Renegades Premiere Discussion Thread

[CrimsonGuard101]

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/520/cobrarenegadesfixedbylr.jpg


This is prety much what he looked like...horrid I know...I'd ake ROC CC back over this dweeb...

[D00MTR0N]

where is that pic from?

[kneroh]

where is that pic from?

It's one of many Renegades tattoos that CG101 has.

[D00MTR0N]

seriously where is it from?

[CrimsonGuard101]

seriously where is it from?

Shockwave got it from deviantart

[Snake Shadow09]

any links yet?

[D00MTR0N]

Shockwave got it from deviantart
sweet,thanks

[Rikus20]

the animation style reminds me of the Last Air bender.

[Snake Shadow09]

has ss been seen yet?

[D00MTR0N]

now,how to make a custom of this half face/shield cc?any ideas?

[Zefram]

You;d think after awhile Snake eyes would good tired of sheathing and unsheathing his sword. Cuttin him to pieces the first 5 times didnt work.

I don't know why this is such a common complaint. If you were faced with a seemingly unstoppable killing machine, I'd think you'd want to do whatever you could to at least slow it the fuck down until you could think of something better, which is exactly what they did do.

[CrimsonGuard101]

now,how to make a custom of this half face/shield cc?any ideas?

Take the head from the Resolute CC cut it like Vannilla Ice's hair like so / and then do the opposite to ROC Bald Doctor head and glue em togteher.

[D00MTR0N]

Take the head from the Resolute CC cut it like Vannilla Ice's hair like so / and then do the opposite to ROC Bald Doctor head and glue em togteher.
that actually sounds like a plan,too bad my skills suck

[Zefram]

now,how to make a custom of this half face/shield cc?any ideas?

I'd just wait until 2011, but it's possible, depending on just how good you are with the tools. You could take a resolute (non-chrome) head and either use a multi-speed dremel (the single speed ones won't give you anywhere near the control) or heat-knife to slice a quarter section of the head away, then take a Doctor Rex head, slice 3/4 of that away, then put them together.

If you sliced into the ball chamber of the Res CC head then you might have to fill and re-dremel it.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Oh and use Resolute Destro's body. That would be the closest you could get without really heavy body work

[Barefoot Jedi]

Perhaps Wraith's faceplate modified somehow?

[D00MTR0N]

yeah i agree with the resolute destro body but i dont have the proper tools that zefram suggested

[dj7000]

I don't know why this is such a common complaint. If you were faced with a seemingly unstoppable killing machine, I'd think you'd want to do whatever you could to at least slow it the fuck down until you could think of something better, which is exactly what they did do.
Let's see, he walks away for the umpteenth time after doing the same thing over and over again acting as if to say, "well I slowed him down now, it's all over." Common sense would say I slowed him down the same way i did before and it didnt work, maybe I should keep this sword out and not walk away like I've saved the day seeing as how he's probably gonna reform himself in about two seconds..."OH! Well, there he is...let me waste time taking my sword out again since I didn't learn the first hundred or so times I did it." He probably coulda slowed him down better giving him a ball of yarn to play with. Gaaah!

[Zefram]

yeah i agree with the resolute destro body but i dont have the proper tools that zefram suggested

There's a cheaper way if you have nothing to do for a weekend. You can just use a sheet of medium sandpaper, a gentle hand, and a lot of freakin' time.

I once sculpted an entire new wrist peg out of a solid piece of scrap plastic with just sandpaper.

[Snake Shadow09]

can someone please awnser my fricken questions!

[Zefram]

Let's see, he walks away for the umpteenth time after doing the same thing over and over again acting as if to say, "well I slowed him down now, it's all over." Common sense would say I slowed him down the same way i did before and it didnt work, maybe I should keep this sword out and not walk away like I've saved the day seeing as how he's probably gonna reform himself in about two seconds..."OH! Well, there he is...let me waste time taking my sword out again since I didn't learn the first hundred or so times I did it." gaaah

First off; it was like three times in two episodes, and second, he can draw his swords in a tenth of a second, so how much time did he really waste?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Let's see, he walks away for the umpteenth time after doing the same thing over and over again acting as if to say, "well I slowed him down now, it's all over." Common sense would say I slowed him down the same way i did before and it didnt work, maybe I should keep this sword out and not walk away like I've saved the day seeing as how he's probably gonna reform himself in about two seconds..."OH! Well, there he is...let me waste time taking my sword out again since I didn't learn the first hundred or so times I did it." He probably coulda slowed him down better giving him a ball of yarn to play with. Gaaah!

Oh but they have unlimited lives, continues and ammunition even though they are on the run, totally out gunned and out numbered and the lame police are chasing them with Flint at the lead and they will never get them just like the A-team....

Not to mention ripcord must have the most powerful kick in thier universe and now hes dead so no one can stomp on the bio-vipers tentacles to free anyone else! Since apprantly shooting them and slicing them with fantastical ninja blades of the arishikage have no effect...

[CrimsonGuard101]

can someone please awnser my fricken questions!

try this...

Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/)

[Zefram]

can someone please awnser my fricken questions!

SS hasn't shown up. Like IDW they're taking their time (just not so damn much of it). Expect SS in the next few eps.

[kneroh]

can someone please awnser my fricken questions!

Relax man. If you were that desperate for the link you could have read the 3 pages before you posted.

here ya go
YouTube - gi joe renegades part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gi+joe+renegades+part+1&aq=f)

You'll find part 1 a few videos down.

[dustycarlisle]

Relax man. If you were that desperate for the link you could have read the 3 pages before you posted.



What is this madness you speak of?

I liked Renegades....but im a GI Joe whore...ill watch almost anything.

[dj7000]

First off; it was like three times in two episodes, and second, he can draw his swords in a tenth of a second, so how much time did he really waste?


Well, Why the hell is he puttin it away to begin with? He knows they're comin back again!

[kneroh]

What is this madness you speak of?

I liked Renegades....but im a GI Joe whore...ill watch almost anything.

I'm watching the 90's live action commercials right now. They are by far the definitive incarnation of GI Joe.

Screw Renegades. This is GI Joe!
YouTube - 1992 GI Joe Toy Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSlG4bdgZX8)

[Snake Shadow09]

SS hasn't shown up. Like IDW they're taking their time (just not so damn much of it). Expect SS in the next few eps.

Relax man. If you were that desperate for the link you could have read the 3 pages before you posted.

here ya go
YouTube - gi joe renegades part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gi+joe+renegades+part+1&aq=f)

You'll find part 1 a few videos down.

thanks bra.

[Shin Densetsu]

I'm watching the 90's live action commercials right now. They are by far the definitive incarnation of GI Joe.

Screw Renegades. This is GI Joe!
YouTube - 1992 GI Joe Toy Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSlG4bdgZX8)

THAT is how a GI Joe movie SHOULD be LOL. Man that was one of the best commercials from back then...better than that Transformers G2 commercial with the Aerialbots with some dude rapping(don't link it...please...srsly)

Hmm. Admittedly the episodes I'm looking forward to most are the Return Of The Arashikage ones.

[kneroh]

THAT is how a GI Joe movie SHOULD be LOL. Man that was one of the best commercials from back then...better than that Transformers G2 commercial with the Aerialbots with some dude rapping(don't link it...please...srsly)

Hmm. Admittedly the episodes I'm looking forward to most are the Return Of The Arashikage ones.

I won't link it but I so need to find it!

[Python_Puckman]

Renegades is looking really good. SE is uber awesome as expected. Overall, an interesting take and I'm excited to see it progress.

Only a few bones to pick, and I'm sure they have already been mentioned in the 77 previous pages...

* Can't stand the annoying new Mindbender. Unfortunately, I'm sure we will be seeing him a lot

* Good thing Ripcord was around to hand out nicknames for everyone. WTF? Was that really necessary?

* Bio Vipers... Don't know what to think of these yet. Just hoping they don't become regular characters, like some Jello version of BATS or something.

All in all, had to give it "just good". Definitely better than most cartoons out right now at least, and way too early to give it a "great".

[Python_Puckman]

I'm watching the 90's live action commercials right now. They are by far the definitive incarnation of GI Joe.

Screw Renegades. This is GI Joe!
YouTube - 1992 GI Joe Toy Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSlG4bdgZX8)

This is what I was hoping ROC was going to be like

[Zefram]

Well, Why the hell is he puttin it away to begin with? He knows they're comin back again!

I could go into a long an intricate dissertation on the evolution of Japanese kenjutsu and how most attacks are designed to be from the default position in the sheath, or how he might want his hands free for something else in the meantime, but the correct answer is, "Who the fuck even cares?"

You'll find questionable shit in any movie or TV series, live action or animated. If you applied that level of scrutiny to anything on TV then you's be pretty damn miserable watching anything.

At some point it just looks like you're looking for an excuse to find fault with the series.

[Zefram]

* Bio Vipers... Don't know what to think of these yet. Just hoping they don't become regular characters, like some Jello version of BATS or something.

I doubt it. I and I suspect a lot of people thought that they would just be some disposable cannon fodder to kill without actually showing human troopers getting wasted, but just one of them was able to give the whole team a major fight.

Also, remember what Mindbender said about it being a "Beta". In all likelihood if we see another one (or more) it'll be even harder to deal with unless the Joes get some specialized weaponry (yes! Eco-Warriors!).

[dj7000]

I could go into a long an intricate dissertation on the evolution of Japanese kenjutsu and how most attacks are designed to be from the default position in the sheath, or how he might want his hands free for something else in the meantime, but the correct answer is, "Who the fuck even cares?"

You'll find questionable shit in any movie or TV series, live action or animated. If you applied that level of scrutiny to anything on TV then you's be pretty damn miserable watching anything.

At some point it just looks like you're looking for an excuse to find fault with the series.

If he was in such a rush to do something else with his hand, then why the hell is he just gradually walking away. I mean seriously, a little common sense in the show woulda helped.

I Posted good and bad point on the series. YOU chose to come in and make an issue of something I had an issue with. Regardless if it's part of a fighting style or not, I thought it was unecessary, is that ok with you or do I have to agree with what you say? I didnt realize there was a Renegades police on this board to make sure everyone says something positive about Renegades.

[Zefram]

I didnt realize there was a Renegades police on this board to make sure everyone says something positive about Renegades.

Here we go. Can't defend half-assed nit-picking so you need to resort to name-calling. Typical RoC BS all over again.

[Echo7Solo]

Hmm. Admittedly the episodes I'm looking forward to most are the Return Of The Arashikage ones.

you know, for the first time in a long time I'm kind of looking forward to seeing this too. First off I think there have been way too many ninjas in GI Joe for a long time now. I also think the constant changing of Storm Shadow had done nothing but confused and split a lot of the fans. I do think it will be done in a better way than Resolute.

[dustycarlisle]

you know, for the first time in a long time I'm kind of looking forward to seeing this too. First off I think there have been way too many ninjas in GI Joe for a long time now. I also think the constant changing of Storm Shadow had done nothing but confused and split a lot of the fans. I do think it will be done in a better way than Resolute.

I am also.I didnt like Resolute SS.....I thought he was too angry.Maybe he needed a hug.

[Zefram]

I do think it will be done in a better way than Resolute.

Couldn't be done much worse, SS was just a prick in that one. Even in S6 he and SE were done pretty well. I'm hoping for at least that level of quality, but I imagine it will be even better than that. Going by the anime influence, I imagine the director and animators are going to have a lot of fun with SS and SE.

BTW, how sick was it when SE answered Duke's question by holding up the mini-TV at just the right moment? :D

[DrKain]

While I like the new Avengers show the art really isn't very good. The stories are alright, but they could be alot better. Atleast they are much better then the crap Marvel put out in the late 90's early 00's.

What new Avengers show?

No, I'm not. I'm not a fan of the style of the art, or the storytelling. I'm not going to say it "SUXX" or "It's CRAAAPPP", because it's not. They are aiming for a specific feel, and their team is hitting all the points well.

You do not like the art style, but you like the art style of Renegades? How is that even possible.

Honestly, It reminds me of late 70's DC and I HATED 70's DC. It was very cheesy in terms of looks and content. It's definitely written for the kids who are coming up behind the generation that loved The Batman. Those kids are now watching the mini-DC movies that are more mature in nature. It's just not vibing with me.

1. Watch the episode "Chill of the Night" and say that. Not to mention the current season has killed off like 9 heroes within the last 6 episodes.
2. You must be talking about the early 60s, which is when the Adam West garbage existed. The 70s were the best era of Batman, as that is when you had Denny O'Neil, Neal Adams, and Dick Giordano were doing Batman, which is by far the greatest stories of Batman's career. Only a few since have come close to being as good as their stories.

[Trooper13]

What new Avengers show?

Earth's Mightiest Heroes on DisneyXD

[MAJOR BLOOD]

Finally saw it and I'll say it's average for me. I'm not a fan of the animation at all. Seems to "gundam" to me. The story is pretty interesting but the rivalry between Flint and Duke will bring some pretty bad dialogue I'm thinking.

Cobra Commanders voice is the best part of it and I hope that we get more of him. It almost seemed that there is a little animosity between "my balls need to drop" mindbender and Baroness. Like when she wanted to blow all of them up and he mentioned he'd tell the Commander about it. I doubt she dug that.

Her character was pretty good I thought. Still too early to tell if it will be something to look forward to each week but I am interested to see how they do the story since this is supposed to be Cobra's beginnings. I'll entertain it but since I don't have the channel it will be tough.

Like I've seen mentioned before, it does have an A team feel to it. At least the premise of what the story is about. Better animation would have bumped it up a bit for me but with this series all I can care about is the story. Bio vipers are not going away too soon I'm thinking. They at least figured how to beat them but they will be back most likely. Gives it a bit of a fantasy take but that is what GI Joe is about.

If the Bio viper stays I could see the orange volcano viper making an appearance. Just sayin'. Gotta' have something to contain them just in case.

[DrKain]

Earth's Mightiest Heroes on DisneyXD

Never even heard of it. Did they advertise it? Is it as bad as Wolverine and the X-Men?

[Zefram]

At least 12 people here are secretly working for Mattel. >_>

[Gatchaman]

Oh but they have unlimited lives, continues and ammunition even though they are on the run, totally out gunned and out numbered and the lame police are chasing them with Flint at the lead and they will never get them just like the A-team....

Not to mention ripcord must have the most powerful kick in thier universe and now hes dead so no one can stomp on the bio-vipers tentacles to free anyone else! Since apprantly shooting them and slicing them with fantastical ninja blades of the arishikage have no effect...

Dude, it’s just a kids cartoon. It’s not a blockbuster film with a 100 million dollar budget. It’s not going to be perfect.

[kneroh]

At least 12 people here are secretly working for Mattel. >_>

They might be but they'll never matTELL!

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

[DrKain]

At least 12 people here are secretly working for Mattel. >_>

How so?

[Gatchaman]

They might be but they'll never matTELL!

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.


Oh God...that was just awful. ;)

[Zefram]

I'm watching it again on Youtube and a lot of little detals I missed the first time around are jumping out at me. The camera slightly jitters. It's not major, or obvious, but I just noticed it when the team and Scarlet are aboard the helicopter near the beginning. It jitters as the copter takes off, and keeps moving very slightly as they have the conversation.

It's a really cheap effect and easy to overuse, but when done right it can lend a bit of realism to a scene.

These guys didn't have a huge animation budget, but I get the feeling they really know how to make the most of it.

[kneroh]

Oh God...that was just awful. ;)

Fine. I'll just http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMTEQO6yqi7NTut8aKmuzzACG2HCrRb XKSusrRojSxNmdCBFn6

[Sho Nuff]

Fine. I'll just http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSMTEQO6yqi7NTut8aKmuzzACG2HCrRb XKSusrRojSxNmdCBFn6

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/167597-2/Haters_midget.gif

[xSwamiJayx]

First off I think there have been way too many ninjas in GI Joe for a long time now.

YOU. SHUT. YOUR. MOUTH.

YouTube - Punch-Drunk Love - Shut Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4KrxQSGd3E&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Warning: some f bombs in that thar video.

[Snake Shadow09]

you know, for the first time in a long time I'm kind of looking forward to seeing this too. First off I think there have been way too many ninjas in GI Joe for a long time now. I also think the constant changing of Storm Shadow had done nothing but confused and split a lot of the fans. I do think it will be done in a better way than Resolute.

as ss biggest fan im with you all the way on this.

[xSwamiJayx]

Oh God...that was just awful. ;)

You think that was bad, Then try the veal!

[CrimsonGuard101]

Dude, it’s just a kids cartoon. It’s not a blockbuster film with a 100 million dollar budget. It’s not going to be perfect.

For realz?

[Zefram]

BTW, spotted a slight continuity goof in the animation. When Scarlet gets hit she's wearing her coat, but when they bring her behind cover she's in her combat gear. It looks like she was wearing the vest underneath though in earlier shots, so there might be a "checking to make sure she's alive - it's okay, it looks like the vest took most of it" scene that got cut for time.

[xSwamiJayx]

For realz?

YouTube - Punch-Drunk Love - Shut Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4KrxQSGd3E&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Again, warning: F bomb awaits you!

[Zefram]

I'm surprised nobody's made a pic based on Cobra's "tasty apple pie". It might just be KMR's delivery, but that was a funny line. :D

[Nirvana]

The show lacks B.A.T.S. It's not cool until they add B.A.T.S.

[Zefram]

Lip-synch seems off, but I've seen that on You-tube uploads before.

[Trooper13]

You do not like the art style, but you like the art style of Renegades? How is that even possible.

No offense, man, but you're 28. I'm 36. The art in this show looks EXACTLY like the art in a set of batman colorforms I had when I was 5 in the late 70's. While the animation in BatB definitely has a bigger budget and is smoother then Renegades, it looks clownshoes to me and it always will. It will always remind me of the crap that was being put out back then. Wether that's fair, or not isn't the point, it's how I feel. Renegades atleast feels modern, and artistically relevant.



1. Watch the episode "Chill of the Night" and say that. Not to mention the current season has killed off like 9 heroes within the last 6 episodes.


I watched an episode that SnakeEyes linked for me called "Knights of Tomorrow". I get that you like this, but compared to "The Batman" from a few years ago this doesn't stack up in terms of art, or storytelling. Also, killing people off doesn't make for good, or deep storytelling. Character growth, and well developed supporting characters do. Blue Beetle is the only character I've seen develop at all in the episodes I've watched when my kids rarely have it on. The rest of the characters might as well BE colorforms for all the personality they have.


2. You must be talking about the early 60s, which is when the Adam West garbage existed. The 70s were the best era of Batman, as that is when you had Denny O'Neil, Neal Adams, and Dick Giordano were doing Batman, which is by far the greatest stories of Batman's career. Only a few since have come close to being as good as their stories.

While they started the journey to get Batman back to where he should be. For me, Batman never really worked until "Year One". That, to me, is what really put him back in the game. While this was definitely better then the early 60's, it really wasn't very good...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/12888-796-14459-1-batman_super.jpg

Personally, the Batbooks really hit their best, for me, in terms of story and art in the early to mid 2000's.

[Nirvana]

The show lacks B.A.T.S. It's not cool until they add B.A.T.S.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6933/kludd.jpg

[xSwamiJayx]

Lip-synch seems off, but I've seen that on You-tube uploads before.

Your lip-synch seems off, but I've seen that in the IG thread before. Cuz y'all r mean!

[Nirvana]

Your lip-synch seems off, but I've seen that in the IG thread before. Cuz y'all r mean!

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3921/620880reedrichards1supe.jpg

[xSwamiJayx]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3921/620880reedrichards1supe.jpg

Insert frowny face

[kneroh]

Insert frowny face

In Reed's defense she did almost use the Ultimate Nullifier as a curling iron.

[Nirvana]

Insert frowny face

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1093/favruhsm0.jpg

[xSwamiJayx]

In Reed's defense she did almost use the Ultimate Nullifier as a curling iron.

IDIOT.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1093/favruhsm0.jpg

Not frowny enough.

[Zefram]

Personally, the Batbooks really hit their best, for me, in terms of story and art in the early to mid 2000's.

Jesus, you want deep character growth and storytelling and then list Frank "Whoreswhoreswhores!!!" Miller as the point at which it turned around?

If you ask me you're looking for Alan Moore and The Killing Joke as a good example. Hell, I think Watchmen is when comics in general did a complete 180 (for better or worse).

[Nirvana]

Not frowny enough.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1336/joker2yg7.jpg

[Gatchaman]

For realz?


For realz!

LOL

[Zefram]

Not frowny enough.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Fail/JokerShenanigans.png

[Trooper13]

Jesus, you want deep character growth and storytelling and then list Frank "Whoreswhoreswhores!!!" Miller as the point at which it turned around?

If you ask me you're looking for Alan Moore and The Killing Joke as a good example. Hell, I think Watchmen is when comics in general did a complete 180 (for better or worse).

I list "Year One" as a point in terms of when Batman turned around for me as something I could read, and closer to what the character should be. Moore's work, imo, was definitely superior, however it built off what Miller started. Miller was the point where the cheesiness stopped for the most part. Like I said, there was a period when, imo, DC was just totally on the money in the beginning of this millenium. The Batbooks especially.

[CrimsonGuard101]

For realz! LOL

to quote the great vanilla ice "wurd to ya mutha"

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/crimsonguard101-albums-tempus-picture38133-vanilla.jpg

[vadersquest]

Get back on track people.

[Nirvana]

to quote the great vanilla ice "wurd to ya mutha"

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/crimsonguard101-albums-tempus-picture38133-vanilla.jpg

YouTube - DJ Hero - Vanilla Ice Ice Ice Baby vs MC Hammer U Can't Touch This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOL0dSUmXoI)

[Zefram]

Love how after the building blows SE stays behind and just casually backs up into the smoke as the Cobra agents start mobilizing.

[xSwamiJayx]

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1336/joker2yg7.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Fail/JokerShenanigans.png

to quote the great vanilla ice "wurd to ya mutha"

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/crimsonguard101-albums-tempus-picture38133-vanilla.jpg

Amazing! Three Jokers on one page.

I liked Renegades a lot.

[kneroh]

Amazing! Three Jokers on one page.

I liked Renegades a lot.

3 joker's means you win!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Joker_Joker_Joker.jpg

[xSwamiJayx]

Love how after the building blows SE stays behind and just casually backs up into the smoke as the Cobra agents start mobilizing.

Yes! That was awesome. After I got the footlocker set and digging through that, I was like, "Why do I like SE so much? HE got beat up by a teenage girl!?"

This is a totally awesome SE. Love it.

[Nirvana]

I liked Renegades a lot.

The vehicles are s w e e e t !

[xSwamiJayx]

The vehicles are s w e e e t !

So's your mom.

Wait. Is that off topic? Damn!

So's Lady Jaye. Boom. On topic.

[Barefoot Jedi]

I was rather amused by the part where Snake Eyes knocks out the COBRA guard and there's no movement that we see, he just stands there and the guard falls down. I liked that, yes. Very much so.

[Gyre-Viper]

almost 84 pages.
not bad for a thread that I asked to be closed that
began as a thread about a potential
thread, and became a thread based on the potential
thread put forth in the original thread.

[Nirvana]

So's your mom.

Wait. Is that off topic? Damn!


http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6352/jokerfatality.gif

So's Lady Jaye. Boom. On topic.

The show needs more girls. Scarlett can't please them all.

[CrimsonGuard101]

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6352/jokerfatality.gif



The show needs more girls. Scarlett can't please them all.

There's the Baroness and her sister Mindbender...and don't forget her niece storm shadow!

[Zefram]

almost 84 pages.
not bad for a thread that I asked to be closed that
began as a thread about a potential
thread, and became a thread based on the potential
thread put forth in the original thread.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/WTF/lolwut.jpg

[xSwamiJayx]

[img]http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6352/jokerfatality.gif

Oh, that's cute, he did the fake gun thi-wait, what-OH MY GOD HE SHOT HER IN THE FACE! In. The. Face.


The show needs more girls. Scarlett can't please them all.

that's not what I heard...

[Barefoot Jedi]

almost 84 pages.
not bad for a thread that I asked to be closed that
began as a thread about a potential
thread, and became a thread based on the potential
thread put forth in the original thread.

That's not a thread.

It's a promise.

[Zefram]

Baroness: You're fired.

Man, Trump ain't got nothin' on this chica. :D

[Woo-Dig-It]

I've just read the first page of this 85 page thread and it's already bloodier than the last Rambo movie! :)

[Barefoot Jedi]

I've just read the first page of this 85 page thread and it's already bloodier than the last Rambo movie! :)

Welcome to the forums.

One big happy dysfunctional family!

I put the unction in dysfunction, myself.

[Burning Saber]

I just caught the first two episodes on youtube and I gotta say it shows potential. I like what they're doing with the Baroness, Snake Eyes and Cobra Comander, Tunnel Rat is looking to be a pretty cool character (which is a surprise cause I thought he was going to suck) and I've got to say that for the first time, I actually like Lady Jaye. Not sure I like Flint being a dick, but I hope he knows more then what he's letting on and is just letting everything play itself out. The new Minbender is an interesting change that I'm kind of digging. He's just kooky enough to be interesting, but I'm still not sure how I feel about the Bio Vipers.

Overall, I thought the first story was really weak, and the "origin" of their codenames makes me want to slice my wrists. But, now that its out of the way I can move on. I can forsee some big twists and turns throughout the season and hopefully the series can move on from the A-team angle into something really cool. I love the whole benevolent Cobra Industries angle, should be fun to see it play out.

Oh, and when Hasbro releases the first Renegades based figures next year, it MUST, MUST include those security troopers. As soon as I saw those guys show up, I wanted to army build the shit out of them.

[Zefram]

I've just read the first page of this 85 page thread and it's already bloodier than the last Rambo movie! :)

You shoulda seen the RoC threads. This thread has been shockingly civilized compared to that. Might actually be a good sign for the series if they could change things so much and still have so many of the older fans on board.

[Zefram]

Is it me or do the guys doing cleanup at the burning Cobra Pharma look a bit like blue Volcano Vipers?

Now that's a repaint I wouldn't mind seeing.

[knoxvelour]

Watched both episodes on youtube and so far, I like it. Not a huge fan of some of the character design (Duke, Roadblock), but then some designs I love (Baroness, Mindbender, Cobra Guards).

I don't think they hit it out of the park, but what I've seen so far will bring me back for future episodes to see where this goes.

They don't have a problem killing people, like the military guy driving the truck. And did Snake Eyes really slice up some Cobras or did I just imagine that?

I'm looking forward to see what favorite characters pop up in future episodes. It's a good start with a lot of potential.

[Zefram]

And did Snake Eyes really slice up some Cobras or did I just imagine that?

I think they deliberately left it open to interpretation just for that reason. Again, think they're doing an amazing job working within TV budget and content restrictions with this and Transformers Prime.

[Barefoot Jedi]

I just caught the first two episodes on youtube and I gotta say it shows potential. I like what they're doing with the Baroness, Snake Eyes and Cobra Comander, Tunnel Rat is looking to be a pretty cool character (which is a surprise cause I thought he was going to suck) and I've got to say that for the first time, I actually like Lady Jaye. Not sure I like Flint being a dick, but I hope he knows more then what he's letting on and is just letting everything play itself out. The new Minbender is an interesting change that I'm kind of digging. He's just kooky enough to be interesting, but I'm still not sure how I feel about the Bio Vipers.

Overall, I thought the first story was really weak, and the "origin" of their codenames makes me want to slice my wrists. But, now that its out of the way I can move on. I can forsee some big twists and turns throughout the season and hopefully the series can move on from the A-team angle into something really cool. I love the whole benevolent Cobra Industries angle, should be fun to see it play out.

Oh, and when Hasbro releases the first Renegades based figures next year, it MUST, MUST include those security troopers. As soon as I saw those guys show up, I wanted to army build the shit out of them.

I'm eager to see what Hasbro does with Renegades product.

You shoulda seen the RoC threads. This thread has been shockingly civilized compared to that. Might actually be a good sign for the series if they could change things so much and still have so many of the older fans on board.

I avoided the ROC threads kind of like I avoided ROC itself after seeing it. I like this interpretation of the property much better.

Is it me or do the guys doing cleanup at the burning Cobra Pharma look a bit like blue Volcano Vipers?

Now that's a repaint I wouldn't mind seeing.

I thought that, too.

Watched both episodes on youtube and so far, I like it. Not a huge fan of some of the character design (Duke, Roadblock), but then some designs I love (Baroness, Mindbender, Cobra Guards).

I don't think they hit it out of the park, but what I've seen so far will bring me back for future episodes to see where this goes.

They don't have a problem killing people, like the military guy driving the truck. And did Snake Eyes really slice up some Cobras or did I just imagine that?

I'm looking forward to see what favorite characters pop up in future episodes. It's a good start with a lot of potential.

It's way early but I like what I see so far. Storm Shadow and Destro haven't even entered the story yet. I admit I'm easy to please as the Joe fanboys go but still. I feel so much better about the property and the direction it's taken.

[knoxvelour]

oh, and the voice cast has been pretty awesome. Not one complaint from me there

[SH0CKWAVE]

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/633/birdpoopingonkidpew9156.jpg

[Adamantite]

The animation was indeed choppier than i would have liked, but that is strictly a budget limitation. I'm sure it will get better if the show does well. I wonder what the ratio of keyframes to inbetweens used was.

[Tuskegee Joe]

GENERAL HAWK IN “STANDARD” UNIFORM = GREAT FIGURE / ARMY-BUILDER!!!

I can hardly wait for thee body (mold) that’ll truly & finally help “army-build” the Joe team. Imagine lines upon lines of Joe action figures in standard uniform, each topped with his or her own unique character head. My mind is boggling at the single card possibilities (e.g. outfitting almost all ARAH Joes in standard uniform, a comic General Flagg for the 30th anniversary, and 50th anniversary 4-inch figures of Joe's many 12-inch dolls = Action Team's Air Force Officers in Standard Uniform, Salute to Navy Chiefs in Standard Uniforms, etc.). Writers & artists can so easily pen such scenes with any Joe in standard uniform.

Indeed these “every-day” uniforms allow for many more scenes, beyond the battlefield. Fine example, that social setting with Baroness in bareback dress greeting General Hawk also dressed for the occasion; standard uniform. So from parties, parades, funeral processions, silent drill performances, weddings, celebrations, induction ceremonies, retirement ceremonies, award banquets, formal balls, to the many events calling for full military honors; these are all scenes populated with people decked-out in standard uniform. All of which creates many more spaces for the writers & artists to creatively explore.

I hope Hasbro’s artists also put time and attention to crafting this important “standard” figure. Decorations on 1st year Cadets do differ in size + scope from Generals stacked with ribbons and medals earned through decades of service. Maybe these figures should have different-sized stickers for ribbons, just like Gung Ho’s "Dress Blues" action figure from "87. For decorations such as Marksmanship badges, pilot wings, and so forth; maybe get a 3-D scan of real-life badges to make sharply-sculpted decorations to super-glue on chests (like those small knives + small grenades super-glued on POC vests). Real-life uniform buttons are also “sculptural masterpieces” artfully evoking each military branch (although Hasbro sculptors need not get that detailed)! But hey, if you can easily 3D-scan the standard uniform's "sculptural buttons," go for it. In conclusion, this may seem like a small request yet I kindly ask \the toon & toy teams to put a little extra effort using “standard” uniforms. Its really giving the toon a realitic military feel. It saves toy designers from coming up with "over-the-top" new figures, gives toon artists & writers scenes beyond battlefields, and give fans the long-awaited standard uniformed navy/airforce/marine/army-builders we've all been waiting for...

[Adamantite]

Is it me or do the guys doing cleanup at the burning Cobra Pharma look a bit like blue Volcano Vipers?

Now that's a repaint I wouldn't mind seeing.


Definitely, we're in for a blue volcano viper.

I hope they don't make those cobra troopers and the greenshirts share the same molds.

[RenHoek]

Am I the only one who noticed that when the Cobra building blew up, a bunch of half-naked men popped out of a closet? Seriously? And I refuse to believe those were the guards from earlier. SE obviously stabbed them to death. Except for the last one. I think he gave that one a heart attack.

[JR0d28]

Pluses
Grittier and better
Was not "too anime" like resolute.
Got into action 1st minute of show.
Snake Eyes need I say more!
Tunnel Rat more of a smart-ass than resolute.
Making them fugitives a-la A Team and Expendables-not all squeaky clean personas!

Minuses
Scarlett a bit plain compared to both arah and resolute.
Baroness seems bland as well and she cut her black beautiful hair why?
Mindbender reminded me of a psycho doogie howser-thanks hub,
Roadblock w/ Elvis sideburns?
Televipers as ground troops?
New mutant snake soliders-shades of Cobra-La?
General Hawk, the voice of Lee Majors. If it were me I would have drawn him almost like Colt Seavers or Steve Austin: why does he look like Sagat from Street Fighter??!!

[RandomViper117]

Am I the only one who noticed that when the Cobra building blew up, a bunch of half-naked men popped out of a closet?

"What happens in Cobra, stays in Cobra"

[TU482]

Just finished watching the episodes (I had a very hectic weekend). While I dislike the premise and the animation, those were not enough to ruin the show for me, when I simply remembered that it is a cartoon aimed at children. There was plenty of action, and some of the dialogue was quite good.
The only real problem I have is that an evil terrorist group would have a front company named "Cobra," and the general public accepts this. I don't think that any real-world focus group would approve of the name Cobra. Just my honest opinion.

[Zefram]

Just finished watching the episodes (I had a very hectic weekend). While I dislike the premise and the animation, those were not enough to ruin the show for me, when I simply remembered that it is a cartoon aimed at children. There was plenty of action, and some of the dialogue was quite good.
The only real problem I have is that an evil terrorist group would have a front company named "Cobra," and the general public accepts this. I don't think that any real-world focus group would approve of the name Cobra. Just my honest opinion.

And one I'd actually kinda agree with except...

COBRA Insurance .com - COBRA Insurance Information Source (http://www.cobrainsurance.com/)

Personally, I would have still gone with Arbco.

[Trooper13]

Love how after the building blows SE stays behind and just casually backs up into the smoke as the Cobra agents start mobilizing.

I loved that, aswell. I thought it was slick, and showed how much more aware SE is of his surroundings and how he uses them to his advantage.

[dj7000]

Here we go. Can't defend half-assed nit-picking so you need to resort to name-calling. Typical RoC BS all over again.
Ya know what dude, you got some serious insecurity issues. That's hardly name calling, and if you'd take the time to stop nit picking at what I said you woulda seen that I listed good and bad things about Renegades and gave it an average rating. Because it doesn't line up with your opinion doesn't mean shit. You should spend less time patrolling the boards trying to defend Renegades to other people and more time learning how to engage in meaningful discussion that doesn't make you look like a troll.

Stuff like this causes people to hate more on the product. People come to a discussion board to express their feelings about something and someone like you comes along and acts like we're talking about their mommy or daddy. Chill the freak out man! No one's trying to take your precious cartoon from you.

But, if you're gonna come on and unfairly criticize people, then expect to get called out on it and, as a consequence, get your feelings hurt.

[MeLikeJinx]

Love how after the building blows SE stays behind and just casually backs up into the smoke as the Cobra agents start mobilizing.I loved that, aswell. I thought it was slick, and showed how much more aware SE is of his surroundings and how he uses them to his advantage.
That was awesome! I don't think I liked it when he was meditating zen style in the back of the truck though... a little too Ninja like for me under the current circumstances. LOL.

[Zefram]

knock it off zef

[ashmodai]

i dont know if its been mentioned yet but was not the guy that baroness fried in the truck named delgado? thats shipwrecks last name did they off shipwreck? or his dad or relative . i might be wrong about this

[Zefram]

i dont know if its been mentioned yet but was not the guy that baroness fried in the truck named delgado? thats shipwrecks last name did they off shipwreck? or his dad or relative . i might be wrong about this

No, I think it was Hidalgo, which was a famous horse who it turns out never existed but they still made a movie of with Aragorn. I tried to find some meaning in that, but it might just be a coincidence. >_>;

[Trooper13]

That was awesome! I don't think I liked it when he was meditating zen style in the back of the truck though... a little too Ninja like for me under the current circumstances. LOL.

Honestly, I'm not even a Snake Eyes fan. He and Storm Shadow are so overdone that I normally avoid them like the plague. The meditation didn't really bother me, though. What I liked about this was that while SE was a huge part of the ep, he wasn't the FOCUS. He moved in and out of the picture enough to show he was still the uber-badass, but he wasn't so upfront in the plot that I got sick of him.

That balance, to me, will be important. The fact that the show was all about the "regular Joes" and that we got "introduced" to SE when people had a question about him, or through his actions went along way with me liking this take on Joe.

Edit: I hate ninja SE, too. However, that deal was sealed along time ago. I just accept it as part of the character now when dealing with media.

[Trooper13]

No, I think it was Hidalgo, which was a famous horse who it turns out never existed but they still made a movie of with Aragorn. I tried to find some meaning in that, but it might just be a coincidence. >_>;

Another small scene which I loved. One of those small touches that really impressed me. I love this Baroness.

[takedown]

Lip-synch seems off, but I've seen that on You-tube uploads before.

-I was debating if it was that, or thinking The dialogue seemed to have too many long pauses. It happend more often on TF:Prime. Tho, I might be able to catch it on the hub later today at a friends to see a difference.

for some reason i was thinking "24" but after a few mentions of the A team that got me thinking and i agree the similarities are better. Still makes a good story line thoguh. The A-team was on for how many years?

-The A-Team series was all that! Until I watched the inspiration for The A-Team, "The Green Berets" with John Wayne and George Takei, and then the plot-holes began.

-THE A Team ran for 5 years. Four seasons on the run and one season of a civilian dressed general giving them make-up homework to earn their freedom.


A lot of those are valid to some extent, but keep in mind a lot of those problems are present in 90% of the live action TV drama and movies out there. ... and at times it makes me want to pull my hair out...


-Yeah, take for instance The Mummy and ROC.

-So the first movie starts in 1923, yes, but when we get to the library 3 years has passed, making it 1926. So in The Mummy Returns we have an 8 year old Alex (born apparently in 1925) in 1933. How can that be Rick and Evelyn didnt meet until 1926?

-The Mummy was written and directed by the same person who directed ROC. Where Hauser and Lewis were both Major's 4 years ago. When 4 years ago, Duke (Channing Tatum) was Duke playing soccer at college in "Shes the Man". Some age event plot-holes are just too big to overlook.

But I'm over-analyzing. Vehicles were awesome, and I have to admit its alot better than the idea of lets have a 2, 4 or 6 seat vehicle but lets only man the vehicle with one maybe two people like in ARAH.

Flint was cool, tho Flint should have stayed a Warrant Officer, or make him a higher rank officer. IMHO he's too old to still be a Lieutenant. He seems older than Duke, Lady Jaye or Scarlett like an upperclassmen for his State, Bi-State, Tri-State championship in football. Like Flint was Senior, Lady Jaye Sophmore and Duke was a Freshman.

Lady Jaye was weird and all the saluting, especially if Duke and Lady Jaye are the same rank. Maybe she's a SSG or SFC, Squad Leader or Platoon Sergeant. It was nice to hear a bit of Colt Seavers in Abernathy's voice. RipCord's WIA/MIA/KIA thing was a joyful event. But I fear its not finished yet. But the news report did say that there was 'one casualty' so it might be over for ol'Rip.

I will still watch it as long as I have capabilities to watch it. (non-hub network subscriber)

GO JOE: Go Ordinary JOE: Regular Army Fire Team.

[Zefram]

Click the time-link in the comment I left to see what I think might be the single coolest Snake Eyes moment (that didn't involve huge amounts of violence) ever animated.

YouTube - G.I. Joe: Renegades Episode 2 (Part 1 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLTNHJ07QwM)

And Roadblock's reaction. :D

[takedown]

No, I think it was Hidalgo, which was a famous horse who it turns out never existed but they still made a movie of with Aragorn. I tried to find some meaning in that, but it might just be a coincidence. >_>;

I thought it was a homage to the writer of the book "GI JOE vs Cobra: The Essential Guide" by Pablo Hidalgo

[Trooper13]

The fact that anyone was saluting a Sergeant in the first place was a bit odd, but it's a kids show. I try to turn a blind eye to stuff like that. lol

[takedown]

The fact that anyone was saluting a Sergeant in the first place was a bit odd, but it's a kids show. I try to turn a blind eye to stuff like that. lol

Darn you mean I have to watch with my eyes closed? ROFL

[Trooper13]

Lady Jaye was weird and all the saluting, especially if Duke and Lady Jaye are the same rank. Maybe she's a SSG or SFC, Squad Leader or Platoon Sergeant.

In another odd rank related point. It didn't strike any of them as weird that when they were being transported that Major Hidalgo decided to drive? Never seen a Major behind a wheel of a 5 ton before. That right there would have tipped me off. Any normal officer, wether they were wanted or not, would have had TR or RB drive. :/

Still, great 'toon. :)

[MeLikeJinx]

What I liked about this was that while SE was a huge part of the ep, he wasn't the FOCUS. He moved in and out of the picture enough to show he was still the uber-badass, but he wasn't so upfront in the plot that I got sick of him.
Yah, SE much cooler when he is sort of mysteriously absent and just shows up to kill people and check in with Scarlett. That's my fav part of the show actually, that SE just does Scarlett's bidding like a silent Terminator or something. LOL. Except SE got totally pwned by the Bio Viper in the first round. LOL.

[Trooper13]

Except SE got totally pwned by the Bio Viper in the first round. LOL.

Which was my favorite part of the show. lol
That, and the blueshirts.

[Zefram]

The fact that anyone was saluting a Sergeant in the first place was a bit odd, but it's a kids show. I try to turn a blind eye to stuff like that. lol

Damn, when did that happen? I was actually kind of impressed for awhile that they were actually handling the whole rank thing.

[dmizrok]

I liked it...art was odd but i can get used to it...DIDNT like how Ripcord was the one to just bust out EVERYONES code name except Duke and SE...side note...my daughter was watching I Carly and a blonde haired kid was named WADE COLLINS...thought it was funny...

[Trooper13]

Damn, when did that happen? I was actually kind of impressed for awhile that they were handling the whole rank thing.

Actually, and this is the weird part. It isn't blown until Flint shows up. It didn't strike me as odd at first, becuase for some weird reason I seem to remember LJ being listed as a Lt. like Scarlet and Flint in the character breakdowns they released. However, when the show starts, everyone is saluting her. Which, like I said, didn't seem odd. UNTIL, Flint shows up and calls her sergeant.

[Super Beast]

Watched it..loved it. Every part of it.

[Zefram]

Actually, and this is the weird part. It isn't blown until Flint shows up. It didn't strike me as odd at first, becuase for some weird reason I seem to remember LJ being listed as a Lt. like Scarlet and Flint in the character breakdowns they released. However, when the show starts, everyone is saluting her. Which, like I said, didn't seem odd. UNTIL, Flint shows up and calls her sergeant.

Damnit, Flint! bad enough when you spelled "sneak" sideways! Now you're messing up the rank?

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Reactions/tumblr_kxjoy8sIG21qb3c2no1_400.jpg

[takedown]

Actually, and this is the weird part. It isn't blown until Flint shows up. It didn't strike me as odd at first, becuase for some weird reason I seem to remember LJ being listed as a Lt. like Scarlet and Flint in the character breakdowns they released. However, when the show starts, everyone is saluting her. Which, like I said, didn't seem odd. UNTIL, Flint shows up and calls her sergeant.

Yeah they changed a few things from the character bios on hubworld to the premiere...

GI Joe Renegades | Watch TV Shows, Play Free Online Games and View TV Schedule | HubWorld (http://www.hubworld.com/gi-joe/shows/renegades/characters/lady-jaye)

Rip Cord - Private, now PFC
Tunnel Rat - PFC (same)
Roadblock - Corporal (same)
Duke/Grunt - Sergeant (same)
Lady Jaye - Sergeant (same apparently but could be any of E-5 to E-9 Sergeants)
Flint - Warrant Officer, now Army Intel Lieutenant
Scarlett - Army Intel Lieutenant

[Trooper13]

Yeah they changed a few things from the character bios on hubworld to the premiere...

GI Joe Renegades | Watch TV Shows, Play Free Online Games and View TV Schedule | HubWorld (http://www.hubworld.com/gi-joe/shows/renegades/characters/lady-jaye)

Rip Cord - Private, now PFC
Tunnel Rat - PFC (same)
Roadblock - Corporal (same)
Duke/Grunt - Sergeant (same)
Lady Jaye - Sergeant (same apparently but could be any of E-5 to E-9 Sergeants)
Flint - Warrant Officer, now Army Intel Lieutenant
Scarlett - Army Intel Lieutenant

Yeah, not sure why they were saluting her. Also, not sure where I picked up that she might be an Lieutenant. Maybe I got her and Scarlet mixed up when I read those descriptions. I would have liked to see Flint be a WO, and maybe CID like Chuckles was, instead of another intel officer. It would make sense that they would bring in a specialist to track these soldiers down. Though I suppose handling it all within intel allows them to keep the whole mess under the radar, though the cat kind of seems to be out of the bag with that newscast.

IMO, It would have made sense to have Flint be a WO, and there for have more time in. Or, atleast if he was an officer, outrank Scarlet. He comes off as much more squared away and professional then she does, so if they are the same rank, it makes her look like a bad officer. Though I suppose Scarlet could be a Butterbar, and he could be a 1st Lieutenant.

[Tyroc]

Flint could be a CID Warrant posing as an Intel Officer as he investigates collusion or criminal activity between the military and Cobra...just saying..

That'd be awesome if the story swings that way.

Btw, watched it on youtube (living in Australia and all) and thought it was decent. I didn't mind the art and the story had as much characterization and pacing as I'd expect from a 20 min cartoon. Overall, I'm hoping it grabs kids the way RAH hooked most of us.

Really looking forward to the toys now..especially vehicles.

[Trooper13]

Flint could be a CID Warrant posing as an Intel Officer as he investigates collusion or criminal activity between the military and Cobra...just saying..

That'd be awesome if the story swings that way.

It would be, but considering they have a Major driving a 5 ton, and sergeants getting saluted, I doubt they'd put any sort of thought into it. Honestly, they don't need to. It's a kids show, and kids don't care about military etiquette, rank structure, or protocol. When it comes to things like this I just try to turn off that part of my brain, or like you said. Imagine another explanation for my own
personal Joe-verse.

[General Hawk]

I am also.I didnt like Resolute SS.....I thought he was too angry.Maybe he needed a hug.

This is one of my main issues with Resolute. Everyone labels it as this wonderful masterpiece of Joe animation, but they took two incredibly complex, layered characters (Storm Shadow and Zartan) and essentially just turned them into jealous, murderous thugs.

Hopefully Renegades will get the opportunity to do something better with them. Considering the Arashikage two-parter in episodes 4 and 5 puts a big focus on that, my hopes are up.

Justin

[Trooper13]

This is one of my main issues with Resolute. Everyone labels it as this wonderful masterpiece of Joe animation, but they took two incredibly complex, layered characters (Storm Shadow and Zartan) and essentially just turned them into jealous, murderous thugs.

I agree. Resolute looked slick and top notch, but it's story was very shallow, imo. While I can deal with Zartan being a greedy, sleazy, assassin. I really loved RoC Zartan the best of any Zartan I've ever seen. Storm Shadow was a huge step down. I'm not saying they needed to make him the "undercover" good guy. I could have dealt with him being an evil assassin, with maybe a little honor thrown in. If they were going to change the characters roles in how that story played out, I would have rather they just told an all new backstory for them altogether.

Hopefully Renegades will get the opportunity to do something better with them. Considering the Arashikage two-parter in episodes 4 and 5 puts a big focus on that, my hopes are up.

Justin

I hope so. I'm not a huge SE or SS fan to be honest. To me, SE isn't even a ninja. However, I realize that in any media representation we are likely to see he always will be. i just wish they'd find someway to make it not completely nauseating. I like the fact that in this 'verse SE isn't even affiliated with the military. It makes the ninja aspect a little easier to swallow. I'm definitely down for giving it a shot.

[Jay West]

meh, watched 3 minutes of it and was all I could take. that isn't an indictment of the cartoon itself, I simply have no interest in children's cartoons. I'm not sure how anyone could tell whether it was good or not, it is written like all cartoons.

I agree it is written for kids. Maybe I had hoped for something a little more intelligent though I don't know why. I still enjoyed it. I enjoy a well written, well plotted serial kids toon, though. I can't judge whether it is on the level of Beast Wars, Avatar, or Clone Wars yet.

[CG76]

I smell Joe and TF profits to be made by Hasbro.

[dj7000]

if you have a problem with a post report it. from that point forward leave it alone. if you respond after you report you will be in the same boat as the person who started it.

[kneroh]

Relax boys. If I'm not mistaken this started over the time it took to unsheathe a sword. Hardly seems worth getting upset over. A minor detail to say the least.

Let's fight over the real issue deth o da lein!

[dj7000]

Relax boys. If I'm not mistaken this started over the time it took to unsheathe a sword. Hardly seems worth getting upset over. A minor detail to say the least.

Let's fight over the real issue deth o da lein!

thank you. I'm not even making an issue of it. I merely stated it didn't make sense in the show. I just found it odd he took it out, turned around, put it back in, took it out, etc, etc

I didn't realize you had to be an expert in the art of ninja warfare inorder to enjoy the show. Maybe hasbro should put that in the disclaimer next time.

[SECP]

BTW, how sick was it when SE answered Duke's question by holding up the mini-TV at just the right moment? :D

Sick indeed. Second best moment in the toon so far imo. SE's so unphased that they're pointing their guns at him, that he decides to pick one of their pockets while they're doing it.

Best moment is the tribute to all of us who hated JarJar Wayans in the roc movie, as voiced by Tunel rat. 'I didn't know weems. None of us did. I found him annoying.' possible translation: We don't recognize this guy as ripcord. We don't like him. We're not exactly sad he's dead.
Black-guy-dies-first implications asside, if it was a nod then it was a damn clever one.

[dj7000]

Sick indeed. Second best moment in the toon so far imo. SE's so unphased that they're pointing their guns at him, that he decides to pick one of their pockets while they're doing it.

Best moment is the tribute to all of us who hated JarJar Wayans in the roc movie, as voiced by Tunel rat. 'I didn't know weems. None of us did. I found him annoying.' possible translation: We don't recognize this guy as ripcord. We don't like him. We're not exactly sad he's dead.
Black-guy-dies-first implications asside, if it was a nod then it was a damn clever one.

There was a lot of little funny things that happened including the SE pick pocket.

[kneroh]

I didn't realize you had to be an expert in the art of ninja warfare inorder to enjoy the show. Maybe hasbro should put that in the disclaimer next time.

I'm always amazed at the level of knowledge a lot of people on this board have. Like the stuff about a major driving a truck, and who should salute who. It's something that I never even considered while watching. It's cool to know though and gives you something a little extra to watch for.

[D00MTR0N]

you guys think we will see destro in the next episode?also is this a once a week deal

[Saboteur]

I'm just waiting for Bazooka's old, fat and tired ass to show up. You know he's going to be doing security when the Joes get caught. They'll make their escape becaue Katz wasn't doing his job--he was off somewhere with his hands in a cookie jar.

[Trooper13]

you guys think we will see destro in the next episode?also is this a once a week deal

I'm really not sure. I know Bludd is supposed to be in the next ep, and it revolves around an assassination plot. So they might be holding off on Destro. From the way Baroness referred to "Mr. McCullen" I'd wager that he is still in charge of MARS at this point, and therefore Cobra's aquisition of MARS, and how he becomes "Destro" will likely be an episode on it's own. Though, we may see McCullen in the meantime, and next episode might be a spot where he shows up. From what people have said, episodes 4 and 5 center around Storm Shadow, so I doubt he'll make his debut there.

Not sure what the schedule is supposed to look like, but the next episode can't come fast enough for me.

[Adamantite]

Best moment is the tribute to all of us who hated JarJar Wayans in the roc movie, as voiced by Tunel rat. 'I didn't know weems. None of us did. I found him annoying.' possible translation: We don't recognize this guy as ripcord. We don't like him. We're not exactly sad he's dead.
Black-guy-dies-first implications asside, if it was a nod then it was a damn clever one.


I really hope when episode 3 comes out that ripcord is no longer in the opening credits, that would really make my day. If Hasbro did really kill him I would consider that as close as it could possibly come to an actual apology for ROC.

But then people are going to give them crap for killing the black guy first. They can never win with us.

In any case, where does the whole black man dies first thing come from originally? Is it from horror B movies?

[Deathsynger]

I don't know about Weems being a bad thing. It ain't ROC, he could be entertaining in Renegades. I really liked the banter between the characters. If Tunnel Rat is going to be the grumpy one then there needs to be the goofy one to make fun of. It'll be nice if they keep it up with SE having a sense of humor and some personality, via the mini-tv scene.

[kneroh]

I'm just waiting for Bazooka's old, fat and tired ass to show up. You know he's going to be doing security when the Joes get caught. They'll make their escape becaue Katz wasn't doing his job--he was off somewhere with his hands in a cookie jar.

Bazooka's introduction in the Devil's Due run was pretty much the high point of that series for me. It was hysterical!

[Snake Shadow09]

so ss shows up in episode 4?

[Trooper13]

so ss shows up in episode 4?

That's the rumor, as far as I know. There's a two part double episode story that revolves around the ninja element of the show. Episodes 4 and 5.

[Saboteur]

Bazooka's introduction in the Devil's Due run was pretty much the high point of that series for me. It was hysterical!

I know, right?

It's something I look forward to with every new incarnation of Joe. I can't wait to see what Renegades does with him.

[dj7000]

I'm always amazed at the level of knowledge a lot of people on this board have. Like the stuff about a major driving a truck, and who should salute who. It's something that I never even considered while watching. It's cool to know though and gives you something a little extra to watch for.

I agree. I think it's cool to have that knowledge and I think the writers should take that into consideration. But then again, the target audience I doubt will know the differnece,lol

[Adamantite]

Yeah I don't know squat about the military, ranks, salutes, etc. And I don't think kids would know either.

I have learned quite a bit about that stuff here in the tank.

[Troynos]

I agree. I think it's cool to have that knowledge and I think the writers should take that into consideration. But then again, the target audience I doubt will know the differnece,lol

It would be nice, but do have to draw the line somewhere between entertainment and accuracy. If something was 100% accurate, then chances are it would be pretty boring.

[Trooper13]

It would be nice, but do have to draw the line somewhere between entertainment and accuracy. If something was 100% accurate, then chances are it would be pretty boring.

You got that right. No one wants to see Flint and his crew singing out the keys and log books, and perform PMCS' for his unit's vehicles before engaging the Joes in a chase scene. Or the fact that after every mission Flint has to file his report in triplicate. That sh*t would get old quick. lol

[SECP]

But then people are going to give them crap for killing the black guy first. They can never win with us.


Agreed. I should point out here that I'm not one of the people who sees JarJar being the first character to be taken out as a black thing. I only even mentioned it because I didn't feel like having anybody jump on me for liking that he gets killed off. Even though I'm sure they'll bring his sorry ass back in an episode or two.

[Saboteur]

What is this about "killing THE black guy"?

Ripcord is one of TWO "black guys". Roadblock is alive and well and I'd wager Ripcord will be back. This wasn't a typical kill off "the black guy" just because someone has to die scenario.

Hasbro has gone to great pains to make sure that all races are represented in so much as changing the very race of Lady Jaye. Those that aren't represented, will probably show up at one point. There's no favoritism or racism being displayed here. Relax.

[kneroh]

What is this about "killing THE black guy"?

Ripcord is one of TWO "black guys". Roadblock is alive and well and I'd wager Ripcord will be back. This wasn't a typical kill off "the black guy" just because someone has to die scenario.

Hasbro has gone to great pains to make sure that all races are represented in so much as changing the very race of Lady Jaye. Those that aren't represented, will probably show up at one point. There's no favoritism or racism being displayed here. Relax.

Zef does make some good points about the history of killing off the black guy and anyone who has seen Scream is more than familiar with Hollywood's comfort in doing so. Like some others have said I see it more as a nod to the fans who didn't like ROC. Well... at least I would if I thought he was really dead.

[Trooper13]

I'm with the other doubters here. No body. No death. It's that simple.

Hey! Didn't Mindbender want to "merge" the Joes with the Bio-Vipers? Make them "supersoldiers"? What if, in the destruction of the lab, the BV's dna got merged with Ripcords? What if he comes back as a double agent?

Like the Joes "stumble" upon a Cobra message regarding Weems being moved in a prisoner transport. They spring him, thinking they rescued their comrade, when infact, they invited a snake into their midst?

I dunno, I think it could be cool

[jcast]

Zef does make some good points about the history of killing off the black guy and anyone who has seen Scream is more than familiar with Hollywood's comfort in doing so.

That's actually a trope:
Black Dude Dies First - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackDudeDiesFirst)

[kennywr22]

Well like I said these first two episodes were fantastic. From everything I've read from the designers and people working on the series is it just gets better and better so I can't wait. For those asking the new episodes appear every Friday night at 5:30. They repeat throughout the week.

[Saboteur]

Zef does make some good points about the history of killing off the black guy and anyone who has seen Scream is more than familiar with Hollywood's comfort in doing so. Like some others have said I see it more as a nod to the fans who didn't like ROC. Well... at least I would if I thought he was really dead.

Zef is right. It does in fact happen. I stand with him in agreement with that. I don't think this is one of those instances. I do believe he'll be back and Roadblock is still a presence.

If there was no Roadblock, and we knew for a fact that Ripcord wasn't coming back, I'd think some fan feedback was in order. Especially considering the fact that it seems Hasbro wants the cartoon to represent all (or as much as possible) races.

Zef is right. And I am in agreement. I just hate to see him or anyone else think this is what is happening and get worked up about it. Because I don't think that's the case this time.

But Ripcord could very well be dead and I could be wrong.

[Blue Ninja]

Nah they used them in TF 2 so they can't be used in GI JOE unfortuantley now :)
I thought that they were supposed to be gussied-up rubicons. See File:Jeep-Mountain-Unlimited.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jeep-Mountain-Unlimited.jpg)

I thought they were switching to the jeep since the hummer line was dead.

[Rainbow Viper]

I thought the new show was much better than I originally thought! when I first saw stills of the animation and some of the video b4 it aired, I was a bit turned off; but it really worked! I thought it had a nice mixture of elements. the episodes had great pacing too...very fast. I noticed that with some of the older 80s cartoons (I of course still enjoy) would often think...goodness. "that episode felt long and boring". I'm not sure how I feel about the Baroness having short hair or what seemed to be short, and I don't know how I feel about Hawk having the eye patch. I'm definitely anxious to see how it all goes. so far it feels sorta like a soap opera-ish non stop continuation similar to shows like x-men in the 90s, yet at the same time somewhat self contained. but this is just my review of what I've seen so far. so far...loving it!

[kneroh]

Zef is right. It does in fact happen. I stand with him in agreement with that. I don't think this is one of those instances. I do believe he'll be back and Roadblock is still a presence.

If there was no Roadblock, and we knew for a fact that Ripcord wasn't coming back, I'd think some fan feedback was in order. Especially considering the fact that it seems Hasbro wants the cartoon to represent all (or as much as possible) races.

Zef is right. And I am in agreement. I just hate to see him or anyone else think this is what is happening and get worked up about it. Because I don't think that's the case this time.

But Ripcord could very well be dead and I could be wrong.

Well regardless of anything this is still the most diverse Joe team we've seen (excluding the international unit from ROC) and hopefully that will resonate with a lot more kids who never felt they were represented in cartoons. It's also a good thing for parents as it brings a little gravitas to a program that normally can be described as "a bunch of white folks shooting at each other".

[Blue Ninja]

Nah they used them in TF 2 so they can't be used in GI JOE unfortuantley now :)

whoa whoa whoa she just called DUke Grunt... end of the world@!

I believe she was calling him a "grunt" like he had been calling her a "spy."

[Blue Ninja]

I think Hawk lost the right eye and CC is missing the left, maybe this will be one of those eye for eye series.

Technically, we can only assume hawk lost an eye. Same with cobra commander. We have just seen that they cover their (opposite) eyes.

Yeah, nitpicking, but if we want to play the what if hawk=cc game, we can't assume anything.

And hawk flirting with baroness and asking when he could meet the cc could be a red herring to fool her, too.

Not that I think hasbro is that devious, but it is fun to hope and speculate.

[kennywr22]

So cool, I'm watching it again right now on the hub even though I have it recorded. Lol.

[Gyre-Viper]

Technically, we can only assume hawk lost an eye. Same with cobra commander. We have just seen that they cover their (opposite) eyes.

Yeah, nitpicking, but if we want to play the what if hawk=cc game, we can't assume anything.

And hawk flirting with baroness and asking when he could meet the cc could be a red herring to fool her, too.

Not that I think hasbro is that devious, but it is fun to hope and speculate.




Hawk is Major Blood. DUH. = eye patch

[Trooper13]

So cool, I'm watching it again right now on the hub even though I have it recorded. Lol.

I've watched it twice already. lol

[daremo]

I enjoyed it very much. Thanks to ~Synder-Corps~ I was able to watch the second airing. We chuckled a lot while watching. I think Roadblock had some of the best lines - "This ain't your mama's Cobra" and "Cobra bakes some good apple pies". Snake-Eyes ninja music made me laugh too. I noticed a few nods to fans (the boy taken by the Bio-Viper looked a lot like Timbit from the Joe CanadaCon).

All in all I was impressed and left hopeful for the series and toys to come.

[dj7000]

watching it again. Still feel the same but Ep2 is definately better. But it'll be a fun watch every friday

[Steel Brigade]

I just watched it a 2nd time & liked it even better! ^_-

[Steel Brigade]

I know a lot mentioned Snake's Asian flavored themes, but did you notice Lady Jaye has a Spanish guitar theme? (Like when she pics up the phone when Duke calls)...

[speedocub]

I know a lot mentioned Snake's Asian flavored themes, but did you notice Lady Jaye has a Spanish guitar theme? (Like when she pics up the phone when Duke calls)...

I did not...I really hope that I forget about this. I don't like introductory themes...thats just ridiculous....I like the show...but irritating cliches and themes for each character would really kill it for me.

[Adamantite]

The episodes are now on torrents.

[speedocub]

The episodes are now on torrents.

Ugh, You shouldnt have to rely on torrents to see these. Hasbro should allow other channels to air them.

[Adamantite]

Ugh, You shouldnt have to rely on torrents to see these. Hasbro should allow other channels to air them.


I'd get the torrents even if I it played on tv ;)
Silly Hasbro I get Discovery Kids but it did not turn into The Hub. It's a US only thing.

[braxthunder]

My son and I enjoyed both Prime and Renegades. He is a transformers fan but also stated he thought Renegades was very cool. I've watched the episodes over and over. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. Well, my NFL team is losing so I'll turn on the G.I. Joe Renegades again! YO JOE!

[speedocub]

I'd get the torrents even if I it played on tv ;)
Silly Hasbro I get Discovery Kids but it did not turn into The Hub. It's a US only thing.

There are application add ons that allow you to download the internet content from youtube and even the flv from hubworld...when and if they post it you could download them that way. At least you wont get some out of sync video.

[laurenluna1977]

Here is a question for those with a military background: is there a difference between simply being a soldier that is of a higher rank rather than the solider who is the person directly above the others in the chain of command?

For example, in the original A-Team, the squad was composed of Col. Hannibal Smith, Lt. Templeton Peck, and Sgt. B.A. Barracus. Murdock, a Capt., was only their chopper pilot and not in the direct chain of command of the squad. Let's say in a particular mission, the chopper was shot down so that Murdock is with the team. However, Col. Smith then gets shot and is unconscious. Who does command fall to: Peck the next higher ranking soldier in the chain of command, or Murdock the highest officer present?

Reason I ask is that in Renegades, Duke makes a speech about how they are all "equal fugitives" and rank no longer means anything. However, he was the officer in charge of the security mission and Scarlett, was merely the cargo. I would think that the rest of the team being under Duke's command would have to take their orders from him, and merely show Scarlett the courtesies that goes with her rank as a Lt. I mean what if Scarlett was a Dr or Chaplain instead of Military Intelligence, would she still expect to take command of the team due to her rank?

[Trooper13]

Here is a question for those with a military background: is there a difference between simply being a soldier that is of a higher rank rather than the solider who is the person directly above the others in the chain of command?

For example, in the original A-Team, the squad was composed of Col. Hannibal Smith, Lt. Templeton Peck, and Sgt. B.A. Barracus. Murdock, a Capt., was only their chopper pilot and not in the direct chain of command of the squad. Let's say in a particular mission, the chopper was shot down so that Murdock is with the team. However, Col. Smith then gets shot and is unconscious. Who does command fall to: Peck the next higher ranking soldier in the chain of command, or Murdock the highest officer present?

Reason I ask is that in Renegades, Duke makes a speech about how they are all "equal fugitives" and rank no longer means anything. However, he was the officer in charge of the security mission and Scarlett, was merely the cargo. I would think that the rest of the team being under Duke's command would have to take their orders from him, and merely show Scarlett the courtesies that goes with her rank as a Lt. I mean what if Scarlett was a Dr or Chaplain instead of Military Intelligence, would she still expect to take command of the team due to her rank?

It all gets tricky. There are many things you just covered there.

Technically, Murdock wouldn't even really be a Captain. He'd be a Warrant Officer like Flint was in ARAH. The Army WO program was specifically created for that in Veitnam. That way Chopper pilots didn't need to go through the academy, as they really never held command. Later on, technical specialists became part of the WO program, aswell. So in the instance of Smith being wounded and unconscious, given the role Murdock plays, and the fact that he's nuttier then a Payday, Face would assume command.

Next, Duke isn't in the "Chain of Command" as he is a NCO (non-commisioned officer). That means he's part of the NCO Support Chain. He could be incharge of the detail, but he really wouldn't be "in command". So as it's Scarlet's mission, she is in command. However, since she is MI, and has no advanced infantry training, she would turn over the "field command", or supervision of the soldiers to Duke. So it would depend on the situation. If they were in a firefight, Duke would be "in charge" of the actual tactical manuevers. If injured that duty would fall to the next qualified NCO in line, Roadblock. He's a Corporal.

While in both cases Scarlet would still be in command, and determine the units overall objectives, the NCO in charge would be responsible for actually making sure the job gets done and how. Should Roadblock and Duke be taken out, Scarlet would be "in charge", but she would still likely consult TR when she needed ideas as he obviously has more combat experience.

Again, in general, rank trumps. However, it gets fuzzy when CoC gets involved. For instance, as a PFC if my Lieutenant sends me to the motor pool to get a truck to take him and some supplies somewhere I go do that. Now, if on my way some two star General not in my CoC stops me and tells me to run to the PX and get him some mayo for his turkey sandwhich, I "technically" should follow that order. However, I would be expected to inform him that I am already under orders to fullfil a duty from my Platoon Leader. Should he choose to be a total douche and supercede that order, he can do that, and there are D'bags like that. However, I would have covered my ass by informing him of my previous orders. How that all shakes down when I show up late, depends on how the politics of the base play out. It's really like a big soap opera, and a bunch BS to be honest.

There's also the fact that rank structure sometimes gets superceded for field purposes. Before I left the military, our unit got a HUGE influx of officers and NCO's from fixed station posts, along with privates straight out of AIT. As we dealt with the tactical side of classified telecommunications most of these officers and soldiers were useless in the field. As I was the only one in my squad who had served on a deployment, when we went out into the field for training exercises, I was placed in charge of a team as a PFC, and had a SP4, and two privates under me at one point. Even after the SP4 seperated, I was left incharge of field operations for a the team, which is technically supposed to be filled by a Corporal or SP4 promotable. While the other team consisted of a SSG, SGT, and three privates. My expertise and experience trumped the rank structure, in that case.

[Zefram]

That's actually a trope:
Black Dude Dies First - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackDudeDiesFirst)

Beat me to it. :)

Zef is right. And I am in agreement. I just hate to see him or anyone else think this is what is happening and get worked up about it. Because I don't think that's the case this time.

Oh no, that's the thing, I don't think it's ever really done on purpose, unless you count direct parody. It the frequency of it happening unconsciously that can get a little unnerving at times. Shining a light on it is just a way to get people to get creators to question themselves and why they make certain decisions. Same thing with "Women in Refrigerators". A lot of the creators called out on that list were likely unaware they were being potentially unfair to the fairer sex, and while a few got defensive, others took pause and reevaluated some of their future stories.

Here is a question for those with a military background: is there a difference between simply being a soldier that is of a higher rank rather than the solider who is the person directly above the others in the chain of command?

For example, in the original A-Team, the squad was composed of Col. Hannibal Smith, Lt. Templeton Peck, and Sgt. B.A. Barracus. Murdock, a Capt., was only their chopper pilot and not in the direct chain of command of the squad. Let's say in a particular mission, the chopper was shot down so that Murdock is with the team. However, Col. Smith then gets shot and is unconscious. Who does command fall to: Peck the next higher ranking soldier in the chain of command, or Murdock the highest officer present?

Reason I ask is that in Renegades, Duke makes a speech about how they are all "equal fugitives" and rank no longer means anything. However, he was the officer in charge of the security mission and Scarlett, was merely the cargo. I would think that the rest of the team being under Duke's command would have to take their orders from him, and merely show Scarlett the courtesies that goes with her rank as a Lt. I mean what if Scarlett was a Dr or Chaplain instead of Military Intelligence, would she still expect to take command of the team due to her rank?

I don't think I'd follow Murdock's orders in the field. >_>;

[Trooper13]

I don't think I'd follow Murdock's orders in the field. >_>;


I agree. Then again, he'd probably come up with some pretty creative plans that the enemy wouldn't see coming. lol

[Barefoot Jedi]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk171/Slowedyourmind/IRON%20GRENADIERS/007-2-1-1.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk171/Slowedyourmind/IRON%20GRENADIERS/008-3-1.jpg

[kneroh]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk171/Slowedyourmind/IRON%20GRENADIERS/008-3-1.jpg

R.I.P.Cord?

[speedocub]

Here is a question for those with a military background: is there a difference between simply being a soldier that is of a higher rank rather than the solider who is the person directly above the others in the chain of command?

For example, in the original A-Team, the squad was composed of Col. Hannibal Smith, Lt. Templeton Peck, and Sgt. B.A. Barracus. Murdock, a Capt., was only their chopper pilot and not in the direct chain of command of the squad. Let's say in a particular mission, the chopper was shot down so that Murdock is with the team. However, Col. Smith then gets shot and is unconscious. Who does command fall to: Peck the next higher ranking soldier in the chain of command, or Murdock the highest officer present?

Reason I ask is that in Renegades, Duke makes a speech about how they are all "equal fugitives" and rank no longer means anything. However, he was the officer in charge of the security mission and Scarlett, was merely the cargo. I would think that the rest of the team being under Duke's command would have to take their orders from him, and merely show Scarlett the courtesies that goes with her rank as a Lt. I mean what if Scarlett was a Dr or Chaplain instead of Military Intelligence, would she still expect to take command of the team due to her rank?

Unfortunately, we the viewers know that Duke is a SGT, eventually a first SGT but LT out ranks a Sergent. Even in the GI Joe movie, LT Falcon out ranks Duke, Hell Flint, and Wild Bill do also. I'm sure that is why you see very few LTs in GI Joe. Giving Scarlett the rank of LT is going to be problematic unless she looses her rank. But either way, LT is an officer and Sergent is not. Sergent is an enlisted man. Most of the Joes are E-x rank...E-9 being highest. (which no one occupies)

Capt out ranks a lieutenant. WO, LT, Capt, Major, Col, Gen. in that order. There are LT grades in some not all.

Now, there is command authority and in that case a lower ranking officer may be given military command if the LT is say...a desk jockey. But we again know Scarlett is not a desk jockey.

So very problematic indeed...but as fugitives, they dont have rank...pecking order would certainly fall to the most qualified...and they are making that appear to be Duke.

[Trooper13]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk171/Slowedyourmind/IRON%20GRENADIERS/007-2-1-1.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk171/Slowedyourmind/IRON%20GRENADIERS/008-3-1.jpg


LMAO, is that a snowshoe on a stick, or is he ready to play some lacrosse?

[laurenluna1977]

It all gets tricky. There are many things you just covered there.

Technically, Murdock wouldn't even really be a Captain. He'd be a Warrant Officer like Flint was in ARAH. The Army WO program was specifically created for that in Veitnam. That way Chopper pilots didn't need to go through the academy, as they really never held command. Later on, technical specialists became part of the WO program, aswell. So in the instance of Smith being wounded and unconscious, given the role Murdock plays, and the fact that he's nuttier then a Payday, Face would assume command.

Next, Duke isn't in the "Chain of Command" as he is a NCO (non-commisioned officer). That means he's part of the NCO Support Chain. He could be incharge of the detail, but he really wouldn't be "in command". So as it's Scarlet's mission, she is in command. However, since she is MI, and has no advanced infantry training, she would turn over the "field command", or supervision of the soldiers to Duke. So it would depend on the situation. If they were in a firefight, Duke would be "in charge" of the actual tactical manuevers. If injured that duty would fall to the next qualified NCO in line, Roadblock. He's a Corporal.

While in both cases Scarlet would still be in command, and determine the units overall objectives, the NCO in charge would be responsible for actually making sure the job gets done and how. Should Roadblock and Duke be taken out, Scarlet would be "in charge", but she would still likely consult TR when she needed ideas as he obviously has more combat experience.

Again, in general, rank trumps. However, it gets fuzzy when CoC gets involved. For instance, as a PFC if my Lieutenant sends me to the motor pool to get a truck to take him and some supplies somewhere I go do that. Now, if on my way some two star General not in my CoC stops me and tells me to run to the PX and get him some mayo for his turkey sandwhich, I "technically" should follow that order. However, I would be expected to inform him that I am already under orders to fullfil a duty from my Platoon Leader. Should he choose to be a total douche and supercede that order, he can do that, and there are D'bags like that. However, I would have covered my ass by informing him of my previous orders. How that all shakes down when I show up late, depends on how the politics of the base play out. It's really like a big soap opera, and a bunch BS to be honest.

There's also the fact that rank structure sometimes gets superceded for field purposes. Before I left the military, our unit got a HUGE influx of officers and NCO's from fixed station posts, along with privates straight out of AIT. As we dealt with the tactical side of classified telecommunications most of these officers and soldiers were useless in the field. As I was the only one in my squad who had served on a deployment, when we went out into the field for training exercises, I was placed in charge of a team as a PFC, and had a SP4, and two privates under me at one point. Even after the SP4 seperated, I was left incharge of field operations for a the team, which is technically supposed to be filled by a Corporal or SP4 promotable. While the other team consisted of a SSG, SGT, and three privates. My expertise and experience trumped the rank structure, in that case.

Wow, thanks for the detailed response! So taking the Joes just on their file cards alone, any time I stick Ace in my squad (I think AF Capt.) he would be technically in command, but would have to defer to Duke in terms of field operations? So Ace can say "we are out gunned and out numbered, we are going home," and Duke has to follow that even if he wants to stay and fight?

[Barefoot Jedi]

LMAO, is that a snowshoe on a stick, or is he ready to play some lacrosse?

Weapons Emporium Lord of Rings Glamdring Narsil Sting Witchking Ringwraith Nazgul Frodo Gandolf Saruman Sauron Aragorn (http://www.weaponsemporium.com/WE-LOTR-Misc.htm)

attempts to talk self out of ordering Saruman's staff

[Trooper13]

Wow, thanks for the detailed response! So taking the Joes just on their file cards alone, any time I stick Ace in my squad (I think AF Capt.) he would be technically in command, but would have to defer to Duke in terms of field operations? So Ace can say "we are out gunned and out numbered, we are going home," and Duke has to follow that even if he wants to stay and fight?

Pilots, and not just Chopper Pilots, are a bit of an exception. Likely there would be an Officer on the ground other then Ace that was given command. HOWEVER, if for some bizarre reason Hawk suffered brain damage or smoked himself retarded and placed Ace in charge of infantry operations then, yes. If Ace is Duke's commanding officer, then Duke is expected to follow his orders.

[devildawg]

I caught Renegades today on a replay on the Hub since I missed it yesterday. I enjoyed the show. I am glad GI Joe is back on TV.

[Trooper13]

Weapons Emporium Lord of Rings Glamdring Narsil Sting Witchking Ringwraith Nazgul Frodo Gandolf Saruman Sauron Aragorn (http://www.weaponsemporium.com/WE-LOTR-Misc.htm)

attempts to talk self out of ordering Saruman's staff

That is easily the fanciest set of Lacrosse gear I've ever seen.

[Trooper13]

Wow, I can't believe we're at 95 pages...

[kennywr22]

I'm hoping that now Clem can show some more of art that he's done for this show since its now being aired. Dying to see it.

[Gyre-Viper]

Wow, I can't believe we're at 95 pages...


and it's only been 2 episodes. I'd get comfy if I were you.

[Life4Dreadnok]

Zef does make some good points about the history of killing off the black guy and anyone who has seen Scream is more than familiar with Hollywood's comfort in doing so. Like some others have said I see it more as a nod to the fans who didn't like ROC. Well... at least I would if I thought he was really dead.

So now we have to view our entertainment with a clipboard and a calculator so we can count how many of each race is represented and killed off? How ridiculous! Isn't that the epitome of racism? When people start looking for how many of "my people" are represented, that is when racism will become extinct.

If anything they made the "black guy" Ripcord the hero for saving his team. And we all know Ripcord will be back. I don't think they kill people in this cartoon. For example Duke not wanting to hurt anybody so he throws the grenade in the air.

I don't get the Scream reference. They killed alot more hot white girls in that movie than black dudes. Was there some speach in the movie about killing off black dudes? If so I don't remember it. And if there was, does that mean it's the Hollywood rule since it was said in a horror movie?

Stop keeping score, just enjoy the damn show.

[Blue Ninja]

I see what you are saying. But I think that in order to appeal to a wider audience, i.e. those in countries foreign to North America, they are dropping the "Real American Hero" thing. I have mixed feelings about it, but either way I'll still watch the show.


Funny thing about that. I hear a lot of fans complaining about the "globalization" of gi Joe, but over in the What/who would you like to be added to the Joe team thread, it's all SAS, Spetznas, Isreali commandos, mi6, etc.

Guess Joe fans are like Starburst.

[kneroh]

]Stop keeping score, just enjoy the damn show.

I wasn't and I did. I was simply stating how there is some credence to the theory he put forward and no where did I say that I agreed with it. I simply said there is some evidence to it. There's a difference.

Like how there's a lot of evidence that the first moon landing never really took place, do I believe that? No.

[Blue Ninja]

Duke only a Sergeant?


Ah...because he was always a sgt. Except in RoC.

[the odinson]

just watched- was okay. didn't blow me away, not the worst thing i've ever seen. if the toys are real stylized like clone wars i will not be partaking. if they look like they can fit in w/ poc stuff, might get a couple.
in the end i guess i will keep watching, see what happens. mindbender is the only really annoying character so far.

B-, so far.

[ChaplainAsst]

The thing with Ripcord seemed a little strange - like maybe some editing occured there. For more than a moment, I thought SE went back to save him instead of buying time for the team. I wonder if that wasn't originally animated, and then they changed it to be "edgier" or to create a "Did Ripcord really die?" vibe.

[Trooper13]

and it's only been 2 episodes. I'd get comfy if I were you.

Nice, does that mean I can put on my Official Cobra Industries Footie Pajamas?

[Gyre-Viper]

Nice, does that mean I can put on my Official Cobra Industries Footie Pajamas?


I'd love a Cobra Industries shirt.
I'm gonna guess though that any and all Renegades merch
will be in kid sizes.

[Trooper13]

I'd love a Cobra Industries shirt.
I'm gonna guess though that any and all Renegades merch
will be in kid sizes.

Yeah, that kind of sucks. I think one of the Blueshirts done like a Dickie's workshirt with the patch on the shoulder, a Cobra Industries Polo, and a T-shirt might all sell, but likely in limited quantities.

I wonder if we could get Hasbro just to give us an embroidered patch like on the Trooper's shirts? It'd be easy enough to buy a shirt and sew it on. It'd also be cool for backpacks, ect..

[midgettem1]

Ah...because he was always a sgt. Except in RoC.

Duke's always been a First Sergeant (Army/Marine Corps E-8). Huge difference between a 1st Shirt and a buck Sgt (Army/Marine Corps E-5). Although in the cartoon he looks way too young to be a First Sgt, so it's probably likely he's only a Sgt in the cartoon.

Or the writers don't know the difference. Given the other confusion with rank/saluting/"sir/ma'm" inaccuracies, it wouldn't surprise me. Not that it really matters, it is a kids' show.

Side note- didn't love it/didn't hate it. I like the character designs, and the action is decent. I'll probably watch it again.

[Trooper13]

Duke's always been a First Sergeant (Army/Marine Corps E-8). Huge difference between a 1st Shirt and a buck Sgt (Army/Marine Corps E-5). Although in the cartoon he looks way too young to be a First Sgt, so it's probably likely he's only a Sgt in the cartoon.

Or the writers don't know the difference. Given the other confusion with rank/saluting/"sir/ma'm" inaccuracies, it wouldn't surprise me. Not that it really matters, it is a kids' show.

Side note- didn't love it/didn't hate it. I like the character designs, and the action is decent. I'll probably watch it again.

For what it's worth, he looks to young to even be an E-5. I'd put him at about 20, but maybe that's just me.

[Shortfuse]

I know a lot mentioned Snake's Asian flavored themes, but did you notice Lady Jaye has a Spanish guitar theme? (Like when she pics up the phone when Duke calls)...

Oh I noticed. Overblown PC-ness on anything will always subtly revert back to racism. The Spanish guitars were annoying but so was Lady Jaye breaking into a heavy accent whenever she was being sassy or angry....yet the rest of the time the accent was non-existent. It reminded me of news anchors with hispanic last names. Their accent only comes out when they say their name.

What is it with all the ethnicity changes in GI JOE lately. Was there something wrong with a white Lady Jaye or Ripcord? Are the show's creators so unimaginative that they couldn't actually do a quick check through the diverse Joe ranks to find an existing hispanic character (Zap comes to mind) or *GASP* actually create a new hispanic character? That might take some time and imagination....we can't have that! I realize that this is a new interpretation of GIJOE and that it is TV and TV does like to be the most PC it can be but they still shouldn't mess with these great established characters so much.

As far as the show goes. I liked the story and characters (despite some unnecessary changes). For the most part the characterization was good. Mindbender could have been less annoying and maybe older. I think I liked him the least....and that says something since the Ripcord character was based off the Wayan's version from the Rise of Cobra. I think Flint and Tunnel Rat were my favorites in this incarnation. Mostly because of them remaining somewhat true to the source material. The show didn't dumb everything down like Sigma 6 did. The animation was okay but I think the character design is kinda ugly and overly stylized. The uniforms and clothing were fine but the faces were not very appealing. Aside from the black characters, everyone else looked Asian and as far as I know, only Tunnel Rat was supposed to. I think this could be the shows weakest link as far as attracting viewers. And what was up with Duke's hair? For that matter...WHY DID MINDBENDER HAVE HAIR AND HAWK DID NOT?!!

The show is interesting so far and I think I'll keep watching despite ugly faces just to see where it goes.

[midgettem1]

For what it's worth, he looks to young to even be an E-5. I'd put him at about 20, but maybe that's just me.

I made E-5 at 23, but I enlisted at 18, so after 5 years in. It's actually not too unusual. Depending on MOS. Some promote faster than others, for example, communications MOS tend to promote faster than the grunts. So… you're right he is a little young to be an infantry Sgt. But if he's as kick-ass, gung-ho super grunt as he's supposed to be, he could probably do it by early 20s

[Trooper13]

I made E-5 at 23, but I enlisted at 18, so after 5 years in. It's actually not too unusual. Depending on MOS. Some promote faster than others, for example, communications MOS tend to promote faster than the grunts. So… you're right he is a little young to be an infantry Sgt. But if he's as kick-ass, gung-ho super grunt as he's supposed to be, he could probably do it by early 20s

I guess, but that was something else we were discussing. I don't see any of these guys as being "super soldiers". The Joe we knew were all the "best of the best", but this is supposed to be the story of how they become that unit. Duke doesn't strike me as all that competent, to be honest. He's got guts, sure, but he's not the "soldier's soldier" we grew up with. Atleast, not yet.

Maybe it's just the art style that makes him come off so young, but he honestly doesn't even look over 20 to me. Then again, I went in at 17, and that was forever ago, so my perception of people's ages might be off. I always forgot that most of my peers were older then I was.

[midgettem1]

^fair assessment. You're right, it doesn't really match up with the story-line if he's on the fast-track to promotion. I was just going off the little we've seen of his background- IE the O course they were running when he received his orders. He seemed to blow by everyone else. But that was just a little 5 second bit, so who knows.

[Trooper13]

^fair assessment. You're right, it doesn't really match up with the story-line if he's on the fast-track to promotion. I was just going off the little we've seen of his background- IE the O course they were running when he received his orders. He seemed to blow by everyone else. But that was just a little 5 second bit, so who knows.

No doubt he likely excels at the physical skills of being a soldier, but the way he reacted to pressure, and Scarlet's authority weren't very professional.

This Duke, to me, seems like a kid with something to prove. It's going to take him a bit to grow into the tough, but fair top sergeant we know. While this is a new continuity, I think we'll see much of these characters grow to be much like the characters we recognize. Just in this universe we get to see how they get there.

I'm not saying Duke's a bad soldier, just he's doesn't strike me as that great of an NCO. Though his concern for the men, and their condition once they got clear of the Cobra facility impressed me. So that character is definitely there, it just needs to be brought out.

Scarlet on the other hand would be a nightmare as an officer to serve under. She didn't seem to know her ass from a hole in the ground, and seemed more concerned with who she knew, and what she thought she knew, then actually any practical knowledge on how to get the mission completed.

Should be a great ride, though.

[midgettem1]

Oh, completely agree. It's not the same character as in the ARAH series- cartoon or comics. Elements are there, and you're right, maybe they will develop.

As far as professionalism is concerned, I don't think that's ever been real high on the Joe priority list- *coughBazookacough* :)

[Trooper13]

Oh, completely agree. It's not the same character as in the ARAH series- cartoon or comics. Elements are there, and you're right, maybe they will develop.

As far as professionalism is concerned, I don't think that's ever been real high on the Joe priority list- *coughBazookacough* :)

Hahhaa, fair enough. However, I really HOPE that they aren't planning on copying the type of nonsense from the Sunbow days.

[nickvree]

Overall I thought it was great (missed the first 10 minutes of the second episode though, grrr)

I will say that I really liked the voice actors they chose, great job of representing the characters and similar to their counterparts in ARAH (thinking Duke, Baroness, and Scarlett mostly)

[midgettem1]

Hopefully not. If they keep the team this size, it shouldn't be too bad.

My other question is how SE fits into all this. I'm sure that's about to be explored though.

[Adamantite]

What did the women of the tank think of Renegades?

I would like to hear from Chari, Sam, Baroness, Sweetness and everyone else.

[dj7000]

anyone know if hub is gonna go HD?

[CVdelgado]

hey i just watched all the episodes on you tube with my 3 year old son.

WE BOTH LOVED THEM.

some of the things i thought would bother me just from watching the previews really didnt.

duke is cool. i thought he handled scarlet well. his only mistake was blowing up the cobra lab instead of just leaving. he made some other good decisions. this duke is young and has plenty of time to grow as a leader. is he voiced by TFA optimus prime?

tunnel rat is great. he was always my #2 right behind old shipwreck. i love the character and the jibs and jabs.

ripcord was cool while he lasted.

hawk is a little disappointing. he needs to help these "regular joes" out.

dr mindbender sounds just like headmaster from TFA, but thats ok cause i loved that guy. he had some funny lines and was believable, not too over the top for a cartoon.

lady jaye is great!

im kinda reserved about the whole duke/flint conflict, i hope they can work it out and become buddies. flint was always one of my favorites. i hope they dont make him like sentinel prime in TFA.

heres a complaint... snake eyes needs to do more slashing on those bio-vipers and not so much posing.

ALLIN ALL BIG THUMBS UP CANT WAIT FOR MORE AND THE DVDS TOBE RELEASED. not sure what to do about toys when they come...

[TU482]

I thought it was a homage to the writer of the book "GI JOE vs Cobra: The Essential Guide" by Pablo Hidalgo

Yeah, the character even looks like Pablo Hidalgo, so I imagine that was the animators' intent. I just finished watching Transformers Prime as well and SPOILER WARNING

SPOILER!

SPOILER!

There, I suppose that's sufficient spoiler warning (though it happens so quickly it isn't very surprising). Anyway, Cliffjumper dies. In the first five minutes. I find it odd that the production teams of these two cartoons try to add emotional weight to the shows by killing off characters that we barely had time to become attached to (though I admit I was fond of Ripcord's joking).

[Troynos]

I find it odd that the production teams of these two cartoons try to add emotional weight to the shows by killing off characters that we barely had time to become attached to (though I admit I was fond of Ripcord's joking).


I don't think it's meant to add emotional weight so much as it's being done to say:

1- no one is safe
2- people/t-formers will die in these series

The idea isn't to kill off someone we're attached to, it's to kill someone off with some weight (someone we thought, from everything we had seen, to be a major character) to show that it can happen to anyone at anytime.


It's kind of nice to have a cartoon with some risk to it.

[Dirtbag]

I don't know why this is such a common complaint. If you were faced with a seemingly unstoppable killing machine, I'd think you'd want to do whatever you could to at least slow it the fuck down until you could think of something better, which is exactly what they did do.

Quote for logic

[Troynos]

Zef should know better then to use logic around here.


Besides, shooting and slicing it was effective. It would cut it/blow it to pieces and it would take time to come together again.

That's a helluva lot better then just standing there with dumb looks on your faces as the thing advances on you.

[General Hawk]

Wow, I can't believe we're at 95 pages...

I'm stoked we're at 95 pages. The only thing worse than negativity is ambivilance. I must admit I was a bit concerned leading up to the series that folks simply just wouldn't care. The fact that folks actually care enough to talk about the first 2 episodes for 95 pages is awesome.

Can't wait to see what else is coming.

Justin

[CVdelgado]

about 40 pages of that was catfighting...

[Troynos]

And judging by the poll, Renegades is a hit.

[ChaplainAsst]

I don't know why this is such a common complaint. If you were faced with a seemingly unstoppable killing machine, I'd think you'd want to do whatever you could to at least slow it the f down until you could think of something better, which is exactly what they did do.

But they already thought they knew how to stop it just a few minutes before. I say thought because it clearly didn't work the second time - I mean, of course, electricity. The whole slicing thing slowing him down would have made more sense if SE didn't POSE every time he sliced him. In fact, if it was just to slow him down, why not keep slicing and dicing and not sheath the swords each time as if it to say, "That will do it." Let's be honest: the cartoonists did it to make SE look cool. And kids maybe ate up. They did it WAAAY too often, and you didn't get the sense anyone was planning anything in the meantime - and they came upon a solution very quick when they realized, perhaps even verbalized, that what they were doing wasn't working. I know, I know, you guys keep saying its a cartoon, and then rationalizing solutions for every issue in the cartoon so please don't say that anymore - or stop coming up with your own solutions.

My opinion is simple: it was better than I expected, but could get a lot better as it goes. The two part pilot was flawed - particularly the opening, which wasn't really coherent. But the 2nd half was a lot better.

[firefly069]

This is a very well done cartoon. Is it perfect, and totally accurate to what we are used to. Probably not, but neither was Resolute and it was pretty good as well.

This cartoon, is already way better than the Dic series, and most of the ARAH series and it's only 2 episodes in.

This could go a long way to reinvigorating the brand. Adults can watch it, but they made it a little softer than resolute so it would resonate for kids as well.

I bet even the toys will be decent. Overall, I am impressed and hope it goes longer than the initial run!

[Zefram]

Quote for logic

Besides, shooting and slicing it was effective. It would cut it/blow it to pieces and it would take time to come together again.

That's a helluva lot better then just standing there with dumb looks on your faces as the thing advances on you.

And on my second viewing last night, I noticed they actually did try quite a few things in between rounds of suppressive fire/slicing.

In the first encounter after shooting/slicing didn't work (Duke even tried to blow its head off from the inside), Duke let a grenade go off inside it. Presumably that didn't stop it permanently, but it slowed it down.

Then they blew up the entire complex to shut down the experiments and at least one survived.

They find out electricity hurts it, but they would likely need a lot more than one power line to completely destroy one.

Not having an entire building to blow up this time (or a spare black dude to throw at it) then they use a thresher (which would have at least bought them more time by pureeing it) to herd it into the "Cobra-lazor-fence-of-instant-death" and even that only caused it to fall back to feed and reform.

Finally after shooting, slicing, blowing up, electrocuting, and finally obliterating it, they resort to chemical warfare to poison it. And then even after they blew up the poison inside it, Roadblock and others were even spraying the leftover bits. I'd say that Duke and the Joes were pretty damn thorough in trying different ways to kill a monster with relatively unknown properties.

Before the final fight even got underway, we saw Tunnel Rat herd the civilians to safety so they could fight the thing all out without worrying about collateral damage. That's a level of forethought I don't even see in most live-action productions, so overall I was impressed with the overall level of intelligence the story showed.

[Griff]

What is this about "killing THE black guy"?

Ripcord is one of TWO "black guys". Roadblock is alive and well and I'd wager Ripcord will be back. This wasn't a typical kill off "the black guy" just because someone has to die scenario.

Hasbro has gone to great pains to make sure that all races are represented in so much as changing the very race of Lady Jaye. Those that aren't represented, will probably show up at one point. There's no favoritism or racism being displayed here. Relax.

hey roadblock is still alive. and they have tunnel rat for the annoying sidekick role, scarlett for the bitch role, duke for the "leader" and snake eyes for the badass role. I think weems was tossed in so people who wanted to see him die in roc could finally get their wish. i know it put a big ol' smile on my face.

[Blue Ninja]

Duke's always been a First Sergeant (Army/Marine Corps E-8). Huge difference between a 1st Shirt and a buck Sgt (Army/Marine Corps E-5). Although in the cartoon he looks way too young to be a First Sgt, so it's probably likely he's only a Sgt in the cartoon.

Or the writers don't know the difference. Given the other confusion with rank/saluting/"sir/ma'm" inaccuracies, it wouldn't surprise me. Not that it really matters, it is a kids' show.

Side note- didn't love it/didn't hate it. I like the character designs, and the action is decent. I'll probably watch it again.

I did think it was very cool that Lady Jaye was an officer, since everyone was saluting her and calling her ma'am. (Execpt Duke, who saluted and then called her by a nickname, which I thought was very unmilitary for someone who just gave him orders.) then flint refers to her a a sgt. (I suppose she was a higher ranking sgt. than Duke--I don't recall)
No, they didn't pay much attention to military realism.

[Zefram]

What is this about "killing THE black guy"?

Ripcord is one of TWO "black guys". Roadblock is alive and well...

So it's okay as long as they have a spare? ;)

I'm kinda kicking myself because in retrospect I honestly should have seen it coming in the previews, as you almost never see a team that small with two of one minority represented, and since the only Asian, Tunnel Rat, already filled the role of "deapan snarker", Ripcord was redundant as the funnyman from the start, so he was statistically most likely to make the heroic sacrifice.

I know, I spend way too much time studying storytelling conventions. >_>;

I did think it was very cool that Lady Jaye was an officer, since everyone was saluting her and calling her ma'am. (Execpt Duke, who saluted and then called her by a nickname, which I thought was very unmilitary for someone who just gave him orders.)

True, but it's also apparent they're pretty tight, so they're probably a little more relaxed around each-other when nobody is looking.

[Blue Ninja]

For what it's worth, he looks to young to even be an E-5. I'd put him at about 20, but maybe that's just me.
Yeah, but these days you can go into basic as an E-3 (I've even heard with promises of e-4 upon AIT graduation). So, if you're as uber as duke should be, no problem.

[Blue Ninja]

I made E-5 at 23, but I enlisted at 18, so after 5 years in. It's actually not too unusual. Depending on MOS. Some promote faster than others, for example, communications MOS tend to promote faster than the grunts. So… you're right he is a little young to be an infantry Sgt. But if he's as kick-ass, gung-ho super grunt as he's supposed to be, he could probably do it by early 20s

If saving Lady Jaye's life was a combat medal worthy, then it could have come with a promotion as well. Of course, there are no details on that save yet, but it was big enough for her to mutiny, so I would bet there was a shiny star or CMoH involved.

[kennywr22]

Just wanted to let everyone know that msn has a little description for episode 6 now. Duke goes home to protect his family from cobra, and the team infiltrates cobras christmas part.. interesting.


G.I. Joe Renegades - 'Homecoming: Part 1' Episode Info - MSN TV (http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode.aspx?episode=d4201b57-d7e4-48b6-80cc-3171ef9103dd)

[ravage28]

It is a great start to the series. However i feel like the writers may close themsleves in with this approach. Hopefully not!

[Saboteur]

So it's okay as long as they have a spare? ;)

I'm kinda kicking myself because in retrospect I honestly should have seen it coming in the previews, as you almost never see a team that small with two of one minority represented, and since the only Asian, Tunnel Rat, already filled the role of "deapan snarker", Ripcord was redundant as the funnyman from the start, so he was statistically most likely to make the heroic sacrifice.

I know, I spend way too much time studying storytelling conventions. >_>;




I think you misunderstood my point. But I think it's all moot, because I'd bet on Ripcord making a return.

[vadersquest]

I think you misunderstood my point. But I think it's all moot, because I'd bet on Ripcord making a return.
Yeah, he will be back......I hope.......
The only thing that concerns me is Bazooka died in Resolute so who knows what the writers have up their sleeves.

[Clem]

While it's true that we make an effort of making the cast of the show as diverse as possible, very often we'll make someone a different ethnicity simply for storytelling purposes, just so you can easily tell everybody apart even when wearing clothes that aren't their usual outfit. On more cartoony shows like the Simpson and Family guy you can easily tell everybody apart because of their radically different silhouettes, but on more realistic shows, especially one where 75% of the characters are wearing military style outfits, you have to use every trick in the book including skin tone, hair color, and accents to make everybody instantly recognizable, especially the main cast.

[Saboteur]

Yeah, he will be back......I hope.......
The only thing that concerns me is Bazooka died in Resolute so who knows what the writers have up their sleeves.

Bazooka's gonna die in Renegades!

[manicmotive]

Renegades isn't bad. I can say that much. For a kid's cartoon that 30 somethings can dig as well, I'd say they're doing a good job. My biggest gripe? The female's noses. Yeah, that bothers me a bit. They look kinda weird.

[Tuskegee Joe]

Adding on the topic of advance grade, Duke's fast advance is not too far-fetched. If a recuit served a couple years in the NDCC, JROTC, or USN Cadet Corps program, they are eligible as enlisted personel for advanced grade of E-2 (PV2). I vividly remember this for I was eligible for that stipulation / advanced grade.

[General Hawk]

While it's true that we make an effort of making the cast of the show as diverse as possible, very often we'll make someone a different ethnicity simply for storytelling purposes, just so you can easily tell everybody apart even when wearing clothes that aren't their usual outfit. On more cartoony shows like the Simpson and Family guy you can easily tell everybody apart because of their radically different silhouettes, but on more realistic shows, especially one where 75% of the characters are wearing military style outfits, you have to use every trick in the book including skin tone, hair color, and accents to make everybody instantly recognizable, especially the main cast.

That's some great insight. When explained like this, it makes perfect sense.

Thanks for the info, Clem.

Justin

[speedocub]

I dont care if Ripcord is black or white, I just don't like the smart ass joker that ROC ripcord was and this new one is. Plucky comic relief went out with Jar Jar.

[1SGHauser]

I thought Renegades was great.... especially given that i thought RoC left a bad vibe in the Joe continuum.

Sure, it was re-envisioned and styleized but it has some serious potential and I like most of what I saw...

Mindbender was a tool... Ripcord I hope stays dead and Flint is too much Taller than Duke. That said, I like the A-Team vibe it has and can't wait to see more... Who knows, it may very well go to a place I loath but until then I'm excited to have a new Joe cartoon that isn't Sigma Shit.

[Jay West]

Bazooka is the Kenny of GI Joe continuities.

[Zefram]

While it's true that we make an effort of making the cast of the show as diverse as possible, very often we'll make someone a different ethnicity simply for storytelling purposes, just so you can easily tell everybody apart even when wearing clothes that aren't their usual outfit. On more cartoony shows like the Simpson and Family guy you can easily tell everybody apart because of their radically different silhouettes, but on more realistic shows, especially one where 75% of the characters are wearing military style outfits, you have to use every trick in the book including skin tone, hair color, and accents to make everybody instantly recognizable, especially the main cast.

Makes sense, as even in the classic series they tended to paint with rather broad strokes to make each character as unique and iconic as possible. Can't imagine it was an easy job pulling that off without making everyone a caricature. The amount of subtlety in the characters voices and mannerisms while still making them unique actually surprised me (especially Adler's CC)

Wasn't even expecting an official answer to this, so good looks to Clem.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/win/threaddeliverspieyn2.jpg

Who knows, it may very well go to a place I loath but until then I'm excited to have a new Joe cartoon that isn't Sigma Shit.

I still want a Sigma 6 Scarlet, Long Range, and Jinx. :P

[Blue Ninja]

Well, now that I finally reached the end of this, I feel I can give my impressions:

Loved it. The animation wasn't a style I would have chosen, but can live with. The story is a great reimaging, especially the Cobra Industries. Most plausible way for Cobra to grow and get the tech they do. (think about it, even with the backing of oil companies, sheiks, criminal organizations and entire countries, al Quada isn't flying around in freshly painted A-10s or using the latest weapons and experimental tanks and robots)

Having a small team of Joes on the run is an often beginning point I used in my own stories, so I guess I'm partial.

I loved seeing Hawk as an aging warhorse. Although, I didn't like how that old "C" cap looked on him. I thought he felt very John Wayne.

Liked the back and forth between Duke and Scarlett.

Liked that they revamped Mindbender, but thought he was a bit of a punk. But he is a villain and your not supposed to like him.

Like Flint and Duke as enemies/rivals.

Loved Snake Eyes, of course.

Baroness was nice, although I was hoping for more of a relationship between her and Hawk. The way she came on to him, I thought if a "sleeping with the enemy" subplot was happening, but I don't think so in afterthought.

The commander...? Maybe a little too 80s with that last line.

MARS weapons cache...cool, but why does it include a crossbow?

Paintballing! Bonus!

Nicknames...At first, I thought that being special forces (although not joes) operators, they would be familiar with code names, hence "Lady Jaye" and "Duke." If Scarlett was an agent, then she should be, but, heck, they were saluting sergeants.
So, whatever. As for Ripcord handing them out like tic tac, don't we all know someone who does that?

Body armor: glad the designers included it and the writers used it.

Hoping to see the vehicle toys, but Fall 2011? Might be too late to keep the kiddies involved.

Like it, but am eager to see more and worried that it might not get better/ might get worse.