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Sunbow_Joe84
12-30-2010, 05:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia7En6vGrWM
take it how you want, but it was interesting.

KingBiohazerd
12-30-2010, 05:20 AM
Ill have to check it out when I get home and get on my comp it keeps lagging on my phone

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 05:50 AM
Pssh, already been posted before. And closed or something.

CornDog_The_Ninja
12-30-2010, 06:45 AM
Christ, that was hard to listen too. Before that guy does another youtube, he should learn how to read.

villainsrule
12-30-2010, 09:31 AM
The rabbit hole goes deep...this is only the tip of the iceberg. If you rewatch the whole series you will see many odd things that go on in the episodes that have come to pass but seemed unimaginable back then. But people, for years, have been speculating at GI Joes brainwashing...I love the toys and the show but there was definitely something weird going on in the writer's mind whether the were influenced themselves or doing the influencing. We can say for sure that the writers were not in complete control as they were often handed down ideas that they were to turn into episodes.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 09:39 AM
Can't view it here, what's the gist of it?

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 09:41 AM
Can't view it here, what's the gist of it?

Crazy-ass conspiracy theory about Sunbow and the Illuminati.

crock master
12-30-2010, 09:43 AM
yawn! its like a 3rd grader reading to the classroom

Troynos
12-30-2010, 09:52 AM
Crazy-ass conspiracy theory about Sunbow and the Illuminati.

Need a bit more detail then that, lol.

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 09:55 AM
Need a bit more detail then that, lol.

Here, the video's just a guy reading this anyways.

How the Animated Series G.I. Joe Predicted Today's Illuminati Agenda | The Vigilant Citizen (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5830)

Troynos
12-30-2010, 10:00 AM
I can't watch the videos well at work. Thats why I was asking what the gist was, otherwise I would have just watched 'em :)

But would like a bit more then "sunbow and illumaniti"

How's he make the connection? Why?

OSOK
12-30-2010, 10:05 AM
ok then

Dr. Whom
12-30-2010, 10:15 AM
This article explains alot on why I do not trust the government now, the GI JOE cartoon taught me what to look for!!!

Basically the article finds connections that the GI Joe cartoon was predicting or foreshadowing the events of today.

Joe episodes on Mind control, how the corporations (EE) fund the terroristsm, american dollar soon becoming worthless as Cobra hordes the gold, etc...

OSOK
12-30-2010, 10:16 AM
i just watched the whole video and the only thing i can take from it is, the guy reading the article has never seen a tit before.

Dr. Whom
12-30-2010, 10:19 AM
Dont watch the video

just read the article
How the Animated Series G.I. Joe Predicted Today's Illuminati Agenda | The Vigilant Citizen (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5830)

ChaplainAsst
12-30-2010, 10:28 AM
Very strange. Why not go back to the 40s and look at the comics back then that predicted mind control and corrupt politicians and bad businesses? Wasn't that all found in Lex Luthor?

I'm waiting for him to explain how the golden arches are really some hidden weapon that was predicted in the Red Rocket episode.

teemu8
12-30-2010, 10:29 AM
all 100% true....just like Cobra Commander told us on 'money to burn' that the green piece of paper is FRAUD and that we have been decieved into believing it is Money.Gold and Silver is money,not paper printed out of thin air..

Troynos
12-30-2010, 10:32 AM
I could only make it halfway thru that article.

I was laughing my ass off.

Someone is really serious about this? Really?

Wow....

Damn..

I'm still laughing.

The article writer needs to get his facts straight. Pyramid of Darkness was not the first show aired. Extensive Enterprises was never said to be an American company (the twins have always been said to be from the Mediterranian) and EE was not in charge of Cobra.

It's a freaking cartoon people. The writers borrowed story ideas from all over the place.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 10:33 AM
Very strange. Why not go back to the 40s and look at the comics back then that predicted mind control and corrupt politicians and bad businesses? Wasn't that all found in Lex Luthor?

I'm waiting for him to explain how the golden arches are really some hidden weapon that was predicted in the Red Rocket episode.

No kidding. It's not like Sunbow invented these plots. They've been around for years and decades.


And the unfinished pyramid with the throne on top? It's called a "dais" and it's been around for centuries.

fireflyguy
12-30-2010, 10:36 AM
Perhaps conspiracy theories have been around a lot longer than GI Joe, and the Sunbiw writers were just tapping into some of these to make a story for entertainment. But what do I know? I'm just another brick in the wall.

I used to work with a guy who thought that the Catholics and Masons were taking over the world. Had some interesting theories. Who knows. I guess time will tell.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 10:40 AM
Perhaps conspiracy theories have been around a lot longer than GI Joe, and the Sunbiw writers were just tapping into some of these to make a story for entertainment. But what do I know? I'm just another brick in the wall.


^ This


You're writing a cartoon that stars a terrorist organization and you have to "kiddify" that organization. So that rules out real terrorist plots, so where do you get your ideas from?

Secret society conspiracies would be a fertile ground for story ideas and guess what, it was.

Dr. Whom
12-30-2010, 10:46 AM
The point of the article is that GI JOE introduced these theories to 80's children, not that GI JOE invented them. For example, Cobra tried to devalue the dollar so it's gold would be worth more. There are people out there trying to do this very thing right now.

That is how I read it anyways

Troynos
12-30-2010, 10:49 AM
The point of the article is that GI JOE introduced these theories to 80's children, not that GI JOE invented them. For example, Cobra tried to devalue the dollar so it's gold would be worth more. There are people out there trying to do this very thing right now.

That is how I read it anyways

You can find those same themes in most cartoons that were created back then and probably ones today, and ones in the 70s, etc..

Dr. Whom
12-30-2010, 10:50 AM
You can find those same themes in most cartoons that were created back then and probably ones today, and ones in the 70s, etc..

Can you cite some examples? I want to watch these episodes

Shogi
12-30-2010, 10:50 AM
The point of the article is that GI JOE introduced these theories to 80's children, not that GI JOE invented them. For example, Cobra tried to devalue the dollar so it's gold would be worth more. There are people out there trying to do this very thing right now.

That is how I read it anyways

yeah, but the same sort of thing happened in Ducktales when the boys used a duplicator raygun to make more money. So I don't think GI Joe can be fully blamed/praised for this

Troynos
12-30-2010, 10:56 AM
Can you cite some examples? I want to watch these episodes

Off the top of my head, no?

But look up at Shogis.

I could look for almost any cartoon and find things that could be suspect, promote a "illumaniti agenda", etc..

Most of it is the person looking at the stuff wants that agenda to be there so they see it even if it's not.


For this Joe stuff, someone noticed a part of it (say the dais looking like an unfinished pyramid) and they go "hey, that's kind of like the illumaniti thing" and as they are watching more something unrelated catches their eye (the money to burn thing) and they put 2 and 2 together and get 5 and say "wait a minute" and start looking at the whole show and apply their paint brush to something that wasn't there because they are trying to find it.

azoric
12-30-2010, 11:16 AM
I read an insane blog post of similar content...

Saboteur
12-30-2010, 11:16 AM
You're writing a cartoon that stars a terrorist organization and you have to "kiddify" that organization. So that rules out real terrorist plots, so where do you get your ideas from?

Secret society conspiracies would be a fertile ground for story ideas and guess what, it was.

I think this is the root explanation of all of this illuminati/joe business.

Dr. Whom
12-30-2010, 11:18 AM
they put 2 and 2 together and get 5 and say "wait a minute" and start looking at the whole show and apply their paint brush to something that wasn't there because they are trying to find it.

I would use this same argument for those that dismiss everything to be just a grand coincidence. To some, everything is a mere coincidence and nothing ever happens for a reason.

“Attention citizens! Due to the financial irresponsibility and incompetence of your leaders, Cobra has found it necessary to restructure your nation’s economy. We have begun by eliminating the worthless green paper, which your government has deceived you into believing is valuable. Cobra will come to your rescue and, out of the ashes, will arise a NEW ORDER!”

This is an obvious reference to the NEW WORLD ORDER and is the top agenda of the bilderberg group.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 11:23 AM
Just repeating:

"You're writing a cartoon that stars a terrorist organization and you have to "kiddify" that organization. So that rules out real terrorist plots, so where do you get your ideas from?

Secret society conspiracies would be a fertile ground for story ideas and guess what, it was."

I think looking at a kids cartoon as being done by a secret society to deaden the minds for future events is pretty damn far fetched.

It was entertainment. They needed story ideas. So guess where they got them from...

Irid70
12-30-2010, 11:33 AM
Perhaps conspiracy theories have been around a lot longer than GI Joe, and the Sunbiw writers were just tapping into some of these to make a story for entertainment. But what do I know? I'm just another brick in the wall.

I used to work with a guy who thought that the Catholics and Masons were taking over the world. Had some interesting theories. Who knows. I guess time will tell.

Wait, Catholics and Masons working together?

Really?

Does he know that in, say, Northern Ireland, Catholics and Masons have been killing each other for decades?

iDzBowl
12-30-2010, 11:33 AM
Man, when I started my social group I should have called it "Joe Conspiracies". Then it might not have been shut down. It's awesome that a mockery can be made of anyone decides to use free will and see the obvious, instead of buying into the propaganda that the media is told to give us... I mean.. I just figure I'll throw in my 2 cents, since this isn't locked/burned/discarded and tucked away in the back of some threatning thread warehouse.

Irid70
12-30-2010, 11:35 AM
I love how some people cling to the idea that gold and silver have inherent value. They don't. They're shiny metal. Some industrial purposes, perhaps, wiring and such. Decorative. But in practical terms, useless. Valued only because it was rare.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 11:36 AM
This'll get shut down once it goes too far down the path of politics, which is a taboo topic around here.

As long as it stays on the line of "was the joe cartoon an illuminati agenda" and doesn't go into realworld politics then it is fine.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 11:38 AM
I love how some people cling to the idea that gold and silver have inherent value. They don't. They're shiny metal. Some industrial purposes, perhaps, wiring and such. Decorative. But in practical terms, useless. Valued only because it was rare.

Right. Gold and silver have the same kind of "value" that paper money has, that being the amount that people agree it's worth.

I could paint rocks green and say "this is a Gud and it's worth 100 bucks" and as long as people agreed with me, then guess what, the Gud would be worth 100 bucks.

Simplified obviously, but it is what it is.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 11:39 AM
ugh.

Irid70
12-30-2010, 11:41 AM
Right. Gold and silver have the same kind of "value" that paper money has, that being the amount that people agree it's worth.

I could paint rocks green and say "this is a Gud and it's worth 100 bucks" and as long as people agreed with me, then guess what, the Gud would be worth 100 bucks.

Simplified obviously, but it is what it is.


Preeeecisely. Think of it as an equation of your effort, modified by your expertise, and multiplied by your time (this becomes your salary or wage). Or as a bunch of tickets redeemable for securities. It's really not that complicated.

iDzBowl
12-30-2010, 11:42 AM
I think the value of the two are different, when we run out of paper currency, we make more. I don't know about you, but I can't remember the last time someone made gold and it was worth something???

teemu8
12-30-2010, 11:46 AM
I love how some people cling to the idea that gold and silver have inherent value. They don't. They're shiny metal. Some industrial purposes, perhaps, wiring and such. Decorative. But in practical terms, useless. Valued only because it was rare.


WRONG! Gold and silver has NEVER gone bankrupt...throughout history,all paper currencies eventually FAIL! Gold and silver has been a monetary metal for over 5,000 years(it has a great history)
if you paying a attention,gold and silver has done better than any stock in the past few years...precious metals has always been a HEDGE against inflation...paper is losing it value,which causes INFLATION..which is why people are complaining about paying higher prices for things.

take the time out and seek out the truth of real money,because its certainly not paper thats printed out of thin air and backed by nothing

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 11:55 AM
This isn't gonna end well..

Shogi
12-30-2010, 12:01 PM
I think the value of the two are different, when we run out of paper currency, we make more. I don't know about you, but I can't remember the last time someone made gold and it was worth something???

What about plastic?

Why is a Flagg mast cap worth way more than a blank CD? There's more plastic in the blank CD that there is in the mast cap.

Simply put, value is in the eye of the beholder. When it comes to money, we just all agree on the value of a certain paper bill than another one.

BTW, not only is more paper money made, but a lot is also destroyed to balance things out

ScarecrowMan666
12-30-2010, 12:06 PM
I never realized that there might be a hidden agenda behind the old joe cartoon. But now that I look at it, that's exactly what Cobra was/is to this day a shadow government, just like the Illuminati. Take what's going on with Cobra in Pursuit of Cobra right now. You're seeing more realistic cobra troopers, things that in all actuality a shadow government would probably use. The shock trooper, the alley viper, the jungle viper. Also of note, is how Cobra is being portrayed in Renegades. Starting out as a corrupt corporation...The Illuminati are known to own many corrupt corporations, such as banks for example. I've already heard talk of an international bank. Perhaps it's just the lack of sleep, but this really made me think.

coreystinson
12-30-2010, 12:10 PM
Valued only because it was rare.

Which is pretty much the dictionary definition of material value.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:11 PM
This isn't gonna end well..



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_60F-2L6IOHw/S19XJpK3BrI/AAAAAAAAASg/-LBS_bLs-gU/s320/freemason+porn+-+power+-+new+world+order+sex+porn+-+power+-+might++dollar+bill+-+symbolism+-+symbols+-+sacred+-+star+of+david+-+five+pointed+star+-+pentagram+-+idolotry+-+idols+bible+-+numerology.jpg

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:11 PM
I never realized that there might be a hidden agenda behind the old joe cartoon. But now that I look at it, that's exactly what Cobra was/is to this day a shadow government, just like the Illuminati. Take what's going on with Cobra in Pursuit of Cobra right now. You're seeing more realistic cobra troopers, things that in all actuality a shadow government would probably use. The shock trooper, the alley viper, the jungle viper. Also of note, is how Cobra is being portrayed in Renegades. Starting out as a corrupt corporation...The Illuminati are known to own many corrupt corporations, such as banks for example. I've already heard talk of an international bank. Perhaps it's just the lack of sleep, but this really made me think.

the further you go down the rabbit hole...the more things become clear.The Illuminati are real and do exist....a New World Order is at the brink...even political leaders have declared for a NWO and One world government....and yes most corporations,and banks are ran and controlled by the elite....Many people will laugh because they are ignorant and uninformed...but people are slowly waking up...keep the sunglasses on

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:12 PM
YouTube - THEY LIVE, WE SLEEP (The Illuminati System) Part 1 of 3 (from DrFreemason Channel) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy-2rQRNHZ8)

watch all 3 parts

ScarecrowMan666
12-30-2010, 12:13 PM
the further you go down the rabbit hole...the more things become clear.The Illuminati are real and do exist....a New World Order is at the brink...even political leaders have declared for a NWO and One world government....and yes most corporations,and banks are ran and controlled by the elite....Many people will laugh because they are ignorant and uninformed...but people are slowly waking up...keep the sunglasses on

Just out of curiousity have you seen Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura? It's amazing stuff.

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:15 PM
Just out of curiousity have you seen Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura? It's amazing stuff.

yep...have seen every episode from the beginning...

Irid70
12-30-2010, 12:19 PM
Oh, gentlemen, please do keep it coming. Endlessly entertaining.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:20 PM
11, 13 and 33: The Illuminati / Freemason Signature (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/13_33_freemason_sig.htm)


DAIRY QUEEN = LIZARD PEOPLE

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:21 PM
Oh, gentlemen, please do keep it coming. Endlessly entertaining.

a typical comment from the uninformed

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 12:24 PM
Whatever, as long as freemason's don't hurt anyone...

ScarecrowMan666
12-30-2010, 12:24 PM
a typical comment from the uninformed

Some don't want to see it, so they won't. It's easier to say that it isn't happening than it is to open yourself up to the things that are really going on around you. It's a scary concept, so I can understand why some people wouldn't want to think about it.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 12:24 PM
a typical comment from the uninformed

Irid70 is anything but uninformed.

i wouldn't go there if i was you.

caveat.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:26 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090809135357/x-files/images/thumb/6/6a/Peter_Watts_%281996%29.jpg/200px-Peter_Watts_%281996%29.jpg

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:26 PM
Irid70 is anything but uninformed.

i wouldn't go there if i was you.

caveat.

oh yeah? he knows everything about G.I.Joe I guess???

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:27 PM
Some don't want to see it, so they won't. It's easier to say that it isn't happening than it is to open yourself up to the things that are really going on around you. It's a scary concept, so I can understand why some people wouldn't want to think about it.

you said it friend....so true!

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:28 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2007/06/johnfromcin-three.jpg

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 12:29 PM
oh yeah? he knows everything about G.I.Joe I guess???

i don't know him that well to speak on his behalf. he does seem like a well informed collector. his blog is pretty damn cool. i dig his writing style.

on a level of respect, he is a very cool dude who doesn't start shit with people unless he feels people are seriously being stupid.

even then i think he exercises more control than many of us.

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 12:29 PM
oh yeah? he knows everything about G.I.Joe I guess???

He probably knows everything about your mom.

Irid70
12-30-2010, 12:30 PM
teemu8, I'm not going to bother arguing, pointing out your logical fallacies, or trying to explain anything to you. I am here for pure entertainment value, and nobody's paying me to parse your statements or try to educate you. For what it's worth, part of my professional life involves trying to get teenagers and young adults to understand the ways they are manipulated by the media. But once you start trying to add the Illuminati and the Masons and all the other conspiracy nonsense it becomes ridiculous. The media pursues profit and manipulates people to that end, which is bad enough in itself. But I'm not going off into fantasyland with the Illuminati and the Masons and all that other nonsense.

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:31 PM
He probably knows everything about your mom.

wow! do you live in a trailer park?

Sunbow_Joe84
12-30-2010, 12:31 PM
i may have started a great debate with my simple post. i found the video while search for any new information on a G.I. Joe movie sequel. I thought was interesting to say the least as parts of it make a little sense to a point.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 12:31 PM
this thread is interesting in that it addresses conspiracy theories.

while i am not opposed to the discussion of said theories, i do sense that "believers are going to believe," so there can truly be no progressive discussion.

they become pep rallies.

ScarecrowMan666
12-30-2010, 12:31 PM
Gentlemen, let's not start anything ugly here. There's no need for that.

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 12:33 PM
wow! do you live in a trailer park?

Nope, I'm just a young tanker stirring up some shit.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:33 PM
http://c3.ac-postto.myspacecdn.com/postto01/2/48d18c92255742b08398056fc724df4d/l.jpg

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:35 PM
teemu8, I'm not going to bother arguing, pointing out your logical fallacies, or trying to explain anything to you. I am here for pure entertainment value, and nobody's paying me to parse your statements or try to educate you. For what it's worth, part of my professional life involves trying to get teenagers and young adults to understand the ways they are manipulated by the media. But once you start trying to add the Illuminati and the Masons and all the other conspiracy nonsense it becomes ridiculous. The media pursues profit and manipulates people to that end, which is bad enough in itself. But I'm not going off into fantasyland with the Illuminati and the Masons and all that other nonsense.

whats illogical about it? all you have to do is research it

what is fallacy about precious metals vs paper? I am educated on the truth....you more than welcome to believe that paper(that is printed out of thin air)is money....its not nonsense in the least bit....its just your ignorant to hear another side of it vs what you been TAUGHT all your life

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:36 PM
i may have started a great debate with my simple post. i found the video while search for any new information on a G.I. Joe movie sequel. I thought was interesting to say the least as parts of it make a little sense to a point.

I am glad you posted it

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 12:36 PM
paper(that is printed out of thin air)

That's not true. Paper comes from trees.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:37 PM
The Quaid Conspiracy | Vanity Fair (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2011/01/quaid-201101)

teemu8
12-30-2010, 12:38 PM
That's not true. Paper comes from trees.

lol true...but money is endless...as the fed prints it at will

Angry.Android
12-30-2010, 12:39 PM
<---- is waiting for the banhammer!

luigi
12-30-2010, 12:41 PM
Crazy-ass conspiracy theory about Sunbow and the Illuminati.

there is a artical for that i think

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 12:43 PM
there is a artical for that i think

Yes, this whole thread is about that.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:46 PM
<---- is waiting for the banhammer!

hisstank sideways is Stash Ink... I can only assume that has to do with printing money.

Irid70
12-30-2010, 12:47 PM
see the star and the snake.... 2+1+5= 8 which is infinity sideways which
or may... Um... 2+1-... Er hang on... 215 is er... 2-1+5=6 and ... Ok and hisstank sideways is stash ink... I can only assume that has to do with printing money.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:and9gcszlyv1p6qzybhh1dn7lo4i9c6eoi6s4 eovygirflurwinsmd2p

bwahahahha.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:49 PM
bwahahahha.


oh good you quoted me. I was typing so fast I cut and pasted a small portion instead of copy and pasted and lost most of my post.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 12:49 PM
i hate when he edits his own posts before i can respond!!

spontaneous prose, dear Gyre.

just go with it.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 12:50 PM
i hate when he edits his own posts before i can respond!!

spontaneous prose, dear Gyre.

just go with it.


that edit (this time) wasn't intentional. I was typing and cutting and pasting too fast and didn't mean to submit.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 12:50 PM
oh good you quoted me. I was typing so fast I cut and pasted a small portion instead of copy and pasted and lost most of my post.

err. never mind.

who edits story, anyway? as if that pays.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 12:51 PM
this thread needs spam.

i'm convinced.

RenHoek
12-30-2010, 12:53 PM
YouTube - Monty Python - Spam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE)

Irid70
12-30-2010, 12:56 PM
But Spam is part of THEIR PLOT. It's fatty deliciousness gets you hooked and then, slowly, the accretion of nitrates in your tissue becomes a reactant to the beams they broadcast using reverse engineered Atlantean mind control technology and makes you more receptive to their suggestions.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 12:57 PM
I love how conspiracists called everyone who doesn't believe what they believe to be "uninformed".

Anyone with half a brain knows thats not true. There are just as many uninformed conspiracists are there are those that don't believe in all that stuff.

Everyone has an open mind. It's just a question of what you choose to believe from the evidence presented.

It's all opinion.

Unless the guy in charge of the shadow government ever becomes public or anything is acknowledged as fact, then both sides are just forming opinions.

No more, no less.

Some choose to believe. Some don't.


But this thread is making me laugh.

My issue/problem/concern with alot of people that believe in this stuff is that they start looking for conspiracies where there isn't any (sunbow for example) and start inventing them or interpreting things in a way that make their theories correct to them.


Going back to that money thing again. I could use it in one of my stories but does that mean I'm pursueing or talking about an Illuminati agenda? No, it just means I was looking for an interesting hook to use as the plot for the story. No more, no less.

Of course someone could then read it and say that it's promoting an Illuminatus agenda, even though it wasn't.

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 01:02 PM
life is fodder for writing.

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 01:04 PM
If the conspiracy is a conspiracy than the conspiracy is a conspiracy.
It's really that simple.

Weezus
12-30-2010, 01:39 PM
i wrote a paper on this subject years ago.

sadly i dont have a copy anymore

my paper was waaaay more in depth than this.

this is laughably bad.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 01:46 PM
Now that I think about it...

They are right, there is a conspiracy behind the Sunbow stuff...

EXCEPT..

It's not promoting pro-Illuminati ideas, it's promoting anti-illuminati ideas.

The people that want to do away with paper money? Defeated at the end and the pro-paper money people win.

The people that want to mind control the world? They lose.

The people that sit on top of unfinished pyramids and in temples? They lose.

Weezus
12-30-2010, 01:49 PM
Now that I think about it...

They are right, there is a conspiracy behind the Sunbow stuff...

EXCEPT..

It's not promoting pro-Illuminati ideas, it's promoting anti-illuminati ideas.

The people that want to do away with paper money? Defeated at the end and the pro-paper money people win.

The people that want to mind control the world? They lose.

The people that sit on top of unfinished pyramids and in temples? They lose.

right, i think the story writers were aware of conspiracies and integrated them into the show but its been proven censors dont pay much attention to childrens television programs so things like this slip through.

whats more revealing about this is how gijoe are terrorists in renegades and cobra represents the big businesses and banking systems controlling the media.

its definately there. but i doubt its illuminati influences, i do think its very much the opposite.

Troynos
12-30-2010, 01:55 PM
I think it's just people using these conspiracy ideas as foundation for entertaining stories. Nothing more, nothing less.

And my post was meant to be sarcastic.

CVdelgado
12-30-2010, 02:39 PM
so many people waste their time on nonsense or things that are impossible to prove speculating their hearts out, but refuse to engage in a simple institutional analysis that explains most of today's social phenomena very easily with mountains of supporting evidence.

Troynos mentioned its about entertainment. yeah thats it i guess.

meanwhile those conducting simple institutional analysis get lumped together with the "conspiracy theorists" by the pundits on major media outlets.

this is detrimental as just another means for the masses to feel comfortable avoiding serious discussion of the most pressing issues of our time.

and thats kinda how i wound up here collecting joes...

Cobra80
12-30-2010, 02:49 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_60F-2L6IOHw/S19XJpK3BrI/AAAAAAAAASg/-LBS_bLs-gU/s320/freemason+porn+-+power+-+new+world+order+sex+porn+-+power+-+might++dollar+bill+-+symbolism+-+symbols+-+sacred+-+star+of+david+-+five+pointed+star+-+pentagram+-+idolotry+-+idols+bible+-+numerology.jpg

Gyre, it took me a minute to figure out what the picture was in the bottom right corner. I have a Whirlwind coming soon from a cool Tanker. Wow, that must be one of the nicest looking Ross stores. A stone facade building. :)

Jatta Pake
12-30-2010, 03:01 PM
Gold is money, people. It's not like they can DIG IT OUT OF THE GROUND and make more!

Seriously, though, my sister is an executive for an international gold mining company. She is getting rich with this bubble. Keep buying gold so I keep getting cool gifts from her!

Sadly the focus of the conspiracy is NOT to expose the Illuminati. It is to divert our attention from the true threat: ZOMBIES! Bank failures, unemployment, riots, gold, black Presidents, leaking Wikis - they all cloud the true danger. The ZOMBIE infestation has begun and we are all doomed!

IDW has been secretly revealing the truth for months. Prepare while you still can and before IDW loses the Joe license!

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 09:41 PM
YouTube - Day Trading / Stock Market, It's All Programmed -1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENxP5LhcFak&feature=player_embedded)

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 10:02 PM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2913/d18154503704.jpg

YouTube - Zapp & Roger - More Bounce To The Ounce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK6wOG_aDl8&feature=related)

Gyre-Viper
12-30-2010, 10:05 PM
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2913/d18154503704.jpg

YouTube - Zapp & Roger - More Bounce To The Ounce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK6wOG_aDl8&feature=related)





YouTube - Pepsi Subliminal Message (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyWQSrPswCY)

Unclassified
12-30-2010, 10:09 PM
i just watched the whole video and the only thing i can take from it is, the guy reading the article has never seen a tit before.

haha.... awesome.. i didn't watch the vid, but loved this post ...

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 10:11 PM
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3408/510015736cwhyhzfs468040.jpg

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 10:13 PM
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3408/510015736cwhyhzfs468040.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/522/2318861980077771714xekc.jpg

fhersanke
12-30-2010, 10:13 PM
some knows the one from coca cola label the racist one ?

SH0CKWAVE
12-30-2010, 10:15 PM
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/522/2318861980077771714xekc.jpg

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7849/l6af1cc942191c34e209165.jpg

OSOK
12-30-2010, 10:15 PM
haha.... awesome.. i didn't watch the vid, but loved this post ...
hahaha :)

villainsrule
12-31-2010, 09:49 AM
I've got your back Teemu. People can laugh off conspiracies and those who believe in them. But there are always two sides to every coin. While you may believe we have gone off the deep for believing in them, we see you as believing your perception of the world as being the true one and your disbelief that something could be going on that either you couldn't understand or can't believe is unfathomable. Perhaps you should open your mind and question whether there is even a shred of truth to this conspiracy rather than laughing it off and reassuring yourself that you know the real "truth."

crock master
12-31-2010, 10:00 AM
I've got your back Teemu. People can laugh off conspiracies and those who believe in them. But there are always two sides to every coin. While you may believe we have gone off the deep for believing in them, we see you as believing your perception of the world as being the true one and your disbelief that something could be going on that either you couldn't understand or can't believe is unfathomable. Perhaps you should open your mind and question whether there is even a shred of truth to this conspiracy rather than laughing it off and reassuring yourself that you know the real "truth."

that right there is the real conspiracy. those of you who actually read this.

samantha
12-31-2010, 10:08 AM
A very silly video.

villainsrule
12-31-2010, 10:11 AM
that right there is the real conspiracy. those of you who actually read this.

You're right, your grasp upon reality is absolute, you could never possibly be wrong. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

SNAKE_EYES1975
12-31-2010, 10:15 AM
this will be filed with the other useless, and worthless conspiracy ideas such as..

Nostradomus
Bermuda triangle
Bible code
Anti American 911 conspiracy crap

But UFOs are REAL. I seen one with 7 of my friends, and Bigfoot is real. I havent seen bigfoot, but he looks ALOT like Chewbacca, and he's cool, so Im really hopin we see a news story someday "big foot turns himself in for prize money"

Shogi
12-31-2010, 10:25 AM
Honestly, I find it hilarious when people start talking about the Media Agenda and how the news skews things to make someone think a certain way.......HILARIOUS, seriously. I know because I work in the media......seriously, you're giving them WAY too much credit :)

I've had reporters tell me how they are seriously making life decisions based on what happens in celebrities' lives (IE: If so & so couldn't make their marriage work, how can I expect mine to work?) and for being in a profession of "communications" no one actually talks to each other. Just like in most office situations, the right hand is making changes that affect the left hand, while it's making other changes that almost stop the brain from working and the brain is stuck there making all the asinine decisions kinda work out with the few scrap of info it gleans off from water cooler talk

Media agenda? Really!? I call BS :D

Gyre-Viper
12-31-2010, 10:39 AM
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Well, that confirms that suspicion.

Weezus
12-31-2010, 12:01 PM
http://www.outregallery.com/images/products/ni-phobia-thats-all-very-interesting.jpg

teemu8
12-31-2010, 12:59 PM
I've got your back Teemu. People can laugh off conspiracies and those who believe in them. But there are always two sides to every coin. While you may believe we have gone off the deep for believing in them, we see you as believing your perception of the world as being the true one and your disbelief that something could be going on that either you couldn't understand or can't believe is unfathomable. Perhaps you should open your mind and question whether there is even a shred of truth to this conspiracy rather than laughing it off and reassuring yourself that you know the real "truth."

thanks bro...anytime your dealing with the uninformed, mainstream loving public..your gonna get people that will laugh at you..but in the end,they will have to learn the hard way.Most people love their slavery and serving their masters

Shogi
12-31-2010, 01:14 PM
Well, that confirms that suspicion.

Dammit! How'd you know the cipher? :D

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
12-31-2010, 01:16 PM
I'm not gonna say there isn't conspiricy theories, but I will say I don't think Joe predicted anything.

Mind control is an old story device and goes back to times when people told tales of evil spirits controlling ones body.

Same with stories of occultism which I assume is the Phantom Brigade episode.

As for money to burn...again its not unusual for one one goverment falls a new one will issue new money, nor is it odd for people to fall back on precious metals as a valuable in such situations....again this is all just cases of writers drawing on past life actuall situations.

The same for celebrities being used as figure heads to further a political religous agenda in fact those entities activelt recruit notables because of that status will bring their messages to a larger amount of people.




Ladies and gentlemen....G.I. Joe did not predict ANYTHING...it just reflected the situations that already existed.

ChaplainAsst
12-31-2010, 01:39 PM
Look, let me just take a moment and insert some common sense: There will never be a New World Order. Why? The same logic behind these conspiracy theories: people want to take advantage of one another. Every group that declares a NWO (New World Order) really wants to be on top of the NWO. You can get all the media leaders together to discuss strategy, but in the end, money rules the day and if Time Warner can make a buck over Disney, they will throw away the deal in a heart beat and say, "It's only business." Oil and Drug cartels are often ineffective because they all want to make more money than the other guy, so they undermine agreements when they get a chance to make more. Avarice is the root of all evil, and at the very least, the cause for why no global conspiracy will ever work - particularly in a world where the internet exists and in a nation where tabloids pay a lot of money for whistleblowers to share their stories and free speech is the rule of law.

villainsrule
12-31-2010, 01:44 PM
Look, let me just take a moment and insert some common sense: There will never be a New World Order. Why? The same logic behind these conspiracy theories: people want to take advantage of one another. Every group that declares a NWO (New World Order) really wants to be on top of the NWO. You can get all the media leaders together to discuss strategy, but in the end, money rules the day and if Time Warner can make a buck over Disney, they will throw away the deal in a heart beat and say, "It's only business." Oil and Drug cartels are often ineffective because they all want to make more money than the other guy, so they undermine agreements when they get a chance to make more. Avarice is the root of all evil, and at the very least, the cause for why no global conspiracy will ever work - particularly in a world where the internet exists and in a nation where tabloids pay a lot of money for whistleblowers to share their stories and free speech is the rule of law.

But you raise a very interesting point. There will always be those who seek power. People think that there is not evil force in this country trying to control the people, why, because it sounds farfetched. But if history has taught us anything, there will always be evil people trying to control the world. Just because we think were in some civilized age doesn't mean there aren't people lurking in the shadows waiting to seize power. People laughed when Hitler first tried rising to power and look how that turned out. And as for a little FYI, the shadow government is fact, not fiction. You can even look it up as it is now open to the public as a part of the continuity of government.

villainsrule
12-31-2010, 01:45 PM
thanks bro...anytime your dealing with the uninformed, mainstream loving public..your gonna get people that will laugh at you..but in the end,they will have to learn the hard way.Most people love their slavery and serving their masters

No problem. I hate reading comments where people sound all cocky like they've got life all figured out. HELLO! People have been trying to figure out life since the dawn of time and no one knows anything for sure. So quiet down unless you've reached nirvana or something and have some enlightening information to share with us peons.

darthfoley
12-31-2010, 02:01 PM
Far and away the most entertaining HT thread in a loooooong time.

Soylent green is people.

THALASTDRAGON
12-31-2010, 02:12 PM
i got tha link off tha first page, ima read it later when i get time. and check out that video, but tha way people describe his reading, idk if i wanna do that lol.

Sunbow_Joe84
12-31-2010, 02:13 PM
what have I done?

Gyre-Viper
12-31-2010, 02:14 PM
Far and away the most entertaining HT thread in a loooooong time.

Soylent green is people.



YouTube - Millennium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GlJSU6KecY)

Mercenary696
12-31-2010, 02:19 PM
Soviet Subversion

Yuri Bezmenov

YouTube - G. Edward Griffin Interview Of Yuri Bezmenov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS8LA-5fmrs)

haradrel
12-31-2010, 02:26 PM
Honestly, I find it hilarious when people start talking about the Media Agenda and how the news skews things to make someone think a certain way.......HILARIOUS, seriously. I know because I work in the media......seriously, you're giving them WAY too much credit :)


Wow. You work in the media and claim there is no Agenda?
As someone not American, I debate on facebook with my American friends when they post links of interviews and whatnot.
And it's quite clear that every single channel has their own strong political view and hold to those ideas very tightly.

I'm sorry but media is not objective any more, there is always an agenda, if you claim to actually work inside of this and not be aware of it, then you really need to see the connections behind the assignments from whoever you work for.

There is an agenda there - most of it is to make money out of entertainment.

Anyways, the illuminati thing and the rest - For all of you who believe that go "you are uninformed" to the ones that don't believe - wouldn't it be exactly the same the other way around? Seeing as there are tons of evidence of something else on the "normal" view of things.

I'm not saying there isn't conspiracies here and there - but in this day and age when we are being bombarded with information from everywhere, and it is at our fingertips, it's normal human behavior to try and sort it out and make sense of it.
Some people go a bit to far and see connections that simply are not there.

I'll put up the movie: 23 with Jim Carry in it for reference. If you focus hard enough, you will see what you want to see no matter what is shown, it is again human nature.

luigi
12-31-2010, 02:38 PM
Honestly, I find it hilarious when people start talking about the Media Agenda and how the news skews things to make someone think a certain way.......HILARIOUS, seriously. I know because I work in the media......seriously, you're giving them WAY too much credit :)

I've had reporters tell me how they are seriously making life decisions based on what happens in celebrities' lives (IE: If so & so couldn't make their marriage work, how can I expect mine to work?) and for being in a profession of "communications" no one actually talks to each other. Just like in most office situations, the right hand is making changes that affect the left hand, while it's making other changes that almost stop the brain from working and the brain is stuck there making all the asinine decisions kinda work out with the few scrap of info it gleans off from water cooler talk

Media agenda? Really!? I call BS :D

are you in the inner circle?
if you are then maybe ur right
but i think it is the high exc. that have the agenda

Shogi
12-31-2010, 02:39 PM
I'm paraphrasing your quote, but...

Wow. You work in the media and claim there is no Agenda?

There is an agenda there - most of it is to make money out of entertainment.


If this is the big agenda, we might as well claim everyone has an agenda and is out for their own.

McDonald's has an agenda to make americans fat....and to make money

K-Mart has an agenda to not go out of business....and to make money

I have an agenda to slack off by being on Hisstank....and to make money while doing it :D

AGENDA ACHIEVED!

Shogi
12-31-2010, 02:45 PM
are you in the inner circle?
if you are then maybe ur right
but i think it is the high exc. that have the agenda

I still claim people give them too much credit.

Here's another snippit from my media past:

A station I once worked at was located in the middle of a big city in the north. Now, whenever it snowed around here, the roads in the city got cleared pretty quickly, but the suburbs would be blocked off for weeks at a time. We would run stories every year about how the snow plows can't get out to the suburb areas for another month or so.

Now, knowing that, the higher ups were seriously considering building a new station (we were currently renting space in the city) out in the sticks. Apparently they were not considering what would happen after the first snowfall and no one could make it to the station.

It's things like this that I see everyday that make me say conspiracy theorists give the media way too much credit

kneroh
12-31-2010, 02:50 PM
Payload's moon landing was fake and Scoop propagated the lies through his subversive heavy-handed fanzine to further the Jugglers' hidden agenda.

That stuff about Shipwreck and Torpedo though... that's all true.

Lantern_Lad
12-31-2010, 03:07 PM
Bored me in the first 11 seconds.

luigi
12-31-2010, 03:12 PM
Bored me in the first 11 seconds.

me first 3 seconds

Mercenary696
12-31-2010, 03:19 PM
When it all comes down to it, it really all about the golden rule - the one with the gold makes the rules.

Reading through all these comments is funny. Some people say they got it figured out and some people say it's all bullshit. Truth is in the eye of the beholder. It's near impossible to convince someone of your point of view. Much like the concept of good and evil, good and evil are just points of view. The truth doesn't matter. People with money and power that make the major decisions - that is what matters. If you don't have lots of money and political influence, you opinions don't matter.

In a hundred years, who is going to care anyways, right?

Anyways, back to the important stuff of the world. Who likes collecting G.I. JOE?

Occam
12-31-2010, 03:23 PM
Wow. This again? Really?

CVdelgado
12-31-2010, 03:24 PM
george bush I already declared the new world order. thats old news.

just sayin... ; )

Look, let me just take a moment and insert some common sense: There will never be a New World Order. Why? The same logic behind these conspiracy theories: people want to take advantage of one another. Every group that declares a NWO (New World Order) really wants to be on top of the NWO. You can get all the media leaders together to discuss strategy, but in the end, money rules the day and if Time Warner can make a buck over Disney, they will throw away the deal in a heart beat and say, "It's only business." Oil and Drug cartels are often ineffective because they all want to make more money than the other guy, so they undermine agreements when they get a chance to make more. Avarice is the root of all evil, and at the very least, the cause for why no global conspiracy will ever work - particularly in a world where the internet exists and in a nation where tabloids pay a lot of money for whistleblowers to share their stories and free speech is the rule of law.

CVdelgado
12-31-2010, 03:26 PM
bingo. but thats just it, its not a conspiracy its just the way the institutions function.

I'm paraphrasing your quote, but...



If this is the big agenda, we might as well claim everyone has an agenda and is out for their own.

McDonald's has an agenda to make americans fat....and to make money

K-Mart has an agenda to not go out of business....and to make money

I have an agenda to slack off by being on Hisstank....and to make money while doing it :D

AGENDA ACHIEVED!

CVdelgado
12-31-2010, 03:28 PM
here we go, no shadow government necessary. money controls access to our political process. no conspiracy necessary.

When it all comes down to it, it really all about the golden rule - the one with the gold makes the rules.

kneroh
12-31-2010, 03:31 PM
go on

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:blq-e-aBOQsOqM:http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/narcbliss/0653_homer-eating-popcorn-small-c78.jpg&t=1

CVdelgado
12-31-2010, 03:33 PM
go on

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:blq-e-aBOQsOqM:http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m198/narcbliss/0653_homer-eating-popcorn-small-c78.jpg&t=1

that is sweet. : )

Sector_15
12-31-2010, 03:38 PM
Just seen this on the David Icke website (where I go for my fruit loop fix). Conspiracies are everywhere for them.

Occam
12-31-2010, 03:52 PM
Wow, I forgat all about David Icke. That guy is crazier than a shit house rat. Him and Alex Jones once appeared on the same stage together for some seminar or convention and everyones head that was in the room just exploded! It's true. Everyone who worked at the hotel who had to clean up the mess reported that it had actually happened. When the attempt was made to contact them for further interviews on the matter, it was found that they all had died under strange circumstances later that afternoon.

sonofdestro
12-31-2010, 03:55 PM
I have been saying that He-Man pushed the gay agenda for years. Giving little boys buff shirtless dudes to play with was an obvious attempt to turn them gay.:D

haradrel
01-02-2011, 06:24 AM
I'm paraphrasing your quote, but...



If this is the big agenda, we might as well claim everyone has an agenda and is out for their own.


Did you read the rest of my post saying that the various channels on American TV are usually connected to a political party/ideology?

Making money is an Agenda by the way, I know we're talking about conspiracies here, but I was pointing out that news has been less objective in the hunt for money then it should be.

CVdelgado
01-02-2011, 06:26 AM
Did you read the rest of my post saying that the various channels on American TV are usually connected to a political party/ideology?

Making money is an Agenda by the way, I know we're talking about conspiracies here, but I was pointing out that news has been less objective in the hunt for money then it should be.

its political kaubuki in the media and in washington.

bluesparrow
01-02-2011, 07:14 AM
I still claim people give them too much credit.

Here's another snippit from my media past:

A station I once worked at was located in the middle of a big city in the north. Now, whenever it snowed around here, the roads in the city got cleared pretty quickly, but the suburbs would be blocked off for weeks at a time. We would run stories every year about how the snow plows can't get out to the suburb areas for another month or so.

Now, knowing that, the higher ups were seriously considering building a new station (we were currently renting space in the city) out in the sticks. Apparently they were not considering what would happen after the first snowfall and no one could make it to the station.

It's things like this that I see everyday that make me say conspiracy theorists give the media way too much credit

That's hilarious! I work in TV right now too and the idea that the media skews its coverage to fit some bizarre conspiratorial agenda is ludicrous to me. The reporters are just people who wanted to be on tv, and are desperate for any story that they can use in their resume tapes or to get some publicity for when they move to a larger market. That's their driving goal for the most part. Most of the time they're surfing US Weekly's website.

Here's another story about how great these master media manipulating corporations are at planning things out: at my station, the bathroom toilets are completely powered by electricity. So if the power goes out(and it does once or twice a year), we have a backup generator - that doesn't power the bathrooms. So earlier this year we didn't have working bathrooms in our building for ohhh 4 days. We'd have to drive down to the Taco Bell. Their bathrooms worked.

I tend not to believe a single conspiracy theory that purports to involve more than a couple of dozen people. Because the more people involved, the more likely the entire thing would completely collapse, or be exposed. Why? Because most people are lazy idiots. You can have all the money in the world, but you can't help but end up hiring lazy morons for most of your empty positions. Look at Microsoft, or Sony. When Sony launched the Walkman mp3 player, they had another division working on a mp3 store to sell music for the players. Trouble is, the audio format they chose wouldn't play on the Walkman player! There's dozens of examples like this at large corporations. These are organizations that barely function, and they're considered to be SUCCESSFUL.

haradrel
01-02-2011, 07:35 AM
That's hilarious! I work in TV right now too and the idea that the media skews its coverage to fit some bizarre conspiratorial agenda is ludicrous to me.

Just a question:
Do you not get assignments from the station or channel that you are attached to?
If so, are they not skewed to promote the interest of said station or channel?

Zefram
01-02-2011, 08:06 AM
What a time to be without sarcastic pictures.

99% of the conspiracy theories out there are bullshit, and here's why. It relies upon the existence of a hyper-competent government where nobody ever blows the whistle, sells their story to a tabloid, blabs after getting shit-faced, or just plain f***s up. You know, like how people do in the real world? As in where we actually live as opposed to some BS fantasy land where everyone is out to get you and control your actions.

The question none of these people can ever answer is "why?". Who would anybody want to control my actions? Physical labor? Amusement? Anal sex? Why control people?

Money?

News flash, that's what commercials were invented for, and it's not some big conspiracy if everyone knows about it.

Conspiracy theories are seductive because it gives people the false illusion that they are somehow more informed than their neighbor, and even more importantly, it reassures them that our government, even if evil, are at least competent instead of the bunch of f***ing petty, bickering idiots that they really are.

villainsrule
01-02-2011, 08:56 AM
What a time to be without sarcastic pictures.

99% of the conspiracy theories out there are bullshit, and here's why. It relies upon the existence of a hyper-competent government where nobody ever blows the whistle, sells their story to a tabloid, blabs after getting shit-faced, or just plain f***s up. You know, like how people do in the real world? As in where we actually live as opposed to some BS fantasy land where everyone is out to get you and control your actions.

The question none of these people can ever answer is "why?". Who would anybody want to control my actions? Physical labor? Amusement? Anal sex? Why control people?

Money?

News flash, that's what commercials were invented for, and it's not some big conspiracy if everyone knows about it.

Conspiracy theories are seductive because it gives people the false illusion that they are somehow more informed than their neighbor, and even more importantly, it reassures them that our government, even if evil, are at least competent instead of the bunch of f***ing petty, bickering idiots that they really are.

Not true at all. There are always whistleblowers. The government is compartmentalized so you'd have to focus on certain divisions if you want to discuss who comes out. Maybe some conspiracy believers do assume that they are all connected, but each conspiracy kind of stands alone. But I can name you various conspiracies that have whistleblowers including JFK, Roswell, and 9/11. The real question is whether people will even believe them, which most don't. Also people do sell their stories to tabloids, but who on earth would believe anything written in those true or not? Also the government doesn't need to be competent, just a few people at the top, and many, many secrets are kept for years by the government until they are later discovered like the Manhattan Project, stealth bomber programs, etc. So it is naive to believe the government can't keep a secret if they want to. Also it depends on the employees. My grandfather worked for the government (airforce research) in the 50s and 60s and he NEVER said a word about anything he did for his whole life until he died. And he was only maybe medium level on the totem pole.

Troynos
01-02-2011, 11:04 AM
Just a question:
Do you not get assignments from the station or channel that you are attached to?
If so, are they not skewed to promote the interest of said station or channel?

Of course, but that's not a conspiracy, it's simple business.

It takes money to run a station. That money has to come from somewhere. So of course you're going to skew you coverage to promote the interest of the people that give you money.

And can even take money out of it and just say the channel skews towards the interest of the people that run the station.

How is that a conspiracy? It's simple business.

haradrel
01-02-2011, 11:12 AM
Of course, but that's not a conspiracy, it's simple business.

It takes money to run a station. That money has to come from somewhere. So of course you're going to skew you coverage to promote the interest of the people that give you money.

And can even take money out of it and just say the channel skews towards the interest of the people that run the station.

How is that a conspiracy? It's simple business.

Nono I'm not crying conspiracy, I'm saying they have an Agenda.
A political one at that.

Gyre-Viper
01-02-2011, 11:15 AM
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minstrelboy
01-02-2011, 11:27 AM
Conspiracy theories are seductive because it gives people the false illusion that they are somehow more informed than their neighbor, and even more importantly, it reassures them that our government, even if evil, are at least competent instead of the bunch of f***ing petty, bickering idiots that they really are.

True. So true.

People will believe anything if you can back up your b.s. with some mildly plausible facts, because if they even have the imagination to question your b.s., most people go straight to the internet to check their facts.

That, and human beings have this disproportionate ability of self-aggrandizement when it comes to their belief in what they are capable of; good or ill. The only reason that most of these theories could sound plausible is because most people are too weak-willed to stand up and do what is right against oppressive governments or secret societies or whatever.

The human mind is capable of so many things; paranoid delusions of groups of "others" oppressing the masses or manipulating global economies in their favor is just the tip of the iceberg. And sometimes I give pause and think that maybe, just maybe they've got something. But then I remember that most people are too lazy, corrupt or apathetic to put so much effort into any one thing - especially if the result they want is the state of the world today.

Just because it makes sense, doesn't make it truth.

minstrelboy
01-02-2011, 11:29 AM
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Gyre-Viper
01-02-2011, 11:36 AM
Phew! It's about time!



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teemu8
01-02-2011, 12:13 PM
Not true at all. There are always whistleblowers. The government is compartmentalized so you'd have to focus on certain divisions if you want to discuss who comes out. Maybe some conspiracy believers do assume that they are all connected, but each conspiracy kind of stands alone. But I can name you various conspiracies that have whistleblowers including JFK, Roswell, and 9/11. The real question is whether people will even believe them, which most don't. Also people do sell their stories to tabloids, but who on earth would believe anything written in those true or not? Also the government doesn't need to be competent, just a few people at the top, and many, many secrets are kept for years by the government until they are later discovered like the Manhattan Project, stealth bomber programs, etc. So it is naive to believe the government can't keep a secret if they want to. Also it depends on the employees. My grandfather worked for the government (airforce research) in the 50s and 60s and he NEVER said a word about anything he did for his whole life until he died. And he was only maybe medium level on the totem pole.

I wouldnt waste your time trying...sheople will be sheople and will always love their higher masters..most people prefer to stay asleep and stay in the propaganda machine

ChaplainAsst
01-02-2011, 12:52 PM
Joseph Heller: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after you."

haradrel
01-02-2011, 12:55 PM
Joseph Heller: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't after you."

Susan Sontaq “I envy paranoids; they actually feel people are paying attention to them”

Zefram
01-02-2011, 12:56 PM
Susan Sontaq “I envy paranoids; they actually feel people are paying attention to them”

Win. XD

speedocub
01-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Good stuff...Cora Commander...oops Cobra Commander...

I'm all for the concept of preparing viewers for catastrophic future events through desensitizing television or movie programming...

Laughs a plenty!

WVMojo
01-02-2011, 01:48 PM
No Computers! Don't feed the beast!

bluesparrow
01-03-2011, 12:59 AM
Just a question:
Do you not get assignments from the station or channel that you are attached to?
If so, are they not skewed to promote the interest of said station or channel?

No assignments. I have never once heard of the parent corporation giving a single comment about the content. The only person they have contact with is the General Manager and he doesn't have anything to do with the news content. All he cares about is how much money we generate and our community image.

The networks barely acknowledge our existence, they only contact us if there's a big story in the area and they want us to send them some video they can use.

corporal_kadmon
04-12-2011, 07:45 PM
I have seen this article before and was glad that G.I. Joe got some recognition in the conspiracy field of things since even as a child I had always thought that there was something a bit "off" about the Sunbow series.

Some points I would like to weigh in on:

1. Why are politics so taboo around here? This type of stuff obviously hits a BIG nerve with people here or perhaps the administrators and if there weren't some truth to observations like this they woudn't be so quickly laughed off/shut down as a topic if they didn't "threaten" something. What that something is, I don't know. Perhaps just the child like world views that seem prevelant.

2. Many of you naysayers who laugh off conspiracies must not have any idea what happened in WW II with disastrous results. Most of the Germans would have laughed off the idea that people were being gassed to death a stones throw away as they thanked Hitler for the lavish and luxurious German utopia that he briefly provided but when Germany lay in ruins and they were escorted through the concentration camps to view the consequences of their allowing themselves to be sheeple they weren't laughing anything off. They got a BIG slap in the face.

3. With that said, history almost always repeats itself unless people learn from it and stay vigilant, even paranoid if necessary.

4.To you people that say money is the motivating force behind everything. We have already established that the "feds" or more accurately the world banks, as the federal reserve is just a front operation for them --that is really a private institution with no government ties whatsoever which can PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS IT WANTS. Answer me this, why would a global force like the world banks that have the power to print as much money as they want need more money? They can have as much of it as they want and they can use it to control their lesser lackeys such as the media, world governments and corporations, who do indeed care about money, but these people aren't really the crux of the "conspiracy". POWER is the name of the game for those at the top of the hierarchy. Only fools with no vision clamour after worthless paper, whose power is 100% occult in nature.

5. For those of you who claim to work for the media. Working for a local affiliate is almost laughable when it comes to "the agenda" played out in the media, which doesn't have to do with what they do tell, but what they DON'T tell you, about the world around you. I am sure that celebrities are more important to most people than their freedom.

6. Nothing is JUST entertainment.

7.G.I. Joe has stood out as the most time enduring and adult oriented of all the eighties kids shows. To underestimate it's complexity as a show because of some of the absurdity that was occasionally thrown in is an insult to the hobby. No one, at least not I, is saying that G.I. Joe is an evil brainwashing tool or that it predicted anything, just that it used some very real albeit disturbing plot devices that have happened before in history and can and most likely will happen again if people do not wake up.
Enjoy the economic collapse! I know I love paying 20 bucks for a Marvel Legend at retail when they were little more than 8 bucks less than a decade ago! THAT is what happens when you print up as much money as you want!

Irid70
04-12-2011, 08:16 PM
Nobody talks politics around here because it is expressly against the rules of this privately owned forum, which you agreed to when you signed up. I expect the instant a mod reads that post it'll get deleted. Enjoy your nonsense while it lasts!

RenHoek
04-12-2011, 08:21 PM
I think we can all agree, no ones cares about these stupid theories anymore.

cobracommanderiv
04-12-2011, 08:27 PM
I'm going to check the vid out but from the gist of the convo this is utter bollocks....How can a toy be influencing civilisation etc...Illuminati?

Illuminate my arse, here, I've spread my cheeks and you can see a light shining out the hole....Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

corporal_kadmon
04-12-2011, 09:27 PM
I think we can all agree, no ones cares about these stupid theories anymore.

No, we can't all agree. Of course some of you don't care but that's the problem. Apathy.

corporal_kadmon
04-12-2011, 09:28 PM
I'm going to check the vid out but from the gist of the convo this is utter bollocks....How can a toy be influencing civilisation etc...Illuminati?

Illuminate my arse, here, I've spread my cheeks and you can see a light shining out the hole....Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

Haha...The fact that complete countries were laid waste to resulting in the death of countless millions of people IS bollocks.

So is the word bollocks JFYI.

Gyre-Viper
04-12-2011, 09:36 PM
SKO sucks.

CVdelgado
04-12-2011, 09:51 PM
No assignments. I have never once heard of the parent corporation giving a single comment about the content. The only person they have contact with is the General Manager and he doesn't have anything to do with the news content. All he cares about is how much money we generate and our community image.

The networks barely acknowledge our existence, they only contact us if there's a big story in the area and they want us to send them some video they can use.

you work there because you do what you do. if you tried to start doing stories about things people in power didnt like, you wouldnt last long. simple.

thats if anyone listens to you at all.

Irid70
04-12-2011, 10:13 PM
SKO sucks.


In order for it to suck it would have to exist. However if we incorporate Berkeley's conception of Immaterialism the mere fact that we are thinking of it means it does exist, because "to be is to be perceived." By thinking of it, we perceive it, it exists. So maybe it does suck.

RenHoek
04-12-2011, 10:26 PM
11, 13 and 33: The Illuminati / Freemason Signature (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/13_33_freemason_sig.htm)


DAIRY QUEEN = LIZARD PEOPLE

Haha...The fact that complete countries were laid waste to resulting in the death of countless millions of people IS bollocks.

So is the word bollocks JFYI.

Toys did that?

OSOK
04-12-2011, 10:39 PM
I think we can all agree, no ones cares about these stupid theories anymore.
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Troynos
04-13-2011, 11:17 AM
sheeple, lol

That's funny.