GI Joe Renegades Episode 3 - The Package Discussion

[Trooper13]

I think its going to be impossible for Flint to do anything more than play the 'role' he's given until Hawk comes clean and Flint and LJ become Duke and Scarlett's handlers vice pursuers.

Spirit would definitely change the balance in tracking those guys down. I'd like to see him do more than just stereo-typical native American tracking too. But some serious informtation gathering... almost sixth sense in predicting where the Renegades will go next. I was really enjoying his character while Image with Covergirl when they introduced Hannibal.

I'd like to see him almost like "the mentalist" from that show in the way he deals with people. Where he's an expert in human behavior, possibly some psychology background, and some more traditional tracking techniques. Almost like a "Super CID Agent".



Can you imagine them playing the Halls of Montezuma in the background everytime Gung-ho makes an appearance? *shudders

Damn, that's enough to give someone nightmares. Then again, I might go for that as long as he put a damn shirt on.



Too heavy for a kids cartoon. But I can see them seriously laying each other up for awhile with injuries.

Yeah. That'd be a bit confusing for the audience. It'd make it alot tougher to distiguish the heroes from the villians.

[MFJayman]

Still, I'd like to see the two Joe teams come pretty close to an all out shootout. Kind of like, "Oh man, they are ACTUALLY going to go THAT far!" I think it would be some nice tension.

[Derek]

Can you imagine them playing the Halls of Montezuma in the background everytime Gung-ho makes an appearance? *shudders


You know how many times I would have to go to the position of attention if they did that.

[Mazinger]

Hopefully Bludd get a new helmet/eye patch thingy after the explosion and we don't have to see that hair again. :)

How many one eyed characters will there be in this series?

[Night Viper 143]

Still, I'd like to see the two Joe teams come pretty close to an all out shootout. Kind of like, "Oh man, they are ACTUALLY going to go THAT far!" I think it would be some nice tension.

That reminds me of the best moment in the movie The Rock. When the Marines and the Seals were staring each other down for a very harsh minute...

yeah, I just hope it doesn't end the same way.

You know how many times I would have to go to the position of attention if they did that.

roflmao

[MFJayman]

Hopefully Bludd get a new helmet/eye patch thingy after the explosion and we don't have to see that hair again. :)

How many one eyed characters will there be in this series?



Maybe they'll give him some kind of bionic implant in place of the eye, something useful. Then the same for his arm later on. Cobra's very own cyborg mercenary...

[MFJayman]

That reminds me of the best moment in the movie The Rock. When the Marines and the Seals were staring each other down for a very harsh minute...

yeah, I just hope it doesn't end the same way.



There you go, a nice mid-season climax! Or not...

[Falcone]

i love johnny messner as flint they should cast him for the second movie. all in all im very happy with the show

That would be awesome, I loved him in Tears of the Sun.

[MFJayman]

Thanks for that picture Falcone. I do so very very much love Lady Jaye, she rightfully takes the center.

[Mazinger]

Maybe they'll give him some kind of bionic implant in place of the eye, something useful. Then the same for his arm later on. Cobra's very own cyborg mercenary...

I forgot about the arm.

They should have Bludd explode every few episodes and have his body parts replaced. Then he eventually becomes a cyborg. lol

[Zefram]

Okay, watching the episode again. Yeah, whoever said that the helicopter buzzing the Coyote at the beginning looked weak was right. Not a high point.

LOL at Roadblock.
"Still like the bagel dogs."

True, you can't taste evil. >.>

[MFJayman]

I forgot about the arm.

They should have Bludd explode every few episodes and have his body parts replaced. Then he eventually becomes a cyborg. lol


I forgot about the arm too, then I think I saw it mentioned in a post somewhere...

I think my knowledge of G.I. Joe has tripled since I've been on these forums, and that's only been about a week. And all kinds of things are coming back to my memory.

[Zefram]

Ground vehicle animation isn't bad. The way Flint's jeep jerks when he stops was a nice touch.

Liking that intro less and less.

Shop smart, shot Sss-Mart. >.>

My God, I think the only explanation is that Flint keeps his brain in his black beret.

[Zefram]

Scalet's a nerd. :D

Nothing says "carefully disguised bomb" like a flashing light and loud beeping, except maybe a carefully disguised homing device. Also, the conveniently placed off switch.

[Zefram]

I'm starting to see what people are talking about with the whole red tie deal.

Cobra's CEO being part-snake? Hmmm... my foreshadowing sense is tingling.

[CliffSteele]

Why would it matter what race Snake Eyes of all people was?

^This.^ Dude wears a mask 99.9% of the time. As someone who loves the Marvel/Larry Hama characters as if they were a sacred scripture, who gives a shit about his race or ethnicity? I've actually had conversations with a number of people who assumed he's Asian.

[MFJayman]

^This.^ Dude wears a mask 99.9% of the time. As someone who loves the Marvel/Larry Hama characters as if they were a sacred scripture, who gives a shit about his race or ethnicity? I've actually had conversations with a number of people who assumed he's Asian.



Wasn't he originally supposed to be blonde with blue eyes? I don't know exactly, I think I just read that somewhere. And I thought, "Really? Wow...isn't that...Duke?" I hadn't read the comics, so I was truly surprised! I'm not sure what I thought the dude was (race/ethnicity-wise) growing up.

[Night Viper 143]

Maybe they'll give him some kind of bionic implant in place of the eye, something useful. Then the same for his arm later on. Cobra's very own cyborg mercenary...

A sort of Major Mad-Eye Moddy Bludd. Could be interesting...

I forgot about the arm too, then I think I saw it mentioned in a post somewhere...

I think my knowledge of G.I. Joe has tripled since I've been on these forums, and that's only been about a week. And all kinds of things are coming back to my memory.

This place did the same for me too. If you really want to know far too much, check out the thread: What Secrets Lurk in the Filecards.

[Zefram]

I like how Duke doesn't totally trust Snake Eyes yet.

Buzz-kill McBrit? Tunnel Rat has a lot of nerve complaining about Ripcord.

If 4ft missile racks come out of each side of the car's passenger compartment, where the hell does Bludd sit on the inside when they're retracted?

Yup, Flint is officially the series butt-monkey.

SE vs Bludd round 1.
Sorry to all the people who think Bludd had this fight, but he got knocked on his ass at least three times. Snake went down once, but not 'cause of Bludd, which proves Duke's driving is more dangerous than an armed Australian mercenary.

[CliffSteele]

NO it's in the film. I have the blu-ray and dvd. storm shadow tells snake eyes "When our master was killed, you took a vow of silence. Now you will die without a word."

Thanks! I KNEW I wasn't crazy and didn't really wanna watch the movie again. I remember because my friend said "I didn't know he swore a vow of silence" and in true GEEK fashion I said "No! that's all wrong! WAAAAAHH!!!!" :)

[MFJayman]

This place did the same for me too. If you really want to know far too much, check out the thread: What Secrets Lurk in the Filecards.


I've seen that thread in passing, but I think I thought, "Man, I bet that's a long read". But at this point I've read so much anyway...I'll check it out.

[Mermaniel]

Well, I have to admit my defeat. I'm really starting to dig this show. I dont love the art, but the story, action and character representations make it cool. I liked Major Bludd. Didnt mind his New Wave haircut too...lol...and what about that moded Delorian? Epic! lol

[Zefram]

Baroness's face when she's on the phone with Bludd looks downright beautiful. I think this ep had a different lead animator, and it shows.

[CliffSteele]

Wasn't he originally supposed to be blonde with blue eyes? I don't know exactly, I think I just read that somewhere. And I thought, "Really? Wow...isn't that...Duke?" I hadn't read the comics, so I was truly surprised! I'm not sure what I thought the dude was (race/ethnicity-wise) growing up.

Yes, he is traditionally blonde w/ blue eyes, but he had a lot more scars than Duke.

[Zefram]

Yes, he is traditionally blonde w/ blue eyes, but he had a lot more scars than Duke.

It wasn't just SE and Duke, but Rock and Roll, Hawk, Short Fuze, and I forget who else in the O13. Basically, the master race was a tiny bit overrepresented in the early years, and not just in Joe. I always thought it was the most hysterically ironic thing that Steve Rogers was the very model of what Hitler saw as the perfect soldier.

[Night Viper 143]

SE vs Bludd round 1.
Sorry to all the people who think Bludd had this fight, but he got knocked on his ass at least three times. Snake went down once, but not 'cause of Bludd, which proves Duke's driving is more dangerous than an armed Australian mercenary.

lol

Well, I have to admit my defeat. I'm really starting to dig this show. I dont love the art, but the story, action and character representations make it cool. I liked Major Bludd. Didnt mind his New Wave haircut too...lol...and what about that moded Delorian? Epic! lol

A good story makes up for crappy art everyday of the week.

Great art with crappy storytelling: (like Akira) just sucks.

Yes, he is traditionally blonde w/ blue eyes, but he had a lot more scars than Duke.

It makes Tommy opening up his ninja-clan to a broken down gaijin deeper.

[MFJayman]

SE vs Bludd round 1.
Sorry to all the people who think Bludd had this fight, but he got knocked on his ass at least three times. Snake went down once, but not 'cause of Bludd, which proves Duke's driving is more dangerous than an armed Australian mercenary.



I think my wishful thinking made me think SE got knocked down more...I'll have to take a third viewing.

I think I was also shocked to see Major Bludd--I mean, MAJOR BLUDD!!--taking on SE. Wow. From what I know of these two pre-Renegades...wow.

[Zefram]

Snake Eyes Bludd round 2.
Bludd takes three consecutive hits and is sent flying into a pile of weaponry boxes, one of which has a missile gun. Bludd is as lucky as he is thick-skulled.

Something I missed earlier, Snake Eyes was actually bloody in that scene, but the wound on his arm is covered a bit by the smoke.

Forgot that Bludd was hit with a forklift and rammed into a wall. Then proceeds to push the forklift away with under his own power. WTF? Is Bludd even human in this story?!

[Night Viper 143]

Duke, being a good guy, put in neutral at the last second so that the drive train would slow down enough to insure that MB would be pinned and not crushed.

[Cobra Terrorist]

Forgot that Bludd was hit with a forklift and rammed into a wall. Then proceeds to push the forklift away with under his own power. WTF? Is Bludd even human in this story?!

Hahaha, I noticed that. Umm, maybe he's got some Cobra gear that gives him extra strength???

[MFJayman]

After the forklift hit and Bludd was still squirming around, I thought maybe his legs had been crushed, and he'd get some kind of...replacements.

This guy really gets beat up A LOT...I hope it continues!

[Trooper13]

Baroness's face when she's on the phone with Bludd looks downright beautiful. I think this ep had a different lead animator, and it shows.

This Baroness is the one we should have gotten in RoC. Some cute pale little eastern european chick with an ice cold heart. Sienna Miller is fine and all, but this is the Baroness I've been waiting for. She's hip, modern, and ruthless.

[MFJayman]

This Baroness is the one we should have gotten in RoC. Some cute pale little eastern european chick with an ice cold heart. Sienna Miller is fine and all, but this is the Baroness I've been waiting for. She's hip, modern, and ruthless.


Here here! I second that!

[ero]

I can say this about Lady Jaye—at least they didn't put her in a baggy jersey with some gold bling that says "L-Jaye" on it and a backwards cap, saying, "Yo Duke, wazzup!? on the phone.

That is SO true. Good point!

Not a bad episode. The way the code names are introduced is predictable at this point though. It's like "wait for a quirky pun", BAM code name before the episode ends. Something tells me if Heavy Duty shows up, dude will get his code name by lifting some "Heavy Duty" equipment. Maybe Storm Shadow will disappear in the rain. Like "Snake Eyes, your brother has become a Shadow in the Storm", then Scarlett goes "HEY LET'S CALL HIM STORM SHADOW".

Agreed. They should have just avoided this altogether. Pre-existing codenames would have been totally acceptable to the viewer. It's not like the characters' lives started the day the show premiered. I feel like they've written themselves into a corner now and the viewer will expect an anecdote for every name, which will, as mentioned, wear very thin.

The vehicles...eh..yeah fitting for the episode, don't know if I'd buy them as toys. Thought what happened to Flint was pretty funny and random too.

A little extreme, yeah. But I really do like Flint's ride. And that part was pretty funny. So glad they're sneaking in some fun humor. Refreshing after the asshole factor of Resolute.

finally watched episode 3 last night. not a fan of Bio-Vipers with guns.
I love Bio-Vipers... but buffing them up and handing them guns, means we probably won't be getting big droopy, drooling monster-looking figures... probably just get a clear wraith-type figure. which is depressing. I want a BIG GI JOE Bio-Viper figure reminiscent of the original Bio-Viper.

Really?? This was the first I'd actually enjoyed them. I think being more svelte suits them. I mean, they ARE still blobby monsters. Not crazy about their guns disappearing and reappearing. But I think the animation requires the same suspension of belief as shape-shifting Transformers.

[ero]

This Baroness is the one we should have gotten in RoC. Some cute pale little eastern european chick with an ice cold heart. Sienna Miller is fine and all, but this is the Baroness I've been waiting for. She's hip, modern, and ruthless.

I will forever love RoC Baroness. SM was excellent casting and she played a poorly written character very well. I still wish Renegades B. wore long hair, and the Destro-esque coat is annoying. But the voice is PERFECT. What an achievement. I think it's the high point of 'toon thus far.

[knoxvelour]

I thought the Bio-Vipers were storing their weapons inside their gelatinous mass. Pulling them from inside their bodies as needed.

[Trooper13]

I will forever love RoC Baroness. SM was excellent casting and she played a poorly written character very well. I still wish Renegades B. wore long hair, and the Destro-esque coat is annoying. But the voice is PERFECT. What an achievement. I think it's the high point of 'toon thus far.

No doubt. Miller did an amazing job with a horrible script. Any scene she wasn't in with Tatum was great. The scenes with the Baroness, and Storm Shadow were great. Much like Vosloo with his version of Zartan they allowed me to suspend disbelief and feel like I was really watching Joe. That was cool.

All that being said. I just love the original Baroness' cross between a Bond villian and Morticia Addams. One of the few things I really loved about Resolute was the look of the Baroness. This Baroness is a great modernization, I think.

[MFJayman]

I will forever love RoC Baroness. SM was excellent casting and she played a poorly written character very well. I still wish Renegades B. wore long hair, and the Destro-esque coat is annoying. But the voice is PERFECT. What an achievement. I think it's the high point of 'toon thus far.



And when she drops that coat and reveals a slick black leather get-up, well that'll just be, you know...mmmhm good.

[DrKain]

Well, I'm going to have to say that this episode was a huge improvement over the first two. Of course, it could have been due to how bad the remainder of Transformers Prime was, but this episode showed some promise despite how much of an idiot Flint is.

[MFJayman]

I really hope they come out with figs based on Renegades before next Fall.

I remember as a kid, I'd watch an episode, then get together with my brothers or friends and start playing with the toys, totally inspired by the episode--but that would only be a jumping off point, and soon we had deviated off on our own scenario...man that was great.

The idea that kids today could be doing something similar is heartening.

[Snake Shadow09]

what was with se head? looked strange indeed.

[WeaponXCustoms]

Liking this episode more than the first 2! Damn it they lost the oppurtunity to not bring BioVipers back in the script. Hopefully in the future they arent the focus. They did seem easier to kill this time around too, which is good imho.

[ero]

They did seem easier to kill this time around too, which is good imho.

"Dudes haven't learned to duck yet."

[SNAKE EYES]

what was with se head? looked strange indeed.

They're probably going for the scarred look... like they did in the Marvel comic series.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/snakeeyes0217/customs/SnakeEyes_Ultimate/comic.jpg

[Monkeywrench]

Didn't like that they just called Kibbey dead. How? Bludd didn't see his vehicle blow up, he was knocked down by the blast. Did they assume it blew up?

Major knifed him in the back but the knife hit the scanner. Judging by the reaction, he assumed he was dead.

[WeaponXCustoms]

Major knifed him in the back but the knife hit the scanner. Judging by the reaction, he assumed he was dead.

Yeah..Kibbey thought he was dead too

[sithewok]

How many people bought an A-Team van for their collection?


Never saw it in stores or else I probably would have. In fact, never saw an A team figure in stores. Were these TRU exclusives? (Don't have a TRU in my state...)

[Monkeywrench]

Yeah..Kibbey thought he was dead too

thats true lol. I dunno how, but I totally missed the part of the scanner going into the back pack. It suprised me when they pulled it out.

[WeaponXCustoms]

Never saw it in stores or else I probably would have. In fact, never saw an A team figure in stores. Were these TRU exclusives? (Don't have a TRU in my state...)

no target had them too, I didnt see that at any Walmarts though

I did buy the van(on clearance for 6$), dont know what to do with it

[MFJayman]

Forgot that Bludd was hit with a forklift and rammed into a wall. Then proceeds to push the forklift away with under his own power. WTF? Is Bludd even human in this story?!



I think I see what might have happened. Looks like a Bio-Viper each got stuck on one of the prongs of the forklift, right in front of Bludd, when it hit the wall. May have softened the impact? Hmmm. But the wall behind him is all busted up, I suppose from him being smashed back against it. And then when the Bio-Vipers reform right next to Bludd, they actually do not seem to help him push away the forklift, as I previously assumed they must have done, because, well, forklift are…heavy…right…

Yeah, so anyway, definitely something off here.

[Monkeywrench]

so where did the bio vipers come from when they came to help bludd? did he throw a vile out or were they lurking in the shadows?

[WeaponXCustoms]

I think I see what might have happened. Looks like a Bio-Viper each got stuck on one of the prongs of the forklift, right in front of Bludd, when it hit the wall. May have softened the impact? Hmmm. But the wall behind him is all busted up, I suppose from him being smashed back against it. And then when the Bio-Vipers reform right next to Bludd, they actually do not seem to help him push away the forklift, as I previously assumed they must have done, because, well, forklift are…heavy…right…

Yeah, so anyway, definitely something off here.

yeah..I guess its ok from a kids point of view "oh wow he's strong" but for us adults somethings wrong. Maybe Bludd is bionic..wait isnt his right arm supposed to be bionic anyway? Maybe it already is we just dont know it

[knoxvelour]

I always though Bludd was wearing armor on his right arm, not that it was bionic

[MFJayman]

I thought that if Bludd keeps getting torn up, he'd be an excellent candidate for all kinds of Cobra bionic additions--his eye, arm, and whatever else he's sure to loose at this rate.

And I'm assuming Cobra, or Destro, has at least begun to dabble in bionic implants and prosthetics...

[WeaponXCustoms]

I always though Bludd was wearing armor on his right arm, not that it was bionic

As far as I know Hasbro's never come out and said what the deal is with that arm. The first toy had the solid arm and most assumed it was bionic. Later versions (1984 I think?) had more articulation. And then the 25th version had the solid arm as well. I've gone with the bionic crowd I've heard people say its armoured so he has protection when firing missles...wth? Hot metal on your arm, anyways lol. I think its still a debate.

[MFJayman]

I always though Bludd was wearing armor on his right arm, not that it was bionic


That's what I thought too, then I read somewhere that it was bionic, and I thought, well that could be cool, so I went with that...so really, I'm not sure at all.

[WeaponXCustoms]

so where did the bio vipers come from when they came to help bludd? did he throw a vile out or were they lurking in the shadows?

fell out of the boxes

[MFJayman]

fell out of the boxes

Hahaha, yeah, that does seem to be what happened. Why oh why couldn't Bludd just have had some blueshirts trailing in behind him?

Anyway, I still think these Bios will get refined down to the point where they suit up and become the more classic type Vipers...they have already gotten much more humanoid in form. Hmmm?

[WeaponXCustoms]

Hahaha, yeah, that does seem to be what happened. Why oh why couldn't Bludd just have had some blueshirts trailing in behind him?

Anyway, I still think these Bios will get refined down to the point where they suit up and become the more classic type Vipers...they have already gotten much more humanoid in form. Hmmm?

damn...if they put armour and a suit on I could accept them lol those would be some seriously hard to kill dudes.

[Monkeywrench]

fell out of the boxes

oh ok. lol

[MFJayman]

damn...if they put armour and a suit on I could accept them lol those would be some seriously hard to kill dudes.


Yeah, but I'm still praying that regular Vipers are truly human in this, and the Bio-Vipers remain just one type of Viper--not the basis for all Vipers.

[SNAKE EYES]

fell out of the boxes

Yeah that's what it looked like after the boxes exploded the bio-vipers were there.

[SNAKE EYES]

7 minutes in... YouTube - GI Joe Renegades Episode 3 Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhABBdrrCM0)

[atomsmasher]

This show made me a fan of the series. I still hate the pants on the male Joes. They are terrible to look at for Duke, roadblock, not so much Tunnel Rat. The figures I can't wait for are Flint, Lady Jaye, Baroness, Scarlet, and Cobra Commander because I have enough battle mask ones that switching heads isn't going to kill me. It's violent, Actions packed, good story, introducing of characters which could lead to further development ONCE Cobra is exposed and ARAH is used for the regular title. Hasbro has started something that could take years to finish and it makes me giddy.

[Monkeywrench]

Yeah, but I'm still praying that regular Vipers are truly human in this, and the Bio-Vipers remain just one type of Viper--not the basis for all Vipers.

I agree completely

[MFJayman]

I agree completely


doesn't it seem like they are "shaping" the Bios to become maybe, just maybe, the substance filling out the uniforms of the Viper, Alley Viper, Strato, Night...all of those? I don't know, I'm just getting a little paranoid about this admittedly far out and weird possibility...

[Monkeywrench]

doesn't it seem like they are "shaping" the Bios to become maybe, just maybe, the substance filling out the uniforms of the Viper, Alley Viper, Strato, Night...all of those? I don't know, I'm just getting a little paranoid about this admittedly far out and weird possibility...

I dunno. Still too early to tell. They do seem like a replacement for the bats. I honestly don't see whats wrong with killing blue shirts. I know its a kid show but come on. Look at the video games these kids are playing. I'm not saying that there needs to be loads of blood or limbs getting blown off but some blue shirt deaths would be a nice change.

[MFJayman]

I dunno. Still too early to tell. They do seem like a replacement for the bats. I honestly don't see whats wrong with killing blue shirts. I know its a kid show but come on. Look at the video games these kids are playing. I'm not saying that there needs to be loads of blood or limbs getting blown off but some blue shirt deaths would be a nice change.



I just went back to check, and right in the first half of episode 1, when the Joes are in the firefight with the blueshirts, Scarlett actually gets shot in the chest, basically getting sidelined for the fight--but of course, she did have that kevlar vest, and they clearly showed her strapping it on in the chopper, so...I guess people can be shot. But does it clearly have to be DEMONSTRATED that they are wearing armor that keeps them from dying? hmmm...I'd be okay with seeing troopers getting shot in the (armored) chest and being knocked out of commission or out of the scene or whatever...seems they have a precedent already for it.

[MFJayman]

Just to modify what I posted before, I would PREFER that the troopers or whomever simply be shown getting killed when shot. But if they can't show that, then I would at least like to see them be hit and knocked down, or out of the scene, by the shot. So that you can at least imagine they have been possibly killed.

[takedown]

I think Flint needs to form a joe team as a response to duke and his renegades. ... and finally Tripwire vs. Tunnel Rat.

Remember Tunnel Rat only digs holes and has field medic training. But he leaves Scarlett in the field of fire while she is unconscious in the pilot 2 parter. Awesome field medic.

I bought one. I think this Cobra truck is the coolest thing ever, though. I loved the Chameleon mode. Too slick.

I think this is going to be a tough balancing act. Keeping him in chase, without becoming a joke. Perhaps they'll need to keep him out for awhile later on. Like he gets reassigned, and then they bring him back later on when his replacement fails.

Yeah a no gimmick truck transport would be awesome.

I can see Flint being reassigned... Colonel Lynch was reassigned and replaced by Colonel Decker on the A Team.

Maybe Bludd is bionic..wait isnt his right arm supposed to be bionic anyway? Maybe it already is we just dont know it

I put this in the other premeire thread too. According to GI JOE The Ultimate Guide to GI JOE by Mark Bellomo, a book of production notes from hasbro and Larry Hama. Major Bludd's arm was a kind of armor protection like that of Knight's glove to protect his arm to fire his mini-missiles.

About the Opening sequence Read-outs, Flint is still from Wichita, Kansas. So Duke's dad might have been in the Army and stationed at Fort Riley and that's how Duke and Flint faced off at the State Football Championship. Just hope Flint's bad luck can change (it's not his fault, one of his subordinates are protecting him from the real situation).

[Zefram]

Remember Tunnel Rat only digs holes and has field medic training. But he leaves Scarlett in the field of fire while she is unconscious in the pilot 2 parter. Awesome field medic.

It may not have been the most courageous looking move, but keep in mind it ended up saving everyone elses' lives. I never thought that reckless heroism was the proper lesson to teach in favor of carefully weighing your options. Staying by Scarlet's side wouldn't have accomplished any more than charging an unkillable blob monster. Retreat isn't a dirty word when it saves lives. Having at least one genuine pragmatist on the team helps balance it out against a heroic never-say-die meat-head like Duke.

[Trooper13]

I just went back to check, and right in the first half of episode 1, when the Joes are in the firefight with the blueshirts, Scarlett actually gets shot in the chest, basically getting sidelined for the fight--but of course, she did have that kevlar vest, and they clearly showed her strapping it on in the chopper, so...I guess people can be shot. But does it clearly have to be DEMONSTRATED that they are wearing armor that keeps them from dying? hmmm...I'd be okay with seeing troopers getting shot in the (armored) chest and being knocked out of commission or out of the scene or whatever...seems they have a precedent already for it.

See, here's how I'm seeing it. I know it's not a popular theory, but indulge me for a second. In the premier, Mindbender was going to try and "merge" the Joes with the BV goo to make "super soldiers". Ripcord "died" in a big explosion in the middle of a bunch of BV's. We haven't heard anything about him, or Mindbender since the premier. All of a sudden the BV's show up, but now they have human form and march and advance like "tin soldiers".

I truly believe that Rip's "death" wether real or not is responible for this BV2.0. Wether the goo imprinted him, and can now mimic basic human shape, and the basic in military skills. (marching in formation, shooting) Or wether we will see Rip again as a half man, half BV Cobra minion. I think his death will inadvertantly have given Mindbender what he needed to reach his next step.

While I think we've seen Troopers, and Officers. (Suits?) I think Vipers are likely going to be coming down the line, and I think they are going to be some meld of the BV, and human operatives. Kind of like this versions Neo-Vipers.

Hey, it's just an opinion. Don't hate me. :/

[Troynos]

I don't think Flint needs to get reassigned, they just need to change how they handle the pursuit. Don't have him right on their tails all the time. Have him show up at the end and start getting some clues that all isn't right with Cobra.

They had the perfect oppotunity to do that with this episode, with Bludd. Someone with that kind of car chasing the fugitives and fighting between themselves. And Flint doesn't think anything is odd?

Even just him watching the two disappear and saying to himself "Who was that chasing them and why would anyone but the military do that?" would have worked.

Instead he gets to be the lame chaser. I hated the way he got stopped. But it probably works for the kids.

I want to see things like:
1- where do the fugitives get food/money/supplies/gas
2- how does Flint get word where they are?
3- where do the fugitives sleep?

For the first couple it makes sense for Flint to be on their ass. They haven't gotten very far from where started, only a day or two. But later on it won't. And with Flint being stationed in one place, he won't be able to be following them that closely.

I can see Flint and his team moving from base to base, always a step or two behind.

It'll really go a long ways towards killing the show for me if they keep having Flint stopped like they did in this episode.

[kneroh]

I want to see things like:
1- where do the fugitives get food/money/supplies/gas
2- how does Flint get word where they are?
3- where do the fugitives sleep?

Questions 1 and 3 are easy.
http://gobudgettravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/vandownbyriver.png

[dj7000]

See, here's how I'm seeing it. I know it's not a popular theory, but indulge me for a second. In the premier, Mindbender was going to try and "merge" the Joes with the BV goo to make "super soldiers". Ripcord "died" in a big explosion in the middle of a bunch of BV's. We haven't heard anything about him, or Mindbender since the premier. All of a sudden the BV's show up, but now they have human form and march and advance like "tin soldiers".

I truly believe that Rip's "death" wether real or not is responible for this BV2.0. Wether the goo imprinted him, and can now mimic basic human shape, and the basic in military skills. (marching in formation, shooting) Or wether we will see Rip again as a half man, half BV Cobra minion. I think his death will inadvertantly have given Mindbender what he needed to reach his next step.

While I think we've seen Troopers, and Officers. (Suits?) I think Vipers are likely going to be coming down the line, and I think they are going to be some meld of the BV, and human operatives. Kind of like this versions Neo-Vipers.

Hey, it's just an opinion. Don't hate me. :/

Good theory but, Cobra has access to military personnel, why would he need to use Rip. I think Bender saying he wanted a super jelly viper with the Joes was just something he said and passing and not a moment of epifany. Surely it must take more than the absorbtion of a soldier to make the BV a super BV.

I think the base lab where bender was working from was the processing lab where they do experimentation, initial formation, etc. I think the Super BV's were already established and "stored somewhere. baroness got the OK from commander to let Bludd use the BV2.0's/

I also think we'll see another version of the BV, perhaps even able to take human likeness?

[cobracobra]

as I said, I'm still up in the air on him. It might just be my absolute hate towards the roc breaker that I'm more happy that he's english. Not sure yet lol. I actually hated breaker more then anybody else in roc. I wanna see how he plays out.

Why can't Moroccans be GI JOES and for that matter I found Rip Cords character to be the funniest in the movie and tv show.
I dont understand why people were so offended that Rip Cord was portrayed by Marlon Wayans and why we have to then kill off his character in the second episode as a nod to the adult fans.
Were going to see him in GI JOE 2. To be honest I have a feeling that Rip Cord isn't dead in the cartoon.
Does anyone think that Hasbro had to pay Paramount to have a african american Rip Cord so they killed him off in episode 2? That would be kinda too true.

[Jmacq1]

I dunno. Still too early to tell. They do seem like a replacement for the bats. I honestly don't see whats wrong with killing blue shirts. I know its a kid show but come on. Look at the video games these kids are playing. I'm not saying that there needs to be loads of blood or limbs getting blown off but some blue shirt deaths would be a nice change.

I think there's a vast overestimation of how many 6-10 year old kids (basically the target "kid" audience for the show) are playing "M" rated video games. Or even preteen kids in general playing "adult" video games. Most of the people snapping up GTA and Call of Duty are teenagers at the youngest, and full-fledged adults more often than not.

Hasbro's not going to have the Joes regularly blowing away hordes of human enemies on their kids' cartoon show. Full stop. Folks can either accept that basic reality now, or just prepare themselves for continual disappointment.

I think some of these theories about the Bio-Vipers "evolving" into different Cobra troop types are likely very close to what we'll end up getting. There'll still be plenty of human Cobra operatives, but the ones the Joes are gunning down with relative impunity will rarely, if ever, be "human" foes. Of course, many will refuse to see the logic in this scenario (you no longer have to wonder about where Cobra gets its' seemingly unlimited manpower), and will instead cling to some belief that a children's show should involve mass-killing. The old "How come the franchise I love as a kid hasn't grown up with me?" scenario.

Even the "Well if they're armored up isn't it OK?" argument is a no-win scenario, because then the same folks complaining about a lack of human cannon fodder will be complaining that "none of the human cannon fodder ever dies!" Ergo...back to the silliness of the ARAH cartoon days, with the most inaccurate and non-lethal special operations soldiers on the planet.

[Snake Shadow09]

They're probably going for the scarred look... like they did in the Marvel comic series.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/snakeeyes0217/customs/SnakeEyes_Ultimate/comic.jpg

wow... creepy.

[WeaponXCustoms]

Just to modify what I posted before, I would PREFER that the troopers or whomever simply be shown getting killed when shot. But if they can't show that, then I would at least like to see them be hit and knocked down, or out of the scene, by the shot. So that you can at least imagine they have been possibly killed.

That would be cool, one takes a hit and you see his buddies draggin him away off screen. That way you know he's injured, but because they didnt leave him down maybe he'll be alright, maybe not.

Remember Tunnel Rat only digs holes and has field medic training. But he leaves Scarlett in the field of fire while she is unconscious in the pilot 2 parter. Awesome field medic.

put this in the other premeire thread too. According to GI JOE The Ultimate Guide to GI JOE by Mark Bellomo, a book of production notes from hasbro and Larry Hama. Major Bludd's arm was a kind of armor protection like that of Knight's glove to protect his arm to fire his mini-missiles.


Tunnel Rat is not a field medic. Most if not all military personal have to learn battle dressings and basic field medicine in bootcamp and the following c and a schools. Plus him rooting around all the time just means he's a better Ranger than most of the Joes.

Even the "Well if they're armored up isn't it OK?" argument is a no-win scenario, because then the same folks complaining about a lack of human cannon fodder will be complaining that "none of the human cannon fodder ever dies!" Ergo...back to the silliness of the ARAH cartoon days, with the most inaccurate and non-lethal special operations soldiers on the planet.

Good points! But if the enemy is hard to beat theres no tension Joes need a super threat otherwise theres no excuse for them to loose. I dont mind the biovipers as much just for that reason. You think SE and Duke would have been bested by Bludd and a couple Blue shirts that popped up out of nowhere?

[Mazinger]

According to the cartoon, Tunnel Rat has field medic training.

[WeaponXCustoms]

According to the cartoon, Tunnel Rat has field medic training.

doesnt make him a field medic though military members often have more than one specialty and considering he doesnt do anything to help Kimmey in the last episode Id say they arent playing his skills up too much. Being trained and being a certified medic are 2 differant things.

[Mazinger]

Well if you want to get that anal about it. I'm not going to argue.
It'll take the fun out of the show for me. :)

[WeaponXCustoms]

Well if you want to get that anal about it. I'm not going to argue.
It'll take the fun out of the show for me. :)

LOL come on! its what we do here :P I also am going to stick with the old Bludds arm being bionic. Cant take anything Hama says seriously after him loving ROC so much, jk.

[Mazinger]

I'm just screwing around too.

I think TR may be the resident "medic".
RB is the mechanic and cook.
Breaker is the tech geek.

[Troynos]

I think there's a vast overestimation of how many 6-10 year old kids (basically the target "kid" audience for the show) are playing "M" rated video games. Or even preteen kids in general playing "adult" video games. Most of the people snapping up GTA and Call of Duty are teenagers at the youngest, and full-fledged adults more often than not.



^ This

I don't know any kids under the age of 12 that are allowed to play Call of Duty or GTA.

[General Hawk]

See, here's how I'm seeing it. I know it's not a popular theory, but indulge me for a second. In the premier, Mindbender was going to try and "merge" the Joes with the BV goo to make "super soldiers". Ripcord "died" in a big explosion in the middle of a bunch of BV's. We haven't heard anything about him, or Mindbender since the premier. All of a sudden the BV's show up, but now they have human form and march and advance like "tin soldiers".

I truly believe that Rip's "death" wether real or not is responible for this BV2.0. Wether the goo imprinted him, and can now mimic basic human shape, and the basic in military skills. (marching in formation, shooting) Or wether we will see Rip again as a half man, half BV Cobra minion. I think his death will inadvertantly have given Mindbender what he needed to reach his next step.

While I think we've seen Troopers, and Officers. (Suits?) I think Vipers are likely going to be coming down the line, and I think they are going to be some meld of the BV, and human operatives. Kind of like this versions Neo-Vipers.

Hey, it's just an opinion. Don't hate me. :/

Trooper, I hadn't even considered that with the Bio-Vipers. That is certainly a great theory.

As far as Blueshirts go, it doesn't need to be gory or obvious, but I don't know why they can't just have the lasers hit the soldiers. I mean, Scarlett took a direct hit in the series opener, and just sort of recovered, why can't they do something similar with the Cobra's?

It doesn't have to specify whether they died or not, but just having the blueshirts in there getting hit every once in a while wouldn't be a bad thing.

Justin

[Blue Ninja]

I was always a marvel comics guy, never big on the original cartoon.

That being said, even tho Renegades has made some ,major changes to the original continuity with some minor irritants (which can be nitpicked to death) I think this is an awsome show.

Their are three members missing by the way. The original Renegades Mercer, Taurus, and Red dog.

Unfortunately, they will forever be blackballed because of there association with a a certain WWF actor. After the embarrassment caused to the Special Forces community, the US Military and the US government in general, it will be a miracle if they ever get a security clearance that will allow them a posting outside of KP in Thule, Greenland.

[Blue Ninja]

Saw it tonight
Pika-Duke was annoying yet again and why didnt Flint notice the European sports car with gatling gun and missle racks?


Perhaps he is related to a certain sheriff from Texas

[Blue Ninja]

Oh right. Ok eps 6 & 7 it is then. Maybe I will throw in some thoughts of Scarlett and lady J in kinky lingerie. Just for you guys. ;)

Yes, please! And don't forget Jinx. (pretty sure you don't have to waste your powers on Baroness...she's already wearing.

Although, it might be tough to get Scarlett in to some Vicki's Secrets...We all know she goes...

...wait for it...

Commando!

[MFJayman]

I guess I should say this about the Bio-Vipers. The primary reason I would be against them used as regular troopers is not necessarily anything about their look, per say, but the fact that they are likely to be relatively mindless drones. I hated the fact that in ROC, the Vipers apparently had nano-mites or something in their brains, basically brainwashing and enslaving their minds to Cobra.
I'd like to think that the troopers are with Cobra by choice, that they have a real conscious motive for being part of Cobra.

[MFJayman]

So if they could somehow imbue the Bios with some kind of real intelligence, ability to think for themselves, make decisions...or showed some evidence that they can already do this on more than a very very basic, low level...then they wouldn't be as bothersome to me (as potential main troopers, that is). The way they are now is okay, for me, so long as they are not too prominent in the show in general.

[Blue Ninja]

Felt same way about TR. I've generally liked his humor and personality, but yeah...just a bit redundant this time.

I believe it is called a running gag, which by comedic law must be run into the ground.

[Blue Ninja]

When do we get to see FLint begin making suave passes at LJ, and being just as suavely rebuffed? I'm being serious here...I wanna see some sparks beginning between these two. Always my favorite Joe couple.

Technically, officers are not allowed to "fraternize" with NCOs. Now I don't remember how warrant officers fell in to this regulation, but now that he is an Lt., L.J. Is off limits.

[Jmacq1]

Technically, officers are not allowed to "fraternize" with NCOs. Now I don't remember how warrant officers fell in to this regulation, but now that he is an Lt., L.J. Is off limits.

Right, because G.I. Joe has always been such a bastion of military realism. Especially when it comes to fraternization.

[Blue Ninja]

finally watched episode 3 last night. not a fan of Bio-Vipers with guns.
I love Bio-Vipers... but buffing them up and handing them guns, means we probably won't be getting big droopy, drooling monster-looking figures... probably just get a clear wraith-type figure. which is depressing. I want a BIG GI JOE Bio-Viper figure reminiscent of the original Bio-Viper.



What would be cool is if the took the Star Wars Rancor and recast it as the monster bio viper.

[Gatchaman]

yes, please! And don't forget jinx. (pretty sure you don't have to waste your powers on baroness...she's already wearing.

Although, it might be tough to get scarlett in to some vicki's secrets...we all know she goes...

...wait for it...

Commando!

lol

[Gatchaman]

I will be extremely bummed if the Bio Vipers become all other Vipers. Bad enough having the Bio Vipers as is but to take away from Cobra having real people as solders will really ruin things in a big way. It would change to whole feel and outlook of the Cobra army.

[TK1945]

I was enjoying the episode... until the Bio-Vipers appeared.

[The Delta]

is it just me or are the writers trying to make flint look like a goof? no matter how hard he tries to catch the joe's he comes up short in some comical way.

[Troynos]

is it just me or are the writers trying to make flint look like a goof? no matter how hard he tries to catch the joe's he comes up short in some comical way.

My biggest gripe with the 3rd issue. I really hope this doesn't continue. It'll go a long ways towards hurting the show for me.

[Zefram]

is it just me or are the writers trying to make flint look like a goof? no matter how hard he tries to catch the joe's he comes up short in some comical way.

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[Trooper13]

Trooper, I hadn't even considered that with the Bio-Vipers. That is certainly a great theory.

As far as Blueshirts go, it doesn't need to be gory or obvious, but I don't know why they can't just have the lasers hit the soldiers. I mean, Scarlett took a direct hit in the series opener, and just sort of recovered, why can't they do something similar with the Cobra's?

It doesn't have to specify whether they died or not, but just having the blueshirts in there getting hit every once in a while wouldn't be a bad thing.

Justin

I totally agree. Scarlet got hit with one of the "blasters" and it was basically a shock, right? Like it could be fatal if hit enough times, but it pretty much dropped her. So there's no reason with these laser weapons that they can't have a full blown firefight.

As long as the Joes are on the run, they'll shoot, drop the blueshirts, and it's not like they're going to take the time to go finish anyone off. They're just trying to escape all the time. I don't see what the issue would be. They could even go so far as to make the issue more "Realistic" by saying that the Cobra's use full power fatal blasts, but the Joes have to reduce thier power level to "conserve ammo" because they only have two batteries a piece. So they have to recharge in between encounters. Where as the Cobras are fully armed with battery packs.

[Troynos]

It was nice to see the Joe's caring about ammo for once.


Course that did lead to a pure A-Team moment, but it was good, so it's okay.

[Gatchaman]

It was nice to see the Joe's caring about ammo for once.


Course that did lead to a pure A-Team moment, but it was good, so it's okay.

I know, as soon as Duke said "We'll have to improvise" I half expected to hear the A-Team music start up.

[Troynos]

I know, as soon as Duke said "We'll have to improvise" I half expected to hear the A-Team music start up.

Same here.

[Trooper13]

My biggest gripe with the 3rd issue. I really hope this doesn't continue. It'll go a long ways towards hurting the show for me.

I thought he was handled brilliantly in the first couple of episodes. He caught Baroness in her lie, and was hot on their trail until LJ intervened. The way Flint got take out was BS. I don't see why they can't alternate pursuers. It would only make sense that Cobra wouldn't want to be seen pursuing the Joes. BIG mistake with this episode, imo. Also, it makes sense that everytime LJ intervenes on the Joes behalf that it sets him back an episode, while he picks up the trail. That way we don't get too much of any one faction, and it allows when either Cobra, or Flint is on their trail for them to be more competent.

[Troynos]

I thought he was handled brilliantly in the first couple of episodes. He caught Baroness in her lie, and was hot on their trail until LJ intervened. The way Flint got take out was BS. I don't see why they can't alternate pursuers. It would only make sense that Cobra wouldn't want to be seen pursuing the Joes. BIG mistake with this episode, imo. Also, it makes sense that everytime LJ intervenes on the Joes behalf that it sets him back an episode, while he picks up the trail. That way we don't get too much of any one faction, and it allows when either Cobra, or Flint is on their trail for them to be more competent.

Right. At some point it has to come where the Renegades are somewhere Flint has no clue. He has no idea where they went at the end of this episode. They could have gone east, west, north, south or anywhere in between. He doesn't even know what they are driving for a vehicle.

He doesn't know that they're still in the truck.

It'll be really bad if Flint is on their asses again at the start of the next episode.

Flint should show up at the end, gathering clues. He comes in to mop up the mess the Renegades leave and he starts seeing bits and pieces of what Cobra really is, but at the same time doing his duty.

Next episode should have him and his team combing the wreckage of the S-Mart and finding clues to where the Renegades went and what Cobra is up to.

[Zefram]

I totally agree. Scarlet got hit with one of the "blasters" and it was basically a shock, right? Like it could be fatal if hit enough times, but it pretty much dropped her. So there's no reason with these laser weapons that they can't have a full blown firefight.

I disagree. I don't think it would be any more responsible to show kids people repeatedly getting shot with no lasting consequences, armor or not, unless they are specifically said to have a stun setting.

One time a character actually got shot on Gargoyles, she was out of action for the whole next episode (and never left her gun out again). The realistic consequences, as well as not glorifying future shootouts, was probably why Disney was able to get away with it (damn I miss that show). Michael Weston on Burn Notice took a chest wound, and although he was able to continue functioning (after being in a coma for two days), they made a point to show how bad off he was and that even heroic willpower had limits, and that he hadn't fully recovered two eps later.

[Trooper13]

I disagree. I don't think it would be any more responsible to show kids people repeatedly getting shot with no lasting consequences, armor or not, unless they are specifically said to have a stun setting.

One time a character actually got shot on Gargoyles, she was out of action for the whole next episode (and never left her gun out again). The realistic consequences, as well as not glorifying future shootouts, was probably why Disney was able to get away with it (damn I miss that show). Michael Weston on Burn Notice took a chest wound, and although he was able to continue functioning (after being in a coma for two days), they made a point to show how bad off he was and that even heroic willpower had limits, and that he hadn't fully recovered two eps later.

Which I covered if you actually bothered to quote my entire post.

Also, I think that should be covered by them using "shock blasters" and not real guns. If you want "responsible" show them using real bullets and dying on a regular basis.

[Blue Ninja]

They made bludd too much of a ninja crossed w/ a refugee of a mad max movie. If it was me would have made a better assassin either storm shadow or firefly.

Hmmm, just cause he was good with a blade, does not make Bludd anything like a ninja.

[Mazinger]

Why not? Every other character was a ninja at some point or another. :)

[Gatchaman]

I disagree. I don't think it would be any more responsible to show kids people repeatedly getting shot with no lasting consequences, armor or not, unless they are specifically said to have a stun setting.

One time a character actually got shot on Gargoyles, she was out of action for the whole next episode (and never left her gun out again). The realistic consequences, as well as not glorifying future shootouts, was probably why Disney was able to get away with it (damn I miss that show). Michael Weston on Burn Notice took a chest wound, and although he was able to continue functioning (after being in a coma for two days), they made a point to show how bad off he was and that even heroic willpower had limits, and that he hadn't fully recovered two eps later.

I really loved that and gave props to Burn Notice for doing that. All other TV shows people get shot and the next episode it’s like nothing ever happened. I remember Sonny Crocket got shot and was in a coma for days. Next episode, just fine and dandy.

In case you didn’t already know Sonny Crocket was from Miami Vice.

[Zefram]

In case you didn’t already know Sonny Crocket was from Miami Vice.

<--- Child of the 80s. :)

[Gatchaman]

<--- Child of the 80s. :)


Yeah I figured most of us are, but just in case.

[Monkeywrench]

I think there's a vast overestimation of how many 6-10 year old kids (basically the target "kid" audience for the show) are playing "M" rated video games. Or even preteen kids in general playing "adult" video games. Most of the people snapping up GTA and Call of Duty are teenagers at the youngest, and full-fledged adults more often than not.

^ This

I don't know any kids under the age of 12 that are allowed to play Call of Duty or GTA.

I got to disagree with you guys. I play alot of video games and 95% of what I play is M rated games like CoD and GTA. I play these games online just like everybody else and there is a HUGE amount of kids who play these games online. 2 recent examples is Red Dead and Black ops. Both are M rated and I played with several kids online all the time. You hope on Black ops on a saturday morning-afternoon and it's all kids playing.

I don't have kids but many of friends and family do and they let there kids play anything. It's not like when we were kids and games like Mortal Kombat were getting brought to the supreme court. Violent games are the norm now.

[Trooper13]

I got to disagree with you guys. I play alot of video games and 95% of what I play is M rated games like CoD and GTA. I play these games online just like everybody else and there is a HUGE amount of kids who play these games online. 2 recent examples is Red Dead and Black ops. Both are M rated and I played with several kids online all the time. You hope on Black ops on a saturday morning-afternoon and it's all kids playing.

I don't have kids but many of friends and family do and they let there kids play anything. It's not like when we were kids and games like Mortal Kombat were getting brought to the supreme court. Violent games are the norm now.

You're not lying.

Personally, I don't let my kid play the shooters, and he's constantly complaining that "so-and-so's mom" and "so-and-so's dad" let his friends play. I know he's not lying, but I tell him that I just don't think it's appropriate for him.

I don't think he has any illusions about the seriousness of war. All the male members of both mine and my girl's family are veterans, and we make sure we don't shy away from the tough questions. We feel it's important to be upfront and honest about the realities of life with the kids.

However, I know that CoD and the like can be very "intense" games, and I think a kid's mind isn't really ready to handle that. Just my call as a parent, and I'm not pointing fingers at any one else. Also, alot of the game experience is enhanced by communicating and team work. Or atleast it's supposed to be.
However, as MW pointed out, if you log in on a Saturday afternoon it's all little kids swearing like sailors and truckers. It's pretty freakin' disgusting some of the language they use. While I'm definitely no angel, I don't think that type of behavior is appropriate for children, or for them to be around.

JMO, though.

[Monkeywrench]

You're not lying.

Personally, I don't let my kid play the shooters, and he's constantly complaining that "so-and-so's mom" and "so-and-so's dad" let his friends play. I know he's not lying, but I tell him that I just don't think it's appropriate for him.

I don't think he has any illusions about the seriousness of war. All the male members of both mine and my girl's family are veterans, and we make sure we don't shy away from the tough questions. We feel it's important to be upfront and honest about the realities of life with the kids.

However, I know that CoD and the like can be very "intense" games, and I think a kid's mind isn't really ready to handle that. Just my call as a parent, and I'm not pointing fingers at any one else. Also, alot of the game experience is enhanced by communicating and team work. Or atleast it's supposed to be.
However, as MW pointed out, if you log in on a Saturday afternoon it's all little kids swearing like sailors and truckers. It's pretty freakin' disgusting some of the language they use. While I'm definitely no angel, I don't think that type of behavior is appropriate for children, or for them to be around.

JMO, though.

I respect that. Since i don't have kids, I don't know what I would do. I know my parents never restricted me when it came to movies and games and I'm gratefull for that. My friends who's parents did, loved coming over to my place to enjoy the stuff that they couldn't.

Your right about the sailor mouths. I'm awful and these little kids can make me blush sometimes. The racial slurs and the non stop swearing and talking smack to everyone is nuts. I don't play saturday afternoon often because i'm normally sleeping or working but when I do, I have to use the mute button.

[Trooper13]

I respect that. Since i don't have kids, I don't know what I would do. I know my parents never restricted me when it came to movies and games and I'm gratefull for that. My friends who's parents did, loved coming over to my place to enjoy the stuff that they couldn't.

Your right about the sailor mouths. I'm awful and these little kids can make me blush sometimes. The racial slurs and the non stop swearing and talking smack to everyone is nuts. I don't play saturday afternoon often because i'm normally sleeping or working but when I do, I have to use the mute button.

Well, my kid is 8. So I honestly think developmentally games like that are easy to get "lost" in, and it's too young. When he's a teenager I'm sure I'll be fine with it, and by then I'm sure he'll be mature enough to handle it both in terms of behavior and ability to deal with the stimuli.

As far as the language it is pretty ridiculous. I would never want my child to think I find anyone saying some of the kinds of things that can be heard on there is okay to say at ANY age. I hate having to mute, it totally defeats the purpose of the objective based games. It's really kind of depressing that people can't be responsible enough to behave themselves in a format like that.

[Zefram]

Your right about the sailor mouths. I'm awful and these little kids can make me blush sometimes. The racial slurs and the non stop swearing and talking smack to everyone is nuts. I don't play saturday afternoon often because i'm normally sleeping or working but when I do, I have to use the mute button.

As far as the language it is pretty ridiculous. I would never want my child to think I find anyone saying some of the kinds of things that can be heard on there is okay to say at ANY age. I hate having to mute, it totally defeats the purpose of the objective based games. It's really kind of depressing that people can't be responsible enough to behave themselves in a format like that.

No argument from me, but it's a bit hard for me to complain about foul language in a game with simulated head-shots and blood spray. I'm genuinely curious what George Carlin would have had to say about it.

[spike78a]

is it just me or does major bludd kinda look like hitler. all he needs is the moustache.

[Zefram]

is it just me or does major bludd kinda look like hitler. all he needs is the moustache.

Nope, not seeing it.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/h-chan.jpg

[Snake Shadow09]

is that major bludd guy ment to be aussie or?

[takedown]

Right. At some point it has to come where the Renegades are somewhere Flint has no clue. He has no idea where they went at the end of this episode. They could have gone east, west, north, south or anywhere in between. He doesn't even know what they are driving for a vehicle.

He doesn't know that they're still in the truck.

It'll be really bad if Flint is on their asses again at the start of the next episode.

Flint should show up at the end, gathering clues. He comes in to mop up the mess the Renegades leave and he starts seeing bits and pieces of what Cobra really is, but at the same time doing his duty.

Next episode should have him and his team combing the wreckage of the S-Mart and finding clues to where the Renegades went and what Cobra is up to.

Troynos, yeah your right, your hired. :D

My reasoning to transfer Flint was about how Hasbro is treating him in this incarnation. I was hoping he could be relieved of such humiliation. Tho, it doesnt look good for Flint. Hasbro probably thinks kids dont want to see the research phase, they expect kids want to see Flint in action and clueless, and hopes the kids make that connection on their own and thats why inspection of the 'crime scene' was shown on the pilot 2-parter. So you kinda get the feeling that is what Flint is doing during the off-camera time. Im sad to say it, I hope Im wrong, but now, Flint will be the angry chaser that provides comedy relief. He will be shown much like Colonel Decker and Lynch, a laughing stock. Since Renegades entire purpose is to recreate the A Team and make money for the GI JOE brand name.

I mean Flint was my favorite and hero as a kid, he was from my hometown, I could imagine him going thru life. Special Forces who also is trained as a Helicopter pilot from Wichita Kansas "The Air Capital of the World". His name could have even been a wordpun like Alpine's but not as obvious, Dashiell Faireborn, they gave him a distinct sounding WASP first name, with a last name that could mean "An indian born with fair skin", like one grandparent who was full-blooded indian. It's a possibility to why hasbro mispelled Fairbairn to make a small word-pun like that. Because, Wichita is a city with indian origins and the city has become mutt-like with Indian blood. His codename FLINT, a rock which had many uses in indian (native american) life. The Flint Hills of Kansas are an hour or two outside Wichita (depends if Crankcase is driving). Flint became a Rhodes Scholar in English Lit, He joined the Army where he was the Special Forces, and finally a Helo pilot. And then joined GI JOE.

I didnt like the Spy Troops and Vvs.V portrayal of Flint. Because it made him sound stupid like Rambo and not educated. Flint is an English lit major, he's someone who would have nuggets of information like knowing the spelling of words sideways and his speech would be littered with play on words. Flint was someone who had learned what was taught in school and the Army and use it to the best of his ability.

So hopefully they treat him better in Renegades quick.

[spike78a]

Nope, not seeing it.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/h-chan.jpg

that picture is disturbing on so many levels! first that someone decided to draw hitler in a "cute" fashion, and second those eyelashes!

[spike78a]

is that major bludd guy ment to be aussie or?

yeah i think so, and it look like he stole mad max's ride too.

[Akunin]

i like it so far the story is fresh and original

I disagree. Original? This is the A-team plain and simple (yawn), been there done that... and recently too. The basic story line is what I find the most unappealing. Even the opening narration reminded me of the A-Team intro. Very Unoriginal material.

"and Flint's Jeep"

A minor irratation for me is that they keep calling that a "Jeep". That is NOT a Jeep! :)

And what will kill my total interest in this show is if they expand any further on Cobra's leader is part snake crap. Cobra-la killed my joe passion for nearly 20 years the last time. That will be the final nail in the coffin if thats the case.

[RenHoek]

I disagree. Original? This is the A-team plain and simple (yawn), been there done that... and recently too. The basic story line is what I find the most unappealing. Even the opening narration reminded me of the A-Team intro. Very Unoriginal material.



Puh-leeze, this is nothing like the A-Team. A-Team didn't have ninjas or goo-monsters or badass Aussie mercs. Take that as what you will, but the only way this is like A-Team is if you cut the plot down to nothing but 5 words: Framed soldiers on the run. Sheesh.

[Akunin]

Puh-leeze, this is nothing like the A-Team. A-Team didn't have ninjas or goo-monsters or badass Aussie mercs. Take that as what you will, but the only way this is like A-Team is if you cut the plot down to nothing but 5 words: Framed soldiers on the run. Sheesh.

So, what your saying is that this original work of "art" has based the whole thing on the 80's?
A-Team... check
Mad Max.. check
Ninja's... check (bury that ninja crap already, tired and old)

and at least the tv series a-team didn't have to use stupid ass goo-monsters.

Bludd being badass? Am I the only one that nearly turned the set off after seeing him bench press that fork lift? Just another dumbass move from the producers of this increasingly lame train wreck.

So I stand corrected, its the A-team and more. There is nothing original about this at all, what other shows are they going to borrow ideas from?

[takedown]

Puh-leeze, this is nothing like the A-Team. A-Team didn't have ninjas or goo-monsters or badass Aussie mercs. Take that as what you will, but the only way this is like A-Team is if you cut the plot down to nothing but 5 words: Framed soldiers on the run. Sheesh.

Uhh sure its the A team. Murdock was a martial artist in his own mind. Aussie mercs was in a few episodes dealing with poach hunters in Africa and also a few gun running aussie mercs down in south america. Computers and hackers are even addressed in the A-Team, tho most of them back then were TRS-80's.

Murdock is Snake Eyes

[RenHoek]

Ninja's... check (bury that ninja crap already, tired and old)

Your avatar's a freaking ninja, dude. Seriously?
Anyways, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm not gonna bring up an argument about this tonight.

[RenHoek]

Uhh sure its the A team. Murdock was a martial artist in his own mind. Aussie mercs was in a few episodes dealing with poach hunters in Africa and also a few gun running aussie mercs down in south america. Computers and hackers are even addressed in the A-Team, tho most of them back then were TRS-80's.

But did they have goo-monsters?

[Akunin]

Your avatar's a freaking ninja, dude. Seriously?
Anyways, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm not gonna bring up an argument about this tonight.

And I was just stating that. My opinion, like it or not there it is. As for my Avatar, yeah its a ninja. I like the art and think its a cool picture. I like bow hunting and that pic has some fond memories to go with it, and the fact that (ironically) v2 Storm Shadow was the only Joe I had left after my stepdad had my collection shot to crap as a kid (thread about that somewhere). But like I said about the cartoon, I'm tired of them being in GIJoe.

[takedown]

But did they have goo-monsters?

You really want me to go there dont you, not that its relevant, but since you asked for it.

One of Hannibal's recurring disguises, was a green-ish blue creature-like, bi-pedal, stands erect, dragon monster. Which during John Hannibal Smith's 'off-camera' time he's a stunt man. Several times for filming he is a creature from some Lagoon. I bet he created some goo during his off-camera time. Kinda reminds me of the bio-vipers.

[RenHoek]

You really want me to go there dont you, not that its relevant, but since you asked for it.

One of Hannibal's recurring disguises, was a green-ish blue creature-like, bi-pedal, stands erect, dragon monster. Which during John Hannibal Smith's 'off-camera' time he's a stunt man. Several times for filming he is a creature from some Lagoon. I bet he created some goo during his off-camera time. Kinda reminds me of the bio-vipers.

Wow. That's crazy as hell.

[Burning Saber]

Renegades is totally the A-Team. The only thing thats missing from the intro is the old A-Team music, even the narration is very similar. Yes, the characters are completely different, but the concept is the same.
Hey, I loved the old A-Team show, and I'm really enjoying Renegades. But honestly, lets call a spade a spade. Renegades is "Heavily influenced" by the A-Team.

[Trooper13]

A minor irratation for me is that they keep calling that a "Jeep". That is NOT a Jeep! :)

Well I KNOW it's not a real Jeep, but it's some sort of tactical vehicle that looks like they wanted to blend a Hummer and Jeep together. I don't know what else to call it. It's the easiest thing to type and we all seem to know what each other is talking about. lol
I've owned a CJ7 in my day. I miss that beast. We'll have to come up with some other name for his vehicle. Maybe we could just change what VAMP stands for and it can be that. Something like...

Vehicle for Ass Monkey Pursuit


Troy's gonna hate me for that one. :/

[Jmacq1]

Troynos, yeah your right, your hired. :D

My reasoning to transfer Flint was about how Hasbro is treating him in this incarnation. I was hoping he could be relieved of such humiliation. Tho, it doesnt look good for Flint. Hasbro probably thinks kids dont want to see the research phase, they expect kids want to see Flint in action and clueless, and hopes the kids make that connection on their own and thats why inspection of the 'crime scene' was shown on the pilot 2-parter. So you kinda get the feeling that is what Flint is doing during the off-camera time. Im sad to say it, I hope Im wrong, but now, Flint will be the angry chaser that provides comedy relief. He will be shown much like Colonel Decker and Lynch, a laughing stock. Since Renegades entire purpose is to recreate the A Team and make money for the GI JOE brand name.

I mean Flint was my favorite and hero as a kid, he was from my hometown, I could imagine him going thru life. Special Forces who also is trained as a Helicopter pilot from Wichita Kansas "The Air Capital of the World". His name could have even been a wordpun like Alpine's but not as obvious, Dashiell Faireborn, they gave him a distinct sounding WASP first name, with a last name that could mean "An indian born with fair skin", like one grandparent who was full-blooded indian. It's a possibility to why hasbro mispelled Fairbairn to make a small word-pun like that. Because, Wichita is a city with indian origins and the city has become mutt-like with Indian blood. His codename FLINT, a rock which had many uses in indian (native american) life. The Flint Hills of Kansas are an hour or two outside Wichita (depends if Crankcase is driving). Flint became a Rhodes Scholar in English Lit, He joined the Army where he was the Special Forces, and finally a Helo pilot. And then joined GI JOE.

I didnt like the Spy Troops and Vvs.V portrayal of Flint. Because it made him sound stupid like Rambo and not educated. Flint is an English lit major, he's someone who would have nuggets of information like knowing the spelling of words sideways and his speech would be littered with play on words. Flint was someone who had learned what was taught in school and the Army and use it to the best of his ability.

So hopefully they treat him better in Renegades quick.

Well, it's only been two episodes, but I thought Flint came across pretty well in the first two eps, particularly at the end of Descent part 2 when he moseys over to the Baroness and casually mentions "Oh, since you're not wearing a mask, clearly the virus is contained." He also comes across as instantly more bad-ass than virtually any other character on the show (though a lot of that is the voice actor). I think Flint knows Cobra isn't entirely on the up-and-up (Abernathy didn't seem to be entirely trusting of them, either). I also think a good chunk of his misfortune is in placing too much trust in Lady Jaye, who's playing for the other team.

I could envision that if they want Flint/LJ to become a couple, he might win her over by a casual admission that he doesn't really think Duke and Co. are guilty (he -knows- Duke, for crying out loud), but that he knows if Cobra finds them before he does, they'll never get any chance to prove their innocence. Bonus points if he makes the admission -after- he finds out she's been helping them (and doesn't turn her in for it). Or conversely reveals he knows Jaye's been aiding them from the get-go and it turns out to be a long-term plan cooked up by Flint and Abernathy to help them clear their name.

Either way, I understand the frustration with the "pursuer" role Flint's been placed into, but I think overall his portrayal has been good. He's shown intelligence and professionalism, and seems a lot more "polished" than any of the Joes except perhaps Scarlett and Snake-Eyes.

I think in the long run, Flint's going to end up looking very good, and will probably get his own "big damn heroes" moment by the end of the season, but yeah, he might have to play butt monkey for a few episodes until he gets there. My only fear would be Hasbro deciding they don't want two "leading men" and killing Flint off because they've been pushing Duke for the last 15 years.

[Trooper13]

No argument from me, but it's a bit hard for me to complain about foul language in a game with simulated head-shots and blood spray. I'm genuinely curious what George Carlin would have had to say about it.

That makes one of us. I could give a crap what George Carlin would have had to say about it.

The reality is that you hit the nail on the head. It's a GAME about simulated violence. It's a contest of skill. Just because the skill happens to be making your representation on screen kill people doesn't make it cool to run your mouth full of curse words and hate speech just because the people you are talking to aren't actually there to kick your face in, or actually shoot you.

If people can't differentiate simulated video game combat and real combat then they obviously haven't been in real combat and maybe they shouldn't be playing the game to begin with. What ticks me off most is when adults do it, and there are kids in the lobby. Granted, those kids shouldn't be there, but if They're that unable to control they're mouths infront of children maybe they should try putting down the controller and growing up a bit before playing a Mature rated game.

Everyone slips and let's out a damn, or sh*t, or an F bomb now and then when they screw up. However, some of the vile language that is spewed on LIVE would be actionable if spoken to someone in public.

All that being said. I don't think it's MS's place, or anyone elses to govern it. I just think it sucks that people are that irresponsible with what comes out of their mouths. It's kind of sad. I generally mute, or ignore people if they are that bad. It's ridiculous how often I have to sit there and listen to morons volley back and forth racial slurs at each other because one of them was "camping", or over the other players choice of weapon. It's just stupifying.

[Jmacq1]

I got to disagree with you guys. I play alot of video games and 95% of what I play is M rated games like CoD and GTA. I play these games online just like everybody else and there is a HUGE amount of kids who play these games online. 2 recent examples is Red Dead and Black ops. Both are M rated and I played with several kids online all the time. You hope on Black ops on a saturday morning-afternoon and it's all kids playing.

I don't have kids but many of friends and family do and they let there kids play anything. It's not like when we were kids and games like Mortal Kombat were getting brought to the supreme court. Violent games are the norm now.

Are you polling these "kids" as to their ages or doing some in-depth study of their birthdays? I rather kind of doubt it. Or are you just assuming they're preteens rather than say, 12 and 13 year olds?

Once again the "kids" this show is targeting are basically 6-11 year olds or even 6-10 year olds. I still rather suspect the "kids" you're talking about are 12+ and already edging outside of who this show is really aimed at (at least in terms of who they hope/expect to sell toys to).

[Trooper13]

Are you polling these "kids" as to their ages or doing some in-depth study of their birthdays? I rather kind of doubt it. Or are you just assuming they're preteens rather than say, 12 and 13 year olds?

Once again the "kids" this show is targeting are basically 6-11 year olds or even 6-10 year olds. I still rather suspect the "kids" you're talking about are 12+ and already edging outside of who this show is really aimed at (at least in terms of who they hope/expect to sell toys to).

I'm telling you that my son's eight year old friends almost ALL play CoD, Gears of War, and Fallout. I don't let my son play them, and there are a few other kids he hangs out with that their parents don't either. However, I can tell you that there is a sizeable chunk of that gaming community that is under 13. It's pretty disturbing. you can choose not to believe that, but you're only fooling yourself.

[Sunbow_Joe84]

here's a brilliant thought. why not have parents screen what their kids play and decide what is or is not appropriate. god forbid a parent actually raise their kids. I have a 10 yr. old nephew I raise. his mom is a drug addict and his dad hasn't been seen in a decade. anyways. he only plays games I approve of. and if i do let him on the rare occasion play CoD online or any other FPS I turn off the audio. I have n fear that he'll become some blood thirsty killer however foul language is a possibility and I will not tolerate that in my household.

[Trooper13]

here's a brilliant thought. why not have parents screen what their kids play and decide what is or is not appropriate. god forbid a parent actually raise their kids. I have a 10 yr. old nephew I raise. his mom is a drug addict and his dad hasn't been seen in a decade. anyways. he only plays games I approve of. and if i do let him on the rare occasion play CoD online or any other FPS I turn off the audio. I have n fear that he'll become some blood thirsty killer however foul language is a possibility and I will not tolerate that in my household.

Which is my point. While I take responsibility for my kid and what he plays, I'm also a responsible enough adult to be able to control myself. However, that doesn't seem to be the norm, apparently.

[Sunbow_Joe84]

Which is my point. While I take responsibility for my kid and what he plays, I'm also a responsible enough adult to be able to control myself. However, that doesn't seem to be the norm, apparently.

I hear that. it seems no one has the courage to be strict anymore. He is very aware of the rules and that this is my house. I don't spoil him. I make him earn his rewards. but his rewards have been great too. last year he made straight A's. I'm very proud of him. I took him to wwe smackdown the day after school let out. He's a joe fan too. watches all the different animated series and collects the toys. so even though I hold him to a high standard he still thinks I'm the "cool" one. all it takes is the willingness to put in the time.

[Jmacq1]

I'm telling you that my son's eight year old friends almost ALL play CoD, Gears of War, and Fallout. I don't let my son play them, and there are a few other kids he hangs out with that their parents don't either. However, I can tell you that there is a sizeable chunk of that gaming community that is under 13. It's pretty disturbing. you can choose not to believe that, but you're only fooling yourself.

Enough of a "sizeable chunk" that Hasbro should simply allow "human" characters to be gunned down with impunity on what's supposed to be a children's television show, as was MonkeyWrench's suggestion?

[Trooper13]

No, but a sizeable enough chunk that we could see them hit by the "stun blasters" that are used on this show that Zef seems to claim would be irresponsible. We've already seen Scarlet hit by them and was merely downed. The implication was that a stronger, or more repeated shots could be fatal. If that wasn't responsible then neither was my suggestion. In Zef's vein of thinking, that "dumbing down" the seriousness of firearms would be irresponsible, then MW is partially right. The only responsible way to show soldiers engaging their enemy is to have them use real guns and for people to die. Because that is what really happens.

You can't say that to sometimes have people hit by imaginary blasters and not die would be responsible, but to have them hit with the same blasters once on a regular basis and be incapacitated EVERYTIME would be irresponsible. There is absolutely no logic to that. The only thing they take away from it either way is that "stun blasters" don't kill you. The only way to disprove that is to next have someone killed by one. At that point you've completely lost the entire point of having replaced the real guns altogether.

I'm all for the "stun blasters" and them being less then lethal in small doses, but you can't call seeing a few blueshirts get KO'd every couple of weeks irresponsible use of imaginary firearms. It's forcing one's own irrational feeling on the amount of acceptable imaginary violence on the argument.

[Jmacq1]

Or you avoid the entire issue by making the cannon fodder of the enemy nonhuman. Problem solved. Now your heroes can actually look reasonably effective without having a massive cost in fictional human lives, or cheapening it all down to "Oh they're just stun blasters" and thus removing virtually any sense of danger from pretty much any of the battles.

Contrary to what you seem to think I wasn't ever arguing about "Stun blasters" being "irresponsible." Merely pointing out what should be the obvious: Hasbro doesn't want the Joes gunning down "people" every week, regardless of whether they're using "stun blasters" or not.

If they did, that's what they'd be doing. They're not, so we can either accept this as the status quo on this primarily-for-children program, or just continue to complain about something that's rather unlikely to change.

[Trooper13]

Or you avoid the entire issue by making the cannon fodder of the enemy nonhuman. Problem solved.

Right, but then again, why the blasters? Or why even use blueshirts in the first place? If they were fighting only BV's, or BATS in the old days then bullets and real grenades wouldn't be an issue since the enemy isn't human. The reality is that the enemy, and all of their cannon fodder isn't non-human. Just some of it. So which begs the question, if the enemy we first see is human, and everyone is using stun blasters, then why the BV at all?

You're trying to make the situation fit your argument, not the other way around. The first enemy we see the Joes take on are the Troopers. Who use "stun blasters". The Joes then use them, and tangle with the Bio-Viper. So if the blasters were used so that exchanges in fire between human enemies would be "okay", then we didn't need the Bio-Viper. However, you're saying that the enemies cannon fodder is non-human so it's not an issue and they "solved" it. However, niether of those statements are true. Some of the cannon fodder is non-human, and the Bio-Vipers didn't solve anything.

[Trooper13]

I'm just pointing out the holes in the entire logic of the argument. If you're going to dumb down the seriousness, and power of the firearms used, and it's not irresponsible. Then using them more often doesn't make them irresponsible, either. It's the whole point of doing it in the first place. I don't want to see real bullets on a kids TV program, but we've gone back to the sunbow days of "hey, no one can shoot worth a sh*t unless it's at a non-human target, or an inanimate object." It was insulting when i was a kid, and kids no days are much more "with it".

[Jmacq1]

Right, but then again, why the blasters? Or why even use blueshirts in the first place? If they were fighting only BV's, or BATS in the old days then bullets and real grenades wouldn't be an issue since the enemy isn't human. The reality is that the enemy, and all of their cannon fodder isn't non-human. Just some of it. So which begs the question, if the enemy we first see is human, and everyone is using stun blasters, then why the BV at all?

You're trying to make the situation fit your argument, not the other way around. The first enemy we see the Joes take on are the Troopers. Who use "stun blasters". The Joes then use them, and tangle with the Bio-Viper. So if the blasters were used so that exchanges in fire between human enemies would be "okay", then we didn't need the Bio-Viper. However, you're saying that the enemies cannon fodder is non-human so it's not an issue and they "solved" it. However, niether of those statements are true. Some of the cannon fodder is non-human, and the Bio-Vipers didn't solve anything.

Scarlett explicitly put on body armor before getting hit with that "stun blaster" and her reaction was a (relatively) realistic portrayal of someone surviving a bullet strike to body armor (which is to say it's going to hurt like heck and may well take you out of commission for a few minutes, if not longer). Rather an important detail, as there's a definite implication that without the body armor she would, at the very least, have been more severely injured, if not killed.

There's no confirmation at all that the Troopers were using "stun blasters." As far as I recall, we never see the Joes actually "hit" any of the enemy troopers with the "supposedly-stun-blasters" either. Snake-Eyes basically takes them down in a bloodless and pretty explicitly non-lethal fashion (since the guards are all waking up in the closet later).

If it's your supposition that Hasbro's already shown us that "killing humans is OK" then why DIDN'T they use blueshirts for episode 3?

[Trooper13]

Scarlett explicitly put on body armor before getting hit with that "stun blaster" and her reaction was a (relatively) realistic portrayal of someone surviving a bullet strike to body armor (which is to say it's going to hurt like heck and may well take you out of commission for a few minutes, if not longer). Rather an important detail, as there's a definite implication that without the body armor she would, at the very least, have been more severely injured, if not killed.

There's no confirmation at all that the Troopers were using "stun blasters." As far as I recall, we never see the Joes actually "hit" any of the enemy troopers with the "supposedly-stun-blasters" either. Snake-Eyes basically takes them down in a bloodless and pretty explicitly non-lethal fashion (since the guards are all waking up in the closet later).


If it's your supposition that Hasbro's already shown us that "killing humans is OK" then why DIDN'T they use blueshirts for episode 3?



The Blueshirts also wear bodyarmor. Also, the effects of getting hit by a bullet with body armor on depends on the round you're hit with. You just proved my point, the Joes never hit sh*t, but they can hit BV's all day. So all kids have seen from this show is that the blasters don't kill, or atleast aren't likely to since most of the soldiers wear the armor. However, when the BV's show up, or Scarlet needs to shoot a powerline with a crossbow she can not only hit it, but disconnect the thing at will.

As far as why they didn't use Blueshirts for Episode 3, that's simple. Bludd wouldn't have been able to tool around in his sweet supercharged deathmachine with a platoon of Shirts in tow. However, the BV's could be conviently stowed away in those crates. It was simply a plot device to add to the tension. They thought they had Bludd, then he turned the tables on them. It's simple.

[Jmacq1]

The Blueshirts also wear bodyarmor. Also, the effects of getting hit by a bullet with body armor on depends on the round you're hit with. You just proved my point, the Joes never hit sh*t, but they can hit BV's all day. So all kids have seen from this show is that the blasters don't kill, or atleast aren't likely to since most of the soldiers wear the armor. However, when the BV's show up, or Scarlet needs to shoot a powerline with a crossbow she can not only hit it, but disconnect the thing at will.

As far as why they didn't use Blueshirts for Episode 3, that's simple. Bludd wouldn't have been able to tool around in his sweet supercharged deathmachine with a platoon of Shirts in tow. However, the BV's could be conviently stowed away in those crates. It was simply a plot device to add to the tension. They thought they had Bludd, then he turned the tables on them. It's simple.

And the ability to actually show the bio-vipers getting shot full of holes or get them cut into pieces by Ninja swords plays absolutely no part in the decision to use them? Riiiight. The "plot device to add tension" would have been no different if a squad of "blueshirts" popped up from behind the shelves and crates, and it's doubtful any kids would have questioned where they came from.

The blueshirts wear bodyarmor? You assume they do, but they never actually showed us whether that was the case or not, unlike the case of Scarlett. Beyond that, of the five major engagements we've seen on the show so far, three of them have been against the "nonhuman" opponents (with or without the support of "named" villain characters), one against a solo "named" villain, and a solitary skirmish with "human" cannon fodder that doesn't look to be the norm.

Are you honestly trying to argue that it's clearly not Hasbro's policy that the Joes avoid shooting up/carving up "human" opponents on the show?

[Trooper13]

And the ability to actually show the bio-vipers getting shot full of holes or get them cut into pieces by Ninja swords plays absolutely no part in the decision to use them? Riiiight.

You are still missing the point. If they created the Vipers so that the Joes could trash them then they wouldn't need the troopers or the blasters. If they created the blasters to have human targets engage each other then they wouldn't need the vipers. You stated that they "solved the problem" with the vipers. However, they didn't. They obviously have no problem showing someone getting shot, since we saw Scarlet go down. As far as being "shot full of holes", or "cut into pieces" it goes back to the same thing. It only happens when it's non-human or inanimate. It's lame, and it insults the intelligence of the audience. The whole purpose of the blasters was to be able to show people getting shot, but not show blood. If that's the case, why aren't they shooting people? If they weren't going to be hitting anyone, then they could still use bullets and shoot the BV's full of holes with them. Scarlet's body armor would have still saved her, without showing blood. The entire logical base of the argument is failed because they "dumbed down" the firearms, yet still refuse to use them on the targets they were made to be dumbed down to use upon.

[Jmacq1]

I think you're making some pretty broad assumptions as to the "policy" reasons behind the "laser blasters" without any real factual basis to back them up.

Hint: It likely has a lot more to do with the weapons themselves not looking or shooting like "real" guns than the actual in-show lethality levels they're supposed to be capable of.

In other words, they very well may not have been made "laser blasters" to tone down the lethality against "human" opponents, but instead to avoid the stigma of using "real" guns on the show. It's more likely an attempt to capitalize on the "Star Wars" effect...where parents who oppose "gun violence" won't buy their kids Joes but will buy them Clone Troopers galore despite plenty of death getting doled out by those "laser blasters" in the media.

I re-iterate, we have no confirmation that the "laser blasters" are "stun blasters" as you seem to adamantly believe that they are. An armored combatant getting hit with one is far from "proof" that their default setting (if they even have multiple settings) is "nonlethal."

But if it's "lame" then I would posit you may as well stop watching now, because it's unlikely bordering on impossible that it's going to change, no matter how much adult fans complain about it.

[Zefram]

No, but a sizeable enough chunk that we could see them hit by the "stun blasters" that are used on this show that Zef seems to claim would be irresponsible. We've already seen Scarlet hit by them and was merely downed. The implication was that a stronger, or more repeated shots could be fatal. If that wasn't responsible then neither was my suggestion. In Zef's vein of thinking, that "dumbing down" the seriousness of firearms would be irresponsible, then MW is partially right. The only responsible way to show soldiers engaging their enemy is to have them use real guns and for people to die. Because that is what really happens.

You can't say that to sometimes have people hit by imaginary blasters and not die would be responsible, but to have them hit with the same blasters once on a regular basis and be incapacitated EVERYTIME would be irresponsible. There is absolutely no logic to that. The only thing they take away from it either way is that "stun blasters" don't kill you. The only way to disprove that is to next have someone killed by one. At that point you've completely lost the entire point of having replaced the real guns altogether.

I'm all for the "stun blasters" and them being less then lethal in small doses, but you can't call seeing a few blueshirts get KO'd every couple of weeks irresponsible use of imaginary firearms. It's forcing one's own irrational feeling on the amount of acceptable imaginary violence on the argument.

The entire argument is moot because there is no way anyone running a show aimed at kids, no matter how much action in it, will have...

a) Any kind of body count (a main character dying is for drama, blue-shirts dying would be glorifying it, so they're actually more safe).

b) Realistic guns without realistically depicting the danger of them without conflicting the previous rule (people seem to forget that last part).

If you have a problem with this, leave now, because it's not going to change regardless of how harmful or not we might think it is or what caveats we come up with that the network will simply ignore. If you need death and blood and gore to enjoy something, go start a Rollerball league.

You've also seemed to miss the point of my previous post. Exposure to the words, shit, piss, fuck, pussy, or sonofabitch is more harmful than glorifying realistic violence? Such thinking is just a symptom of how utterly fucked we are as a species.

[Freedom]

Bonus points if he makes the admission -after- he finds out she's been helping them (and doesn't turn her in for it). Or conversely reveals he knows Jaye's been aiding them from the get-go and it turns out to be a long-term plan cooked up by Flint and Abernathy to help them clear their name.
Like this idea.

My only fear would be Hasbro deciding they don't want two "leading men" and killing Flint off because they've been pushing Duke for the last 15 years.
Don't like this idea.

I like the thought of Flint recruiting a few more known Joes for his team, and eventually Flint's team and Duke's team combining to form the official G.I.Joe team.

[dj7000]

the blueshirts are the security guards. the blasters are like stun guns. It wouldnt make sense for an imdustry to have it's own infantry. Security detail? absolutely

[MFJayman]

I suppose the fact that they have included these fictional “laser guns” or “blaster guns” does allow them to avoid the stigma of “real guns”, and gives them quite a bit of room to play around with the properties of the ammunition, such as perhaps adjusting the level of power, lower for “stun” and higher for a lethal shot. I like the idea of that. I think that if they would establish in the show that there is a “stun” setting on the guns, and showed perhaps a Joe (or a blueshirt) getting struck, collapsing, and one of his buddies checking him and telling the others, “He’s out, but he’s alive! Their guns must be set to STUN!” Something like that.
It would also be quite useful, in my view, for Cobra to be using less-than-lethal shots against the Joes, so that they can actually succeed in bringing in the Joes alive. If they would actually be interested in still doing that at all, at this point. Not sure. It might be good PR, showing that, “hey, we could have just killed these terrorists and saboteurs, but we’re not like that, we were careful and brought in these criminals alive.”

[MFJayman]

I think that with Scarlett being shot in the chest early on, after demonstrating in the chopper that she was wearing a protective vest, sets a good precedent for people getting shot with the blasters, and having it be assumed, unless otherwise shown, that the person survived. It showed the results of the chest shot, that it was temporarily incapacitating, enough to put her out of the fight. Duke and RB are also clearly wearing armor—RB’s especially seems to be modeled directly on modern Kevlar vests.
Now if they would just show a Cobra trooper strapping on an armored vest and being shot in the chest and surviving, then I think a similar precedent would be set for the Cobra side.
And they wouldn’t even have to show with any great frequency that the shots are connecting, IMO. I think there are plenty of ways to show that individuals have been struck, without actually showing the shots connecting.

[Zefram]

The reality is, even most direct hits in actual combat aren't instantly fatal. It would be nice to at least else's someone's arm or leg getting bandaged. It could show the lethality without actualy having on-screen death.

Of course given the holes the blasters make in the bio-vipers...

That's one of the reasons I dug The 6th Day. They had blasters to avoid an R-rating, but then had people losing entire limbs from a single hit. :D

[Tanksmasher]

So "Alvin Kibbey" (Breaker) makes an appearance as the techie but he seems more like a computer specialist than a comm specialist. I suppose we won't be seeing Mainframe then.

[Shin Densetsu]

I just want a well written cartoon. I don't like the Bio Viper.

[Mr.Kane]

Bludd to me look like A Dread extra. loved the voice though. Breaker wow didn't see that coming at all. Looks A lil weak so far will see what happens. Can't wait to see who else might show up I for 1 hope we see Stalker at some point weather it be wit Dukes team or Flints.

[Blue Ninja]

I wanna see Bludd incharge of Blueshirts, not Bio-Vipers. Save the Bio-Vipers for Mindbender. Can't wait for Destro.

I think Bludd wasn't planning to bring anyone. The vipers were just "boxed" there, and he took advantage of their presence.

[Trooper13]

I think Bludd wasn't planning to bring anyone. The vipers were just "boxed" there, and he took advantage of their presence.

No doubt. I really like this Bludd. He's scrappy, and sharp at the same time. I hope, much like I hope with Flint, that they don't make him into a stooge. I really like both the pursuers so far in this show and I hope they are handled with respect.

[Akunin]

Well I KNOW it's not a real Jeep, but it's some sort of tactical vehicle that looks like they wanted to blend a Hummer and Jeep together. I don't know what else to call it. It's the easiest thing to type and we all seem to know what each other is talking about. lol
I've owned a CJ7 in my day. I miss that beast. We'll have to come up with some other name for his vehicle. Maybe we could just change what VAMP stands for and it can be that. Something like...

Vehicle for Ass Monkey Pursuit


Troy's gonna hate me for that one. :/

The bastard offspring of a Hummer and Jeep? NOoooo!! :) I'm just bias. I've got a Cj5, Yj and a Tj. My uncle has his (units) issued jeep from Korea, restored and lookin fine! So whenever I hear "Jeep" in any context I swing my head around

[Trooper13]

The entire argument is moot because there is no way anyone running a show aimed at kids, no matter how much action in it, will have...

a) Any kind of body count (a main character dying is for drama, blue-shirts dying would be glorifying it, so they're actually more safe).

b) Realistic guns without realistically depicting the danger of them without conflicting the previous rule (people seem to forget that last part).

If you have a problem with this, leave now, because it's not going to change regardless of how harmful or not we might think it is or what caveats we come up with that the network will simply ignore. If you need death and blood and gore to enjoy something, go start a Rollerball league.

And you've entirely missed my point. I don't want bullets either, and I don't want blueshirts to die. However, we've already seen the blasters used to incapacitate people with body armor. SO I don't think it would be a far stretch to think that goes both ways. Unless only the Joes are able to take shots, and Cobras aren't. Which is just as irresponsible in a different way.

You've also seemed to miss the point of my previous post. Exposure to the words, shit, piss, fuck, pussy, or sonofabitch is more harmful than glorifying realistic violence? Such thinking is just a symptom of how utterly fucked we are as a species.

Oh no, I got what you meant. Apparently you missed the entire point of my post in that it really doesn't matter what the subject of the game is, it's a game. If people aren't able to grasp that concept and still be able to communicate in a civil fashion then they probably shouldn't be playing it at all.

Chess is a game that simulates war. However, you don't go to chess matches and see people screaming at each other about how they are a "Worthless f*ckin son of the c*nt of a cr*cker wh*re" or any other hate speech and vulgarity you want to think up.

[homer_sapien]

I'm liking this show a lot so far. I think it's a great update to Joe. The fact that's it's not simply Joe vs. Cobra is refreshing. Having Lady Jaye on the inside is a nice touch as well. And everyone knocks the biovipers, but they don't bother me too much, as I'm sure we'll be introduced to Cobra soldiers just as soon as their cover is fully blown. Maybe Season 2?

I don't really mind the bio vipers themselves, but like in this episode when Bludd let them loose I was really hoping for BATS at that point so the BV were a let down from that. I'm guessing that's going to happen week after week if they keep the BV's as the cannon fodder.

[Trooper13]

The bastard offspring of a Hummer and Jeep? NOoooo!! :) I'm just bias. I've got a Cj5, Yj and a Tj. My uncle has his (units) issued jeep from Korea, restored and lookin fine! So whenever I hear "Jeep" in any context I swing my head around

I hear ya. I miss my old CJ alot. I've been thinking about when finances get stable getting another Jeep, but I don't know if I've warmed up to the new ones yet. The higher end Wranglers still seem pretty nice, but the rest of the models don't even seem like Jeeps to me any more. You can't even get them in stick. :/

[Akunin]

I just want a well written cartoon. I don't like the Bio Viper.

I couldn't agree more. I don't care the Bio Viper at all either, much rather see some badass BATs instead

[Shin Densetsu]

I couldn't agree more. I don't care the Bio Viper at all either, much rather see some badass BATs instead

BATS>Bio Viper.

[Echo7Solo]

BATS>Bio Viper.

real troopers trump them all in my book. Both BATS and Bio Vipers can be cool if used right but just like ninjas they loose everything that makes them special when used too much.

I half expect Zef to quote this with a picture of Sgt. Slaughter standing on a pile of broken BATS

[MFJayman]

Speaking of all these blasters, how about seeing a little variation between them when they are shot? RB seems to have a pretty massive one, I'd think it'd be something akin to a heavy machine gun or something--I just think it'd be spitting out more powerful bolts, and at a faster rate, doing more damage...maybe it was and I just forgot.

[Trooper13]

real troopers trump them all in my book. Both BATS and Bio Vipers can be cool if used right but just like ninjas they loose everything that makes them special when used too much.

I almost hope if we do get BATs this time around that it's Destro, and not Mindbender who brings them to the table. BATs always seemed much more up Destro's alley, to me anyhow. Mindbender has his BV's now anyway.

[Akunin]

BATS>Bio Viper.

yeah, I know what your saying. But by badass i meant in a more Terminator type durability, no so easily dispatched. I find a robot "soldier" is more believeable than walking jello. I understand the role of the generic "fodder" role in cartoons (I feel its outdated though) but would love to see more Cobra troops. I hope the BioViper isn't the new BAT but it sure appears that way. Maybe they will just transition the bio into a new bio BAT! Perhaps there is something to having a skeleton! lol
I guess I just miss the classic Cobra soldier and hope we see more of them in upcoming episodes.

[Akunin]

I hear ya. I miss my old CJ alot. I've been thinking about when finances get stable getting another Jeep, but I don't know if I've warmed up to the new ones yet. The higher end Wranglers still seem pretty nice, but the rest of the models don't even seem like Jeeps to me any more. You can't even get them in stick. :/

I love the Tj model Rubicon, 6spd stick even! ;) $13k for 1 with less than 10k miles just sold recently. Ahh... dana 44's with lockers! Oh and to make this Joe related, This is the model Flint should be driving!!

[luigi]

real troopers trump them all in my book. Both BATS and Bio Vipers can be cool if used right but just like ninjas they loose everything that makes them special when used too much.

I half expect Zef to quote this with a picture of Sgt. Slaughter standing on a pile of broken BATS
heres the pic
http://www.joetoonarchive.com/albums/S2%20ASA%201/0161.gif
but im not zef though

[Zefram]

heres the pic
http://www.joetoonarchive.com/albums/S2%20ASA%201/0161.gif
but im not zef though

You have done well, my son.

[Blue Ninja]

How many people bought an A-Team van for their collection?



<raises hand> Other than the questionable production decision on the "easily removable" side door, it freakin' rocks.

It is currently helping the A-Team rescue the venerable Dr. Jones from pursuing Drednocks (on various 1:18 bikes and the doom cycle) and Maj. Bludd in the Steel Crusher.

[Blue Ninja]

Hahaha, I noticed that. Umm, maybe he's got some Cobra gear that gives him extra strength???

It's those SSS Mart Bagel dogs!

[Blue Ninja]

They're probably going for the scarred look... like they did in the Marvel comic series.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/snakeeyes0217/customs/SnakeEyes_Ultimate/comic.jpg

I always thought that they didn't make him scary enough in that pic. Should have been more burn damage...maybe not as much as Freddie, but in that vein.

[Jmacq1]

I always thought that they didn't make him scary enough in that pic. Should have been more burn damage...maybe not as much as Freddie, but in that vein.

Yeah, I always kind of felt like Snake-Eyes' face, when finally revealed, didn't justify the absolutely horrified and/or disgusted reactions that he garnered from people (and some rather hardened people to boot) prior to that. Then again, I also (as an adult) understand they couldn't make it -too- graphic in what was at the time a kids' comic book (and a "comic code approved" one, too). Though I think I remember reading somewhere that the face that was revealed was after he'd already undergone a ton of plastic surgeries, so maybe he was getting progressively better behind-the-scenes as the story went along. I think that's purely fanon, though.

On a completely unrelated note regarding the episode: There seems to be a belief that Breaker is a permanent addition to the team, and I'm curious as to why folks seem to think that? It seemed like at the end of the episode he was leaving despite the invitation to stick around...

[RolandofGilead]

Yup, Breaker got his new code name and left the scene. They did set it up so he can appear in an episode now and then when they need a computer hacker, but he's not a Joe. Not yet anyway.

[Blue Ninja]

Right, because G.I. Joe has always been such a bastion of military realism. Especially when it comes to fraternization.

That is fur sure. The cartoons are exactly like what my time in the army was.

Come on, man? Really? you got people talking about how Hawk would be force retired because of his injuries, How Breaker would stack up to a army comm specialist and a whole host of realistic vs fantasy stuff, and you think my post is noteworthy for it's application of facts to a fictional world?

Thank you.

[Blue Ninja]

...Michael Weston on Burn Notice took a chest wound, and although he was able to continue functioning (after being in a coma for two days), they made a point to show how bad off he was and that even heroic willpower had limits, and that he hadn't fully recovered two eps later.

Bonus Points for Burn Notice reference. (I thought they handled the GSW very well. Better than we have seen in many other shows for a long time (ever?), although I was worried for a bit that they were going to make that a season-long gimmick.) (And I am so wanting to do Mikey, Sam and Fi customs!)

[Jmacq1]

That is fur sure. The cartoons are exactly like what my time in the army was.

Come on, man? Really? you got people talking about how Hawk would be force retired because of his injuries, How Breaker would stack up to a army comm specialist and a whole host of realistic vs fantasy stuff, and you think my post is noteworthy for it's application of facts to a fictional world?

Thank you.

On Hawk, I give you General Fred Franks Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_M._Franks,_Jr.) who served as an armored corps commander during the first Gulf War despite having an artificial left leg. Pretty sure they'd let a highly competent and respected General stay in office with one eye, as long as he's not expected to be flying aircraft.

On Breaker, it's a moot point...the Renegades aren't exactly in a position to get themselves an army comm specialist.

Your post however, presented the military's fraternization policy as though it were established fact within the show's universe itself. There wasn't any caveat of "In the real world." Most of us are familiar with the "real world" fraternization policies because they've been discussed in the context of relationships within the G.I. Joe universe before. However we have yet to see an incarnation of the G.I. Joe universe where those regulations are strictly enforced...or even paid lip service. Expecting this one will be different in that regard seems a little counterintuitive based on past evidence.

[Monkeywrench]

Are you polling these "kids" as to their ages or doing some in-depth study of their birthdays? I rather kind of doubt it. Or are you just assuming they're preteens rather than say, 12 and 13 year olds?

Once again the "kids" this show is targeting are basically 6-11 year olds or even 6-10 year olds. I still rather suspect the "kids" you're talking about are 12+ and already edging outside of who this show is really aimed at (at least in terms of who they hope/expect to sell toys to).

No, I'm not polling these kids. However I do talk with some of them. The youngest one that has told me his age is 7. Trust me, you can tell the difference between 12-14 year olds and 7-10 year olds. I'm sorry man but your really out of touch on what kids are doing these days. I have no idea what there watching but I know for a Fact that these kids are playing mature rated games.

[Blue Ninja]

Why not? Every other character was a ninja at some point or another. :)

Stealth? LOL!

[Monkeywrench]

BATS>Bio Viper.

truth^^

[Blue Ninja]

On Hawk, I give you General Fred Franks Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_M._Franks,_Jr.) who served as an armored corps commander during the first Gulf War despite having an artificial left leg. Pretty sure they'd let a highly competent and respected General stay in office with one eye, as long as he's not expected to be flying aircraft.

On Breaker, it's a moot point...the Renegades aren't exactly in a position to get themselves an army comm specialist.

Your post however, presented the military's fraternization policy as though it were established fact within the show's universe itself. There wasn't any caveat of "In the real world." Most of us are familiar with the "real world" fraternization policies because they've been discussed in the context of relationships within the G.I. Joe universe before. However we have yet to see an incarnation of the G.I. Joe universe where those regulations are strictly enforced...or even paid lip service. Expecting this one will be different in that regard seems a little counterintuitive based on past evidence.

I am not pointing to the validity or "mootness" of the arguments I am just pointing to their existence. Heck, we had Duke saluting a Sgt. and then repeatedly dissing a Lt. We know that Joe bends the military rules.

And there is no saying that Flint and Lady Jaye won't hook up in the future. I'm just saying that the relationship could be viewed differently because of Flint's change in rank for the new show. Sharp writers will use that to their advantage and our benefit.

[Trooper13]

Why not? Every other character was a ninja at some point or another. :)

"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of a ninja clan?"

[Shin Densetsu]

Anyone think the creative team is going the Dr. Doom route and make Snake Eyes the bad guy with a disfigured face and mask? Only he is on the good guy side? Maybe he was bad then turned good.

[Monkeywrench]

Anyone think the creative team is going the Dr. Doom route and make Snake Eyes the bad guy with a disfigured face and mask? Only he is on the good guy side? Maybe he was bad then turned good.

I don't think they will go that way but it would be interesting if they do

[Blue Ninja]

"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of a ninja clan?"

First rule of ninjutsu: Anyone who says he is a ninja, isn't.

[Zefram]

First rule of ninjutsu: Anyone who says he is a ninja, isn't.

What if, knowing that, a ninja lies to you by telling you the truth? >.>

[Trooper13]

What if, knowing that, a ninja lies to you by telling you the truth? >.>


http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/djanonymous30/joey-lawrence.jpg

[Blue Ninja]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/djanonymous30/joey-lawrence.jpg

What if, knowing that, a ninja lies to you by telling you the truth? >.>

Glad you asked:

From Ninja Rule 1, sub paragraph A:
...Unless he is trying to trick you into thinking he is not a ninja by saying he is a ninja despite really being a ninja just trying to trick you. But then, what self-respecting ninja would do that?...
[from sub paragraph B]... A ninja will not admit being a ninja unless he suspect that denying being a ninja will make you believe that he is really trying to deceive you into think he is not a ninja by denying his non-ninjaness....
...[from sub paragraph G] ...unless he is a ninja but claims not to be a ninja in order to trick you into thinking that he is trying to trick into think he can't be a ninja because he is claiming to not be a ninja and this make you think that a ninja always denies being a ninja but by denying his ninja hood evokes the response that he is obviously a ninja is akin to admitting he is a ninja and thereby not a ninja...



Also See...The Ninja Speech:

I am not afraid of you. Do you know why?? I'll tell you why. I am not afraid of you because I could be a Ninja, and knowing that Ninjas know who Ninjas are and Not-Ninjas who Not-Ninjas are, I know that you are either not a Ninja or a Not-Ninja, still leaving you to fathom whether I am a Ninja, not a Ninja, a Not-Ninja, or perhaps not a Not-Ninja, and if, by chance, I were a Ninja or even not a Not-Ninja, something you will never know, I could subject you to evil and painful speeches that confuse the even the most brain-dead individuals to the most intelligent, you being the first of course. I could disappear like a Ninja or not a Not-Ninja or not like a Not-Ninja or unlike a person that was simply not a Ninja, and then reappear inside of you causing internal trauma to you and instant death, but, you being feeble minded and not a ninja or a Not-Ninja, are left to wonder if I am really a Ninja or not a Not-Ninja or am I only a lunatic Not-Ninja or not a Ninja. I pity you!

[RolandofGilead]

Glad you asked:

From Ninja Rule 1, sub paragraph A:
...Unless he is trying to trick you into thinking he is not a ninja by saying he is a ninja despite really being a ninja just trying to trick you. But then, what self-respecting ninja would do that?...
[from sub paragraph B]... A ninja will not admit being a ninja unless he suspect that denying being a ninja will make you believe that he is really trying to deceive you into think he is not a ninja by denying his non-ninjaness....
...[from sub paragraph G] ...unless he is a ninja but claims not to be a ninja in order to trick you into thinking that he is trying to trick into think he can't be a ninja because he is claiming to not be a ninja and this make you think that a ninja always denies being a ninja but by denying his ninja hood evokes the response that he is obviously a ninja is akin to admitting he is a ninja and thereby not a ninja...



Also See...The Ninja Speech:

I am not afraid of you. Do you know why?? I'll tell you why. I am not afraid of you because I could be a Ninja, and knowing that Ninjas know who Ninjas are and Not-Ninjas who Not-Ninjas are, I know that you are either not a Ninja or a Not-Ninja, still leaving you to fathom whether I am a Ninja, not a Ninja, a Not-Ninja, or perhaps not a Not-Ninja, and if, by chance, I were a Ninja or even not a Not-Ninja, something you will never know, I could subject you to evil and painful speeches that confuse the even the most brain-dead individuals to the most intelligent, you being the first of course. I could disappear like a Ninja or not a Not-Ninja or not like a Not-Ninja or unlike a person that was simply not a Ninja, and then reappear inside of you causing internal trauma to you and instant death, but, you being feeble minded and not a ninja or a Not-Ninja, are left to wonder if I am really a Ninja or not a Not-Ninja or am I only a lunatic Not-Ninja or not a Ninja. I pity you!


No wonder Snake Eyes never says anything. :D

[Monkeywrench]

Just watched the 3rd show again today. It's still awesome! I'm looking forward to seeing how there going to portray Breaker.

[Zefram]

Glad you asked:

From Ninja Rule 1, sub paragraph A:
...Unless he is trying to trick you into thinking he is not a ninja by saying he is a ninja despite really being a ninja just trying to trick you. But then, what self-respecting ninja would do that?...
[from sub paragraph B]... A ninja will not admit being a ninja unless he suspect that denying being a ninja will make you believe that he is really trying to deceive you into think he is not a ninja by denying his non-ninjaness....
...[from sub paragraph G] ...unless he is a ninja but claims not to be a ninja in order to trick you into thinking that he is trying to trick into think he can't be a ninja because he is claiming to not be a ninja and this make you think that a ninja always denies being a ninja but by denying his ninja hood evokes the response that he is obviously a ninja is akin to admitting he is a ninja and thereby not a ninja...



Also See...The Ninja Speech:

I am not afraid of you. Do you know why?? I'll tell you why. I am not afraid of you because I could be a Ninja, and knowing that Ninjas know who Ninjas are and Not-Ninjas who Not-Ninjas are, I know that you are either not a Ninja or a Not-Ninja, still leaving you to fathom whether I am a Ninja, not a Ninja, a Not-Ninja, or perhaps not a Not-Ninja, and if, by chance, I were a Ninja or even not a Not-Ninja, something you will never know, I could subject you to evil and painful speeches that confuse the even the most brain-dead individuals to the most intelligent, you being the first of course. I could disappear like a Ninja or not a Not-Ninja or not like a Not-Ninja or unlike a person that was simply not a Ninja, and then reappear inside of you causing internal trauma to you and instant death, but, you being feeble minded and not a ninja or a Not-Ninja, are left to wonder if I am really a Ninja or not a Not-Ninja or am I only a lunatic Not-Ninja or not a Ninja. I pity you!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Reactions/1272604229296.jpg

[Shin Densetsu]

What if, knowing that, a ninja lies to you by telling you the truth? >.>

Mind-fuck

[TU482]

Are we getting a new Tunnel Rat figure based on Renegades? I searched around for this question in the archives and couldn't find an answer (though I did find an awesome custom by Iron Will).
I was thinking about buying the Walmart ROC 2-pack with Tunnel Rat, but I will wait if I know that they will be coming out with an updated TR. Does anyone have any information?

[MFJayman]

Are we getting a new Tunnel Rat figure based on Renegades? I searched around for this question in the archives and couldn't find an answer (though I did find an awesome custom by Iron Will).
I was thinking about buying the Walmart ROC 2-pack with Tunnel Rat, but I will wait if I know that they will be coming out with an updated TR. Does anyone have any information?



All I've heard is that they plan to release Renegades figures in the POC style by Fall 2011. Haven't heard about individual figures, but I guess we should assume TR will be among them, being a main character in Renegades. I hope he is, since the only TR I have is the original 1987 one stuffed away in a closet on the other side of the continent.

[Shin Densetsu]

Are we getting a new Tunnel Rat figure based on Renegades? I searched around for this question in the archives and couldn't find an answer (though I did find an awesome custom by Iron Will).
I was thinking about buying the Walmart ROC 2-pack with Tunnel Rat, but I will wait if I know that they will be coming out with an updated TR. Does anyone have any information?

Wouldn't be surprised if we got a new Tunnel Rat. The Renegades version, though similar, is significantly different than the classic design. I think it will be in wave 1.

[Dealer Destro]

Ok, after much hating I gave Renegades a watch and I must say I am not feeling Bludd. W- T - H?? For a second I felt like I was watching M.A.S.K. or a Mad Max cartoon....... it just didn't feel like JOE when he was in his car....... Other than that I am diggin the Baroness. If her fig looks even remotely close to her appearance in the cartoon I will be buying her figure. I am going to give it some more time to progress but I was like WTF when I saw Bludd in a Thunder Machine type vehicle. Cool that he lost his eye though.

[Blue Ninja]

Re-watching the episode, some things I noticed:

It seems that the emergency defense mode activated the tracking beacon, which allowed Baroness to lead Bludd to the Joes.

While inconclusive, the style of Bludds rocket pistol seems to match the other rifle he was carrying, but it still looks like he pulled it from a box.

Also, the rocket gun looks like a pretty cool upgrade/design, with ammo tubes making up the stock.

I finally noticed the Lady Jaye theme when she helped them escape SSS mart in the beginning. I don't really find these themes annoying, probably because a rarely notice them.

When Snake goes after Bludd in the SSS Mart, I thought he was wielding poorly drawn sai, but it appears to be either a handful of kunai (throwing knives with the ring on the end)--three in each hand)--or a three-bladed Kunai-like weapon in each hand.

Scarlett has a nice butt. (from the final scene with the naming/recoloring of the Coyote).

[RolandofGilead]

Can't wait to begin discussing Episode 4. I saw the commercial for it last night and it looks really good.

When are we going to see the Joes go up against somebody who isn't a Bio-viper or office security? I want to see Cobra Troopers, Vipers, CGs,... something.

[MFJayman]

Scarlett has a nice butt. (from the final scene with the naming/recoloring of the Coyote).



Alright, time for me to go back and watch this again...

[Blue Ninja]

Can't wait to begin discussing Episode 4. I saw the commercial for it last night and it looks really good.

When are we going to see the Joes go up against somebody who isn't a Bio-viper or office security? I want to see Cobra Troopers, Vipers, CGs,... something.

Perhaps....ninja?

(It is part 1 of the 2-part Arashikage story)