bit of "gravity", IE: I hate most use of wire work, and I hate wasted CGI.

But thats all my opinion. Call it an abomination, call it whatever, but to me, I would accept this as a bad ass wearing a war helmet/mask that was based off of an ancestorial (sp) family mask.

[Pimp Daddy Darklon]

I hope they have improved their CGI by now. The two mummy film's CGI reminded me of ......... CGI.

[Reznor]

I hope they have improved their CGI by now. The two mummy film's CGI reminded me of ......... CGI.



Thats exactly my worry, and if they CG Destros mask, I feel it will be used more as a gimick than a look.

Ill give Sommers credit, he took CGI to new places with the mummy, but man, his work after that just seemed all over the place. Im not real for sure what FX studio he uses (probably a mix of a couple im sure) but man, I hope he uses CGI only where needed, as I feel it should be used.

I for one, am not looking forward to a Sommer's CGI Destro mask.

[Reznor]

And what cracks me up, is there is, and will be old school fans who are divided on what they believe is the classic Destro look.

You have one side saying it should be a big metal mask on the guys head with no openings other than the eyes.

Then you got the other side saying he should be completely covered in metal but still have moving metal lips and functioning metal ears.

So, how is it even possible to please everyone?

[Reznor]

It perplexes me that my art gets called an "abomination" and being told it wouldn't fit in the Joe universe, then I see the new on-set pics of the 'battle suits' and Snake-Eyes.