Renegades Premiere Discussion Thread

[Zefram]

Whoah! 1000 post thread and counting!!!

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[kneroh]

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I want my Renegades version.

[minitrue]

Thanks for the insight, Clem!

[Barefoot Jedi]

I'd love to speculate on toys but it seems too early for that.

The two I'd want the most so far are probably long shots for first waves: Dr. Mindbender and the Baroness in her coat.

[kneroh]

I'd love to speculate on toys but it seems too early for that.

The two I'd want the most so far are probably long shots for first waves: Dr. Mindbender and the Baroness in her coat.

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[CVdelgado]

It is a great start to the series. However i feel like the writers may close themsleves in with this approach. Hopefully not!

season 1 can solve this little renegade problem and "out" cobra. then gi joe forms in season 2 under hawk and all hell breaks loose, again.

[Mazinger]

Will this be eventually be available online?

I don't have cable/satellite.

[CVdelgado]

The whole slicing thing slowing him down would have made more sense if SE didn't POSE every time he sliced him. In fact, if it was just to slow him down, why not keep slicing and dicing and not sheath the swords each time as if it to say, "That will do it." Let's be honest: the cartoonists did it to make SE look cool.

yeah. more slicing, less posing.

[CVdelgado]

Will this be eventually be available online?

I don't have cable/satellite.

its on you tube bro.

search for...

G.I. Joe: Renegades Episode 1 (Part 1 of 2)

[MeLikeJinx]

Edit: I hate ninja SE, too. However, that deal was sealed along time ago. I just accept it as part of the character now when dealing with media.
Plus... Ninja-ness is the easiest way to explain SE's badass-ness. LOL. It would be cool for like just one mission... SE change into his Commando/goggle outfit though. Or maybe a flashback sequence before he became Ninja in the Renegades universe.

[midgettem1]

I just don't understand why he can't get the shit kicked out of him all the time like he did in the early comics… actually- before he became super ninja.

I mean that's the point of his code-name- he always gets the worst life has to offer.

[CVdelgado]

um i think he should slice everything apart without much of a problem until storm shadow shows up. then he will have a much harder time.

it was weird watching him fight a viper in IDW to a stand still. that makes cobra a lot more intimidating i guess.

[Shin Densetsu]

hey roadblock is still alive. and they have tunnel rat for the annoying sidekick role, scarlett for the bitch role, duke for the "leader" and snake eyes for the badass role. I think weems was tossed in so people who wanted to see him die in roc could finally get their wish. i know it put a big ol' smile on my face.

Yeah that shit was pretty funny, especially because it happened so quick. Though I suspect Ripoff will be back, characters in cartoons usually come back from vague explosions somehow. I don't find Tunnel Rat annoying though. He comes off as a guy who can get shit done but finds superficial socialization to be annoying.

[Zefram]

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[CVdelgado]

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great stuff.

[CVdelgado]

tunnel rat is great. again.

[takedown]

For what it's worth, he looks to young to even be an E-5. I'd put him at about 20, but maybe that's just me.

Yeah, the fastest 'rank climber' i've seen on entertainment is on the A-Team series. According to the series information provided in the show. It had a chicago native, 18 year old enter the Army. (1968/69), A Mr. Bosco Albert Barracus to be a driver and by the time he was out of boot camp, he went to be a Green Beret part of an Operational Detachment-Alpha (A-Team). About two to four years later (1971/72), when he was imprisoned, he was Specialist 6 or Sergeant First Class (depending on if you believe the funeral in the first season or the courtmartial hearing in season 5). Funny thing about that, he could not advance in rank while in prison or in the LA underground. So how did he get to an SP6 or E-7 so quickly while in Vietnam in Green Berets OD-A Teams, not regular army units and back in the Vietnam era you had to be a Sergeant to even qualify to be a Green Beret.

Yeah, I couldnt be a kid enjoying a show. My dad had me knowing military courtesy while watching GI JOE and the A-Team in 83... So I think about these things while watching entertainment. My dad would see GI JOE on and ask. What's a Chief Petty Officer wearing a dixie cup for?!? Why is he a Joe, Joes are military. He's not military he just said, 'pay my fee'. He should be Cobra, Cobra is made up of mercanaries.

Oh well, thanks for playing. GO JOE.

[Zefram]

Why is he a Joe, Joes are military. He's not military he just said, 'pay my fee'. He should be Cobra, Cobra is made up of mercanaries.

That might actually have been brilliant foreshadowing on their part, considering how many soldiers go on to become "independent contractors" nowadays. >.>

[midgettem1]

That might actually have been brilliant foreshadowing on their part, considering how many soldiers go on to become "independent contractors" nowadays. >.>

It's a lot less than you would think. It doesn't pay as well as most think- PMCs from the States have to pay ridiculous taxes, and often have to pay for room and board while overseas. Plus getting medical insurance is damn near impossible. On paper they might be getting upwards of 80k for a deployment… but after all that, it doesn't leave much left.

[Shortfuse]

While it's true that we make an effort of making the cast of the show as diverse as possible, very often we'll make someone a different ethnicity simply for storytelling purposes, just so you can easily tell everybody apart even when wearing clothes that aren't their usual outfit. On more cartoony shows like the Simpson and Family guy you can easily tell everybody apart because of their radically different silhouettes, but on more realistic shows, especially one where 75% of the characters are wearing military style outfits, you have to use every trick in the book including skin tone, hair color, and accents to make everybody instantly recognizable, especially the main cast.

They made it work very well in the 80's cartoon without changing ethnicity. I understand this was harder with the original greenshirt characters like Grunt, Zap, and Shortfuse but from 1984 on, the characters individual looks were nothing but diverse as were the characters ethnicities. I had no problem distinguishing between Lady Jaye and Scarlett in the 80's series, not only on looks but on personality and voice. Jaye had that slight rasp in her voice.

No disrespect but changing a character like Lady Jaye's ethnicity just feels more like quota filling to me.

[nowlight]

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Just watched episode 1 and 2. I do not think that Ripcord is dead, the reason is we never see the events after the cobera med lab. In episode 2 its shown the boy in the bio viper, I think that Ripcord was in the bio viper that escaped the lab.

He is still in the opening title profile in episode 2, also I really can not see Hasbro kill off a main character after what happened in the 86 movie.

Spoiler

[Mazinger]

its on you tube bro.

search for...

G.I. Joe: Renegades Episode 1 (Part 1 of 2)

Thanks.

When I checked earlier, it wasn't available. Youtube yanked it due to copywrite stuff.

[Adamantite]

It's working for me.


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[CVdelgado]

No disrespect but changing a character like Lady Jaye's ethnicity just feels more like quota filling to me.

i seriously dont get why people are so up tight about this stuff. what difference does it make? changing scarlet into a latina woulda been weird cuz shes scarlet. lady jaye, if they hadnt gone into her backstory in arah could have been a latina by looking at her and listening to her. not all latinas need an accent.

im not trying to take this thread in another direction, that question was rhetorical...

[CVdelgado]

My dad would see GI JOE on and ask. What's a Chief Petty Officer wearing a dixie cup for?!? Why is he a Joe, Joes are military. He's not military he just said, 'pay my fee'. He should be Cobra, Cobra is made up of mercanaries.

c'mon we all know shippy was just a good guy at heart, he could never work for cobra. he was the archetype han solo rogue who turned in his scoundrel past after seeing the light.

cant wait for him to show up in renegades season 2.

ooh, and the ladies love "dixie cups."

[Zefram]

i seriously dont get why people are so up tight about this stuff. what difference does it make?

im not trying to take this thread in another direction, that question was rhetorical...

At the risk of playing Devil's Advocate...

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Whatever the reason, it usually comes across as hamhandedly anvilicious and reeking of excess Political Correctness. The general impression left by this practice is that what the characters are is noticeably more important than what they do. On the other hand, some people's kneejerk reactions to seeing too much 'mixing' in media has its own set of Unfortunate Implications.

[CVdelgado]

hamhandedly anvilicious

im sorry, whut?

[CVdelgado]

i look at it this way, i wouldnt have even brought it up because its not important, sooo... yeah.

[Zefram]

im sorry, whut?

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[CVdelgado]

much worse than changing a characters ethnic background i say is perpetuating existing powerful stereotypes in characters, especially in shows targeting children.

for example, i dont care that ripcord was black in ROC, but the fact that he had to play the wise cracking, woman oogling black guy stereotype should be seen as the problem. i thought marlan wayans played the role great by the way.

i saw little einsteins advertise their show and EVEN they had the black kid be a wise cracking musician. i was like wow.

[CVdelgado]

i am so tired of the term "political correctness." no doubt this term was coined by a d-bag.

[CVdelgado]

thanks for the anvilicious link. makes perfect sense now. lol.

[CVdelgado]

changing scarlet into a latina woulda been weird cuz shes scarlet. lady jaye, if they hadnt gone into her backstory in arah could have been a latina by looking at her and listening to her. not all latinas need an accent.

[Zefram]

much worse than changing a characters ethnic background i say is perpetuating existing powerful stereotypes in characters, especially in shows targeting children.

for example, i dont care that ripcord was black in ROC, but the fact that he had to play the wise cracking, woman oogling black guy stereotype should be seen as the problem. i thought marlan wayans played the role great by the way.

i saw little einsteins advertise their show and EVEN they had the black kid be a wise cracking musician. i was like wow.

No argument here. At least Marlon in that was a step-up from Dungeons and Dragons (even if how much is debatable).

Tunnel Rat is actually a really good example of playing against stereotype though, much to the character's benefit. Asian appearance, Brooklyn accent, and an outdoors survivalist. At that point I wouldn't be surprised if you told me he liked reggae.

[Gyre-Viper]

If you haven't looked at the poll lately... you should.
I think it's actually quite interesting how the poll results
are scaling. even if you take into account people who are being less than genuine or people who might have changed their minds since voting initially, we'd still probably be left with polling results very similar to what's up there now. it's literally a smooth stepping pattern. i don't think the Hub could get such a polling pattern if it was open to the entire public. it would be all over the place. even ROC would probably look more like the letter 'E'
in a polling pattern than an almost seamless staircase. even Resolute. I mean look at it... it's so gradual with no gaps.
I don't think I've ever seen a poll on this site like it.

[Zefram]

If you haven't looked at the poll lately... you should.
I think it's actually quite interesting how the poll results
are scaling. even if you take into account people who are being less than genuine or people who might have changed their minds since voting initially, we'd still probably be left with polling results very similar to what's up there now. it's literally a smooth stepping pattern. i don't think the Hub could get such a polling pattern if it was open to the entire public. it would be all over the place. even ROC would probably look more like the letter 'E'
in a polling pattern than an almost seamless staircase. even Resolute. I mean look at it... it's so gradual with no gaps.
I don't think I've ever seen a poll on this site like it.

RoC, as much as I try to defend it for not actually being the cinematic equivalent of the Antichrist, was something of a (fan)base-breaker. People were either , "Hey, this isn't bad", "meh", or "WFTiSTHIF AAASRSGGHHJ!!!!111!!!1!" with very little in-between.

Basically, if you can get a result like the poll at the top of this page on a site for the hardcore fanboys like us who mostly grew up on the original, it's a pretty good sign you're not failing. Hopefully they keep it up. I'd like to see an episode-by-episode reaction.

[Gyre-Viper]

RoC, as much as I try to defend it for not actually being the cinematic equivalent of the Antichrist, was something of a (fan)base-breaker. People were either , "Hey, this isn't bad", "meh", or "WFTiSTHIF AAASRSGGHHJ!!!!111!!!1!" with very little in-between.

Basically, if you can get a result like the poll at the top of this page on a site for the hardcore fanboys like us who mostly grew up on the original, it's a pretty good sign you're not failing. Hopefully they keep it up. I'd like to see an episode-by-episode reaction.



I'm sure episode by episode the discussion will get more and more interesting.

[CVdelgado]

No argument here. At least Marlon in that was a step-up from Dungeons and Dragons (even if how much is debatable).

Tunnel Rat is actually a really good example of playing against stereotype though, much to the character's benefit. Asian appearance, Brooklyn accent, and an outdoors survivalist. At that point I wouldn't be surprised if you told me he liked reggae.

f*ck yeah tunnel rat likes reggae, only roots though, none of that commercial sh*t.

[CVdelgado]

it is a beautiful poll. i bet if anyone who works on this show saw it theyd be happy.

this has to be the hardest crowd to please, well except for me...

my 3 year old son loved it, but i think he loved transformers prime even more.

[Zefram]

it is a beautiful poll. i bet if anyone who works on this show saw it theyd be happy.

It reminds me of those, "how many bars do you have?" cell-phone commercials. I guess the statement, "Renegades gets good reception here", holds true. :)

[takedown]

Im hoping saturday to catch the noon to 3pm (Central time) marathon: renegades episode 3 and the 5 parter TF:Prime.
Just depends if my friend has to work that day or not.

(non-hub subscriber)
Get CW to support Cobra airWaves.

[blackrazor1]

I did think it was very cool that Lady Jaye was an officer, since everyone was saluting her and calling her ma'am. (Execpt Duke, who saluted and then called her by a nickname, which I thought was very unmilitary for someone who just gave him orders.) then flint refers to her a a sgt. (I suppose she was a higher ranking sgt. than Duke--I don't recall)
No, they didn't pay much attention to military realism.

When did anyone say Lady Jaye was an officer? She was giving the team their "orders" (as in, next assignment), not ordering them around. The other guys saluted her; because, she's a higher rank. They knocked Ripcord down to PFC. It would appear that she and Duke are the same rank or he outranks her.

[midgettem1]

The other guys saluted her; because, she's a higher rank.

It doesn't really matter if she outranks all of them if she's a Sgt. Enlisted don't salute other enlisted. Only officers rate salutes.

But again, the writers just probably got it wrong. Or misinterpreted. Either way, it bugs me, as I' sure it bugs others. I just keep having to remind myself that the show is for kids. :)

[blackrazor1]

They made it work very well in the 80's cartoon without changing ethnicity. I understand this was harder with the original greenshirt characters like Grunt, Zap, and Shortfuse but from 1984 on, the characters individual looks were nothing but diverse as were the characters ethnicities. I had no problem distinguishing between Lady Jaye and Scarlett in the 80's series, not only on looks but on personality and voice. Jaye had that slight rasp in her voice.

No disrespect but changing a character like Lady Jaye's ethnicity just feels more like quota filling to me.


The difference in the 80's was that the costumes were more unique for each character. Most of the O13 get costume redesigns or they get omitted. There's a reason they focused on Scarlet, Snakes-Eyes and Stalker. The were the figures with the unique headsculpts. Even Scarlet had the long hair added, when the character originally had short hair. You get blonde Steeler and Covergirl. Breaker starts wearing purple/gray uniform. Grunt, Grand Slam and Hawk are nowhere to be seen. Short-fuze get a different color helmet so he doesn't blend in with the greenshirts. I don't remember seeing Zap either.

They did change ethnicities. The Baroness wasn't supposed to have the eastern European accent according to Larry Hama. Destro didn't sound Scottish and the Twins didn't sound like they were from Corsica.

[CrimsonGuard101]

When did anyone say Lady Jaye was an officer? She was giving the team their "orders" (as in, next assignment), not ordering them around. The other guys saluted her; because, she's a higher rank. They knocked Ripcord down to PFC. It would appear that she and Duke are the same rank or he outranks her.

Negative ghost rider, in the amry a Lt is higher rank then a sergeant/sgt. major. He will salute her or he will have bad day...they called her Lt. Scarlett at one point if I recall...and Sgt. Duke...

[takedown]

When did anyone say Lady Jaye was an officer? She was giving the team their "orders" (as in, next assignment), not ordering them around. The other guys saluted her; because, she's a higher rank. They knocked Ripcord down to PFC. It would appear that she and Duke are the same rank or he outranks her.

I thought Lady Jaye might be an officer.
Until Flint said Sergeant.

Duke snapped to attention first and salutes. So I think Lady Jaye officially outranks him by maybe a paygrade or two. Even tho protocol, doesnt require him to.

Here's the orbats so far of Renengades. If you can call it that.

Gen Abernathy, Commander
LT Faireborn, Army Intel
SSG/SFC Burnett, Squad Leader or Platoon Sergeant

LT O'Hara, Army Intel STATUS:AWOL
Sgt Hauser, Fire Team Leader STATUS:AWOL
Cpl Hinton, Heavy weapons, driver, mechanic, cook STATUS:AWOL
PFC Weems, Rifleman STATUS:AWOL/MIA/KIA "UNKNOWN"
PFC Lee, Rifleman and Medic STATUS:AWOL
Snake Eyes, possible civilian contact of Lt O'Hara

IMHO Abernathy gave a Platoon of troops to Flint. Flint is Platoon Leader and Lady Jaye is Platoon Sergeant going after the Renegades.

GO JOE!

[Weezus]

i really liked renegades.

they totally ripped off my entire thesis on gi joe, but thats cool. it turned out well.

[Kujo]

I hope Ripcord stays missing. In fact, I hope Marlon Wayans stays missing as well.

[Snake Shadow09]

That's the rumor, as far as I know. There's a two part double episode story that revolves around the ninja element of the show. Episodes 4 and 5.

i sure hope so.

[Immortal_Joker]

I thought Lady Jaye might be an officer.
Until Flint said Sergeant.

Duke snapped to attention first and salutes. So I think Lady Jaye officially outranks him by maybe a paygrade or two. Even tho protocol, doesnt require him to.

Here's the orbats so far of Renengades. If you can call it that.

Gen Abernathy, Commander
LT Faireborn, Army Intel
SSG/SFC Burnett, Squad Leader or Platoon Sergeant

LT O'Hara, Army Intel STATUS:AWOL
Sgt Hauser, Fire Team Leader STATUS:AWOL
Cpl Hinton, Heavy weapons, driver, mechanic, cook STATUS:AWOL
PFC Weems, Rifleman STATUS:AWOL/MIA/KIA "UNKNOWN"
PFC Lee, Rifleman and Medic STATUS:AWOL
Snake Eyes, possible civilian contact of Lt O'Hara

IMHO Abernathy gave a Platoon of troops to Flint. Flint is Platoon Leader and Lady Jaye is Platoon Sergeant going after the Renegades.

GO JOE!

Ripcord MIA huh? I sense that he will make his return sooner than later.

[Trooper13]

i sure hope so.

Kenny would know better then me. He's been following this pretty closely.

[kennywr22]

Hey snakeshadow if you are wondering when ss will first appear its pretty much a forgone conclusion its episode 4 since episodes 5 description talks about the Joe's regrouping after ss attacks and them planning a rescue of the kidnapped jinx. Should be awesome stuff.

[Trooper13]

Hey snakeshadow if you are wondering when ss will first appear its pretty much a forgone conclusion its episode 4 since episodes 5 description talks about the Joe's regrouping after ss attacks and them planning a rescue of the kidnapped jinx. Should be awesome stuff.

See? Kenny's like magic. lol

[General Hawk]

You know, the first two episodes have really grown on me even more. I mean, I liked them, but I've watched them both about 3 times now, and I like them, not just for what they are, but for the potential.

I mean, think about it. We haven't even SEEN Destro, Storm Shadow, Zartan, or Bludd yet. We've barely seen Cobra Commander. Hell, the character breakdowns even mentioned Tomax and Xamot!

Will we see the Crimson Guard at some point?

So much potential coolness still to come.

Could we even see the fall of MARS and absorbtion by Cobra first hand? Would certainly seem so. Totally awesome.

Can't wait to see this new Joe universe fully explored.

Justin

[Graz73]

I am amazed to see all of the negative comments here!

I thought that Renegades was GREAT! Best thing to come along in the world of Joes since the Larry Hama sun!

Sure, its a reboot and everyone can gripe about that, but it is so much better than Sigma 6!!

[Gyre-Viper]

I am amazed to see all of the negative comments here!

I thought that Renegades was GREAT! Best thing to come along in the world of Joes since the Larry Hama sun!

Sure, its a reboot and everyone can gripe about that, but it is so much better than Sigma 6!!


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[Snake Shadow09]

Hey snakeshadow if you are wondering when ss will first appear its pretty much a forgone conclusion its episode 4 since episodes 5 description talks about the Joe's regrouping after ss attacks and them planning a rescue of the kidnapped jinx. Should be awesome stuff.

thanks buddy. i wonder how ss will first appear?

[MunkyX]

Of all the new cartoons starting as of the holiday weekend... my likes in acsending order...

3 - Transformers: Prime - kind of a let down. A big 'Meh' overall.
2 - GI:Joe Renegades - Good... kind of a slow start... waiting for more.
1 - Young Justice - Both story and animation blew Prime and Renegades out of the water. So sad that I have to wait until January to see more.

[Griff]

yeah. more slicing, less posing.

so snake eyes is the other half of right said fred in disguise? ha ha!

[Freedom]

First off, after "Rise of Cobra" anything put out for G.I.Joe will be all the better. I had feared "Renegades" would have "Sigma 6" writing. For what "Renegades" is set up to be, it came accross really well and has a lot of potential. There were really no groaner moments for me except Ripcord naming the other Joes. There seems to be some relatively mature writing despite the Jell-O Viper and laser guns.

I actually liked Tunnel Rat and Ripcord's banter back and forth, and hope Ripcord comes back. I really will give the writers and Hasbro props if he DOESN'T come back considering most of us think he will.

The only things I really don't care for are Roadblock's mutton chops. Maybe he will shave them before a figure is made. And I don't care for the Jell-O Viper. I really think a super BAT would have worked just as well and kept it from being too sci-fi. (Yes. I know BATS are sci-fi, but not as much as a blue blob of snot.) Hopefully the Jell-O Viper is just a plot point for the first story arc and will disappear in the background and be forgotten.

[Griff]

i seriously dont get why people are so up tight about this stuff. what difference does it make? changing scarlet into a latina woulda been weird cuz shes scarlet. lady jaye, if they hadnt gone into her backstory in arah could have been a latina by looking at her and listening to her. not all latinas need an accent.

im not trying to take this thread in another direction, that question was rhetorical...

it bugs cause why do they heve to change a pre-established character whent hey could just make a new one or use someone that already that particular race/gender. to many...like myself...it just seems like a lazy and quicker way to make a character and feels like no effort went into making the character and it was done simply for pc reasons.

[blackrazor1]

Negative ghost rider, in the amry a Lt is higher rank then a sergeant/sgt. major. He will salute her or he will have bad day...they called her Lt. Scarlett at one point if I recall...and Sgt. Duke...



You're in the DANGERZONE! Reread what you quoted and think about your response.

[kneroh]

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one

Do you think they are using the saluting of Sgts to show the kids who out ranks who and give some context to why a particular character can hand out orders despite the fact you would not salute a Sgt?

[The UK GIJoe]

I watched the episodes on youtube & I must say I enjoyed the story so far.The only negative thing for me is that GIJoe to me is an elite group (not just a handfull) of men & women with those specialist qualities fight against terrorism everwhere & not just Cobra.

[Freedom]

The only negative thing for me is that GIJoe to me is an elite group (not just a handfull) of men & women with those specialist qualities fight against terrorism everwhere & not just Cobra.
I see your point. In the ARAH continuity G.I.Joe was a special forces unit created to fight terrorism in general. Cobra just happened to emerge as the dominate threat.

Unfortunately, it seems as though Hasbro has labled the modern era of Joe as "G.I.Joe vs. Cobra." Like in the new Joe 'verse there's no other threat besides Cobra and the Joe team was specifically created to fight Cobra.

It also seems like the "Renegades" Joes are a ragtag bunch of misfits rather than an eleite fighting force. Granted, I assume that may be part of the point and the show will show them growing and becoming more skilled.

[Blue Ninja]

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I want my Renegades version.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I was talking about the fall 2011 release. They need some kind of promo/preview pack...even if it was just a single figure or maybe a 2-pack...anything to bridge the gap between Renegades and the Toys on the shelf.

In fact, I think a lot of kids are going to be confuses when they look at the toys on the shelf and try to compare that to what they see on TV.
Duke, Snake-Eyes and Storm Shadow might get by (maybe RoC Baronesses and Destros). Maybe if they reissued the MARS troops as Cobra Security....I don't know...Rebrand the Resolute pack?

Now I am just brainstorming...maybe a little hope that Hasbro might overhear....Of course, I don't know how long it would take to rebrand and ship stuff, even if it comes a month or so after Christmas, that is still 4-8 weeks of episodes building demand.

[Zefram]

I see your point. In the ARAH continuity G.I.Joe was a special forces unit created to fight terrorism in general. Cobra just happened to emerge as the dominate threat.

Unfortunately, it seems as though Hasbro has labled the modern era of Joe as "G.I.Joe vs. Cobra." Like in the new Joe 'verse there's no other threat besides Cobra and the Joe team was specifically created to fight Cobra.

It also seems like the "Renegades" Joes are a ragtag bunch of misfits rather than an eleite fighting force. Granted, I assume that may be part of the point and the show will show them growing and becoming more skilled.

I doubt Cobra and Flint will be the only threats the Joes face while on the run. One of the things I liked about Avatar: The Last Airbender is how many friends and enemies the gaang made on both sides of the war.

[CVdelgado]

it bugs cause why do they heve to change a pre-established character whent hey could just make a new one or use someone that already that particular race/gender. to many...like myself...it just seems like a lazy and quicker way to make a character and feels like no effort went into making the character and it was done simply for pc reasons.

they changed all kinds of stuff and all kinds of stuff will be changed. it is changed to be relevant, fresh... whatever.

some things are kept the same, others change.

playing the PC! PC! PC! card every time a characters ethnicity is changed has gotten old to me.

[CVdelgado]

I see your point. In the ARAH continuity G.I.Joe was a special forces unit created to fight terrorism in general. Cobra just happened to emerge as the dominate threat.

Unfortunately, it seems as though Hasbro has labled the modern era of Joe as "G.I.Joe vs. Cobra." Like in the new Joe 'verse there's no other threat besides Cobra and the Joe team was specifically created to fight Cobra.

It also seems like the "Renegades" Joes are a ragtag bunch of misfits rather than an eleite fighting force. Granted, I assume that may be part of the point and the show will show them growing and becoming more skilled.

i hope this is their chance to shine. later more highly skilled characters will be added to the crew.

[blackrazor1]

I see your point. In the ARAH continuity G.I.Joe was a special forces unit created to fight terrorism in general. Cobra just happened to emerge as the dominate threat.

Unfortunately, it seems as though Hasbro has labled the modern era of Joe as "G.I.Joe vs. Cobra." Like in the new Joe 'verse there's no other threat besides Cobra and the Joe team was specifically created to fight Cobra.

It also seems like the "Renegades" Joes are a ragtag bunch of misfits rather than an eleite fighting force. Granted, I assume that may be part of the point and the show will show them growing and becoming more skilled.


The ARAH era was Joe vs Cobra too. That's how it the line started. A lot of the other than the Oktober Guard( not terrorists) most of the enemies the Joes faced were Cobra affiliates or supplied by MARS. The Special Missions books let them work out the box, but that was 50 issues into the Marvel run.

[Blue Ninja]

f*ck yeah tunnel rat likes reggae, only roots though, none of that commercial sh*t.

There's commercial Reggae? No Way! Next thing you'll be telling me is that Pro athletes do it for the money and not the love of the game.

(IDK, sounded funny when I typed it.)

[CVdelgado]

There's commercial Reggae? No Way! Next thing you'll be telling me is that Pro athletes do it for the money and not the love of the game.

(IDK, sounded funny when I typed it.)

Groundation is a great example of Roots Reggae still alive today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPBmCoOJxjM

of course they make money from tours and albums etc. just in case you were going to, dont bring that garbage.

Most Roots Reggae was recorded long ago in Jamaica. Subject matter is also a concern when identifying Roots.

[Freedom]

The ARAH era was Joe vs Cobra too. That's how it the line started. A lot of the other than the Oktober Guard( not terrorists) most of the enemies the Joes faced were Cobra affiliates or supplied by MARS. The Special Missions books let them work out the box, but that was 50 issues into the Marvel run.
I actually meant in the latest continuities of G.I.Joe, i.e. JvC, ST, VvV, S6, and Roc, Cobra seems to be the only bad guy in that 'verse, and G.I.Joe was created to fight them, and Hasbro calls it "G.I.Joe vs. Cobra." In the ARAH continuity, Marvel at least, the team was formed to fight terrorism, and Cobra emerged as the main threat.
I doubt Cobra and Flint will be the only threats the Joes face while on the run. One of the things I liked about Avatar: The Last Airbender is how many friends and enemies the gaang made on both sides of the war.
If the writers of "Renegades" REALLY wanted to throw a curveball at us, they could make a character that has always been portrayed as a Joe, a Cobra, or vice versa. In this 'verse Cobra makes medicine and apple pies. Who wouldn't want to work for that company?

[Blue Ninja]

When did anyone say Lady Jaye was an officer? She was giving the team their "orders" (as in, next assignment), not ordering them around. The other guys saluted her; because, she's a higher rank. They knocked Ripcord down to PFC. It would appear that she and Duke are the same rank or he outranks her.

You don't salute NCOs. They work for a living. Don't call them sir/ma'am, either. (Army-wise, anyway. I know it's a little different in the other services).

So, if they all came to attention (or tried to) and saluted Lady Jaye when she addressed them, that would indicate that she was an commissioned officer (I thought maybe Company Commander or assistant). If she was a NCO, they would have came to Parade Rest...assuming the show followed military protocols.

Also, typing this made me thing that they intended the troops to be Operators/Spec. Ops. Because, they didn't wear rank and obviously had relaxed dress/grooming codes. That would kinda make sense for pulling some random "joes" to pull security on a intel/escort mission of questionable legitimacy.

[Blue Ninja]

...Even Scarlet had the long hair added...

I think that was a production weakness of the time (They couldn't do long hair economically?) and not the intent of the designers.

If you look at the card art...http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/82card/scarlett.jpg


You can see that her hair does go down beyond her collar. Also, In the comic, she was always shown with long hair.

[Blue Ninja]

I thought Lady Jaye might be an officer.
Until Flint said Sergeant.

Duke snapped to attention first and salutes. So I think Lady Jaye officially outranks him by maybe a paygrade or two. Even tho protocol, doesnt require him to.

Here's the orbats so far of Renengades. If you can call it that.

Gen Abernathy, Commander
LT Faireborn, Army Intel
SSG/SFC Burnett, Squad Leader or Platoon Sergeant

LT O'Hara, Army Intel STATUS:AWOL
Sgt Hauser, Fire Team Leader STATUS:AWOL
Cpl Hinton, Heavy weapons, driver, mechanic, cook STATUS:AWOL
PFC Weems, Rifleman STATUS:AWOL/MIA/KIA "UNKNOWN"
PFC Lee, Rifleman and Medic STATUS:AWOL
Snake Eyes, possible civilian contact of Lt O'Hara

IMHO Abernathy gave a Platoon of troops to Flint. Flint is Platoon Leader and Lady Jaye is Platoon Sergeant going after the Renegades.

GO JOE!

Good Breakdown.
The only addition I might add is that Snake-Eyes would be an "agent" of Scarletts. In spy talk, and Agent is an asset aquired outside the agency, whether that is a guy you are blackmailing in the Russian embassy or a merc you are using to do a B&E. Those assest coming from inside are officers or operators (although operators is usually used for shooters, particularly Spec. Ops).

This does not refer to the Federal "agent" and "special agent" rank system. And yes, it does make calling her "Agent Scarlett" wrong.

Of course, this is perhaps a bit outdated. "Contractor" is becoming a popular, partricularly for mercs.

And it is kind of an "industry" slang, so I don't think there are any hard rules about who is called an agent.

[Blue Ninja]

... The Special Missions books let them work out the box, but that was 50 issues into the Marvel run.

And despite the original premise, Cobra was involved more often than not. That always disappointed me about the SM series.

[Blue Ninja]

Groundation is a great example of Roots Reggae still alive today.

YouTube - Groundation-Mandela (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPBmCoOJxjM)

of course they make money from tours and albums etc. just in case you were going to, dont bring that garbage.

Most Roots Reggae was recorded long ago in Jamaica. Subject matter is also a concern when identifying Roots.

Please forgive me and don't think I was mocking "real" reggae.
The idea of commercial Reggae just sounded crazy to me. Kind of like referring to rap as rhythm and blues (or any relation to the blues for that matter IMO) or pop music as rock n roll. It just ain't real. And for the record, I am a fan of old school gangster rap, but it has little to do with the Blues, or even R&B in my book.

The idea of "Coommercial Reggae" just seemed wrong to me.

[MFJayman]

Okay, my 2 cents:

The Sunbow original: Loved it as a kid, and don’t dislike it now, but wasn’t it really just an elaborate commercial for the toys? Remember Airtight, the yellow-clad toxic chemical or toxic gas or toxic something specialist? What the hell was his deal? And all the other weapons/environment specialists they were always featuring to the exclusion of Duke and Scarlett and even Snake Eyes? Do you really need Bazooka around to shoot the bazookas, or can Duke or Roadblock handle that duty just fine?

Dr. Mindbender—who designed the original Sunbow version and what was he smoking at the time? And no, a pot high wouldn’t be enough to produce such work.
The Renegades version of Mindbender is a scrawny smartass 21st century digital boy douche bag, just the sort of person that would design Bio-Vipers in a corporate basement. I thought his character worked quite well.

Ripcord—I DOUBT he is dead. I mean, c’mon. How about this for a future episode: Saving Private Ripcord. Yeah, and before he’s saved, he’ll get a nice tour of Cobra Commander’s secret lair while strapped to a hand truck. No? Wanna bet?

Resolute—loved the look of it, but that’s about it. Seemed a bit stale to me. Humorless. Remember Shipwreck in Sunbow? He was kind of a funny dude. And I’m not just talking about his uniform. Ripcord and T Rat in Renegades—kind of funny dudes. A little levity makes the heavy stuff heavier, the light makes the dark darker.

So far, I like Renegades. The animation style works well enough IMO. The prospect of a small team of main characters is appealing to me, since it allows for deeper and more engaging character development, the most important aspect for any story. Oh yeah, and it seems there is indeed a story here. Not a random string of missions, not a funky military costume parade, not a succession of firefights with men in blue spandex and blueberry helmets who ultimately get taken out by a flurry of karate kicks and punches. We may, just may, have a comprehensible, well thought out story on our hands.

[MFJayman]

Sorry for my previous long winded post.

Anyway, the first two Renegades episodes have really got me looking forward to two things: the future episodes (of what I hope to be many many seasons) and the toy line. I hadn't bought a G.I. Joe, or any other toy for that matter, since probably the early 90s, then I started buying a few from the latest lines about a year ago. Got most of POC (minus the vehicles), and now to hear that a Renegades line is planned, which will use the realistic style of POC, has got me very excited.

Its great to see so many of those characters that I knew and loved as a kid getting revamped and fleshed out a little more. I myself have drawn so many variations of each one over the years that I'm pretty open to new looks and styles for them. At this point, the portrayal of their personalities and how they relate to one another is more important than Duke being shown with a cleft in his chin or a khaki shirt, or Scarlett wearing a grey leotard and carrying a crossbow. In fact, Thank God for the changes to Scarlett!

[Zefram]

Good Breakdown.
The only addition I might add is that Snake-Eyes would be an "agent" of Scarletts. In spy talk, and Agent is an asset aquired outside the agency, whether that is a guy you are blackmailing in the Russian embassy or a merc you are using to do a B&E. Those assest coming from inside are officers or operators (although operators is usually used for shooters, particularly Spec. Ops).

This does not refer to the Federal "agent" and "special agent" rank system. And yes, it does make calling her "Agent Scarlett" wrong.

Of course, this is perhaps a bit outdated. "Contractor" is becoming a popular, partricularly for mercs.

And it is kind of an "industry" slang, so I don't think there are any hard rules about who is called an agent.

This is another major improvement to the story imho. It explains why Snake Eyes is able to work with the team despite an injury that for all intents and purposes should have earned him an automatic medical discharge (we already saw what almost happened in the first ep because he couldn't shout a warning). I don't know what protocol is for assets or "contractors", but if his origin in relation to Scarlet is the same it would make a lot more sense that Scarlet could keep him on off the books, as much for his skills as mutual loyalty.

[Trooper13]

Good Breakdown.
The only addition I might add is that Snake-Eyes would be an "agent" of Scarletts. In spy talk, and Agent is an asset aquired outside the agency, whether that is a guy you are blackmailing in the Russian embassy or a merc you are using to do a B&E. Those assest coming from inside are officers or operators (although operators is usually used for shooters, particularly Spec. Ops).

This does not refer to the Federal "agent" and "special agent" rank system. And yes, it does make calling her "Agent Scarlett" wrong.

Of course, this is perhaps a bit outdated. "Contractor" is becoming a popular, partricularly for mercs.

And it is kind of an "industry" slang, so I don't think there are any hard rules about who is called an agent.

Exactly. Scarlet would no longer be "Agent Scarlet". She is now, Lt. Scarlet, wether she stays in the Army now, is up in the air. Should she leave and work for an agency like the DoD, DIA, CIA, or NSA, then calling her Agent Scarlet would make sense. Snake Eyes would definitely be considered an asset, though I'm not sure we're seeing the dynamic of that relationship fully. Likely, Snake Eyes isn't "contained" the way you would normally attempt to with someone you would consider an asset. I don't think Scarlet keeps tabs on SE, it's more like the other way around. I think he likely comes and goes as he pleases. Something most intel agencies wouldn't be comfortable doing with an asset in the traditional sense.

[D00MTR0N]

bring on destro \m/

[Trooper13]

bring on destro \m/

I know. I can't wait. Bludd, Destro, Zartan. So much goodness we haven't even seen yet. I hope this show gets as huge as it deserves. While I love the IDW books, and enjoyed Resolute for what it was, it's great to finally see quality, kid-friendly Joe media out there. My mind is racing with all the potential this series has.

Is it Friday, yet?

[blackrazor1]

I think that was a production weakness of the time (They couldn't do long hair economically?) and not the intent of the designers.

If you look at the card art...http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/82card/scarlett.jpg


You can see that her hair does go down beyond her collar. Also, In the comic, she was always shown with long hair.


The point was that the figures came first. If the designers wanted long hair, they could have given her an up hairstyle. Not that hair length is crucial to a character's identity. I think the original card art was a more appropriate military hairstyle, but the ponytail is more versatile animated.

[Zefram]

The point was that the figures came first. If the designers wanted long hair, they could have given her an up hairstyle. Not that hair length is crucial to a character's identity. I think the original card art was a more appropriate military hairstyle, but the ponytail is more versatile animated.

Actually, they might have wanted to give her long hair all along. It was the limitations in toy technology that dictated the figure. The animated 80s commercials for the toy comic feature her with long hair and no ponytail strangely enough.

The ponytail in the comics, and later the cartoon, might have been a compromise so she at least looks like the figure from the front.

[dj7000]

the more im watching it, the more im diggin it. Nice to have aweekly joe toon to look forward to again

[MeLikeJinx]

Nice to have aweekly joe toon to look forward to again
Damn straight. LOL.

[Zefram]

Nice to have aweekly joe toon to look forward to again

Agreed.

[blackrazor1]

Actually, they might have wanted to give her long hair all along. It was the limitations in toy technology that dictated the figure. The animated 80s commercials for the toy comic feature her with long hair and no ponytail strangely enough.

The ponytail in the comics, and later the cartoon, might have been a compromise so she at least looks like the figure from the front.


The only one problem with the technology theory. When Spirit and the Baroness were made, they basically used the same technology as Fisher-Price Little People. That line was at least 6-7 years old at the time, probably much older.

I think it's interesting that except for Baroness and comic pack Covergirl, they don't use that hair technique for female figures until the 25th/ME stuff comes along.

[MFJayman]

My opinion regarding female hair styles: I think they should have the characters in the show alternate between having their hair tied up and having it down (in the cases of Scarlett and Baroness, specifically). Depending on the circumstances.

Regarding Baroness, she could have her hair pulled or tied up when she's in the corporate executive role, or even in more of a combat mode, but when she's gettin down with Destro--well then, let it down, girl!

But if and when they make toys for these figures, they ought to err away from the long-haired head molds, IMO. Not being able to turn the heads (even if the figure spends most of its time inertly sitting on a shelf) irks me.

[Blue Ninja]

This is another major improvement to the story imho. It explains why Snake Eyes is able to work with the team despite an injury that for all intents and purposes should have earned him an automatic medical discharge (we already saw what almost happened in the first ep because he couldn't shout a warning). I don't know what protocol is for assets or "contractors", but if his origin in relation to Scarlet is the same it would make a lot more sense that Scarlet could keep him on off the books, as much for his skills as mutual loyalty.

I kno that exceptions for some handicaps/injuries can be made, but being mute does seem to make it hard for Snake to be a good team member.

Of course, having a ninja of his power under your control could be a good reason to keep him enlisted.

But I agree, Snake-Eyes as an independent contractor makes much more sense. Particularly if he is working alone most of the time.

[Blue Ninja]

The only one problem with the technology theory. When Spirit and the Baroness were made, they basically used the same technology as Fisher-Price Little People. That line was at least 6-7 years old at the time, probably much older.

I think it's interesting that except for Baroness and comic pack Covergirl, they don't use that hair technique for female figures until the 25th/ME stuff comes along.

Lady jaye and zarana also went with the Scarlett style. Only the Baroness got a "wig." and none of them were remade until Scarlett got a "real hair" ponytail and a crappy ninja-force body.

I think it was because Baroness...and later Cover Girl's reissue in the comic pack...was to have a glamor factor. Baroness was suppose to be a femme fatale and Cover Girl a model.

Back to production quality and economy, Remember that Scarlett was a production/marketing "prototype." She was part of the initial line...(even before Cobra was added). The cost of production was tightly controlled for a line that had yet to prove itself. The Baroness was released as GI Joe was on the Rocket to the top!

[ChaplainAsst]

The Renegades version of Mindbender is a scrawny smartass 21st century digital boy douche bag, just the sort of person that would design Bio-Vipers in a corporate basement. I thought his character worked quite well.


I kind of think of the Renegades Mindbender to be more like the Cobra scientist Hotwire. YOJOE.COM | Hotwire (http://www.yojoe.com/action/08/hotwire.shtml)

The comic that came with this convention figure was very much in line showed a scientist much in line with the Renegades Mindbender. That may be the inspiration.

[MFJayman]

I really kinda dig this new Mindbender. I never really had any like or dislike for the old one. Plus, didn't he have the same accent as the Baroness in Sunbow? Rather...redundant?

Anyway, regarding Renegades Mindbender, I think we've all met a few dipsh@$s like him. I think he's relatable. Don't know about his outfit though. Can't really see him as a future toy. I hate those freakin' long plastic coats. Joes should be limber and flexible IMO. And be able to actually sit down.

[General Hawk]

This is another major improvement to the story imho. It explains why Snake Eyes is able to work with the team despite an injury that for all intents and purposes should have earned him an automatic medical discharge (we already saw what almost happened in the first ep because he couldn't shout a warning). I don't know what protocol is for assets or "contractors", but if his origin in relation to Scarlet is the same it would make a lot more sense that Scarlet could keep him on off the books, as much for his skills as mutual loyalty.

Totally agree. The entire loner mentality with mental issues and physical deformities is much better suited to a "freelance" agent than a standard member of military SpecOps, in my opinion.

This is a fantastic alteration from the core mythos that works flawlessly, I think.

I'm about as sick and tired of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow as any Joefan can be, but I'm really looking forward to the Arashikage 2-parter, just to see what other interesting wrinkles the Renegades writers add to the history of the ninja brothers.

Justin

[MFJayman]

Man, is this great or what. I haven't talked about G.I. Joe like this for probably 20 years. I feel like a kid again. And now everyone'll be getting back together, Flint and Jaye, Destro and Baroness, Scarlett and SE...or wait, Scarlett and Duke or...no, not Ripcord, they won't go down that route will they? Let the furtive glances and slaps and awkward pickup lines begin!

Ahh. Good times.

[kneroh]

Man, is this great or what. I haven't talked about G.I. Joe like this for probably 20 years. I feel like a kid again. And now everyone'll be getting back together, Flint and Jaye, Destro and Baroness, Scarlett and SE...or wait, Scarlett and Duke or...no, not Ripcord, they won't go down that route will they? Let the furtive glances and slaps and awkward pickup lines begin!

Ahh. Good times.

Now this makes me truly happy! This is what the boards are all about right here. Thanks for the reminder brother and welcome to the tank!

[MFJayman]

I love love love how Scarlett is a total bitch in Renegades. I hope she gets even more hard-ass, for a while at least. Then when she actually starts to soften and begins to make friends with her comrades, especially Duke, it will be a very special thing.

The more dysfunctional the group is at the beginning, the more impressive and moving it will be when they start to meld together into the ultimate, well oiled, close-knit team.

[MFJayman]

Hey thanks kneroh, glad I could bring some joy! Yeah, I guess you can probably ballpark my age. Its been a while since I had much of anything to do with G.I. Joe, but back in the day (say, '86-'92) it was my drug of choice. Really, I was quite addicted.

[MFJayman]

I say, throw everything possible at these Renegade Joes, I mean really beat the hell out of them. The US military, other militaries, Cobra of course, the Dreadnoks, genetically engineered dire wolves, whatever...scatter them and make them hack through wildernesses to find each other again. Just put them through the coals and the furnace and make the toughest steel out of them.

And man, will they grow to truly hate Cobra in the process. And vice versa, when they simply will not die.

[CVdelgado]

true dat.

[MFJayman]

Hey, I guess in this Renegades world, you'd have school kids sitting in class with Cobra t-shirts, just like Nike or Disney t-shirts, and dads with Cobra hats at barbeques, just like Caterpillar or Yankee hats. Isn't that just the coolest notion? I bet there is Cobra brand vodka and cigarettes. Lingerie, theme parks, clothing boutiques in the malls. And plenty of apple products, especially hard cider. You name it.

[kennywr22]

I gotta say I've watched the two episodes four times now. I'm in love with this show and even more at what future episodes have in store. Awesome, just awesome.

[Gyre-Viper]

FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY. FRIDAY.
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[kennywr22]

Four days till .........BLUDD!!!

[General Hawk]

I've never looked forward to Fridays more! :D

Hope we see some other characters appear, too...

Justin

[MFJayman]

I'm really looking forward to seeing the dynamic between Destro and C Commander. And how perhaps the Baroness will be torn in her loyalties (assuming she and Destro become an item). I'm thinking that Destro might be somewhat less of a total villain as CC (certainly) and Baroness are. Sort of a non-psychopathic bad guy who has at least some capacity left to do good. Someone willing to rob and swindle and enslave, but not necessarily kill innocents. I think this could be a very interesting character.

[Zefram]

YES! The Torrents are up and seeding! I can finally burn this to a disc and show my aging fanboys friends that don't live on this site why people buy so many Snake Eyes figs.

And when the official DVD release comes out, I really want to see creator staff interviews. I'm curious as to a lot of the decisions that went into the story, designs, and voice directing.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I really can not stand this skinny lanky Cobra Commnader half mask/half burnt weeny look. I dunno why they just can't pick a CC and STICK WITH IT...I mean the ROC CC was pretty bad...and then they improve the ROC CC mask with the chase POC CC which look prety cool but now we get ANOTHER CC...nothing wrong with this 80's Cowl/Crome dome plate head or even his Battle Armor from 86....all are perfectly fine and modern looking...dosent need to go all Addam's family gimp mode on us...and hide behind a computer screen like some scared weeny hermit...seriously...

[kneroh]

I really can not stand this skinny lanky Cobra Commnader half mask/half burnt weeny look. I dunno why they just can't pick a CC and STICK WITH IT...I mean the ROC CC was pretty bad...and then they improve the ROC CC mask with the chase POC CC which look prety cool but now we get ANOTHER CC...nothing wrong with this 80's Cowl/Crome dome plate head or even his Battle Armor from 86....all are perfectly fine and modern looking...dosent need to go all Addam's family gimp mode on us...and hide behind a computer screen like some scared weeny hermit...seriously...

You should ask Batman that same question.

[CVdelgado]

im sure cobra commander will don his battle mask in the future. he doesnt really have to wear it when hes all by his lonesome does he?

[Gyre-Viper]

You should ask Batman that same question.



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[CVdelgado]

is the voice of duke the same as optimus prime from tfa?

[kneroh]

is the voice of duke the same as optimus prime from tfa?

No Duke is played by Jason Marsden, and OP is Peter Cullen

Edit: saw your later post. I didn't know what tfa was... I thought the "a" was a typo.

[Zefram]

You should ask Batman that same question.

Which one?

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/batman-color2.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/Batman_TAS_001_8613.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/batman-beyond-768862.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/azbat-2.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Random/batman-animated.jpg

[CVdelgado]

nope i checked not the same.

[CVdelgado]

No Duke is played by Jason Marsden, and OP is Peter Cullen

peter cullen didnt do tfa.

it was David Kaye.

[kneroh]

Which one?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFROi2zE7dcOYyQJT_JVGbZbmURvUIJ WhgZlIUPSmwzQi_3kC0

[CrimsonGuard101]

im sure cobra commander will don his battle mask in the future. he doesnt really have to wear it when hes all by his lonesome does he?

If you were burnt up like a weenie and your name was Fred you would either wear your Chrome mask or wear your red and green stripped sweater with knives for finger nails :)

[MFJayman]

As an alternative or alteration of C Commander's cowl, couldn't they just give him some sort of ski mask-type covering? Something like Firefly or Beachhead has, but blue, with a Cobra symbol on it? Then again, the cowl is quite distinctive…the current designers just seem pretty dead-set against using it again.

[CrimsonGuard101]

As an alternative or alteration of C Commander's cowl, couldn't they just give him some sort of ski mask-type covering? Something like Firefly or Beachhead has, but blue, with a Cobra symbol on it? Then again, the cowl is quite distinctive…the current designers just seem pretty dead-set against using it again.

Like this? lol you know they wanna do it...at least Sommers dreams of it!

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/crimsonguard101-albums-tempus-picture38149-darthvaderhelmet1.jpg

[hec35]

i don't like the g.i.joe renegades series, i would've like it if was done cgi like valor verses venom. if hasbro was able to do transformers prime cgi, why couldn't g.i.joe renegade be done that way, also i don't the way they change tostory regarding the character and how quickly they kill off ripcord. i hope a lot of people especially the true g.i.joe fans don't get hook on this series because it is not worth it.

[kneroh]

Well every artist is going to put his/her own spin on the character. I'm sure it would be pretty embarrassing to be commissioned for such a product and bring in something that has already been done. hell even in ARAH Cobra Commander had about 5 very distinctive looks. All very different from each other.

YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/cobracommander.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/87/cobracommander3.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/cobracommander4.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/94/cobracommander7.shtml)
and there was his power armor that showed up very late in the marvel run.

This version stays true enough to the original but is also a very fresh take.

[Zefram]

Well every artist is going to put his/her own spin on the character. I'm sure it would be pretty embarrassing to be commissioned for such a product and bring in something that has already been done. hell even in ARAH Cobra Commander had about 5 very distinctive looks. All very different from each other.

YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/cobracommander.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/87/cobracommander3.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/cobracommander4.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/94/cobracommander7.shtml)
and there was his power armor that showed up very late in the marvel run.

This version stays true enough to the original but is also a very fresh take.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/win/1272512764292.png

[MFJayman]

Ha, I like that Darth Vader one! Hard to beat that mask design. Probably just as recognizable around the world as Elvis or JFK.

[Barefoot Jedi]

Well every artist is going to put his/her own spin on the character. I'm sure it would be pretty embarrassing to be commissioned for such a product and bring in something that has already been done. hell even in ARAH Cobra Commander had about 5 very distinctive looks. All very different from each other.

YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/cobracommander.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/87/cobracommander3.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/cobracommander4.shtml)
YOJOE.COM | Cobra Commander (http://www.yojoe.com/action/94/cobracommander7.shtml)
and there was his power armor that showed up very late in the marvel run.

This version stays true enough to the original but is also a very fresh take.

V4's underrated. I particularly like how it was drawn in Marvel with the red faceplate not being translucent.

I am looking forward to seeing the full-on battle mask.

I honestly was never big on the hood look. I always preferred the chromedome anyway.

[MFJayman]

Maybe every few episodes they can have CC trying on a newly designed mask and flying into a rage when it just doesn't look right. You know, sort of perusing shelf after shelf of old and new head gear. He's gotta have quite a collection by now.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Maybe every few episodes they can have CC trying on a newly designed mask and flying into a rage when it just doesn't look right. You know, sort of perusing shelf after shelf of old and new head gear. He's gotta have quite a collection by now.

Kinda like in MMORPGs where you end up spending months for that one rare item and then the next expansion makes it obsolete as soon as it releases with standard gear? lol

[Barefoot Jedi]

I remember the Renegades panel at Joecon saying the looks of the characters are going to evolve as the series progresses.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I remember the Renegades panel at Joecon saying the looks of the characters are going to evolve as the series progresses.

yeah by season 8 they will look just like ROC...who wants to wait 8 seasons to see where they are going to go if it even lasts that long. If they don't get on the bandwagon of getting on with the updates and quit with the entire episode bio-viper battles it's going to be a long 8 seasons of very very small changes here and there as easter eggs at best...

[MFJayman]

Yeah. I'm definetely joking about CC trying on different helmets, but still, it does sound like something that would piss him off, always being fitted with something new.

[Zefram]

Yeah. I'm definetely joking about CC trying on different helmets, but still, it does sound like something that would piss him off, always being fitted with something new.

No way, CC is such a vain ponce he probably spends hours figuring out which mask goes best with which suit for his world ultimatum speeches.

[MFJayman]

I do like that one Renegades helmet they showed him wearing that completely covered his head (or appeared to). Honestly though, I'm not dead-set against any of his looks, really. I'm more interested in his character, his personality, his interactions. If those aren't right, then it won't really matter what he looks like. IMHO.

[kneroh]

I do like that one Renegades helmet they showed him wearing that completely covered his head (or appeared to). Honestly though, I'm not dead-set against any of his looks, really. I'm more interested in his character, his personality, his interactions. If those aren't right, then it won't really matter what he looks like. IMHO.

How dare you walk onto this board and be a rational and insightful human being!?

[xSwamiJayx]

yeah by season 8 they will look just like ROC...who wants to wait 8 seasons to see where they are going to go if it even lasts that long. If they don't get on the bandwagon of getting on with the updates and quit with the entire episode bio-viper battles it's going to be a long 8 seasons of very very small changes here and there as easter eggs at best...

Okey doke.

Simple question: if you dislike something so much, why do you expend so much time and energy on it?

Why not talk about something that you DO enjoy?

Just asking.

[xSwamiJayx]

How dare you walk onto this board and be a rational and insightful human being!?

Wonders never cease.

[MFJayman]

No way, CC is such a vain ponce he probably spends hours figuring out which mask goes best with which suit for his world ultimatum speeches.



You know, you're absolutely right, now that I really think about it. Didn't he go prancing around in the 1987 movie wearing a cape and carrying a golden scepter? That wasn't part of his usual "regalia", was it? I guess if the artists kept in line with his true character, he would show up wearing a new and improved outfit each episode.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Okey doke.

Simple question: if you dislike something so much, why do you expend so much time and energy on it?

Why not talk about something that you DO enjoy?

Just asking.

for every action there is an equal an opposite reaction...concurr?

[Barefoot Jedi]

You know, you're absolutely right, now that I really think about it. Didn't he go prancing around in the 1987 movie wearing a cape and carrying a golden scepter? That wasn't part of his usual "regalia", was it? I guess if the artists kept in line with his true character, he would show up wearing a new and improved outfit each episode.

In "The MASS Device" it was a pink cape... ;)

[CVdelgado]

http://storage.canalblog.com/85/62/413277/30593953.gif

i dont get it.

[CrimsonGuard101]

i dont get it.

Vintage MC Hammer for "You can't touch this"?

[xSwamiJayx]

for every action there is an equal an opposite reaction...concurr?

No. Well, maybe. Are you saying that the only reason you're taking a keyboard dump on this children's cartoon is because other people are enjoying it?

[MFJayman]

You know, if it wasn’t for C Commander’s vanity and concern with fashion, Cobra as a whole might have come out looking really dull. Instead, its one of the snappiest, sharpest, flashiest organizations out there. Forget all those weapon designs—his best work is in helping design all those great looking uniforms for his troops.

[xSwamiJayx]

You know, if it wasn’t for C Commander’s vanity and concern with fashion, Cobra as a whole might have come out looking really dull. Instead, its one of the snappiest, sharpest, flashiest organizations out there. Forget all those weapon designs—his best work is in helping design all those great looking uniforms for his troops.

This might be one of my favorite comments. Ever. Not only because it's funny, but it seems to be 100% true.

[Blue Ninja]

Rewatched the show on YouTube. A couple of notes:

I think the red shade, red tie suits in charge of security at the cobra plant are suppose to be CGs.

For those who want the cobra missile vehicle...it might be already out...back in 2005.

YOJOE.COM | R.O.C.C. Rolling Operations Command Center (http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/05/rocc/iso.shtml)

Might need some modification, but I noticed the cobra vehicle had the same radar/antenna rig as the rocc. (I was playing with mine yesterday.) the number of axials are different, and the launch mode may be different, but with little modification, I could see hasbro trying to pass this off as a new Coba vehicle.

Although, I bet one of you mad moders out their can do it better faster.

[CrimsonGuard101]

No. Well, maybe. Are you saying that the only reason you're taking a keyboard dump on this children's cartoon is because other people are enjoying it?


Noooooo, but if i can't enjoy it it my god given American right to bitch about it...especially with a toy brand I love to collect...I don't wanna see it go back to the doldrums of retardeness that happened after 1991...we were going great and POC is a huge step forward...this renegades bs leaves much to be desired...

[Tracker]

Ok I was finally able to watch Renegades

In short good story, good animation "thought the art style is still very odd to me".

As I understand it Gi Joe hasn't officially formed up yet, so it will be interesting to see the evolution of the unit. I willing to bet that Ripcord isn't dead, but it is cool that he started the tradition of the code/nick names.

I glad that Charlie Adler is still doing the his voice of Cobra Commander from resolute

i do like the continuing story ark too

I cool with the A-team feel of the story and it look like Hasbro did it on purpose.

Branded as renegades for crimes they did not commit, a heroic group of young G.I.s is forced to "turn fugitive" as they battle to clear their names and expose the evil that is Cobra Industries — a seemingly benevolent mega-corporation covertly controlled by a rogues gallery intent on creating a New World Order.[citation needed]

According to the recent "Hub Exclusive" TV broadcast, promoting this series and the Transformers Prime, homages to The A-Team movie are used in the background of this incarnation of the characters. Most notable is that Roadblock is stated to parallel to B.A. in size and mechanical aptitude, and Flint is formally an actual officer rather than a warrant officer and is specifically used as the officer assigned to arrest the Renegades, akin to Colonel Lynch of the A-Team series with Lady Jaye is sympathetic to her long time friend Duke and provides covert support to the Renegades as was Captain Charissa Sosa in the film and AAA in the 1980s TV series.

[MFJayman]

I willing to bet that Ripcord isn't dead, but it is cool that he started the tradition of the code/nick names.



These are my thoughts on Ripcord: he's not dead, but captured, taken to Cobra HQ. They force him to send a distress signal, as if he partially escaped, luring the Joes to come rescue him. Its a trap, all the Joes are captured, right in the main Cobra base. Introduced to C. Commander and everything, and they get an up close view of what Cobra is really all about. And so do we. How is that for a multi-episode senario?

[Tracker]

We'll just have to wait and see

[Snake Shadow09]

when does episode 3 air?

[DrKain]

So what is up with Scarlett? She got knocked out twice in a row.

[tycondrius]

that was awesome just watched ep1 and 2 . can wait for the 3rd. I like flint's design he seems quite a bada$$ kinda like what beach-head was in the original show.I'm liking that CC voice too. can't wait to see his full gear and desto's to.I'm kinda wondering if Dr mindbender will end up in an accident and make him look like his balder self ?i still like hi redesign but be kinda fun to see the old doc . maybe even as a temp appearance after a mishap.

[spike78a]

"you cannot call this crap stylized just to make it sound cool" style is in the eye of the beholder. i like the style, the way
the characters are drawn it reminds me of mike mignola. what i don't like is that at time the animation looks choppy like a motion comic.

[MFJayman]

when does episode 3 air?

I believe at 6pm or 5pm Friday.

I've basically just been watching it all on Youtube. I don't get the Hub, and alot of other channels as well.

[MFJayman]

The Youtube videos I was watching had some sound problems, where the sound would decrease and then increase again every few seconds. And when it decreased, the animation seemed to slow down or "skip" as well. That was the only real obvious choppiness I noticed. At least, that was the only thing that made me think, "Woah, that's not good".

[spike78a]

they nailed down flint. he's cocky but level headed and firm. and i like how they switched things up and gave flint a higher rank than duke, kinda like how ultra magnus was over prime in transformers animated.

[Barefoot Jedi]

Anyone attempting a Renegades Baroness custom might find this head useful:

Sigel Dare
Rebelscum.com: Star Wars The Legacy Collection Photo Archives (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCcomicpacksLC08.asp)

[MeLikeJinx]

So what is up with Scarlett? She got knocked out twice in a row.
Isn't Renegades Scarlett like an intelligence officer or something, not a field operative... that's why Snake Eyes always there to protect her. And I can't believe for this show they made Scarlett's famous orange body suit just a kevlar vest. LOL.

[Zefram]

I'm kinda wondering if Dr mindbender will end up in an accident and make him look like his balder self ?

I don't think he's old enough to shave, much less rock a handlebar. >_>;

[07GT500 COBRA]

I voted average for the first two episodes. There were some cool moments and no real big groans come to mind (unlike the ROC movie). I'm excited to see where the series goes, few pilot episodes really take off as it takes a few episodes to hit stride.

[kennywr22]

Episode 3 is Friday at 5:30..I'm counting down hours. Can not wait to see how bludd looks and acts.

[takedown]

Roadblock = B.A.
Tunnelrat = Murdock
Duke = Hannibal
Snake-eyes = ? Face
If you have a problem, and you can find them, you may be able to call in the A-TEAM = Joe Team.

Cool I finally found this post.
After watching the entire series of The A-Team.
This is how I see it transferred to Renegades.

Gen Abernathy - Gen Stockwell (season 5)
Flint - Col Decker (Season 2 MP)
Lady Jaye - Amy Amanda Allen (season 1 & 2)

Scarlett - Face (opposingly going along with the plan)
Duke - Hannibal (making the crazy plans)
Roadblock -BA Baracus - of course
Tunnel Rat - Dishpan Frankie Santana (Season 5)
Rip Cord - Raymond Brenner (Funeral Season 1 Episode 14)

Snake Eyes - Murdock (a Martial Artist in his own mind and not part of the wanted A-Team, he comes and goes when he pleases).

they nailed down flint. he's cocky but level headed and firm. and i like how they switched things up and gave flint a higher rank than duke, kinda like how ultra magnus was over prime in transformers animated.

That's because in all the cartoon series, Duke always assumed an Officer's role not First Sergeant. But Flint was a Warrant Officer and higher than Duke as an E-8. And the SUNBOW 2nd season ORBATS, Hawk was the General of the unit, Duke was the Field Commanding Officer, Flint was the XO, Beachhead was the First Sergeant, Sgt Slaughter - Training Sgt.

Hama originally planned for Duke to be an Officer, but for Hasbro he transitioned him to First Sergeant, because they didnt know how big GI JOE would be and didnt want the CO and XO of the GI JOE team to look exactly the same. Also Duke looked older than Hawk's 1982 figure. So he became a First Sergeant on paper. Even tho unknowingly, Duke's Officer position for the JOES leaked into the cartoon tv series.

So it's up to you, where you place Duke, as an Officer or as a Top Sergeant or Sergeant.

[MeLikeJinx]

That's because in all the cartoon series, Duke always assumed an Officer's role not First Sergeant. But Flint was a Warrant Officer and higher than Duke as an E-8. And the SUNBOW 3rd season ORBATS, Hawk was the General of the unit, Duke was the Field Commanding Officer, Flint was the XO, Beachhead was the First Sergeant, Sgt Slaughter - Training Sgt.

Hama originally planned for Duke to be an Officer, but for Hasbro he transitioned him to First Sergeant, because they didnt know how big GI JOE would be and didnt want the CO and XO of the GI JOE team to look exactly the same. Also Duke looked older than Hawk's 1982 figure. So he became a First Sergeant on paper. Even tho unknowingly, Duke's Officer position for the JOES leaked into the cartoon tv series.

So it's up to you, where you place Duke, as an Officer or as a Top Sergeant or Sergeant.
That was a good read; remind me of the Lt. Falcon thread about if he was actually higher rank than Flint. LOL.

For me... Sunbow Duke is 1st Sergeant, but Flint still in charge. For Resolute Duke... he is like bada** Command Sergeant Major... Flint yield to his bada**ness. LOL. For Renegades Duke... no contest... Flint's coolness supercede all rank IMO. LOL.

[takedown]

That was a good read; remind me of the Lt. Falcon thread about if he was actually higher rank than Flint. LOL.

Thought Falcon learned his lesson in the movie and ready to be the new leader of GI JOE but apparently Headman had other plans.
But that's prolly beating a dead horse, sorry i missed it.
Oh well and now back to Renegades. 81 hours til Maj Bludd?

[Trooper13]

Cool I finally found this post.
After watching the entire series of The A-Team.
This is how I see it transferred to Renegades.

Gen Abernathy - Gen Stockwell (season 5)
Flint - Col Decker (Season 2 MP)
Lady Jaye - Amy Amanda Allen (season 1 & 2)

Scarlett - Face (opposingly going along with the plan)
Duke - Hannibal (making the crazy plans)
Roadblock -BA Baracus - of course
Tunnel Rat - Dishpan Frankie Santana (Season 5)
Rip Cord - Raymond Brenner (Funeral Season 1 Episode 14)

Snake Eyes - Murdock (not part of the wanted A-Team, comes and goes when he pleases).



That's because in all the cartoon series, Duke always assumed an Officer's role not First Sergeant. But Flint was a Warrant Officer and higher than Duke as an E-8. And the SUNBOW 3rd season ORBATS, Hawk was the General of the unit, Duke was the Field Commanding Officer, Flint was the XO, Beachhead was the First Sergeant, Sgt Slaughter - Training Sgt.

Hama originally planned for Duke to be an Officer, but for Hasbro he transitioned him to First Sergeant, because they didnt know how big GI JOE would be and didnt want the CO and XO of the GI JOE team to look exactly the same. Also Duke looked older than Hawk's 1982 figure. So he became a First Sergeant on paper. Even tho unknowingly, Duke's Officer position for the JOES leaked into the cartoon tv series.

So it's up to you, where you place Duke, as an Officer or as a Top Sergeant or Sergeant.

Actually, just because Flint outranks Duke means nothing. First, He's a Warrant Officer and Helicopter Pilot. The reason for the WO program being reinstated during Vietnam was so they could recruit Chopper Pilots and give them an "officer" rank, but not a commissioned rank, as they hold no command. Even now, WO's are still pilots, and now technical specialists in their field, but they are considered technical advisors and experts, or pilots and still don't hold command. That being said, a WO can be given operational command of a detail to accomplish specific tasks where their expertise would make another command officer superfluos. So yes, Flint in ARAH and Sunbow outranked Duke, but he really wouldn't be put "in command", unless it was a small detail that required his specific knowledge.

[takedown]

Actually, just because Flint outranks Duke means nothing. First, He's a Warrant Officer and Helicopter Pilot. The reason for the WO program being reinstated during Vietnam was so they could recruit Chopper Pilots and give them an "officer" rank, but not a commissioned rank, as they hold no command. Even now, WO's are still pilots, and now technical specialists in their field, but they are considered technical advisors and experts, or pilots and still don't hold command. That being said, a WO can be given operational command of a detail to accomplish specific tasks where their expertise would make another command officer superfluos. So yes, Flint in ARAH and Sunbow outranked Duke, but he really wouldn't be put "in command", unless it was a small detail that required his specific knowledge.

Since about 1970-72, Warrant Officers have been the Executive Officers of the Green Beret OD-A Teams. Because Butter Bars and 1Lt's didnt have the experience. So I consider him Special Forces first and Flint's Helicopter skills was civilian and took the Flight Warrant Officers school to make it 'official'... Since 1927 Wichita Kansas is known as the Air Capital of the World... And the Flint Hills of Kansas is about an hour or two outside of Wichita. (Depends if you got Crankcase driving.)

[tycondrius]

well they could write it in for a temp look(well the baldness) after an experiment blows up in his face leaving his head temporally bald lol.

also Gen hawks look is sweet hope he gets a figure with the eye patch
.I don't think he's old enough to shave, much less rock a handlebar. >_>;

[Trooper13]

Since about 1970-72, Warrant Officers have been the Executive Officers of the Green Beret OD-A Teams. Because Butter Bars and 1Lt's didnt have the experience. So I consider him Special Forces first and Flint's Helicopter skills was civilian and took the Flight Warrant Officers school to make it 'official'... Since 1927 Wichita Kansas is known as the Air Capital of the World... And the Flint Hills of Kansas is about an hour or two outside of Wichita. (Depends if you got Crankcase driving.)

Right, but if you're talking ARAH Flint, then afawk he was just a Ranger. Also, you just proved my statement. XO's aren't command officers, they are staff.

[takedown]

Right, but if you're talking ARAH Flint, then afawk he was just a Ranger. Also, you just proved my statement. XO's aren't command officers, they are staff.

Didnt know he was just a Ranger, but yeah the ARAH black beret color is of the 75th Ranger, back in the day. I always thought of it as he was special forces green beret but with the wrong color beret. His beret patch aways looked close to a special forces green beret pin. And split A-Team the Warrant Officer would be in command of the other 5 troops. Oh well I concede to you, trooper13. Since I dont have actual experience. I only have a National Defense Service ribbon and a desire to research. Might throw off my fanfic of Dashiell Faireborn from, 1971 graduation from Chaplain Kapaun Memorial High School.

Tho I would like to see about this state chamionship. Duke might have a dad that is from the 1st Infantry Division Fort Riley and that how he is up against Flint in Kansas state championship and Duke being farmer-smart.

[Trooper13]

Didnt know he was just a Ranger, but yeah the ARAH black beret color is of the 75th Ranger, back in the day. I always thought of it as he was special forces green beret but with the wrong color beret. His beret patch aways looked close to a special forces green beret pin. And split A-Team the Warrant Officer would be in command of the other 5 troops. Oh well I concede to you, trooper13. Since I dont have actual experience. I only have a National Defense Service ribbon and a desire to research. Might throw off my fanfic of Dashiell Faireborn from, 1971 graduation from Chaplain Kapaun Memorial High School.

Tho I would like to see about this state chamionship. Duke might have a dad that is from the 1st Infantry Division Fort Riley and that how he is up against Flint in Kansas state championship and Duke being farmer-smart.



Well, like I said, a WO can be placed in charge of a detail if their experience makes it practical. So as you said, Flint being in charge of a five man team could definitely happen. However, it's pretty unlikely that the team would include Duke as he has experience and he's part of the NCO chain. Unless they were stealing or sabotaging Cobra choppers or something. lol

[takedown]

Well, like I said, a WO can be placed in charge of a detail if their experience makes it practical. So as you said, Flint being in charge of a five man team could definitely happen. However, it's pretty unlikely that the team would include Duke as he has experience and he's part of the NCO chain. Unless they were stealing or sabotaging Cobra choppers or something. lol

So, its like I always thought. "The most dangerous thing in the world", Cobra should've promoted Shipwreck, Lifeline and Dialtone to Captain. That would have really created chaos within the joes.

[Snake Shadow09]

I believe at 6pm or 5pm Friday.

I've basically just been watching it all on Youtube. I don't get the Hub, and alot of other channels as well.

so episode 4 will be on saturday?

[kneroh]

so episode 4 will be on saturday?

It's a weekly show so episode 4 will air Friday, Dec 10th

[dj7000]

Agreed.

see, we can get along:)

[Zefram]

see, we can get along:)

Or at least agree on certain things. ;)

[Snake Shadow09]

It's a weekly show so episode 4 will air Friday, Dec 10th

cheers.

[dj7000]

anyone notice the cameo appearance by junkyard or was this already mentioned?

[RolandofGilead]

When I spotted Junk Yard, I kinda hoped to see Mutt chasing after him before joining the new Joes. :)

Any word on if we'll get to see actual Cobra Troopers, or Vipers of some kind? I wasn't impressed with the security detail in the first show.

[Trooper13]

...is it Friday yet? :/

[kennywr22]

Haha.... not yet trooper. Its so awesome to be waiting for a show each week. Haven't been this crazy for a show in probably 20 years.

[kennywr22]

I'm hoping for crimson guards. My guess is we will see them later on when the twins are introduced. I'm curious how a cobra Christmas party will be. Could be a cool place for a couple cameos.

[Trooper13]

Haha.... not yet trooper. Its so awesome to be waiting for a show each week. Haven't been this crazy for a show in probably 20 years.

I hear ya.

Honestly, I never really cared much for Sunbow as a kid. It was fun to watch to kill time, especially when home sick from school. Honestly, though. Sunbow wasn't very good. Mainly, I read the comics, and played with the toys.

However, I love good tv. Wether it be an adult live action show, or a cartoon. I just love quality tv. It's nice that I'm now able to get that with Joe. My boys and I loved sitting down watching Renegades together last Friday, and I'm really looking forward to that being a family ritual. My oldest and I had that with "The Batman" years ago when it was on Saturday mornings.

This is a great time for me, and my kids. Doesn't get much better then that. I hope other dads out there are having the same experience.

[Trooper13]

I'm hoping for crimson guards. My guess is we will see them later on when the twins are introduced. I'm curious how a cobra Christmas party will be. Could be a cool place for a couple cameos.

The Cobra Christmas Party should be epic. The CG's were my favorite when I was a kid. I've hated all the versions of them with the exception of the original. Even IDW's, and normally I love there designs. Everything after the original tried to make them either look like something out of Star Wars, or those hideous Crimson Neo-Vipers from the movie.

I love what we've seen from the design team so far on Renegades. I'm hoping they find a way to bring them into modern times, along with the balance the original design had between military badassery and pageantry. The coolest thing, to me, about the CG's, besides the fact that they were covert espionage agents, was the fact that while they looked dangerous, they also looked ELITE in a classy way.

[MFJayman]

Could it be possible that that kid in Springfield who owns the Junkyard-looking dog could in fact be the future Mutt? I mean, depending on the time progression through the season or seasons, given enough years, maybe that kid could join up as a young, say 18 or 19 year old, Mutt. I mean, he's gotta have a pretty good feeling for the Joes now, after they saved him from the Bio-Viper. Right?

[MFJayman]

I think it would be smooth as hell if they started slyly introducing some future Joes in the early episodes, years before they actually become part of the team. Like the kid in Springfield. I bet even some current employees of Cobra will actually see the light and defect to the Joes, eventually.

[kennywr22]

You know trooper I was pretty similiar as a kid, but I pretty much never watched the cartoon. The comic and toys were it. I thought the cartoon was way to silly even as a kid.this is why I love renegades, creative designs and smart story. After having to watch such crap as venom vs valor movie, sigma 6(I did like some designs but just too silly), even the original Joe movie pissed me off by tossing cobra commander aside for that cobra la crap. We now seem to have the Joe's that I always wanted in a cartoon.

[Adamantite]

I'm really hoping they make Bludd badass. I never liked his ARAH interpretation.

[MFJayman]

The Cobra Christmas Party should be epic. The CG's were my favorite when I was a kid. I've hated all the versions of them with the exception of the original. Even IDW's, and normally I love there designs. Everything after the original tried to make them either look like something out of Star Wars, or those hideous Crimson Neo-Vipers from the movie.



Speaking of Crimson Guards--I distinctly remember as a kid, in 1986, actually buying my first G.I. Joe, and it was a Crimson Guard, in some drugstore. I assume there were some other figures there on the pegs, but clearly the CG really stood out. I had already dug out a few older figures from my neighbor's sandbox, but that CG was the first I personally bought.

[MFJayman]

I'm really hoping they make Bludd badass. I never liked his ARAH interpretation.


Couldn't agree more. I though the eye patch and mustache and pirate-y voice was too much. A little goofy and overdone. If he has a mustache, I'd like to see them just give him a full beard, make him really gruff, grizzled. Like a mercenary captain whose been leading raids and living out of a thatched roof hut in Zimbabwe or Kazakhstan for most of the last decade.

[kennywr22]

Yea. Bludd needs a cool Makeover. I can't even guess how he might look in renegades. I do think it will be badass though.

[General Hawk]

When I spotted Junk Yard, I kinda hoped to see Mutt chasing after him before joining the new Joes. :)

Any word on if we'll get to see actual Cobra Troopers, or Vipers of some kind? I wasn't impressed with the security detail in the first show.

Some of the production team at JoeCon last year actually said that while the Cobra Troopers will start off just as security detail, you'll actually see them evolve into the REAL Cobra Troopers as the series progresses.

I'm thinking we're going to kind of see a slow build up to the point where Cobra is actually revealed to be Cobra... the absorbing of MARS, the revalation of Cobra Commander in his battle gear, and the Cobra Troopers will all play a big role, I'd imagine.

Going to be really awesome to see.

Justin

[kennywr22]

Just a little something you all might like. It seems Clement has posted a cool new pic of the main cast. Artwork is so badass.love it.



http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/333/9/2/gijoe_renegades_line_up_by_clementsauve-d33vqcm.jpg

[General Hawk]

Awesome. Love the lighting sources.

Justin

[MFJayman]

It'd be cool if Cobra actually operates a few PMCs, private military companies, along with its other corporate operations. You know, PMCs like Blackwater and Dyncorp, etc. And maybe Bludd operates one, maybe even Firely operates one specializing in sabotage, that sort of thing. So it could truly be engaged in para-military activities already, but in the form of legitimate (though sketchy) PMCs.

[General Hawk]

Wow...did anyone read the comments? That's where the REAL story is.

Clem says this:


I must say that throwing in Ripcord at the last minute to make sure nobody saw his death coming was pretty clever of Randy.

He's talking about the Renegades opening/intro. Many folks hypothosized that Ripcord was in the opening, so he must not REALLY be dead. But it sounds like putting him in the opening was actually a swerve to make us think he was a permanent member of the cast.

Which could, in turn, mean he's really dead.

Justin

[RolandofGilead]

I have no doubt that Ripcord has gone to the clearing where his path ends.

[MFJayman]

Oh man! I actually feel kinda bad for Ripcord. I did see ROC and understand many of the complaints, but...I don't know. I mean, he seemed to me like maybe the youngest, greenest of the team so far. He'd probably get a lot more serious after being through a few battles. After a little shell shock. Not quite as jokey and all.

Whatever. I'm neutral on him, really.

[dj7000]

Or at least agree on certain things. ;)

That's a start:)

[dj7000]

Maybe this isnt the thread, but can someone confirm what the action figures are gonna look like? Are they gonna just be the same as POC style with Renegades slapped on the box(realistic) or more styalized like the Clone wars figures? thanks

[dj7000]

I think it would be smooth as hell if they started slyly introducing some future Joes in the early episodes, years before they actually become part of the team. Like the kid in Springfield. I bet even some current employees of Cobra will actually see the light and defect to the Joes, eventually.

Good insight. I mean he has every right to be pissed at Cobra now. However, By the time he gets Dukes age, Buddy would relistically be close to death if not dead. Perhaps a pup named...wait for it....Junkyard?

[Adamantite]

Wow...did anyone read the comments? That's where the REAL story is.

Clem says this:



He's talking about the Renegades opening/intro. Many folks hypothosized that Ripcord was in the opening, so he must not REALLY be dead. But it sounds like putting him in the opening was actually a swerve to make us think he was a permanent member of the cast.

Which could, in turn, mean he's really dead.

Justin


Oh yes! Please let Ripcord be done for!
I accept the apology Hasbro!

[Steevy Maximus]

Maybe this isnt the thread, but can someone confirm what the action figures are gonna look like? Are they gonna just be the same as POC style with Renegades slapped on the box(realistic) or more styalized like the Clone wars figures? thanks

Recent Q and As point to the figures being PoC (realistic) styled, but reports from Joe con last summer pointed to them having a more stylized look.

More than likely, there won't be any certain confirmation one way or the other until Toy Fair next February.

[RolandofGilead]

I think the coolest thing about watching the show last Friday was looking for the links to the GI Joe that I know like spotting Junkyard or recognizing Lady Jaye. I even yelled out happily "that's Flint" at one point.

[Blue Ninja]

I have no doubt that Ripcord has gone to the clearing where his path ends.

Very poetic. Almost Native American in feeling.

[kennywr22]

Wow. I'm a bit shocked that ripcord is really dead...I thought for sure he'd be back. Just wow..

[Adamantite]

I think the coolest thing about watching the show last Friday was looking for the links to the GI Joe that I know like spotting Junkyard or recognizing Lady Jaye. I even yelled out happily "that's Flint" at one point.


I like to think that the army guy giving Ripcord a hard time at the beginning was Zap. But just a mustache is too little to jump to any conclusions.

[minitrue]

I'm curious about the poll results. It looks like only about 300 people voted. Surely there are way more than 300 tankers. I would think that since this cartoon premere was the biggest Joe news in quite some time that there would be more people weighing in. I know many people don't get the cable channel, but it's been on YouTube for several days. Do most tankers not care about this one way or the other?

[MFJayman]

For anyone interested, they actually have the POC Wave 3 (or 2011 Wave 1) available on Hasbro Toy Shop. I just went there and bought a few. Like 5. Oh, but, as you might expect, they are plum out of Cobra Shock Troopers.

[RolandofGilead]

Very poetic. Almost Native American in feeling.

It's from the Dark Tower series.


I like to think that the army guy giving Ripcord a hard time at the beginning was Zap. But just a mustache is too little to jump to any conclusions.

I missed that one, but I like the way you're thinking.

[Sunbow_Joe84]

For all intents and purposes it's a safe bet that ripcord is dead. however there might be something in the future. It'd make a awesome season finally to see he's being held prisoner by cobra. It's be even cooler if he was rescued by flint.

[RolandofGilead]

Ripcord knowingly sacrificed himself for his team mates. Strangers mind you, not even friends yet. Heck, most of the team was busy ridiculing him and telling him to shut up but in the end he proved his courage. Bringing him back would only lessen the impact and bring the show down from the level they are obviously trying to obtain. This isn't kids' play. The danger is real, and people can die.

[MFJayman]

One thing I was a little disappointed with was Lady Jaye's voice. Not about her sounding Latina or anything, but because she didn't sound quite raspy enough. I always thought the Sunbow version's voice sounded kind of Demi Moore-ish. And I must say, I was quite taken with it, yes indeed I was.

If she is intended to be Latina however, how do they explain her name? Alison Hart-Burnett? Adopted perhaps? I really wouldn't mind if she was Latina. I'd like to see some of that (admittedly stereotypical) Latin spice in her personality. You know, a real firecracker.

[General Hawk]

I like to think that the army guy giving Ripcord a hard time at the beginning was Zap. But just a mustache is too little to jump to any conclusions.

I dunno, he kind of gave off more of a Leatherneck feel to me... I was hoping someone would call him by name!

Justin

[Trooper13]

"Ripcord" may be dead, but personally, I think we'll see him again. As a Bio-Viper created "Synthiod". Basically, in the explosion the Bio-Viper imprinted him, and now can assume his form. It'd be awesome, I tell ya, awesome.

[MFJayman]

I'm just curious, what was people's main beef with Ripcord? Was it that he was too jokey, too goofy, or because they changed his race? Or both equally?

I can't even remember what the original looked like. I'll have to look him up.

[MFJayman]

Oooh, I see. He WAS indeed white, red haired, with that cool camo and parachute pack. Yeah, I had that guy. He was cool.

[Trooper13]

I'm just curious, what was people's main beef with Ripcord? Was it that he was too jokey, too goofy, or because they changed his race? Or both equally?

I can't even remember what the original looked like. I'll have to look him up.

My problem with RoC Ripcord was that I simply didn't like what they did with the character.

The original ARAH character was a HALO jumper and a serious soldier. I wasn't a fan of the "I really wanna fly planes" angle. It's not like you become a HALO jumper, or Special Forces soldier by accident. You just don't slide into those jobs, you have to work really hard to achieve either of those career paths.

While I wasn't a fan of making the character a clown, I think Wayans knocked the role out of the park.

In the end, it's just my attatchment to ARAH Rip that made me unhappy with the changes to his character. Once I reconcilled the fact that these are two different universes and the Ripcord I loved as a kid is a thing of the past, I was fine with him. He just went from a character I really liked alot, to just another one of the Joes I don't really care about one way or another.

[MeLikeJinx]

I think the coolest thing about watching the show last Friday was looking for the links to the GI Joe that I know like spotting Junkyard or recognizing Lady Jaye. I even yelled out happily "that's Flint" at one point.
Yah, when I saw Flint expecting the scene in the background I was literally like, "AHHHHH! That's Flint!!!" Then I pounded the pillows in excitement. LOL. Also was cool to see Junkyard as well... or at least a dog that looked like Junkyard. LOL.

[RenHoek]

You guys are so frickin' crazy. Hey, a rottweiler! Got to be Junkyard! Seriously, it's probably the only time we'll ever see this dog. There isn't any way to actually somehow make this dog a GI Joe without the entire series revolving on it as the main character.

[MeLikeJinx]

"Ripcord" may be dead, but personally, I think we'll see him again. As a Bio-Viper created "Synthiod". Basically, in the explosion the Bio-Viper imprinted him, and now can assume his form. It'd be awesome, I tell ya, awesome.
I wonder if he will still be in the intro in the next ep. LOL.

Ripcord knowingly sacrificed himself for his team mates. Strangers mind you, not even friends yet. Heck, most of the team was busy ridiculing him and telling him to shut up but in the end he proved his courage. Bringing him back would only lessen the impact and bring the show down from the level they are obviously trying to obtain. This isn't kids' play. The danger is real, and people can die.
I agree... bringing Ripcord back would definitely lessen the impact of his sacrifice, especially since it happened so early on in the show.

I think maybe this is how the whole series will be... people die... then they get replaced by a new person with the same specialty.

[Trooper13]

I think you're all synthoids...

[kennywr22]

So re watching the making of special i realized they go into each Joe about his behavior and such but not ripcord...didn't realize it before. Also noticed while showing a little bit of storyboard art that snake eyes looked completely different. Pretty much a Guy in a karate type get up with just a visor. Strange but cool.I of course paused it to check it out. Anyways I found it interesting.

[Steevy Maximus]

So re watching the making of special i realized they go into each Joe about his behavior and such but not ripcord...didn't realize it before. Also noticed while showing a little bit of storyboard art that snake eyes looked completely different. Pretty much a Guy in a karate type get up with just a visor. Strange but cool.I of course paused it to check it out. Anyways I found it interesting.

Could those be storyboards for upcoming episodes, maybe?

I finally watched the first two episodes, and while I'm not enormously enthused by what I watched, I definitely see enormous potential in the series already.
I think the big reason I'm not as big into the series at the moment is because it definitely feels more of "slow simmer" series compared to what we usually get for the action cartoon angle. My big concern going forward is: Will kids, used to seeing big action sequences and big characters fairly frequently, get bored waiting for the "big stuff" to happen in Renegades?

Either way, I'm open to seeing more. Animation was very nice, very polished (despite opinions on the art style, I do feel the series is pretty dang polished for an action cartoon), voices were solid all the way around, and I think, given a little time, this could easily develop into the best Joe series we've ever had (granted that isn't saying much).

[kennywr22]

I thought at first maybe it was but it seems to be the opening fight against the cobra security guards. Be cool if it was a flashback scene or something for later.

[MFJayman]

Could those be storyboards for upcoming episodes, maybe?

I finally watched the first two episodes, and while I'm not enormously enthused by what I watched, I definitely see enormous potential in the series already.
I think the big reason I'm not as big into the series at the moment is because it definitely feels more of "slow simmer" series compared to what we usually get for the action cartoon angle. My big concern going forward is: Will kids, used to seeing big action sequences and big characters fairly frequently, get bored waiting for the "big stuff" to happen in Renegades?

Either way, I'm open to seeing more. Animation was very nice, very polished (despite opinions on the art style, I do feel the series is pretty dang polished for an action cartoon), voices were solid all the way around, and I think, given a little time, this could easily develop into the best Joe series we've ever had (granted that isn't saying much).


Wow, that's a different sort of critique than I've been seeing on here. That seems worth thinking about. Most people seem to first and foremost criticize the animation and art style.

I better go back tonight and give the show a third inspection.

[MFJayman]

I bet when Storm Shadow shows up in those upcoming Arashikage episodes there'll be a pretty big ninja fight. And the kids do love the ninjas today, don't they. Not me so much...I'd like to see Snake Eyes embracing his commando roots a little more and shoot some guns.

[General Hawk]

Could those be storyboards for upcoming episodes, maybe?

I finally watched the first two episodes, and while I'm not enormously enthused by what I watched, I definitely see enormous potential in the series already.
I think the big reason I'm not as big into the series at the moment is because it definitely feels more of "slow simmer" series compared to what we usually get for the action cartoon angle. My big concern going forward is: Will kids, used to seeing big action sequences and big characters fairly frequently, get bored waiting for the "big stuff" to happen in Renegades?

Either way, I'm open to seeing more. Animation was very nice, very polished (despite opinions on the art style, I do feel the series is pretty dang polished for an action cartoon), voices were solid all the way around, and I think, given a little time, this could easily develop into the best Joe series we've ever had (granted that isn't saying much).

I must admit I share those fears, where it comes to the kid angle. For my own purposes, I LOVE the whole "slow simmer" concept. I love seeing things build up, seeing characters evolve, and see the storyline progress, and I think that's a big reason why I'm really looking forward to watching this throughout the year.

But I do agree, I could see "short attention span" kids having issues sticking with it.

Justin

[Adamantite]

I dunno, he kind of gave off more of a Leatherneck feel to me... I was hoping someone would call him by name!

Justin


I hadn't thought of that... works even better as Leatherneck!

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8911/renegades01.jpg

[Steevy Maximus]

I must admit I share those fears, where it comes to the kid angle. For my own purposes, I LOVE the whole "slow simmer" concept. I love seeing things build up, seeing characters evolve, and see the storyline progress, and I think that's a big reason why I'm really looking forward to watching this throughout the year.

But I do agree, I could see "short attention span" kids having issues sticking with it.

Justin

Same here. Keep in mind I'm one of a few dozen that actually LIKED Beast Machines, among its many complaints was its slower pacing and longer build up to major events.
I can see a similar situation here where it may well take 6-8 episodes before things really start to pick up.

[dj7000]

Could those be storyboards for upcoming episodes, maybe?

I finally watched the first two episodes, and while I'm not enormously enthused by what I watched, I definitely see enormous potential in the series already.
I think the big reason I'm not as big into the series at the moment is because it definitely feels more of "slow simmer" series compared to what we usually get for the action cartoon angle. My big concern going forward is: Will kids, used to seeing big action sequences and big characters fairly frequently, get bored waiting for the "big stuff" to happen in Renegades?

Either way, I'm open to seeing more. Animation was very nice, very polished (despite opinions on the art style, I do feel the series is pretty dang polished for an action cartoon), voices were solid all the way around, and I think, given a little time, this could easily develop into the best Joe series we've ever had (granted that isn't saying much).

I think the key is to have bits and pieces of high action shows. Clone wars does this fairly well..one show sorta lulls ya to sleep then the next show is lots of action

[Sunbow_Joe84]

I wonder if there's going to be an episode where they find ripcords family to tell them what happened. it'd make for good drama.

[kennywr22]

I think as long as there is enough action in each it will be fine.I just hope the kids find it.

[Zefram]

My problem with RoC Ripcord was that I simply didn't like what they did with the character.

The original ARAH character was a HALO jumper and a serious soldier.

See, that's why I think he sucked as a character. You got a whole team of epic serious badasses, he's just a face in a crowd, and doesn't even look terribly distinctive next to guys like Gung Ho and Snake Eyes. His only real character development was attacking Cobra Island looking for his girlfriend, which just has its own unfortunate implications given how often the wife/girlfriend is used only as a prop to motivate the hero. I suppose it's to Hama's credit he only did it twice, but after Bongo was stuffed into the Fridge (no, not William Perry) and he came back from Springfield, he ceased to be a character or have any real personality.

[MFJayman]

I'm just...ehh...this whole Ripcord death thing just doesn't sit well with me. I mean, before this I had no feeling whatsoever about the dude, he was kind of annoying, but at the same time, he gave everyone (the Joes) someone to rag on--especially T Rat. I just can't honestly join in with the "Yay! He's dead" group. But I get what Trooper13 and others are saying. I guess it partly depends on your level of attachment to the ARAH version of the guy.

[dj7000]

I foind it hard to believe a family/kids network would allow one of the main characters to die off. but maybe that's the way kids shows are now a days.

[MFJayman]

I almost feel like it would have been kinda fun to continue being able to ridicule Ripcord in future episodes, like, "Man, did you hear what Ripcord said in that episode," or, "he did the stupidest God damn thing," or "oh man, the Joes just LEFT the dumbass in the middle of the swamp, I bet the Dreadnoks are gonna get him".

[DrKain]

when does episode 3 air?

Uh, probably tomorrow night after the third episode of Transformers Prime airs.

[takedown]

I foind it hard to believe a family/kids network would allow one of the main characters to die off. but maybe that's the way kids shows are now a days.

Yeah did you see how fast they killed off Cliffjumper in TF:P?.

My problem with the JOE ROC movie, was they just picked the coolest name, or even worse. I can see Marlon Wayons saying, "I dont like the name Alpine. Can I have this one RIPCORD, it just totally screams out for me, Alpine just seems so lame". So it ruins the chance of using the name for a proper use in the already established universe in the sequel. Why couldnt he be Payload? Everyone mistaken him for black. That would have been an awesome name for Wayons.

Tho I would totally approve of ROC II Flint being from England, even tho Im from Wichita Kansas. Because the live action movie series seems to be Action Force rather than GI JOE anyway. Action Force Flint was from Lincoln England. Would be a good counter to create friction for Duke in the next movie.

But yay, all the Joes in Renegades are "made in America".

[MFJayman]

I was really hoping to go onto Youtube and find a video of an actual kid talking about what he (or she, of course) thought of Renegades. Because what I, or most of us (assuming most of us are not technically “kids” here) thought of it is kind of beside the point, right? When I began buying some of the figures again late last year, I liked seeing how actual kids rated them.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I was really hoping to go onto Youtube and find a video of an actual kid talking about what he (or she, of course) thought of Renegades. Because what I, or most of us (assuming most of us are not technically “kids” here) thought of it is kind of beside the point, right? When I began buying some of the figures again late last year, I liked seeing how actual kids rated them.

You'll find the kids online playing halo reach/Guitar Hero/Modern Warfare, badogukan, watching clone wars, playing with thier Ipads, txting thier bffs and doing homework. None of them are bothered enough by this to even give it thier time of day, unless it was a tanker who glued them in front of the tv set to say "hey my kids watched and I made sure of it too (with a leather belt)!' lol

[Shortfuse]

it bugs cause why do they heve to change a pre-established character whent hey could just make a new one or use someone that already that particular race/gender. to many...like myself...it just seems like a lazy and quicker way to make a character and feels like no effort went into making the character and it was done simply for pc reasons.

It also seems like they're saying that the only way to make a character interesting is to make them "not white". Like the the character being white is some sort of a handicap. "Ya know....Lady Jaye would be alot cooler if she just wasn't white." In all it's subtly, it still smells of racism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've NEVER see this in reverse. In much of the remakes, and updates of popular franchises, you never see an established non-white character being changed white in the newer versions or re-imaginings to make the characters relevant or more interesting.

[RenHoek]

You'll find the kids online playing halo reach/Guitar Hero/Modern Warfare, badogukan, watching clone wars, playing with thier Ipads, txting thier bffs and doing homework. None of them are bothered enough by this to even give it thier time of day, unless it was a tanker who glued them in front of the tv set to say "hey my kids watched and I made sure of it too (with a leather belt)!' lol

I'm sure there are plenty of examples who'd prove you wrong.

[MFJayman]

You'll find the kids online playing halo reach/Guitar Hero/Modern Warfare, badogukan, watching clone wars, playing with thier Ipads, txting thier bffs and doing homework. None of them are bothered enough by this to even give it thier time of day, unless it was a tanker who glued them in front of the tv set to say "hey my kids watched and I made sure of it too (with a leather belt)!' lol


Yeah...*sigh*. You cut right to the core, don't you.

It is quite a burden for us, to be saddled with a liking for this franchise, and the desire to see it go on, isn't it? Ahhggggh!

[Trooper13]

See, that's why I think he sucked as a character. You got a whole team of epic serious badasses, he's just a face in a crowd, and doesn't even look terribly distinctive next to guys like Gung Ho and Snake Eyes. His only real character development was attacking Cobra Island looking for his girlfriend, which just has its own unfortunate implications given how often the wife/girlfriend is used only as a prop to motivate the hero. I suppose it's to Hama's credit he only did it twice, but after Bongo was stuffed into the Fridge (no, not William Perry) and he came back from Springfield, he ceased to be a character or have any real personality.

See, I didn't watch the Sunbow series very regularly, but what I saw of him in that I really liked. That episode where he jumps through the hologram mountain to me was a big moment. He was the one that pieced together what happened with Shipwreck and the reporter, he risked his life on a hunch jumping, and snuck in and destroyed the Cobra base from within. That is a cool character, plus he was a great figure for his time.

As far as not standing out next to SE and Gung Ho, seriously?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e36/reddone88/SE-BoyGeorge.jpg

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_1109.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080726105953/gijoe/images/thumb/1/16/RAH_Gungho01.jpg/150px-RAH_Gungho01.jpg

Let's see, a mute ninja who dresses like the lead singer of Culture Club, a muscle bound cajun who dresses like a member of The Village People, and a guy who dresses like an Army HALO jumper. I guess you're right. He really doesn't stand OUT, but he's definitely the winner in this fashion show. ;)

[kneroh]

Yeah...*sigh*. You cut right to the core, don't you.

It is quite a burden for us, to be saddled with a liking for this franchise, and the desire to see it go on, isn't it? Ahhggggh!

I see hasn't taken you too long to get to know some of the members. :D

[General Hawk]

As far as not standing out next to SE and Gung Ho, seriously?

Let's see, a mute ninja who dresses like the lead singer of Culture Club, a muscle bound cajun who dresses like a member of The Village People, and a guy who dresses like an Army HALO jumper. I guess you're right. He really doesn't stand OUT, but he's definitely the winner in this fashion show. ;)

I think you kind of proved his point for him. I think what he was saying was next to very distinctive looking characters like Gung Ho and Snake Eyes, a guy in plain camouflage just looks sorta boring.

I actually agree.

In fact, I clearly remember an issue of the early Marvel comics where Spirit, Ripcord, and Blowtorch were walking through a shopping mall. Spirit was in his combat uniform, but Ripcord and Blowtorch were both in their dress uniforms, and you couldn't tell who was who.

That being said, I LOVED Ripcord in the Marvel comics. Absolutely loved him. But I'm a diehard G.I. Joe fan. The issue with Ripcord and how he can be changed so easily is that the general public DOESN'T know or identify with him, so using him in the Wayans role was no big stretch.

There were actually some reasons for the Ripcord name to be attached to Marlon Wayans, and believe it or not, fan input was involved, things just got a little lost in translation.

Justin

[Trooper13]

I think you kind of proved his point for him. I think what he was saying was next to very distinctive looking characters like Gung Ho and Snake Eyes, a guy in plain camouflage just looks sorta boring.

I actually agree.

In fact, I clearly remember an issue of the early Marvel comics where Spirit, Ripcord, and Blowtorch were walking through a shopping mall. Spirit was in his combat uniform, but Ripcord and Blowtorch were both in their dress uniforms, and you couldn't tell who was who.

That being said, I LOVED Ripcord in the Marvel comics. Absolutely loved him. But I'm a diehard G.I. Joe fan. The issue with Ripcord and how he can be changed so easily is that the general public DOESN'T know or identify with him, so using him in the Wayans role was no big stretch.

There were actually some reasons for the Ripcord name to be attached to Marlon Wayans, and believe it or not, fan input was involved, things just got a little lost in translation.

Justin

I know, I was having fun with it. What I liked about Ripcord was that he was much more like a real soldier then the other Joes, who looked like D-list superheroes or sideshow freaks.

[General Hawk]

I know, I was having fun with it. What I liked about Ripcord was that he was much more like a real soldier then the other Joes, who looked like D-list superheroes or sideshow freaks.

No argument there. One of my favorite arcs of G.I. Joe was during the second rescue of Dr. Burkhardt where Stalker, Ripcord, Recondo, Roadblock, and Gung Ho all went into the South American jungle. It was awesome to have a group of purely military soldiers (Gung Ho aside, I suppose) on an operation together...

Justin