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Monk
11-11-2010, 01:37 AM
:/ I just finished watching all the Sunbow episodes and was that really the last episode? "Into your tent I will silently creep" was that episode that was supposed to lead into the movie? or did the cartoon just stop and then they made movie?

Maybe some of you canon/mythos guys could set me straight *looks at shogi*

Don't rail on me about how the cartoon was at best "schmeh" I enjoyed watching them for what they were, but that last episode left scratching my head.

Now for you Marvel guys don't worry I am on #29 and as much as I thought the cartoon was fun, I like the comics more. :)

Shogi
11-11-2010, 01:53 AM
Yep, that's the end of the sunbow TV series, then came the movie, then DiC. DiC slightly keeps some continuity with the movie in the first mini series (Slightly meaning, Cobra Commander's storyline and nothing else)

The jump from season 2 to the movie is much like the jump from TV to movie in Transformers except that with GI Joe it was a bit more natural since there weren't many new guys all of a sudden acting like they've been on the team for years (I'm looking at you Kup, Hot Rod, Springer & Arcee)

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
11-11-2010, 01:59 AM
Its not meant to segway into the movie...sadly they just never planned it that way...Transformers is the same way. Maybe worse as there's no explaination why we have all sorts of new characters and why most of the combiners are missing, we have an Autobot city that had a figure that could transform into a robot, but not in the film...in fact he didn't change into robot form until the season began.

At least with G.I. Joe and The Movie its simply like one mission ended and another mission began. For the most part all the new characters are introduced in the film as new characters. In Transformers we have no explaination at all.

Monk
11-11-2010, 02:04 AM
Thanks Shogi & Lonely BAT. Now I won't go crazy! I guess I'll have to live with what Sunbow gave us.

Steelgrave
11-11-2010, 02:06 AM
The jump from season 2 to the movie is much like the jump from TV to movie in Transformers except that with GI Joe it was a bit more natural since there weren't many new guys all of a sudden acting like they've been on the team for years (I'm looking at you Kup, Hot Rod, Springer & Arcee)

There were a ton of other Autobots that were on the team that didn't go to Earth on the Ark.

CVdelgado
11-11-2010, 02:25 AM
sunbow was great. marvel is great too. so is idw. im easy to please. roc was even cool. lol.

Blaster'spunchingbagg
11-11-2010, 02:27 AM
There were a ton of other Autobots that were on the team that didn't go to Earth on the Ark.

That's how the media tie-ins explain it, but it is very negligible. As a child I had to just sit there and be quiet about it all because it was all I had. Now as an adult I'm ready to call full on shananigans on the Transformers and G.I.Joe
show to film. I like that the continuations kept some of the continuity, but it urked me to no end the raw hides were not included in the DIC series. I think they basically had these "new" characters to sell more toys. Basically they had counterparts too,
Falcon/Hot Rod,(rebels) Ultra Magnus/Law and Order, (respected) Springer/Tunnel Rat,(show offs) Big Lob/Kup,(? can't figure it) Jinx/Arcee,(the girl) Chuckles/Blurr (doesn't talk and talks too much).

Back then you either liked them or hated them. My buddy who grew up with joe at it's prime 82-86 saw the new guys as blasphemy, I bitch and moan that there is no Jinx or decent law and order figures in the modern line and he says, "who gives a F*ck?" Yeah, I know my buddies can be dicks. lol :(

Monk
11-11-2010, 02:32 AM
sunbow was great. marvel is great too. so is idw. im easy to please. roc was even cool. lol.

delgado, I have to agree. I think they all have their place, but I wish Sunbow had ended a bit better. Now it's time for me to watch all the DiC episodes!

KingBiohazerd
11-11-2010, 03:36 AM
I wonder if they will ever relese the dic cartoons I enjoyed them

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
11-11-2010, 04:32 AM
That's how the media tie-ins explain it, but it is very negligible. As a child I had to just sit there and be quiet about it all because it was all I had. Now as an adult I'm ready to call full on shananigans on the Transformers and G.I.Joe
show to film. I like that the continuations kept some of the continuity, but it urked me to no end the raw hides were not included in the DIC series. I think they basically had these "new" characters to sell more toys. Basically they had counterparts too,
Falcon/Hot Rod,(rebels) Ultra Magnus/Law and Order, (respected) Springer/Tunnel Rat,(show offs) Big Lob/Kup,(? can't figure it) Jinx/Arcee,(the girl) Chuckles/Blurr (doesn't talk and talks too much).

Back then you either liked them or hated them. My buddy who grew up with joe at it's prime 82-86 saw the new guys as blasphemy, I bitch and moan that there is no Jinx or decent law and order figures in the modern line and he says, "who gives a F*ck?" Yeah, I know my buddies can be dicks. lol :(


Yeah one of my favorite things is Transformers goes from a season packed with combiners, then fans that went to see the movie which was only in theaters for like a week, were like WTF who are all these new guys...and the poor bastards that DIDN'T see the movie in theaters were COMPLETELY confused with season 3.

LOL

VideoViper
11-11-2010, 08:30 AM
TF may have been in the movie theatre for only 1 week or 2 but It was great seeing that on the big screen.

As stated above, the new season (In this case movie/intro to the new season) was always about introducing the new charactors who replaced the old ones.

In TF their answer was to kill them all off, (They're robots so they can't really die right???) Wrong, Going from no one ever gets hurt to watching all your favorites getting killed off left & Right was awesome. The 20 year gap legitimizes why the news guy have been "Around for awhile"

The production of TF the movie actually happened at the same time as Season 2 so certain things like the combiners were left out because they didn't exist yet when the Movie script was written. (They didn't even have character designs yet for movie charactors, UM could have been a truck or a bike for all they cared)

GI Joe was written as if it was another episode, as the last episode of that season probably was in some form of production when the Movie was in production.

JoeMama
11-11-2010, 08:51 AM
sunbow was great. marvel is great too. so is idw. im easy to please. roc was even cool. lol.

gimmee some of your hippie happy crack.

Lifeline 71
11-11-2010, 09:09 AM
To me, one of the better things about the Joe movie was how they introduced the new characters, rather than just having them show up. The whole series was pretty much like that, but Transformers at times just had new characters like the Wave 2 cars and mini vehicles appear suddenly. On the other hand, TF was able to transition to a very dark season 3, while the Joes were left hanging. I've heard about what was planned for Joe season 3, and it could've been interesting.

BigFore
11-11-2010, 09:42 AM
Wasn't there a Japanese "prequel" to the TF Movie that explained most of gap between Season 2 and the Movie?

Shogi
11-11-2010, 10:02 AM
Wasn't there a Japanese "prequel" to the TF Movie that explained most of gap between Season 2 and the Movie?

Yeah, "Scramble City" they included it on the Sony release of Transformers the Movie DVD....unfortunately, there's no sound or subtitles, just a bunch of fans talking about what's going on in the cartoon. I haven't been able to watch it all the way through because I get the impression that the fans commenting on it don't really know what's happening either :(

I also want to say that at one point they (like groups of fans are prone to do) start arguing about little facts about the cartoon

Lantern_Lad
11-11-2010, 10:04 AM
I wish Sunbow would have produced Season 3 like they had originally planned. I think GI Joe would have been stronger for it.

From Joe Headquarters.com & my memory of Yearbook #3

Season Three (1987-1988): The Season That Never Was

I waited and waited for new episodes after GI Joe the Movie and after Transformers had their "Rebirth", but there were none.


BUT there appears to have been plans in the work for another season and perhaps even scripts were written. Some of these scripts might have been bought and used by DIC (since some of the DIC episodes were written by Sunbow writers). But most of the ideas and intentions for this unproduced last season of GI Joe never made to the screen.


G.I. Joe story editor Buzz Dixon had this to say in an 1987 article about the G.I. Joe cartoon:

What will happen to G.I. Joe and Cobra on television in 1987?

"Changes," Buzz Dixon said. "Expect Cobra to be dramatically restructured. It will not resemble the Cobra of before. There will be big changes with G.I.Joe. The Rawhides and Renegades will be introduced, and will play a big part. Another thing is that 1987 will premiere a whole new series of high-tech vehicles for both Joes and Cobra. They will reflect the big upwards shift in the nature of the G.I.Joe/Cobra conflict"

From G.I. Joe Yearbook # 3 March, 1987
I had the opportunity to ask Mr. Dixon more about this when I interviewed him for the UGIJCW:
Jodie: Were there ever any plans for a third season of G.I. Joe, with the characters from the movie?

Buzz: Mike Hill, who was on staff at the time, made a brilliant proposal to send the Joes off after a somewhat new foe called The Coil for the never made Sunbow season three (there was a DIC season three, but they never bothered to ask for any input from me or Flint or Steve and frankly, we were just as glad). As I recall, Mike's idea was that following the Movie, Cobra would be shattered as a world-wide organization. Under the guidance of Tomax and Xamot, a new organization called The Coil (much more criminal in nature than military) would be formed, picking and choosing among the best of the surviving Cobra units. Cobra-La was utterly wiped out, no survivors, except for Cobra Commander, who would be slithering about in the background for the first half of season three as some sinister character of shifting alliances, then be revealed in severely mutated form in the second half. He would be playing the Joes and The Coil against one another in an attempt to destroy both and rebuild Cobra.

Sunbow season three was never made. Hasbro had been funding G.I. Joe out of their own pocket; they got a ridiculous deal from DIC to take over the series and they pretty much let them. The story behind DIC is much too long to go into here; suffice it to say these guys may not have been 100% responsible for the destruction of the animation industry in the late eighties but they sure helped!

I think it would have been amazing.

Monk
11-11-2010, 10:40 AM
I wonder if they will ever relese the dic cartoons I enjoyed them

I was able to gather all the DIC episodes.

Jettfire
11-11-2010, 10:43 AM
Even as a kid, I always wanted to know about the "lost" episodes between the end of the season and the movie. Probably moreso with the Transformers. I knew there was a huge leap and that stuff must have gone down.

holyfrog
11-11-2010, 12:12 PM
:/ Now for you Marvel guys don't worry I am on #29 and as much as I thought the cartoon was fun, I like the comics more. :)

I envy you if this is your first time through the comic there is some good stuff coming up. I liked the teens and early 20s the best in the comics. The 40s and 50s were pretty good also.

kneroh
11-11-2010, 12:13 PM
I can't think of a single cartoon from back in the day that had a definitive ending point or a typical last episode.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
11-11-2010, 12:19 PM
I wish Sunbow would have produced Season 3 like they had originally planned. I think GI Joe would have been stronger for it.

From Joe Headquarters.com & my memory of Yearbook #3


I think it would have been amazing.

I have never heard about that season's plot before...I wish it had been made, sounds great!

RolandofGilead
11-11-2010, 12:20 PM
TF may have been in the movie theatre for only 1 week or 2 but It was great seeing that on the big screen.

As stated above, the new season (In this case movie/intro to the new season) was always about introducing the new charactors who replaced the old ones.

In TF their answer was to kill them all off, (They're robots so they can't really die right???) Wrong, Going from no one ever gets hurt to watching all your favorites getting killed off left & Right was awesome. The 20 year gap legitimizes why the news guy have been "Around for awhile"

The production of TF the movie actually happened at the same time as Season 2 so certain things like the combiners were left out because they didn't exist yet when the Movie script was written. (They didn't even have character designs yet for movie charactors, UM could have been a truck or a bike for all they cared)

GI Joe was written as if it was another episode, as the last episode of that season probably was in some form of production when the Movie was in production.

I never had a problem with the "sudden" changes in the roster for the Transformers movie. For one thing, don't they say it's years later? Little Spike is now an adult with a kid of his own, the Autobots have made Autobot City a stronghold on earth while the Decepticons have taken complete control of Cybertron. Of course they'll be new characters, and I think it was genius to keep them looking more like classic cybertron vehicles instead of new cars and trucks from earth as they didn't need to get reconfigured by Teletran-1.

Falcone
12-06-2010, 05:25 PM
I think the transition from Into Your Tent and the movie is pretty good. In the final episode there were hints of The Coil and Cobra Commander's ambitions. Most of the command staff is on the Commander's side at this point (probably because of Serpentors failures in season 2). The Commander's plan fails, and I assume this turns all the command staff against him once again. In the episode Serpentor is showing signs of severe frustration, which can account for the beginning of the movie when he gathers all his agents and command staff together.

kolobosrexx
12-06-2010, 06:17 PM
I can't think of a single cartoon from back in the day that had a definitive ending point or a typical last episode.

...There was "Thundercats"!! Notable for having a continuous story-arc from start to finish, more character-development than most shows of the time, AND a definitive resolution and ending! Animes like "Voltron" & "Robotech" could be included but don't quite count, as they're "imports" and pretty much ALL animes are conceived & written as finite storylines...

Jmacq1
12-06-2010, 06:33 PM
As I recall, "Inhumanoids" had a relatively decent ending...or at least ended on a episode that could be taken as an "ending" without completely negating the possibility of further stories.

jeff_duke
12-12-2010, 12:12 PM
There was no GIJoe movie in 1987. It never happened. It was just a bad dream that mixed Art Bell with Terence McKenna. The last episode of the series was Into Your Tent I Will Silently Creep.

DIC never happened either.

Shin-Gouki
12-12-2010, 12:37 PM
TF may have been in the movie theatre for only 1 week or 2 but It was great seeing that on the big screen.


Transformers: The Movie lasted a full month in LA.

luigi
12-12-2010, 12:49 PM
There was no GIJoe movie in 1987. It never happened. It was just a bad dream that mixed Art Bell with Terence McKenna. The last episode of the series was Into Your Tent I Will Silently Creep.

DIC never happened either.

then explain this\/
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06maX0zKz_8)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGEcvFqdXa8&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmFrnWSvQ8&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLs8tja9pgw&feature=related)
YouTube - GI JOE MOVIE PT 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NbQp7-Gsg&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4wnwtrTjc4&feature=related)
YouTube - GI JOE MOVIE PT 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4wNtNGfjA&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdGqN_PnqqU&feature=related)
YouTube - GI JOE MOVIE PT 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_A4aVWKdCg&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 1 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlJDEZgC1t0&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 1 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReyoWR1U5WY&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 1 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB-bX3dAuBQ&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 2 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UL3RCq1q-M&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 2 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4CsZfkgFzM&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 2 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9fbukhaNvg&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 3 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOG9iamXRc&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 3 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOBSaeytbM&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 3 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O29oWPTIUhc&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 4 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-OWXSCnEg&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 4 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijpc6H1etH0&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 4 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmqNdTPNaiQ&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 5 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKdI4sAtIy4&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 5 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol9h4PhJbCQ&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 5 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQm9jYLQXQQ&feature=related)

jeff_duke
12-13-2010, 12:40 PM
then explain this\/
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06maX0zKz_8)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGEcvFqdXa8&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmFrnWSvQ8&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLs8tja9pgw&feature=related)
YouTube - GI JOE MOVIE PT 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NbQp7-Gsg&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4wnwtrTjc4&feature=related)
YouTube - GI JOE MOVIE PT 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4wNtNGfjA&feature=related)
YouTube - G.I. JOE Movie PT 8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdGqN_PnqqU&feature=related)
YouTube - GI JOE MOVIE PT 9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_A4aVWKdCg&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 1 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlJDEZgC1t0&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 1 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReyoWR1U5WY&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 1 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB-bX3dAuBQ&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 2 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UL3RCq1q-M&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 2 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4CsZfkgFzM&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 2 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9fbukhaNvg&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 3 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOG9iamXRc&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 3 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOBSaeytbM&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 3 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O29oWPTIUhc&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 4 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A-OWXSCnEg&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 4 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijpc6H1etH0&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 4 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmqNdTPNaiQ&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 5 part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKdI4sAtIy4&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 5 part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol9h4PhJbCQ&feature=related)
Operation Dragonfire day 5 part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQm9jYLQXQQ&feature=related)

I have no idea of what you speak. I see nothing, nothing at all.

Macross7
12-14-2010, 11:36 PM
I know GIJoe & Transformers are always called 30 min toy commercials. Thinking about the GIJoe movie, there were barely any new toys that came out of that. A dozen or so figures but no vehicles/bases. I'd have thought a BET would have been made.

I recently watched the DIC episodes. The Dragonfire episode has some decent stuff I wasn't expecting in a kids cartoon. The 1st DIC season was decent. Not as good as Sunbow but entertaining. Metalhead was hilarious. The 2nd DIC season was horrible. I haven't finished it yet it was so bad.

Bombardier
12-14-2010, 11:58 PM
Yep, that's the end of the sunbow TV series, then came the movie, then DiC. DiC slightly keeps some continuity with the movie in the first mini series (Slightly meaning, Cobra Commander's storyline and nothing else)

The jump from season 2 to the movie is much like the jump from TV to movie in Transformers except that with GI Joe it was a bit more natural since there weren't many new guys all of a sudden acting like they've been on the team for years (I'm looking at you Kup, Hot Rod, Springer & Arcee)

to be fair, the Transformers animated movie was set well into the future. Spike was all growed up and everything. So it's ok that there are some new Autobots in the mix.

Bombardier
12-15-2010, 12:01 AM
, but it urked me to no end the raw hides were not included in the DIC series. I think they basically had these "new" characters to sell more toys.

Falcon was a rawhide and he was also in the DIC series

Bionic Commando
12-15-2010, 12:31 AM
I wonder if they will ever relese the dic cartoons I enjoyed them

I was able to gather all the DIC episodes.

Dr. Wongburger: "You can see all the DIC you want back on DIC Planet once I finish completing my DIC Ship."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/med1um_p1mp1n/2dc41bc39bcafc388129539d2f8ac745494b89ca_full.jpg

Rice Mascots: "That whole series was just filled with a bunch of DICs"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/med1um_p1mp1n/dickrippers.jpg

07GT500 COBRA
12-15-2010, 01:07 AM
Yeah one of my favorite things is Transformers goes from a season packed with combiners, then fans that went to see the movie which was only in theaters for like a week, were like WTF who are all these new guys...and the poor bastards that DIDN'T see the movie in theaters were COMPLETELY confused with season 3.

LOL

That was definitely me. Didn't see the movie when I was a kid and was thoroughly lost.

Shin Densetsu
12-15-2010, 01:16 AM
Yeah, "Scramble City" they included it on the Sony release of Transformers the Movie DVD....unfortunately, there's no sound or subtitles, just a bunch of fans talking about what's going on in the cartoon.

Hehe...1 of those fans is our very own Tony_Bacala


Yep, that's the end of the sunbow TV series, then came the movie, then DiC. DiC slightly keeps some continuity with the movie in the first mini series (Slightly meaning, Cobra Commander's storyline and nothing else)

The jump from season 2 to the movie is much like the jump from TV to movie in Transformers except that with GI Joe it was a bit more natural since there weren't many new guys all of a sudden acting like they've been on the team for years (I'm looking at you Kup, Hot Rod, Springer & Arcee)

to be fair, the Transformers animated movie was set well into the future. Spike was all growed up and everything. So it's ok that there are some new Autobots in the mix.

With TF Movie the primary purpose of even introducing guys like Magnus, Hot Rod, Kup, et al, was to replace the old cast and make a new set of core characters to refresh the line. Whereas Hasbro used this reasoning for their ballsy move to kill Optimus, the end result wasn't reinvigorating the line but eventually killing it off.

Ronin Assassin
12-15-2010, 01:22 AM
How are you watching the DIC series......they didn't make it on dvd...pm me please...!


delgado, I have to agree. I think they all have their place, but I wish Sunbow had ended a bit better. Now it's time for me to watch all the DiC episodes!

Ioz
12-18-2010, 10:46 AM
I remember reading a Buzz Dixon interview once where he said The Coil would have been a major part of season 3 (w/ Tomax and Xamot in charge) if the show had continued with Sunbow. Cobra Commander also would have eventually came back.

JediKnutt
12-18-2010, 01:20 PM
Animated series back then never really had final episodes. A certain amount of episodes were ordered and that's how many they made. That's it. It wasn't really planned that the Sunbow series would end with the movie. DIC offered to produce the show basically for free and Hasbro jumped at it. A good example from another show is Batman Beyond. The last episode made never aired on WB. When CN got it, they massively hyped the "final, never before seen episode". Thanks to the hype and the episode has nothing to do with ending the series (plus it's not a good episode anyway) there was a lot of negative fan reaction. Now, cartoon series have seasons with storylines and finales so it doesn't happen as much. Another glaring example is Starship Trooper Chronicles. A huge cliffhanger ends the series and it was cancelled.

~Synder Corps.~
12-18-2010, 02:26 PM
True, but also thee was a huge time jump betweenseason 2 TF and the movie, then season 3 picks up after the movie. And just like the Joe comics, TF was it's own storyline, not directly related to the toons

I liked the whole "It's the year 2005" intro for the TF movie.