Renegades Premiere Discussion Thread

[dj7000]

Yeah did you see how fast they killed off Cliffjumper in TF:P?.

My problem with the JOE ROC movie, was they just picked the coolest name, or even worse. I can see Marlon Wayons saying, "I dont like the name Alpine. Can I have this one RIPCORD, it just totally screams out for me, Alpine just seems so lame". So it ruins the chance of using the name for a proper use in the already established universe in the sequel. Why couldnt he be Payload? Everyone mistaken him for black. That would have been an awesome name for Wayons.

Tho I would totally approve of ROC II Flint being from England, even tho Im from Wichita Kansas. Because the live action movie series seems to be Action Force rather than GI JOE anyway. Action Force Flint was from Lincoln England. Would be a good counter to create friction for Duke in the next movie.

But yay, all the Joes in Renegades are "made in America".

Well probably needs time to develop. there will be more jOes.

Another issue I'm having with the show is that it doesnt seem there's a clearly defined target audience. I mean i know its for kids but as one tanker eluded to, why the heck is Duke grabbing a cut power line? One thing about ARAH is that it always had some moral premise to it about right and wrong. Not feeling like Reneegades is upholding this as much, which may or may not be intentional.

Moreover just the whole concept of using the wire was poorly executed when, before this Snake eyes showed that the barriers we able to electrecute and fry things. So they cut the wire to zap him then decide to back it into the barrier? just seemed totally out of place and pointless. I mean sure it backed him up like two steps, until Roadblock came in, but again, a pointless segment and not very kid friendly,lol.

Bear in mind, I'm critiquing the show becasue I have nothing else better to do until 530 this friday,lol. ya know what they say about idle minds.

[kennywr22]

Two more days!!! This is crazy. I can't believe how anxious I am for the next episode.lol. anyways, I was watching the hub yesterday and wondering why no commercials for the upcoming episode on Friday? You know the usual "this Friday on gi Joe renegades". It would be helpful to remind kids you know what I mean.

[D00MTR0N]

all i care about is when destro shows up and cc puts on the actual battle helmet

[General Hawk]

Two more days!!! This is crazy. I can't believe how anxious I am for the next episode.lol. anyways, I was watching the hub yesterday and wondering why no commercials for the upcoming episode on Friday? You know the usual "this Friday on gi Joe renegades". It would be helpful to remind kids you know what I mean.

No kidding! I've been DVR'ing the whole action block in the afternoon, hoping to see some sort of promo or commercial, but so far nothing!

I'm hoping maybe during the new episodes of Transformers: Prime. I dunno, though.

I'm stoked to see Bludd.

Justin

[dmizrok]

It also seems like they're saying that the only way to make a character interesting is to make them "not white". Like the the character being white is some sort of a handicap. "Ya know....Lady Jaye would be alot cooler if she just wasn't white." In all it's subtly, it still smells of racism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've NEVER see this in reverse. In much of the remakes, and updates of popular franchises, you never see an established non-white character being changed white in the newer versions or re-imaginings to make the characters relevant or more interesting.

i agree with you, but I HAVE seen the reverse....SPAWN. His best friend, Terry (who went on to marry his wife after he died) was black in the comic....the studios asked McFarlane to change it cause there were too many black people and they didnt want it to be seen as a "black" movie...When Lefield left Image, he took Chapel with him, who was Spawns killer...and happened to also be black...Todd couldnt use him for the movie, so the character was suddenly a WHITE GIRL named Priest,whom he eventually made the "real" killer in the comic....
The 1st change bothered me...the 2nd kinda did too but it was that damned Lefields fault.....lol

[Snake Shadow09]

dec 10 cant come soon enough!

[kennywr22]

The wait is killing you isn't snakeshadow.lol.I'm dying to see some ss action. Should be epic.

[SH0CKWAVE]

waiting for new Renegades episodes sucks!!

:D


after last night's ARAH episode, there was a teaser for the new Renegades. i thought it was very clever and proper for the Hub to promote the new after the old.

i can see Father & Son sitting around the fire, talking Joe.

nice!

[General Hawk]

waiting for new Renegades episodes sucks!!

:D


after last night's ARAH episode, there was a teaser for the new Renegades. i thought it was very clever and proper for the Hub to promote the new after the old.

i can see Father & Son sitting around the fire, talking Joe.

nice!

D'oh! What was in the promo? Spill, man! Hopefully they'll re-air it this afternoon.

Justin

[SH0CKWAVE]

D'oh! What was in the promo? Spill, man! Hopefully they'll re-air it this afternoon.

Justin

in all honesty, it was so fast - literally about 5 seconds long - that nothing was discernible in terms of new content.

voice over said something about "a new generation of GI Joe," or words to that effect.

seemed like more of a show reminder than a new episode teaser.

[General Hawk]

in all honesty, it was so fast - literally about 5 seconds long - that nothing was discernible in terms of new content.

voice over said something about "a new generation of GI Joe," or words to that effect.

seemed like more of a show reminder than a new episode teaser.

Ahh, gotcha. Thanks.

Justin

[Blue Ninja]

It's from the Dark Tower series.

.

Kinda figured, but wasn't sure. I remember reading the first one of the series when it came out, but then it took him a decade to come out with the next ones and I couldn't get back into it.

[MFJayman]

Man, I watched Renegades 3 times, but I've probably spent 3 or 4 times the time it took to do that reading opinions, insights and analysis of the show. Not complaining, but...wow.

[Shin Densetsu]

I foind it hard to believe a family/kids network would allow one of the main characters to die off. but maybe that's the way kids shows are now a days.

Hasbro is not new to this though, they killed this guy (http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/1984-autobots-32/optimus-prime-1/) in 1986.

[MFJayman]

So that wave 3 POC Duke I just bought...is he supposed to be modeled on Renegades Duke, or...seems awfully similar. Is he a harbinger of the look for an actual Renegades line? Hmm.

[MFJayman]

Actually, seeing them side by side, the armor is completely different...but there is armor...

[Shin Densetsu]

So that wave 3 POC Duke I just bought...is he supposed to be modeled on Renegades Duke, or...seems awfully similar. Is he a harbinger of the look for an actual Renegades line? Hmm.

I think the latter.

[MFJayman]

One possible scenario I'd like to see in Renegades, is for the Joes to get picked off one after another (not killed, but captured) until only one is left free. That one then has to recruit some brand new members to go and free the captured originals. One could be held by Cobra, another by the US military, etc...

[Zefram]

i agree with you, but I HAVE seen the reverse....SPAWN. His best friend, Terry (who went on to marry his wife after he died) was black in the comic....the studios asked McFarlane to change it cause there were too many black people and they didnt want it to be seen as a "black" movie...When Lefield left Image, he took Chapel with him, who was Spawns killer...and happened to also be black...Todd couldnt use him for the movie, so the character was suddenly a WHITE GIRL named Priest,whom he eventually made the "real" killer in the comic....
The 1st change bothered me...the 2nd kinda did too but it was that damned Lefields fault.....lol

As annoying as it was at the time, I can understand the studios decision in wanting a token white guy. Diversifying a cast can, in extremely rare cases, go both ways (also, Todd had the rather amusing habit of making every white character either evil or homeless), and in hindsight, that was the least of the movie's problems.

Also, although I don't know all the specific details in Liefeld's case, I don't think it's fair to blame him. Given Todd's rather hypocritical history of crying creator rights and then taking other people's characters as his own (see: Niel Gaimen's lawsuit against Todd for more details) then I wouldn't be surprised if Liefeld was getting screwed on royalties regarding Chapel's contributions to the story.

[luigi]

Hasbro is not new to this though, they killed this guy (http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/1984-autobots-32/optimus-prime-1/) in 1986.

and they were going to kill duke off in gijoe the movie but they chose to have him instead go into a comma
YouTube - GI Joe The Movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eAQNt99Doo)

[Blue Ninja]

I foind it hard to believe a family/kids network would allow one of the main characters to die off. but maybe that's the way kids shows are now a days.

Well, back in the day, when Cobra Commander wasn't allowed to even say "Die" or "Kill" and every pilot escaped with a parachute, Robotech killed off two main characters nearly back to back and had a lot of pilots go down with their jets...as it were.

With today's level of media, where even a somewhat "silly" show such as Batman: Brave and the Bold takes life and death seriously (recently killing one of the regular heroes, Batwanna Beast), it shows a certain growth in the medias respect for what children could handle (and for parents deciding the same).

THe benefit, of course, is the more "mature" watchers (old guys like me or young kids who can handle it) get a better story and don't feel insulted or talked down too (as much).

That of all things drove me crazy as a kid watching the old GI Joe: The stupid little things like shooting a warhead of a missile with another missile (Not to mention that one of your friends is riding that missile at the same time). Then you flip the channel and the SDF's shields have overloaded, killing a major character, nuking a Canadian town and having all sorts of repercussions....Compared to that, Joe made you feel like you were watching Seseme Street.

[Echo7Solo]

in all honesty, it was so fast - literally about 5 seconds long

Thank you for my new sig :D

[Zefram]

Well, back in the day, when Cobra Commander wasn't allowed to even say "Die" or "Kill" and every pilot escaped with a parachute, Robotech killed off two main characters nearly back to back and had a lot of pilots go down with their jets...as it were.

With today's level of media, where even a somewhat "silly" show such as Batman: Brave and the Bold takes life and death seriously (recently killing one of the regular heroes, Batwanna Beast), it shows a certain growth in the medias respect for what children could handle (and for parents deciding the same).

THe benefit, of course, is the more "mature" watchers (old guys like me or young kids who can handle it) get a better story and don't feel insulted or talked down too (as much).

That of all things drove me crazy as a kid watching the old GI Joe: The stupid little things like shooting a warhead of a missile with another missile (Not to mention that one of your friends is riding that missile at the same time). Then you flip the channel and the SDF's shields have overloaded, killing a major character, nuking a Canadian town and having all sorts of repercussions....Compared to that, Joe made you feel like you were watching Seseme Street.

Macross is a strange animal, since not only does it have a comparatively mature storyline, even by anime standards (Hell, even by today's anime standards), but despite being Frankenstein'd together with two other completely unrelated anime, was generally far less edited for content than almost anything else I've seen brought over to TV viewing. If you compare actual dialogue and story points, Macross fared far better than Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon in the 90s, or Rave Master and Initial D in the 00s (and don't even get me started on what 4Kids did to Cardcaptor Sakura).

[Echo7Solo]

Macross is a strange animal, since not only does it have a comparatively mature storyline, even by anime standards (Hell, even by today's anime standards), but despite being Frankenstein'd together with two other completely unrelated anime, was generally far less edited for content than almost anything else I've seen brought over to TV viewing. If you compare actual dialogue and story points, Macross fared far better than Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon in the 90s, or Rave Master and Initial D in the 00s (and don't even get me started on what 4Kids did to Cardcaptor Sakura).

so are you trying to make a list of stuff I never watched? If so your doing a good job.

[RolandofGilead]

Kinda figured, but wasn't sure. I remember reading the first one of the series when it came out, but then it took him a decade to come out with the next ones and I couldn't get back into it.

Try waiting until 2004 for him to finish a story you started reading in 1987! The Dark Tower actually took almost 30 years to complete, but it was one hell of a ride.


On Topic Is the next episodes supposed to introduce Storm Shadow? I wonder how they'll fit the old SE vs SS storylines into this new show? Or will they even bother?

[Zefram]

so are you trying to make a list of stuff I never watched? If so your doing a good job.

I haven't even gotten to "Hard Time on Planet Earth" or "The Screen Savers" yet. ;)

[MFJayman]

Wow, some of you guys have just an incredible level of knowledge about the world of animated programs. Wooossh—right over my head. But its fun reading it. And quite educational! :)

[Steevy Maximus]

or "The Screen Savers" yet. ;)
You make me sad for bringing up Screen Savers, I miss that show (hell I miss ALL of ZD/TechTV, DAMN YOU G4!)

[MFJayman]

I'm really looking forward to seeing Baroness get her classic black outfit in Renegades (assuming she's not already wearing it under that trenchcoat). I hope it has some kind of protective aspect to it, like some sort of slick skin-tight armor MARS Industries has produced, maybe a one-of-a-kind deal that Destro gives to her as a gift.

I can just picture Destro standing there watching her squeeze into the thing, with his arms crossed and a huge grin on his face (behind the mask, of course).

[Zefram]

You make me sad for bringing up Screen Savers, I miss that show (hell I miss ALL of ZD/TechTV, DAMN YOU G4!)

I had a major nerd-crush on Cat Schwartz. >.>

[General Hawk]

Thanks to kenny for alerting me to a promo so I could capture it... a VERY short promo, but a promo:

YouTube - G.I. Joe: Renegades Episode 3 Promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO2BeracPDA)

Most notable is the mystery guy with the glasses and British accent...

http://generalsjoes.com/renegades/wp-content/gallery/renegades-episode-3-promo/00057.jpg

Who dat? Bludd's target? A severely reimagined Bludd himself? Lord I hope not.

Justin

[Trooper13]

Ugh...Friday yet?!?

[MFJayman]

marvelous

[MFJayman]

I'm thinking the Brit is an old colleague of Mindbender. He looks...sciency.

[General Hawk]

I'm thinking the Brit is an old colleague of Mindbender. He looks...sciency.

That's kind of the gist I got, too. Definitely a scientist/professor type of vibe.

Justin

[Adamantite]

Most notable is the mystery guy with the glasses and British accent...

Who dat? Bludd's target? A severely reimagined Bludd himself? Lord I hope not.

Justin


Joes meet Egon Spengler ?

[MFJayman]

I'd guess he's an ex-Cobra scientist with all kinds of insider goodies, or still in Cobra but feeding info to Scarlett...either way, I assume Bludd is being sent to eliminate him. If so, should be a nice example as to the lengths Cobra will go to in dealing with any dissention.

[dj7000]

That's kind of the gist I got, too. Definitely a scientist/professor type of vibe.

Justin

Guess he's gonna help them figure out what's going on in the lab?

[Blue Ninja]

...

There were actually some reasons for the Ripcord name to be attached to Marlon Wayans, and believe it or not, fan input was involved, things just got a little lost in translation.

Justin

Actually, there is a point I hadn't thought of before. What black joe could they have featured in the movie? I would have hated to see Wayans ruin Stalker, he ain't big enough for Roadblock or Heavy Duty. Doc and Stretcher are medics...not very lead role-ish. Same goes with Link Talbot (and was he every really on the Joe team?). Col. Courage...well, that's just a stupid name. Iceberg? Maybe, but I don't think an ice trooper is much of a lead, either (none of the "specialists" are really, ie environment, tech, or whatever). So, just quickly looking, that leaves Bulletproof and Rampage (who was originally white in the first verson, same person as Heavy Duty in another, and finally himself). Personally, I think either of those names would have worked. They are recognizable as Joes, but not really popular enough to upset many with some re-imaging....But, it is all said and done.


I would like to note, that while there are about seven or eight black joes, a handful of Native Americans and Asian Americans, and a dash of other ethnicities on the Joes, there are only 3 non-Whites on the Cobra side. Storm Shadow-Japanese American, Ghost Bear (Eskimo, abet with red hair) and Burn Out (Afro American--who I used as Tyr Anasazi [Gene Rodenberry's Andromeda] in my stories).
Oh, and Night Adder, an ROC edition. That makes 4.
Five if you count IDW's version of Firefly (which I think is cool as hell). No figure of that version, though.
Cobra doesn't seem much into diversification.

[MFJayman]

I've noticed that Duke's armor vest kind of has a Roman centurion style to it. You know, those breastplates they would wear, with the torso muscles shaped into it and all. That's pretty cool. Kinda hints at his "glorious leader" role, I suppose.

[MFJayman]

Cobra doesn't seem much into diversification.



Yeah, kind of like the Empire in Star Wars. No aliens, and half of the men seemed to come from that galaxy's version of the British Isles. I guess the closest they got to ethnic diversity was Darth Vader's voice.

[Blue Ninja]

Well probably needs time to develop. there will be more jOes.

Another issue I'm having with the show is that it doesnt seem there's a clearly defined target audience. I mean i know its for kids but as one tanker eluded to, why the heck is Duke grabbing a cut power line? One thing about ARAH is that it always had some moral premise to it about right and wrong. Not feeling like Reneegades is upholding this as much, which may or may not be intentional.

Moreover just the whole concept of using the wire was poorly executed when, before this Snake eyes showed that the barriers we able to electrecute and fry things. So they cut the wire to zap him then decide to back it into the barrier? just seemed totally out of place and pointless. I mean sure it backed him up like two steps, until Roadblock came in, but again, a pointless segment and not very kid friendly,lol.

Bear in mind, I'm critiquing the show becasue I have nothing else better to do until 530 this friday,lol. ya know what they say about idle minds.

The electrical cable worked in the lab, so they tried it again. Seems the viper knew it, and backed away. Duke tried to pursue, but the cable was caught/couldn't reach around the barn, so he couldn't keep after the bioviper with it.

Yeah, it wasn't a safety lesson for kids, but then I doubt any 10 year old is going to find himself needing to destroy a bio-engineered monster. I also think kids are more with it today, and learn those "Knowing is half the battle" lessons much younger and at school.

Personally, I am putting it down to an homage to those many Sunbow/DiC stupid heroic ideas.

[General Hawk]

Actually, there is a point I hadn't thought of before. What black joe could they have featured in the movie? I would have hated to see Wayans ruin Stalker

There is widespread speculation (and I have heard things that makes me tend to agree with it) that Stalker was the intended character for Wayans to portray.

Unfortunately, here in 2010 (or 2009 when the movie launched) the name "Stalker" has a whole different connotation. Normally I'm very anti-political correctness, but in this case, I can kind of see why they went the way they did and strayed away from that particular code name.

There was fan input, looking for another "niche" character that could be included in the film, more as a nod to the fans than anything else. Someone obscure enough that the general public wouldn't have already identified with them, but someone important enough to the diehards to warrant a place in the film. Ripcord came in high on that list. Of course, the fans who were polled for this information had no idea they were looking for someone for Marlon Wayans to play...

The rest is history.

Justin

[CrimsonGuard101]

http://generalsjoes.com/renegades/wp-content/gallery/renegades-episode-3-promo/00057.jpg



Justin

Yay more freaking r-tards...meh

[Blue Ninja]

Macross is a strange animal, since not only does it have a comparatively mature storyline, even by anime standards (Hell, even by today's anime standards), but despite being Frankenstein'd together with two other completely unrelated anime, was generally far less edited for content than almost anything else I've seen brought over to TV viewing. If you compare actual dialogue and story points, Macross fared far better than Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon in the 90s, or Rave Master and Initial D in the 00s (and don't even get me started on what 4Kids did to Cardcaptor Sakura).

True enough, but as a kid--even an "extra mature" one--you didn't think about that when you were watching the shows. You saw Americans think their children are dumb and can't handle these things, while Japanese respected their children's treating them like adults.

(personally, I think this is one of the reasons why American students ranking continues to dropped, because we "caudal" them so much, protecting them from all that hard math, science and logic/rational thinking.)

[Blue Ninja]

Try waiting until 2004 for him to finish a story you started reading in 1987! The Dark Tower actually took almost 30 years to complete, but it was one hell of a ride.
I believe that is the gap I am talking about. I just couldn't get back into the story after that. I had a girlfriend who tried to encourage me, but it was no good. Just didn't feel it anymore.


On Topic Is the next episodes supposed to introduce Storm Shadow? I wonder how they'll fit the old SE vs SS storylines into this new show? Or will they even bother?

I believe that is episode 4-5. Episode 3 (this Friday) involves Maj. Bludd chasing the Joes.

[MFJayman]

Yay more freaking r-tards...meh

hehe...I love you're posts, even though I myself like Renegades. You definetely have a steady and consistent dislike for it, and I can respect that.

[Blue Ninja]

I'm really looking forward to seeing Baroness get her classic black outfit in Renegades (assuming she's not already wearing it under that trenchcoat).

I was kinda imagining her with nothing but some Victoria Secrets and a Glock in a shoulder holster and knife in her garter....

But seriously, in one scene, it did give me that impression, but I am a dirty old man.

[MFJayman]

I noticed there are about 19,000 members here, and yet only 314 votes on the above poll. I think this has been brought up before, but...what the hell? Remember I'm very new here, so there might be some glaringly obvious reason. I've been known to...miss things...

[CrimsonGuard101]

I noticed there are about 19,000 members here, and yet only 314 votes on the above poll. I think this has been brought up before, but...what the hell? Remember I'm very new here, so there might be some glaringly obvious reason. I've been known to...miss things...

A lot of those are 1-5 posts tops, the rest just do not care enough to post. Some are not willing to do so due to the demonizing flak you get unless you 100% whole heartedly agree uniltaeraly with "wool over your eyes" on everything Habsro throws at you.

[Blue Ninja]

There is widespread speculation (and I have heard things that makes me tend to agree with it) that Stalker was the intended character for Wayans to portray.

Unfortunately, here in 2010 (or 2009 when the movie launched) the name "Stalker" has a whole different connotation. Normally I'm very anti-political correctness, but in this case, I can kind of see why they went the way they did and strayed away from that particular code name.

There was fan input, looking for another "niche" character that could be included in the film, more as a nod to the fans than anything else. Someone obscure enough that the general public wouldn't have already identified with them, but someone important enough to the diehards to warrant a place in the film. Ripcord came in high on that list. Of course, the fans who were polled for this information had no idea they were looking for someone for Marlon Wayans to play...

The rest is history.

Justin

And Knowing is half the battle...Thank you Hawk!

(Although I disagree for the reasoning, I understand the thought process and am thankful they didn't have Stalker hitting on Scarlett and wise-cracking stupid.)

[MFJayman]

I was kinda imagining her with nothing but some Victoria Secrets and a Glock in a shoulder holster and knife in her garter....

But seriously, in one scene, it did give me that impression, but I am a dirty old man.


It would be very nice if she was indeed dressed that way WHILE pulling on that classic outfit of hers. With Destro watching. And me in the corner of the room wide-eyed in a waiter's uniform--because remember, I AM Baroness's Slave (look just above my avatar. Its true).

[Blue Ninja]

I noticed there are about 19,000 members here, and yet only 314 votes on the above poll. I think this has been brought up before, but...what the hell? Remember I'm very new here, so there might be some glaringly obvious reason. I've been known to...miss things...

I think it is the law of any group (particularly on the Internet). You get plenty who join in name, but most don't participate. It's like that most everywhere on the net.

[MFJayman]

I think it is the law of any group (particularly on the Internet). You get plenty who join in name, but most don't participate. It's like that most everywhere on the net.


That sounds like the answer. Wow, I didn't think that through, did I. Well, like I said...glaringly obvious. Anyway, I suppose members may just trickle in whenever they can, and opine. Lest I forget, it has been less than a week since the thing aired!

[Zefram]

There is widespread speculation (and I have heard things that makes me tend to agree with it) that Stalker was the intended character for Wayans to portray.

Unfortunately, here in 2010 (or 2009 when the movie launched) the name "Stalker" has a whole different connotation. Normally I'm very anti-political correctness, but in this case, I can kind of see why they went the way they did and strayed away from that particular code name.

There was fan input, looking for another "niche" character that could be included in the film, more as a nod to the fans than anything else. Someone obscure enough that the general public wouldn't have already identified with them, but someone important enough to the diehards to warrant a place in the film. Ripcord came in high on that list. Of course, the fans who were polled for this information had no idea they were looking for someone for Marlon Wayans to play...

The rest is history.

Justin

I'm going to chalk that up to wishful thinking until I see some corroboration. On the commentary Sommers said it was Rachel Nichols who suggested Wayens.

I don't know where people keep pulling Stalker's name out of their ass, as if every black dude in the world were interchangeable. if Wayens had delivered the same performance for Stalker, it would have likely been even less appropriate. Stalker is every bit as serious as Duke, and they were looking for someone play the comic to Duke's straight-man (or Tatum's wooden attempt at it). Ripcord was a heroic, but far less developed character with a cool name, nothing more. At least the way Wayens portrayed him gave him some personality.

[MFJayman]

It might be obvious, but...I don't get out much on the internet.

[twp1974]

I just watched episodes 1, and 2, at first I was this was unwatchable being im 36 and grew up with the original series and then I thought it's really not half that bad give it some time and it will on me I think. I commend Hasbro going this way with the animation it a little to sticky for me but I love the way they start with the intro to the team. thats all im going to say cant wait to see Destro or Storm Shadow.

[MFJayman]

I just watched episodes 1, and 2, at first I was this was unwatchable being im 36 and grew up with the original series and then I thought it's really not half that bad give it some time and it will on me I think. I commend Hasbro going this way with the animation it a little to sticky for me but I love the way they start with the intro to the team. thats all im going to say cant wait to see Destro or Storm Shadow.


I myself don’t watch many animated shows (except Family Guy sometimes, hehe) so I come into all this without much to compare the animation itself with, except the Sunbow show (which I had my mom tape back in the 80s so I wouldn’t miss anything).
So the animation here could probably be a bunch of bobble heads with tiny bodies running around, and as long as Scarlett had red hair and Duke was blonde, I’d probably be cheering them on.

Now, I EXAGGERATE. But still, for me, I am most interested in where the story goes, and that there is a well thought out story. And that the characters are fleshed out. My imagination can compensate for any perceived lack of animated detail, or whatever. Just so long as it doesn’t lack too too much.

[MFJayman]

I was kinda imagining her with nothing but some Victoria Secrets and a Glock in a shoulder holster and knife in her garter....

But seriously, in one scene, it did give me that impression, but I am a dirty old man.


Are you refering to when that big truck sped by her near the end of episode 2 and her trenchcoat kind of flapped up?

I loved it when they were at that party and Hawk dropped his coffee cup. She bent down and caught it right before it hit the floor. I guess seeing a lady with such quick reflexes really does it for me. I had no idea.

[Zefram]

Are you refering to when that big truck sped by her near the end of episode 2 and her trenchcoat kind of flapped up?

I keep meaning to mention that scene as one of the reasons I continually defend the animation quality of the show. When the truck blows by her take a good look at how her hair and coat blow in the wind.

These guys don't seem to have have the biggest budget to work with, but they know where and when to use it for the best possible effect.

[MFJayman]

I keep meaning to mention that scene as one of the reasons I continually defend the animation quality of the show. When the truck blows by her take a good look at how her hair and coat blow in the wind.

These guys don't seem to have have the biggest budget to work with, but they know where and when to use it for the best possible effect.


It was definitely a memorable little segment. It sort of momentarily disheveled the otherwise perpetually statuesque, buttoned-up and collected Baroness (at least in terms of how she's been presented in these episodes so far). And it seemed rather superfluous. They didn't HAVE to show it, but they did and it was a nice little touch I thought.

[Zablorg]

You know, for all this talk in the promotional material about "a crime they didn't commit", and Duke saying they've been set up, I think it's hilarious that at the end of the day, they commited every crime they've been accused of.

[RenHoek]

You know, for all this talk in the promotional material about "a crime they didn't commit", and Duke saying they've been set up, I think it's hilarious that at the end of the day, they commited every crime they've been accused of.

I think Snake Eyes is the only one who could've purposefully killed anybody in there, and seeing as how he wasn't on the report, I don't see how the rest of the gang is guilty of murder.

[Zablorg]

Rats, I actually forgot about the whole murder thing. I guess mostly because everyone kept accusing them specifically about blowing up the plant rather than murder.

Now I just feel silly.

[Trooper618]

Is it just me or does the front man (the projection) for cobra look a little bit much like a fred series from the marvel run. And as for ripcord i think he will show up later probably a cobra captive.

[MFJayman]

I think Snake Eyes is the only one who could've purposefully killed anybody in there, and seeing as how he wasn't on the report, I don't see how the rest of the gang is guilty of murder.


I suppose they could be linked with the death of Hidalgo, couldn't they? After all, he died while driving them, and then they continued driving the vehicle, avoiding capture.

Or perhaps there were people in the Cobra facility after it blew up who died in the explosion. Did they all get out?

[MFJayman]

Is it just me or does the front man (the projection) for cobra look a little bit much like a fred series from the marvel run. And as for ripcord i think he will show up later probably a cobra captive.



That's been my guess about Ripcord as well. Seems like Cobra could use him as bait perhaps to lure in the other Joes. Also, if they show him in captivity, it could be a good way of showing the viewer some of the inner workings of the secret Cobra HQ.

[Akunin]

I just finished watching the show myself with some family (military) and well, the result wasnt' too good.

Taking notes as the show is being watched.

People viewing:
Marine Corps-
Uncle. Gunny (E-7, and retired drill instructor)
Brother. Sgt (E-5) retired
Cousin. LtCol (O-5) retired
Cousin. LtCol (O-5) active
Air Force-
Uncle. A1C (E-3) retired

Collective wars covered:
WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm to present

Got to love reunions

Taped Gi Joe renegades and they
watched the first episode with me. LOL

Scene with "Duke" fighting over gun with security... omg, you should hear them.

Snake Eyes... um, they are not impressed.

They too were wondering why everyone looks oriental as well...

A bald, one eyed Gen Albernathy? And a cane too? Did someone say forced retirement?
mindbender? looks like he's 21
groans ensue as "Lt O'hara" takes video as giant jello attacks..

biology 101. Uncle points out that a skeleton isn't needed after all? what was god thinking?

To sum it up, they just would like to see less science fiction and bring the "G.I." back to Joe.

My thoughts so far... well. Never liked lasers, bio vipers are just,
ugh pointless. An interesting take on Cobra but like my enlisted family I was hoping
Hasbro would have approached the "terrorist"angle a little more close to reality. Rule the world?
So 80's, what about the one's that just want to watch it burn?
Yeah, I know. Kids show but its just a relaunch of what we have already seen,
only now its the "A-Team" instead of the "joe" team.
I hope the toys are better than the show

btw, 9 year old got bored and left the room during the second episode.

[Zefram]

I just finished watching the show myself with some family (military) and well, the result wasnt' too good.

Taking notes as the show is being watched.

People viewing:
Marine Corps-
Uncle. Gunny (E-7, and retired drill instructor)
Brother. Sgt (E-5) retired
Cousin. LtCol (O-5) retired
Cousin. LtCol (O-5) active
Air Force-
Uncle. A1C (E-3) retired

Collective wars covered:
WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm to present

Got to love reunions

Not exactly the target audience, but HOLY SHIT! That's pretty awesome. The stories that must get passed around the table, and I bet each one starting with, "You think that was bad..." :D

[RenHoek]

I suppose they could be linked with the death of Hidalgo, couldn't they? After all, he died while driving them, and then they continued driving the vehicle, avoiding capture.

Or perhaps there were people in the Cobra facility after it blew up who died in the explosion. Did they all get out?

Yeah, but Duke and the gang got accused before Hildalgo died. I think they're blaming them for Ripcord's death. He wasn't listed as one of the Renegades.

[Akunin]

Not exactly the target audience, but HOLY SHIT! That's pretty awesome. The stories that must get passed around the table, and I bet each one starting with, "You think that was bad..." :D

Yeah, totally not the target audience but I wanted to show them what G.I.Joe meant these days. Needless to say, they didn't care to watch part 2!
That still leaves 3 other uncles that also served but weren't able to come to the reunion. One was a belly gunner in the pacific and my grandpa (RIP) was in WW1. And you aren't joking about the story part either, WOW! The one cousin is in intelligence and most the time all he can say is "don't sell your guns". Pretty reassuring huh?

[Trooper13]

Who asks Marines what they think anyhow? ;)

[Jmacq1]

Is it just me or does the front man (the projection) for cobra look a little bit much like a fred series from the marvel run. And as for ripcord i think he will show up later probably a cobra captive.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the Commander's projection. Before I realized it -was- a projection I actually found myself wondering if it WAS Fred (acting as the "Spokesman").

I would not be surprised if the similarities are intentional.

As for Ripcord, I'll be more convinced of his death if he gets taken off the opening credits. If he does stay dead how can anyone NOT recognize it as blatant fan-service for all the people that were so vehemently opposed to WayansCord (even if he ended up being one of the best characters in the film)?

Not sure about the whole "captive" thing...seems like if they had him they'd have used him as "bait" immediately.

I do see this show as one where some characters could get "killed off for real." I think the creators said something to that effect.

[General Hawk]

I do see this show as one where some characters could get "killed off for real." I think the creators said something to that effect.

Indeed they did. They specifically mentioned at JoeCon last year when talking about the tone of the show that characters who die will stay dead, and they emphasized the statement as if to indicate that yes, characters would die.

Justin

[Sgt. Airborne]

Not sure about the whole "captive" thing...seems like if they had him they'd have used him as "bait" immediately.

I do see this show as one where some characters could get "killed off for real." I think the creators said something to that effect.

Much like Batman Brave & The Bold where (surprisingly) we have seen a number of deaths this year so far.

[Snake Shadow09]

The wait is killing you isn't snakeshadow.lol.I'm dying to see some ss action. Should be epic.

yea bro! i mean we havent even got any promo pics or a teaser of ss. they keep it good under wraps thats for sure!

[kennywr22]

Very true man. Although we may get a peek after Fridays show in a commercial for next weeks show. Ill be watching for it ill tell you that.I love ss new design and can't wait to see it in action.

[Blue Ninja]

Are you refering to when that big truck sped by her near the end of episode 2 and her trenchcoat kind of flapped up?

Yep. That's it.

I loved it when they were at that party and Hawk dropped his coffee cup. She bent down and caught it right before it hit the floor. I guess seeing a lady with such quick reflexes really does it for me. I had no idea.

That was a very sweeeeeeeet...and well played moment. This might be the best imaging of Baroness yet. Not that any of them were bad (Although the RoC comes close; Black leather and twin MP7s do have some saving graces after all).

[Blue Ninja]

I keep meaning to mention that scene as one of the reasons I continually defend the animation quality of the show. When the truck blows by her take a good look at how her hair and coat blow in the wind.

These guys don't seem to have have the biggest budget to work with, but they know where and when to use it for the best possible effect.

Indeed, it was very well done. It kind of reminds me of...back to the 80s and Robotech...There is a scene where Roy Folker gets done giving Rick advice and is alone in a hallway. He runs his fingers through his hair, and I was absolutely stunned by this. I remember rewinding the VCR and watching it several times. That kind of interaction was something you never saw in any other animation of the day. I think my friends thought I flipped out when I was going on about it, but I just thought that little effort was so damn cool.

[Blue Ninja]

I suppose they could be linked with the death of Hidalgo, couldn't they? After all, he died while driving them, and then they continued driving the vehicle, avoiding capture.

Or perhaps there were people in the Cobra facility after it blew up who died in the explosion. Did they all get out?

I got the impression that the one "murder" they were being charged with was Ripcords.

[Blue Ninja]

It was definitely a memorable little segment. It sort of momentarily disheveled the otherwise perpetually statuesque, buttoned-up and collected Baroness (at least in terms of how she's been presented in these episodes so far). And it seemed rather superfluous. They didn't HAVE to show it, but they did and it was a nice little touch I thought.

another nice "Directing" moment is when Snake Eyes first shows up. He takes a guard out and then the cut to a group of guards looking for the threat, then the camera angle pans and you see Snake Eyes standing behind them....Very cool.

[gunslingercbr]

I'm going to chalk that up to wishful thinking until I see some corroboration. On the commentary Sommers said it was Rachel Nichols who suggested Wayens.

I don't know where people keep pulling Stalker's name out of their ass, as if every black dude in the world were interchangeable. if Wayens had delivered the same performance for Stalker, it would have likely been even less appropriate. Stalker is every bit as serious as Duke, and they were looking for someone play the comic to Duke's straight-man (or Tatum's wooden attempt at it). Ripcord was a heroic, but far less developed character with a cool name, nothing more. At least the way Wayens portrayed him gave him some personality.

I agree. not to mention that the script with Rip Cord written in it was circulating far a good period of time before Wayans was even cast, so it is hard to believe they wrote that role specifically for him unless they had planned to cast him while the script was written, which would then lead to how Rachel Nichols could suggest him unless she was cast long before as well.

nothing validates that it was intended to be Stalker and was simply a name change.

[Adamantite]

As for Ripcord, I'll be more convinced of his death if he gets taken off the opening credits. If he does stay dead how can anyone NOT recognize it as blatant fan-service for all the people that were so vehemently opposed to WayansCord (even if he ended up being one of the best characters in the film)?


If Ripcord is really dead I am really curious as to what the implications are for ROC2. If Ripcord is dead I would take that to mean that Hasbro is quite displeased with the character and the implications his appearance had towards the fandom and the appeal of ROC in general. If it was deemed bad enough to have the character killed in Renegades then I don't see them bringing Wayans back for ROC2.

[GeneralEagle]

i thought the Renegades premiere was good.

i didn't mind the art too much except for Duke's face...he looks like an older version of Beavis from Beavis and butt-head.

everyone else was cool. the story was pretty interesting.

also found it a little wierd that Duke outranks Lady Jaye, but salutes her when she comes with the assignment.
because in both the character profile and in the scene of the report after the cobra explosion they say he's a 1st Seargent...
and lady jaye is listed as a Buck seargent so she should have saluted him first. just a little nit-pick.

thought most of the characterizations where good. this show has a lot of potential

[Blue Ninja]

I just finished watching the show myself with some family (military) and well, the result wasnt' too good.

Taking notes as the show is being watched.

People viewing:
Marine Corps-
Uncle. Gunny (E-7, and retired drill instructor)
Brother. Sgt (E-5) retired
Cousin. LtCol (O-5) retired
Cousin. LtCol (O-5) active
Air Force-
Uncle. A1C (E-3) retired

Collective wars covered:
WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm to present

Got to love reunions....


To sum it up, they just would like to see less science fiction and bring the "G.I." back to Joe.
...

First, let me salute your family and thank them for their great service to our country!

Secondly, GI Joe has always been more sci-fi than military. Despite the initial team being very military--cutting edge stuff based on DARPA and other military projects--the stories, even the beginning comics have had a large sci-fi element. However, I agree that a little more realism and less 1960s B-movie science would be nice.

By the way, if they haven't yet, have them check out "The Unit." Four seasons of Spec-Ops coolness. It is out on DVD and syndicated (the best source is Sleuth if you have the channel). Do check it out Riky-Tiky. I think they will appreciate it, even when it does push the limits.

Transmission ends.

[Jmacq1]

If Ripcord is really dead I am really curious as to what the implications are for ROC2. If Ripcord is dead I would take that to mean that Hasbro is quite displeased with the character and the implications his appearance had towards the fandom and the appeal of ROC in general. If it was deemed bad enough to have the character killed in Renegades then I don't see them bringing Wayans back for ROC2.

Hasbro doesn't get to make that call...Paramount does, and chances are Wayans stays, as arguably the most recognizable member of the cast besides Dennis Quaid. As I said, killing him in Renegades (if he's dead) is likely nothing but a little bit of a fanservice olive branch to the RoC haters that might be tuning in. In other words another way of saying "Hey, we're not RoC!"

Plus, two separate continuities. One doesn't necessarily affect the other, as "Prime" (and Animated) and the live-action Transformers movies can show us.

[MFJayman]

I got the impression that the one "murder" they were being charged with was Ripcords.


True, that's probably it. Though the Hidalgo death could probably be added to the charges, as well as any deaths in the explosion. Though I have to say, initially when watching it, I was mainly thinking of the "crime" they committed as destroying the building and all.

[Adamantite]

Hasbro doesn't get to make that call...Paramount does, and chances are Wayans stays, as arguably the most recognizable member of the cast besides Dennis Quaid. As I said, killing him in Renegades (if he's dead) is likely nothing but a little bit of a fanservice olive branch to the RoC haters that might be tuning in. In other words another way of saying "Hey, we're not RoC!"

Plus, two separate continuities. One doesn't necessarily affect the other, as "Prime" (and Animated) and the live-action Transformers movies can show us.


Really? Hasbro has no say as to what Paramount does with their IP? Doesn't sound like a contract I would like to sign...

[MFJayman]

Hey, I read somewhere that Destro is to have a hinged jaw on his mask...so apparently it will have some movement, and that movement will actually make sense. I got the impression that with the original, they designed the toy without totally thinking through, "okay, now HOW in the world are we (or they, the animators) gonna show this dude talking and emoting with a steel mask?"

[RolandofGilead]

True, that's probably it. Though the Hidalgo death could probably be added to the charges, as well as any deaths in the explosion. Though I have to say, initially when watching it, I was mainly thinking of the "crime" they committed as destroying the building and all.

In 2010 a crack commando unit was wanted for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly and went underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the GI Joe Team.

[Zefram]

Really? Hasbro has no say as to what Paramount does with their IP? Doesn't sound like a contract I would like to sign...

They have all the control in the world as to how to cash their big, fat, paychecks, which is what a business cares about. They and Hama backed Sommers on the issue with Snake Eyes' mask, but even that was a goddamn battle even with the director leading the charge.

[haradrel]

In 2010 a crack commando unit was wanted for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly and went underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the GI Joe Team.

Waaaaitaminute, this sounds awfully close to something starting with A, maybe A team of sorts. :p

Anyhoo, seen the first two episodes and I must say I liked it, plenty of references and good writing, interesting enough characters - at least you got a certain feel for the characters!
This could be the start of something very awesome.

[Jmacq1]

Really? Hasbro has no say as to what Paramount does with their IP? Doesn't sound like a contract I would like to sign...

That's the price of licensing your IPs to Hollywood to make a movie. You basically sign an agreement saying, "Make whatever changes and compromises you want to/need to in order to get something up on screen" in exchange for whatever your licensing fee is (and maybe...MAYBE...a percentage of the box office profits).

That isn't to say that Hasbro doesn't have some say and doesn't "consult" on the film, but ultimately it's mostly Paramount's money that's being spent to produce and market the film, so they tend to get the final say in how it's being spent, which includes casting decisions. Particularly since when there's a partnership between a toy company and a movie company to make a movie, you generally leave the movie-making side of the agreement to the company that actually has experience and expertise in making and marketing movies, y'know?

[Python_Puckman]

If Ripcord is really dead I am really curious as to what the implications are for ROC2. If Ripcord is dead I would take that to mean that Hasbro is quite displeased with the character and the implications his appearance had towards the fandom and the appeal of ROC in general. If it was deemed bad enough to have the character killed in Renegades then I don't see them bringing Wayans back for ROC2.

If he is toast, (which I doubt... expecting a soap opera style resurrection) they should have a scene where they bury his ashes next to the grave of Bazooka.

i thought the Renegades premiere was good.

i didn't mind the art too much except for Duke's face...he looks like an older version of Beavis from Beavis and butt-head.

http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv119/jopuckman/Random%20Crap/Untitled-1.gif

[The Commander]

favorite scene so far is when SE gets all ninja on the bio-viper, sheathes his swords then it grows back.

Duke: Its gonna take a lot more than a sword to stop that thing.
*throws SE a gun*

He starts blasting the thing...like the good ol' commando SE I love.

[gunslingercbr]

Really? Hasbro has no say as to what Paramount does with their IP? Doesn't sound like a contract I would like to sign...
are you seriously asserting that if a film studio says they will invest $300 million dollars in what will be nothing more than a giant marketing campaign for your brand which only made $33 million dollars the year before, you wouldn't provide them with the leeway to make the best decision they felt made it worth investing that amount of money into your brand?

that's what you said, but I'm not quite sure you seemed to understood that is what it meant.

[Akunin]

Who asks Marines what they think anyhow? ;)

there was the one Air Force guy... :)

[Adamantite]

are you seriously asserting that if a film studio says they will invest $300 million dollars in what will be nothing more than a giant marketing campaign for your brand which only made $33 million dollars the year before, you wouldn't provide them with the leeway to make the best decision they felt made it worth investing that amount of money into your brand?

that's what you said, but I'm not quite sure you seemed to understood that is what it meant.


I would be very cautious regardless. After they are done with the movie(s) and walk away I'd be the one having to deal with an IP which was not necessarilly taken in the direction I would have wanted it to go.

[robear281]

I give the episode thumbs up, for now anyway!

[Gunzlingr]

As of right now (I have watched part 1), I can say I don't hate it.

The animation actually looks better than I thought it would, but I just can't get past the fact that the Joes look like they should be going to Degrassi Jr. High, or driving around in a psychedelic van with at talking great dane solving mysteries. Couldn't they have made them look like they were at least old enough to vote?

[Gunzlingr]

Hey, I read somewhere that Destro is to have a hinged jaw on his mask...so apparently it will have some movement, and that movement will actually make sense. I got the impression that with the original, they designed the toy without totally thinking through, "okay, now HOW in the world are we (or they, the animators) gonna show this dude talking and emoting with a steel mask?"

Sounds like a dime-store Dr. Doom :D

http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/picture.php?albumid=4&pictureid=8

[Blue Ninja]

They have all the control in the world as to how to cash their big, fat, paychecks, which is what a business cares about. They and Hama backed Sommers on the issue with Snake Eyes' mask, but even that was a goddamn battle even with the director leading the charge.

They argued a lot about SE's costuming.
I still want a Snake Eyes in his work-out hoodie...For that matter, I want that hoodie!

(I tried to find some screen-shots, but no-go. Maybe when I get home I can pull some.)

[Zefram]

They argued a lot about SE's costuming.

Yeah, some random exec at Paramount decided that the movie had too many people with masks, so Snake Eyes had to lose his. That's it, and it took the director, Hasbro, and Larry Hama together to make a case to Paramount to overrule the douche.

And people wonder how poor adaptations can be made, I express greater amazement when genuinely faithful ones are ever made.

[MFJayman]

I'm curious to see just what would motivate C Commander to force Destro to wear a metal mask (which I believe I read about in the Hub's character description for Destro). Seems like something like that would push an already pissed off subordinate right over the edge.

[RolandofGilead]

I'm curious to see just what would motivate C Commander to force Destro to wear a metal mask (which I believe I read about in the Hub's character description for Destro). Seems like something like that would push an already pissed off subordinate right over the edge.

What's with the "forcing" the mask all of a sudden? It didn't play very well in RoC and I don't expect much if they do it again here. Why not just have him wear it as a family tradition like the comics?

[CaptainDad]

I thought it was terrific. Can't wait for more.

[blackrazor1]

As of right now (I have watched part 1), I can say I don't hate it.

The animation actually looks better than I thought it would, but I just can't get past the fact that the Joes look like they should be going to Degrassi Jr. High, or driving around in a psychedelic van with at talking great dane solving mysteries. Couldn't they have made them look like they were at least old enough to vote?
There's a documentary special called HALO: Freefall Warriors. It follows a class through the Military Free Fall course. The graduation ceremony has everyone in PT gear. Surprisingly, most of the guys look like high school basketball players. Plus, PFCs and Corporals are young guys.

[Snake Shadow09]

Very true man. Although we may get a peek after Fridays show in a commercial for next weeks show. Ill be watching for it ill tell you that.I love ss new design and can't wait to see it in action.

bro pm me if this is the case! i need to see some ss action a-sap!

[MFJayman]

For a show like Renegades, would they have already completed the animation for the season, for a few episodes, or what? I'm pretty clueless about the process.

[Zefram]

For a show like Renegades, would they have already completed the animation for the season, for a few episodes, or what? I'm pretty clueless about the process.

The whole season will have already been done and in all likelihood they're already working on pre-production for the second season, although they might be waiting to get feedback before finalizing the scripts.

[MFJayman]

The whole season will have already been done and in all likelihood they're already working on pre-production for the second season, although they might be waiting to get feedback before finalizing the scripts.



Thanks for the info.

That was another thing--I wasn't sure if they planned multiple seasons, or were waiting to see how the first went over...I've read about there being as many as 5 seasons or more planned, or intended, or hoped for...But doesn't seem very concrete.

One season at a time, MFJayman...one at a time...

[Zefram]

Thanks for the info.

That was another thing--I wasn't sure if they planned multiple seasons, or were waiting to see how the first went over...I've read about there being as many as 5 seasons or more planned, or intended, or hoped for...But doesn't seem very concrete.

One season at a time, MFJayman...one at a time...

Oh, I'm sure they have at least that much in the planning stages, but it helps to leave a bit of flexibility to address unforeseen issues. I know when making Avatar: The Last Airbender they had the whole story planned out, but would occasionally toss in little Easter Eggs for fans or deliberately screw with the shippers' heads (which they really loved doing).

[MFJayman]

Oh, I'm sure they have at least that much in the planning stages, but it helps to leave a bit of flexibility to address unforeseen issues. I know when making Avatar: The Last Airbender they had the whole story planned out, but would occasionally toss in little Easter Eggs for fans or deliberately screw with the shippers' heads (which they really loved doing).



It all sounds like a tremendous balancing act, and enormously stressful. I'm a high stress guy, I'd probably stroke out if I had to deal with it all...anyway, thanks again.

[Zefram]

Neilsen's are in guys!

Looks like Renegades and Prime scored with their premiers, and Hub in general showed a big jump in the ratings.

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-renegades-animation-discussion/91723-gi-joe-renegades-transformers-prime-neilsen-ratings.html#post2105908

[MFJayman]

Neilsen's are in guys!

Looks like Renegades and Prime scored with their premiers, and Hub in general showed a big jump in the ratings.

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-renegades-animation-discussion/91723-gi-joe-renegades-transformers-prime-neilsen-ratings.html#post2105908


That's awesome. I was about to hit the hay, glad I stayed up longer to hear that :)

[Trooper13]

there was the one Air Force guy... :)

Hahahha, do they call him "token"? In all seriousness, though. As a veteran myself I can imagine it was a pretty good time watching it all together. My kid just rolls his eyes at me when I catch inconsistencies. :/

[Trooper13]

Hey, I read somewhere that Destro is to have a hinged jaw on his mask...so apparently it will have some movement, and that movement will actually make sense. I got the impression that with the original, they designed the toy without totally thinking through, "okay, now HOW in the world are we (or they, the animators) gonna show this dude talking and emoting with a steel mask?"

Sounds like a dime-store Dr. Doom :D

http://bloggingheads.tv/forum/picture.php?albumid=4&pictureid=8

Hmmmm...Destro, Doom....I've come to the conclusion that Dime-store Destro is a great punk band name.

[General Hawk]

It's Friday! Bring on Bludd!

Just found out I've got a mandatory dinner meeting after work. :(

Major Bludd will be making his YouTube debut a little late tonight, I guess. Still can't wait to watch!

Justin

[Trooper13]

I can't wait for this afternoon!

[dj7000]

im learning to just watch the show without worrying about all the missed details,lol. Its more enjoyable that way.

[kennywr22]

Is it 5:30 yet?

[Trooper13]

Is it 5:30 yet?

I was thinking the same thing.

[kneroh]

I can't wait for all the people who vowed to never watch it again to weigh in on the new episode.

[Trooper13]

I can't wait for all the people who vowed to never watch it again to weigh in on the new episode.

Hahhahahahahha, that's awesome.

[kennywr22]

I gotta say that after watching prime I'm so glad gi joe went traditional animation. I mean prime isn't bad or anything but I so prefer 2d when it comes to the Joe's.

[Trooper13]

I gotta say that after watching prime I'm so glad gi joe went traditional animation. I mean prime isn't bad or anything but I so prefer 2d when it comes to the Joe's.

Yeah, I think Joe is a nice balance between modern stylized animation, and a traditional realistic feel. Prime, while well written IMO, is hard for me to watch. I'm just too old. lol

[Barefoot Jedi]

I gotta say that after watching prime I'm so glad gi joe went traditional animation. I mean prime isn't bad or anything but I so prefer 2d when it comes to the Joe's.

As do I.

I'm helplessly hopelessly stuck in the past as far as preferring old school animation to computer-generated is concerned.

[flash70]

oh yeah I watch this crap just to tell everyone its crap.

I liked this show better when it was Sigma Six...Oh wait that was crapped also and was cancelled.

Going back to watch G.I.*JOE RESOLUTE....the only worthwhile G.I.*JOE animated show next to the original.

[Cobra Terrorist]

I can't wait for all the people who vowed to never watch it again to weigh in on the new episode.

If Crimsonguard101 shows up to say something about how bad ep. 3 was, someone should BLAST him!

[dj7000]

5 hours till show time

[kneroh]

oh yeah I watch this crap just to tell everyone its crap.

I liked this show better when it was Sigma Six...Oh wait that was crapped also and was cancelled.

Going back to watch G.I.*JOE RESOLUTE....the only worthwhile G.I.*JOE animated show next to the original.

To save time you can just type "wah" next time.

[General Hawk]

Trying to think of ways to blow off this work meeting, dammit...

Justin

[kneroh]

Trying to think of ways to blow off this work meeting, dammit...

Justin

Tell them you just got your test results back and you came up positive for Renegades.

[Blue Ninja]

Thanks for the info.

That was another thing--I wasn't sure if they planned multiple seasons, or were waiting to see how the first went over...I've read about there being as many as 5 seasons or more planned, or intended, or hoped for...But doesn't seem very concrete.

One season at a time, MFJayman...one at a time...

It could be worse! It could be like Transformers Prime...5-part mini-series then wait for FEBRURARY! (BTW, What the F is up with those weird baby faces on Optimus and the rest? Wow! their bad!)

Or Young Justice, that doesn't start until Jan.

Waiting a whole week just about drove me crazy! Very few shows have made me that eager for the next episode. Heck, right now the list is down to Burn Notice, True Blood, and to some extent Justified. (Not to mention GI Joe, of course).

[Blue Ninja]

It's Friday! Bring on Bludd!

Just found out I've got a mandatory dinner meeting after work. :(

Major Bludd will be making his YouTube debut a little late tonight, I guess. Still can't wait to watch!

Justin

Heck! I don't get done until 5, and then I got to go shopping for some toys for Saturday's Toys 4 Tots Paintball Shoot Out!
(And if any of you are in the Myrtle Beach, SC, area, you should really come check it out! $20 toy donations gets you gun rental, mask, and air. (Paintballs are like $12 per bag or so)...check out Myrtle Beach Paintball/Airsoft - Adventure Beach Park (http://www.abpaintball.com) for more info.

But then, that's what DVRs are for, eh?

[Reaver Strike]

I just watched the first 10 minutes and I have to say this show sucks. Resolute was good, they should have followed up in that manner. Why do the characters have to be portrayed so young? It's not working for me. I don't care for the artistic styling of the characters either.

[Barefoot Jedi]

To save time you can just type "wah" next time.

YouTube - Mr Miyagi Wah Technique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Clwoyl28sk)

[Snake Shadow09]

any ss action in ep3?

[RolandofGilead]

Can't wait to come home and watch this show tonight.

[flash70]

To save time you can just type "wah" next time.


HHHmmm wah...this show sucks can't be a little follower like the bunch - wah...wah...wah

[MFJayman]

I just watched the first 10 minutes and I have to say this show sucks. Resolute was good, they should have followed up in that manner. Why do the characters have to be portrayed so young? It's not working for me. I don't care for the artistic styling of the characters either.



The reason they are so young...Year 1...character development...

I'm sorry...Trooper13, you wanna handle this one...

[flash70]

wah...

[MFJayman]

By the way Reaver Strike, I don't mean any offense. It's just that alot of people have complained about the characters' youth. I can see how it can be kinda strange at first.

[Trooper13]

The reason they are so young...Year 1...character development...

I'm sorry...Trooper13, you wanna handle this one...

I gave up along time ago, Man.

[kennywr22]

Come on reaver. Resolute was just a slick, more violent, 1 hour ,poor characterization gi Joe. Under the shiny animation it was pretty shallow.I love the characerization in renegades much better already. Give it a chance.

[flash70]

So Ripcord is gonna die soon...to bad the rest of the cast can't just die as well.

[Trooper13]

Come on reaver. Resolute was just a slick, more violent, 1 hour ,poor characterization gi Joe. Under the shiny animation it was pretty shallow.I love the characerization in renegades much better already.

I'm with you, Man. In terms of artistic stroytelling Resolute was garbage.

There was no depth to any of the characters, the dialogue, while not cheesy like Sunbow, or flat out retarded like RoC, was like a poorly written action movie. All the lines fell flat, with the exception of Cobra Commander.

The plot was awful. Cobra Commander is sick of losing. So instead of seeking power to get money, he's seeking money to get power. Really? That's it? So then what happens? Superweapon? Check. Outrageous demands? Check. Total failure? Check. Wow, thanks. I can't stand the SE/SS nonsense, but as much as I hated it in Marvel and RoC, Resolute made it even worse, and I didn't think that was possible.

The episode summaries for Renegades have more plot and character development then Resolute.

[Gyre-Viper]

well i'm excited.

[MFJayman]

You know, Resolute looked great and all, but there just wasn't enough context to what was going on and who was involved to make it more than a brief, climactic homage to G.I. Joe. Obviously it was created for people already well versed in everything G.I. Joe. Hopefully there will be Resolute-type climaxes punctuating the seasons of Renegades. I look forward to seeing how Renegades builds up the story and characters to pull off those climaxes and make them resonate.

[Trooper13]

You know, Resolute looked great and all, but there just wasn't enough context to what was going on and who was involved to make it more than a brief, climactic homage to G.I. Joe. Obviously it was created for people already well versed in everything G.I. Joe. Hopefully there will be Resolute-type climaxes punctuating the seasons of Renegades. I look forward to seeing how Renegades builds up the story and characters to pull off those climaxes and make them resonate.

Exactly, for what it was it was fine. However, to tout it like it was the greatest thing to happen to Joe is nonsense. It was a slick, shallow, "mature" nod to the adult fans to "wrap" things up in a way. If you tried to make a series with that writing it would be awful, and with that animation it would be expensive. Just a polished turd.

[MFJayman]

Another thing that bothered me about Resolute was how Cobra destroyed the ENTIRE city of Moscow--what, 13 million people? Now I know Cobra is murderous and all, but that was downright Hitleresque, or Stalinesque. I've always thought of Cobra as much more interested in controlling and enslaving the population, not massive mass murder.

[Jettfire]

So Ripcord is gonna die soon...to bad the rest of the cast can't just die as well.

Using your v1 Duke, can you please show the courtroom exactly where Renegades touched you?

[Zefram]

Another thing that bothered me about Renegades was how Cobra destroyed the ENTIRE city of Moscow--what, 13 million people? Now I know Cobra is murderous and all, but that was downright Hitleresque, or Stalinesque. I've always thought of Cobra as much more interested in controlling and enslaving the population, not massive mass murder.

Either you got the series confused with Resolute, or episode 3 is a hell of a lot bigger than we thought. O_o

[Zefram]

Using your v1 Duke, can you please show the courtroom exactly where Renegades touched you?

Better yet, use Best of DVD pack Duke. :D

[flash70]

Using your v1 Duke, can you please show the courtroom exactly where Renegades touched you?

LOL...that is priceless...it was...uuummm bye my swivel-arm...and he...he moved up and down.

[Trooper13]

Another thing that bothered me about Renegades was how Cobra destroyed the ENTIRE city of Moscow--what, 13 million people? Now I know Cobra is murderous and all, but that was downright Hitleresque, or Stalinesque. I've always thought of Cobra as much more interested in controlling and enslaving the population, not massive mass murder.

You mean, Resolute? I was cool with him taking out Moscow. If his plan actually had ANY hope of succeeding it would have been a great move. However, it was just another poorly thought out "Big Move" that ended up with the same result. This time he killed people is the only difference. I have no problem with a darker, grittier Joe. I actually love it. However, if you're going to write something for adults. Make it intelligent enough to be enjoyed by adults. It was dark and slick, but still the same stupid assed plots, and antics.

[Blue Ninja]

By the way Reaver Strike, I don't mean any offense. It's just that alot of people have complained about the characters' youth. I can see how it can be kinda strange at first.

They are "young" (20s-ish, I suppose, which is appropriate for a bunch of E-1 to E-5(6?) and young Lts.) to help the "children" identify with the characters.

It could be worse, they could be saddled with a bunch of little kids who get in the way and do all sorts of obnoxious stuff to screw up battle plans. (ie Transformers).

OR worse, the could have made them ROTC or Military School cadets and made them real children. <shuddering at the thought>

[flash70]

Another thing that bothered me about Resolute was how Cobra destroyed the ENTIRE city of Moscow--what, 13 million people? Now I know Cobra is murderous and all, but that was downright Hitleresque, or Stalinesque. I've always thought of Cobra as much more interested in controlling and enslaving the population, not massive mass murder.

That is who Cobra Commander is a vile evil dictator!!!

Evil is just evil and I love it!

Not stupid "anakin skywalker - darth vader" crappy bad guys in the joe verse ever!!!

[Reaver Strike]

I didn't delve into the plot and such with respect to Renegades. I was commenting on the age because I feel they should be a bit older. But I understand the means to show the character development. I noted the styling of the characters in Renegades, in my opinion, as not being as good as Resolute. Granted, there are issue with Resolute. But I was not going that far into analyizing/comparing both shows.

[MFJayman]

RESOLUTE, I meant. I thought I edited that post, damnit! Hmmpf... Definetely meant Resolute. Hey, they both start with R...

[MFJayman]

You mean, Resolute? I was cool with him taking out Moscow. If his plan actually had ANY hope of succeeding it would have been a great move. However, it was just another poorly thought out "Big Move" that ended up with the same result. This time he killed people is the only difference. I have no problem with a darker, grittier Joe. I actually love it. However, if you're going to write something for adults. Make it intelligent enough to be enjoyed by adults. It was dark and slick, but still the same stupid assed plots, and antics.



I agree completely, and I've also always hoped for a grittier aspect as well. But it just seemed so abrupt and over the top, used purely for shock value. The fact it was so obviously for shock just made it unworkable for me.

[Trooper13]

I agree completely, and I've also always hoped for a grittier aspect as well. But it just seemed so abrupt and over the top, used purely for shock value. The fact it was so obviously for shock just made it unworkable for me.

A move like that is a great opener in a bid for power, however just like always, it seemed the rest of his plans weren't all that well thought out. That's always been CC's issue, he's got great ideas, but no real ability to wage a sustainable campaign for world domination.

[MFJayman]

They are "young" (20s-ish, I suppose, which is appropriate for a bunch of E-1 to E-5(6?) and young Lts.) to help the "children" identify with the characters.

It could be worse, they could be saddled with a bunch of little kids who get in the way and do all sorts of obnoxious stuff to screw up battle plans. (ie Transformers).

OR worse, the could have made them ROTC or Military School cadets and made them real children. <shuttering at the thought>



Hey, I saw some character designs somewhere for the Renegades Joes as kids...I guess at some point they'll show a flashback to their childhood?

[CrimsonGuard101]

RESOLUTE, I meant. I thought I edited that post, damnit! Hmmpf... Definetely meant Resolute. Hey, they both start with R...

Then the Renegades CC is not for you. This CC is supposed to be some fantastical maniacal evil satan wannabe with the ideas ot murder and kill everyone on the planet, who clubs seals and discects babies on the internet with people voting on what part should be removed next...or did you miss the adam and eve apple being handed to the kids in the Cobra Infomecrial? hmmm riiiight....

[MFJayman]

A move like that is a great opener in a bid for power, however just like always, it seemed the rest of his plans weren't all that well thought out. That's always been CC's issue, he's got great ideas, but no real ability to wage a sustainable campaign for world domination.



I love Cobra's setup in Renegades, how they are the massive corporation spread out everywhere, with potential power to pull the strings of governments ranging from the US to third world countries. I imagine there are Cobra-affiliated Congressmen and members of Parliaments, Cobra-affiliated generals in various militaries. It seems to make it more possible for Cobra to have the actual power and resources of a nation, without actually having any fixed geographical territory that could simply be taken out by a coalition of world nations.

[Trooper13]

I love Cobra's setup in Renegades, how they are the massive corporation spread out everywhere, with potential power to pull the strings of governments ranging from the US to third world countries. I imagine there are Cobra-affiliated Congressmen and members of Parliaments, Cobra-affiliated generals in various militaries. It seems to make it more possible for Cobra to have the actual power and resources of a nation, without actually having any fixed geographical territory that could simply be taken out by a coalition of world nations.

Yeah, the Cobra Industries front is sweet, and honestly one of the things that gives me alot of hope for this series. It's a very relevant take on Joe.

[kennywr22]

I to think the cobra industeries idea is absolutely perfect. Very realistic idea for an evil group to hide and grow power...just another hour and a half till bludd.

[Blue Ninja]

Using your v1 Duke, can you please show the courtroom exactly where Renegades touched you?

<snicker>

[Lion]

It kinda bugged me....caught the first couple today....
my fav part was the cobra over the top commercial, especially stealing the classic tag line. (Thought that was brilliant)
Snake Eyes showing up out of nowhere, bugged....
I actually like mindbender for some reason, but Dont like the whole bioviper thing....
I'll give it a few more episodes...gonna go watch episdode 4 of TF:Prime for the 4th time :)

[Blue Ninja]

Hey, I saw some character designs somewhere for the Renegades Joes as kids...I guess at some point they'll show a flashback to their childhood?

ACHH! Run away! Run Away!

[MFJayman]

The thing is, as an adult, I looked back to the Sunbow incarnation of Joe and thought, "You know, if pretty much everyone knows that Cobra is this terrible terrorist organization, why doesn't the world mobilize a coalition and go drop a few MOABs on Cobra Island? Or any of their other bases? Having big fixed bases might have worked in the early 80s, right, but now? I wonder how Cobra bases or HQ will be portrayed in Renegades. Seems today the best base is one that is mobile, can be easily moved before being bunker-busted.

Of course, as a kid, I didn't give a damn about any of that. Cobra Island was dark, creepy and cool, and their bases always looked awesome, inside and out.

[MFJayman]

And speaking of Joes as kids...didn't they have a Sunbow episode when a few of them somehow got turned back into kids and were running around on some mission? Like L Jaye, Flint and some others? I remember them getting caught in some kind of steam room or something, and Lady Jaye having no pants on when she became an adult again.

Good times, good times...

[Barefoot Jedi]

The thing is, as an adult, I looked back to the Sunbow incarnation of Joe and thought, "You know, if pretty much everyone knows that Cobra is this terrible terrorist organization, why doesn't the world mobilize a coalition and go drop a few MOABs on Cobra Island? Or any of their other bases? Having big fixed bases might have worked in the early 80s, right, but now? I wonder how Cobra bases or HQ will be portrayed in Renegades. Seems today the best base is one that is mobile, can be easily moved before being bunker-busted.

Of course, as a kid, I didn't give a damn about any of that. Cobra Island was dark, creepy and cool, and their bases always looked awesome, inside and out.

Well, in Marvel there was COBRA Island and COBRA had manipulated the UN, if I remember correctly, into acknowledging it as a sovereign nation which protected it under international law.

Marvel's COBRA Commander says it best in that issue: "What a great system! If you have enough money, and can hire the best lawyers, you can do anything you want!"

[dj7000]

locked and loaded for discussion. Discussion here or will there be a new thread?

[MFJayman]

Well, in Marvel there was COBRA Island and COBRA had manipulated the UN, if I remember correctly, into acknowledging it as a sovereign nation which protected it under international law.

Marvel's COBRA Commander says it best in that issue: "What a great system! If you have enough money, and can hire the best lawyers, you can do anything you want!"



Yeah, you know, when I was typing that previous post I kinda thought, "I bet the comics actually somehow resolved this problem or dilemma". Everything I know about the comics is pretty much second hand. There is a closet full of boxes of comics I collected as a kid and teen, but somehow I never got around to the G.I.Joe comics. Odd, considering I was so into the toys and the cartoon.

[MFJayman]

The past catalogue of Joe comics just seems so vaste to me that the prospect of reading through them all is a bit daunting (plus the prospect of aquiring them, or access to the material).

[dj7000]

well. rips off the intro. Anyone else think the animation in some sopts looks better?

[Cobra Terrorist]

Did the intro have a narrator in the first two episodes??

[kennywr22]

New intro is sweet.

[Zefram]

I hate the opening narration. Okay, we get it, you were inspired by The A-Team. There comes a point where clever homages turn into pretentious shit.

[Zefram]

Don't you just love those bombs with the conveniently beeping lights?

[dj7000]

not liking bludds haircut

[Zefram]

Oh God... Bludd looks like a berk.

And an emo berk at that.

[Flashbang]

I really like how they redesigned Alvin Kibbey.

[kennywr22]

Yes...love bludd.

[Zefram]

Okay, loving Bludd's ride!

[RolandofGilead]

I'm thinkin' I shouldn't read this thread until after I go home and watch the new Joe.

[dj7000]

nitrous love it

[Sho Nuff]

Lovin Bludd

"and this is why they call it a pig sticker."

[RolandofGilead]

No sign of the Bio Viper/Gelatin Monster in this episode?

http://s3.vpimg.net/vodpod.com.videos.thumbnail/4320551.medium160.jpg?1

[dj7000]

great episode so far

[Zefram]

No sign of the Bio Viper/Gelatin Monster in this episode?

http://s3.vpimg.net/vodpod.com.videos.thumbnail/4320551.medium160.jpg?1

You complainin'? I don't want the bio-vipers or Mindbender to be overused. They're doin' it right mixing it up.

Also, is it me or does Bludd seem very Dreadnockish? Road Warrior at the very least.

[Zefram]

Aww fuck.

Edit: At least they're different.

[Sho Nuff]

Aww fuck.

Hahaha

[Zefram]

Scanner bought it!

Edit: Haha! I called it!

[dj7000]

And breaker is born!

[Sho Nuff]

So are Bio-Vipers the new B.A.T.S?

Ohhhh..... One eye. ;)

[dj7000]

loved the new bio vipers and how bludd lost his eye! Great episode

[Zefram]

Ohhhh..... One eye. ;)

I should have taken bets that would happen.

[kneroh]

Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!

[kennywr22]

Holy shit. Eye loss and breaker! ! Love this friggin show!

[kennywr22]

I want a bludd figure with that vehicle... straight out of mad Max.

[kennywr22]

Damn. Thank you Hasbro!!!!!

[Sho Nuff]

Hope they offer a Bludd with and without the eye.

[kneroh]

Hope they offer a Bludd with and without the eye.

Head swaps old chum!

[RolandofGilead]

I'm sitting here at work and you guys are killing me. I need to leave this thread.







But it's just so tempting.

[Echo7Solo]

Bludd kicked ass. Hell he held his own with the almighty Snake Eyes! I think what I'm liking the most about this show is seeing him get smacked around a bit by somebody other than Storm Shadow.

[Sho Nuff]

Kinda getting a jerk vibe from Snake Eyes. ;)

[kneroh]

I'll wait for Crimsonguard101's take before I decide whether or not I liked the episode.

[MeLikeJinx]

Just watched ep 3.... and this is definitely a kid's show. However...
I LOVE RENEGADES!!! LOL.

Holy shit. Eye loss and breaker! ! Love this friggin show!
Don't forget battle-damage SE. LOL I agree... all the links to ARAH Joe... however slight, make me smile.

[kennywr22]

I noticed a baldness from se head. Looks like could be disfigured ..yes.lol.

[Zefram]

Oh snap! Anybody else watching Transformers see next week's Renegades preview?

[dj7000]

really liking how the Joes are coming together

[dj7000]

Oh snap! Anybody else watching Transformers see next week's Renegades preview?

cant get into prime. care to share?

[Barefoot Jedi]

I enjoyed that immensely!

It feels good to be excited about a GIJOE series again!

Major Bludd was a glorious interpretation of the character. I like how they prettied him up...and the eye thing. I also liked him holding his own and even outdoing Snake Eyes at times. Loved the fight on top of the pre-Coyote. I like the notion that Snake Eyes is not invincible in every situation.

I'll have to get used to Breaker. I didn't hate the re-imagining, it just wasn't my favorite component. For instance, I (obviously) adore Mindbender's reboot. Breaker...I'm OK with. Same with the Bio-Vipers.

What was that accent? I'm not good with accents. Australian? New Zealand? Something European?

There's nothing about the series so far I dislike and a great deal I fucking love. There are elements I'm neutral toward, also.

Ripcord being dead is magnificence! How can anyone say the creators of the show don't care about the fans!? Come on!!! While I confess I still wonder if he might return, his absence from the opening credits pleased me greatly! I also thought they used the character very well in the first episode for what he accomplished.

I'll probably refer to Wal-Mart as SSS-Mart forever now.

I love the dynamic between Flint, Lady J and Scarlett's team and how the Baroness is portrayed in the series.

I'm genuinely extremely happy with Renegades thus far.

[kneroh]

And judging by the Coyote's tricks it looks like Cobra has the tech to make one sweet ass Zartan!

[Zefram]

And judging by the Coyote's tricks it looks like Cobra has the tech to make one sweet ass Zartan!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Reactions/arte.jpg

[kennywr22]

Please share zefram....did they show ss??

[Barefoot Jedi]

Please share zefram....did they show ss??

I saw part of the commercial. There was SE in a trenchcoat but if they showed Storm Shadow I didn't see it. I ran into the other room when I heard it on.

[dustycarlisle]

Im not sure I like Breaker....but I will give it a chance....Loved the episode though.

[Zefram]

Please share zefram....did they show ss??

Nope. No Jinx either. They're keeping a tight lid on the new characters.

EDIT: Scratch that!

[Zefram]

They just showed a glimpse of young Jinx, SS, and I belive Hard Master.

[dj7000]

makes sense since this is the Ashakege episode. really liked how they picked up with the pursuit and not a totally new plot. Anyone else noticed the animation was much better looking?

[kennywr22]

Just saw it too. Jinx ftw ...oh and ss too.lol.

[kennywr22]

By the way, transformers seems pretty lame. Why must there be kids doing everything...please.

[RenHoek]

All they have to do to Bludd now is have a second explosion blow his arm off!

[Echo7Solo]

back to the premiere, am I the only one who was bothered by Snake Eyes turning the gun to the side to shoot it?

[speedocub]

makes sense since this is the Ashakege episode. really liked how they picked up with the pursuit and not a totally new plot. Anyone else noticed the animation was much better looking?


Actually the opening scene where the X2 was avoiding the helicopter was quite bad. TF Prime's animation is atrocious though. If you watch Prime before Renegades it's a big improvement!

[Trooper13]

This show is EXACTLY what Joe needs. My eight year old dug the first two eps, but he went NUTS for Major Bludd in this episode. I think he found his favorite character. Atleast until SS, or Destro show up. lol

Man, I'm so impressed that they've got a great kids show that I can actually enjoy watching.

[speedocub]

Mjr Bludd is a work in progress. At first I thought they would stick with that Gary Oldman look but then the ending was a positive nod that they intend to enhance his look. And he didn't die...I had flashbacks of Resolute in there for a minute.

[Steel Brigade]

Another solid Joe episode. This is going to be a fun ride! Breaker & Bludd both had good characterization. And that Snake Eyes Commercial was HAWT!!

[RolandofGilead]

The fact that characters CAN die is actually very liberating for the story. If something were to happen to Breaker, then they'd get Dial Tone. Road Block dies and we get Rock N Roll, or Heavy Duty. It's much better than when Larry Hama had to put the original Joes on desk duty to make way for the new.

[Zefram]

back to the premiere, am I the only one who was bothered by Snake Eyes turning the gun to the side to shoot it?

I'd say "bothered" was too strong, especially in regards to a character that deflects lasers with katana. Rule of Cool seems to be in effect whenever SE is on screen.

[Blue Ninja]

The past catalogue of Joe comics just seems so vaste to me that the prospect of reading through them all is a bit daunting (plus the prospect of aquiring them, or access to the material).

The trade paperbacks are a good way to get caught up from the beginning.

Amazon.com: G.I. Joe Trade Paperbacks (Collected Comics) I (http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Trade-Paperbacks-Collected-Comics/lm/3PSC2VC76VEY0)

[MeLikeJinx]

The fact that characters CAN die is actually very liberating for the story. If something were to happen to Breaker, then they'd get Dial Tone. Road Block dies and we get Rock N Roll, or Heavy Duty.
Whose the other Joe Halo Jumper beside Ripcord again? Maybe he's coming next.

[Zefram]

The fact that characters CAN die is actually very liberating for the story. If something were to happen to Breaker, then they'd get Dial Tone. Road Block dies and we get Rock N Roll, or Heavy Duty. It's much better than when Larry Hama had to put the original Joes on desk duty to make way for the new.

Pfft! Don't get your hopes up. The "sacrificial lamb" in the first episode is almost cliche at this point. I'll be very surprised if we get another death this season period, much less from a main character.

[MeLikeJinx]

Pfft! Don't get your hopes up. The "sacrificial lamb" in the first episode is almost cliche at this point. I'll be very surprised if we get another death this season period, much less from a main character.
Probably right, but Cobra seems so powerful in this particular Joe-verse... they have like unlimited... everything. LOL. And Cobra always has the advantage over the small bunch of Joes in almost every situation. I say we get one more death before the season is done.

[galactron22]

I gotta say, I don't love it, but I don't hate it, and I guess I could watch it. The story line is good but Ripcord dies too quickly at lest they could have given him a couple of episodes and, I'm not crazy about the character design, especially Dr. Mind bender, he looks like a reject of Fast and the Furious, and he's not doing that much mind bending, keeping with the COBRA theme they could have called him Dr. Venom or something like that, overall I give it a B-.

[flash70]

wah...wah...dull and boring...you can get more action watching ninja scroll in five minutes than watching this tool of a cartoon.

Snake-eyes fighting lasers with his sword is just stupid and a cop-out!!!

I mean Joe is not Star Wars please don't make it that.

[Zefram]

I just hope every episode doesn't follow the theme of, "Hey! We found what we need to clear our names!" End of episode, "Damn! It got broke/lost/destroyed!!!"

Also, Cobra might need to think of something a little more subtle to deal with conspiracy nuts than mailing them explosive devices.

[MeLikeJinx]

wah...wah...dull and boring...you can get more action watching ninja scroll in five minutes than watching this tool of a cartoon.
True... but then it's Ninja Scroll. LOL.

[gunslingercbr]

Tell them you just got your test results back and you came up positive for Renegades.

brilliant!

[Zefram]

wah...wah...dull and boring...you can get more action watching ninja scroll in five minutes than watching this tool of a cartoon.

Nothing like comparing a hard-R rated theatrical anime to a TV series. I'd also like to see Ninja Scroll on a TV budget. Oh... wait... THEY DID THAT! For 13 episodes and it sucked a big fat sack of dicks. Argument invalid. :D

Snake-eyes fighting lasers with his sword is just stupid and a cop-out!!!

As opposed to anything anybody did in Ninja Scroll? :)

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[Zefram]

Hee! :D

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Shortpacked! - Hubworld, starring Justin “Kredible” Willman (http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/comic/book-12/05-neww-2010-comics/hubworld/)

[Gatchaman]

I just hope every episode doesn't follow the theme of, "Hey! We found what we need to clear our names!" End of episode, "Damn! It got broke/lost/destroyed!!!"[/I].

Agreed.

[sharky]

Just finished watching everything up to the most recent episode. I think it's got potential. Overall I liked it. I'm not digging the gun designs. The laser thing doesn't bother me, it's the non-round barrels.

All I was thinking when I was watching it was that this is way better than the corny GI Joe from the 80s. I think it's the right kind of program the kids could get into. My expectation is that I'm not going to like some things because I'm an adult and not a kid.

For some reason I don't seem to have hub in HD. Kind of sucks.

[Gatchaman]

Just finished watching everything up to the most recent episode. I think it's got potential. Overall I liked it. I'm not digging the gun designs. The laser thing doesn't bother me, it's the non-round barrels.


I just hope we get normal guns with the toys. And if they do include the cartoon guns its only one and then a couple of normal guns with it. I think Hasbro knows us Joe fans are going to come with pitchforks and torches if they just have the cartoon guns.

[Zefram]

I just hope we get normal guns with the toys. And if they do include the cartoon guns its only one and then a couple of normal guns with it. I think Hasbro knows us Joe fans are going to come with pitchforks and torches if they just have the cartoon guns.

We can get normal guns from Marauder John though, I'd rather have them come with the cartoon guns for some variety.

[Snake Shadow09]

did ss appear at all in ep3?

[Trooper13]

Also, Cobra might need to think of something a little more subtle to deal with conspiracy nuts than mailing them explosive devices.

Well, I'm sure they could find more subtle ways, but they're nowhere near as much fun.