would you be satisfied IF...

[Crimson Guard 51]

which of the following would it take to make you happy?

remember...these are all spoilers, and not proven. well, i guess that depends on who you talk to.

it's the stuff i've gleened from this sight the last couple of weeks.

some of the ideas are more in depth, some include other choices...etc.

i'm really just looking to see what the majority of us sees as the MAIN points of contention.

[gunslingercbr]

che?

[Crimson Guard 51]

che?


you replied before i had the poll up.

check it out, then ATTACK. : )

i'm really interested to see what most of us think.

[SnakeEyes]

I think saying "characters kept basically the same" covers pretty much all of those other things...relationships, ethnicity, costumes! If they could just leave the characters alone, I'd be fine with whatever plot they came up with.

I just don't see what's so hard about taking the file cards for each character they want in the film and developing the story around them...HELL, I did it everyday when I was a kid!!! Maybe that's the problem. It's too simple!!

Why is everything so complicated now days?!!!!

[Gung.Heaux]

id be happiest with accurate costumes. i think idve been more tolerant of the transformers movie if the robots were more accurate to their cartoon counterparts....even if just in the head/face and voice depts.

i want joes american, i want scarlett/snake eyes, i want it all accurate, but i understand that changes will be made. but most of all i want it to LOOK like GI Joe....not delta force 2030.

[Crimson Guard 51]

I think saying "characters kept basically the same" covers pretty much all of those other things...relationships, ethnicity, costumes! If they could just leave the characters alone, I'd be fine with whatever plot they came up with.

I just don't see what's so hard about taking the file cards for each character they want in the film and developing the story around them...HELL, I did it everyday when I was a kid!!! Maybe that's the problem. It's too simple!!

Why is everything so complicated now days?!!!!

i totally agree with the 2nd part.

i broke the items down because i wanted to see if there was ONE hot issue, etc.

[Viper46]

MUST For the movie...

characters like their cards, or as we have seen them, know them. personalities, and such. we should recognize them without being told who they are.

Snake and Scarlett together, or at least working towards taht. it would be cool seeing that develope over the series.

snake eyes, scarlett, and Hawk should be american. most of the team should be american, but definitely those should be changed.

other than that, tell a new story.

[Loki41872]

Yeah, just using the characters filecards, which have basically been the same for 25 years would have made me happy.

Using the filecards:

All Joes would be American

Baroness would still be from some place in Europe, and NOT have some past "thing" with Duke.

MOST story elements would be the same as always.

Cobra Commander's filecard has always been a bit vague. Most of his backstory as a car salesman/disgruntled business man/military idiot came from the comics and cartoon. So they could have the origin they have written for the movie. Doesn't mean I like it. I prefer a Cobra Commander that built Cobra from the ground up and built his army of fanatical followers, rather than stealing the whole thing, ready-to-go from Destro.

If they had just used the characters filecards I think I'd be OK with about any story they came up with.

And before somebody jumps in here with the "Vietnam was too long ago, they can't use the same backstory", yes, I know. Once AGAIN, change that ONE THING to Iraq or Afghanistan. Problem solved.

[lerath666]

Exactly. They've re-made their histories and personalites 9 as far as i cvan see) to such a degree that it's only GI Joe in name at this point. Granted, this is an extreme examlple, but let me try to put it into an analogy.
I spoend millinons aquiring the btman Liscense, and here is what I do.
New Origon story. Bruce wane witness his parrents brutal murder with a baseball bat weilded by a super powered clown as a small child. as such he grows up with a terrible fear of Baseball bats and clowns. He spends all his time studingin Law, and becomes a lawyer, who's driving goal is to create legislation that outlaws the use of baseball bats by clowns. By night he walks around dressed in a giant baseball bat costume fighting crime, and hunting the clowon who killed his parrents.
what, He's still BAT-Man, isin't he? Don't you like the new story?
it's a bit of an extreme example, i'll agree, but it's what they've done, essentialy.

Thank god the incredible hulk we've got a prescident of an instant reboot after a single movie if the first one flops off the bat ( pun ntended)

But who knows, perhpas it will be a big hit, and everyone will love it.

and perhaps monkies will fly out of my butt.

Also http://www.irishjedi.com/pics/giblows/fail/07_scarlett.jpg

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

SE/Scarlett together or working to get there, like others have said.

Characters the same; SS, Baroness, SE, Scarlett included. I could care less about Ripcord honestly.

MAIN Joes American.. Would it be so hard for them to USE THE INTERNATIONAL CHARACTERS AS INTERNATIONAL CHARACTERS?!?!?!?!?!?!? Glenda, Vorona, Big Ben, Action Man. Seriously, Hollywood, you have all the tools you need to comprimize, but NOOOOOO.......

[Crimson Guard 51]

Exactly. They've re-made their histories and personalites 9 as far as i cvan see) to such a degree that it's only GI Joe in name at this point. Granted, this is an extreme examlple, but let me try to put it into an analogy.
I spoend millinons aquiring the btman Liscense, and here is what I do.
New Origon story. Bruce wane witness his parrents brutal murder with a baseball bat weilded by a super powered clown as a small child. as such he grows up with a terrible fear of Baseball bats and clowns. He spends all his time studingin Law, and becomes a lawyer, who's driving goal is to create legislation that outlaws the use of baseball bats by clowns. By night he walks around dressed in a giant baseball bat costume fighting crime, and hunting the clowon who killed his parrents.
what, He's still BAT-Man, isin't he? Don't you like the new story?
it's a bit of an extreme example, i'll agree, but it's what they've done, essentialy.

Thank god the incredible hulk we've got a prescident of an instant reboot after a single movie if the first one flops off the bat ( pun ntended)

But who knows, perhpas it will be a big hit, and everyone will love it.

and perhaps monkies will fly out of my butt.

Also http://www.irishjedi.com/pics/giblows/fail/07_scarlett.jpg

Wow...you worked hard on that one. seriously.

never saw the new batman coming...but i see the point you're making.

that's kind of how i feel with the changes.

[Mst.ChiefLampreyEel]

All of this stuff has been changed?

you know, i read the DDP comics, and every now and then they have picturews of guys in iraq posing with an issue.

i wonder how they feel about all this viva la GI Josephine crap?

why did they try to fix what is not broken? this is a dream. a bad bad bad dream. a nightmare. maybe i'm dead. i'm in hell.

ok it's not that bad but i still don't like it. guess i will sit this out.

[gunslingercbr]

the great thing about the complaining about change is that you wouldn't even have RAH if someone didn't come in and say, "hey, I've got this great new direction for G.I. Joe." you simply can't complain about change when what you want to keep is the result of it.

why are they changing it? because that is what G.I. Joe does. if not, you wouldn't be clamoring for a RAH movie, because you would have grown up playing with 3 3/4" Adventure Team toys. no wait, you couldn't have, because Hasbro could never have changed the original Fighting Man into Adventure Team, so you would have been clamoring for a movie based on the 3 3/4" Fighting Man line. no wait, they couldn't have changed that, you would be clamoring for a movie based on the 12" original G.I. Joe figure, because that is all that G.I. Joe would ever have been.

[lerath666]

it's not the story i'm griping about the story is fine. the costumes a bit goofy, sure. it's the histories they're ignoreing that's got me miffed.
i guess my point is, why re-invent the wheel? a round one works, do we need an octagonal one?

[Onslaught Six]

i guess my point is, why re-invent the wheel? a round one works, do we need an octagonal one?

Yes, we do. Because octagonal wheels look cool. Shutup and drink your water.

[SnakeEyes]

the great thing about the complaining about change is that you wouldn't even have RAH if someone didn't come in and say, "hey, I've got this great new direction for G.I. Joe." you simply can't complain about change when what you want to keep is the result of it.

why are they changing it? because that is what G.I. Joe does. if not, you wouldn't be clamoring for a RAH movie, because you would have grown up playing with 3 3/4" Adventure Team toys. no wait, you couldn't have, because Hasbro could never have changed the original Fighting Man into Adventure Team, so you would have been clamoring for a movie based on the 3 3/4" Fighting Man line. no wait, they couldn't have changed that, you would be clamoring for a movie based on the 12" original G.I. Joe figure, because that is all that G.I. Joe would ever have been.

I understand your point, and even agree to a certain extent. Change is inevitable IF...IF something's broken. But I'm a firm believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"! Why is it that people feel the need to "improve" things just for the sake of "progression"?

It's kinda like busy work. I hate it! It's like you're doing something just to be doing something. What's so wrong with sitting back and enjoying the fact that everything's done? I love that feeling! When you sit back, relax, pop open a cold beer, and know that all is well!

That's what "they" need to do with this project! Sit back, relax, and understand that the hard work has been done. The characters have been developed. The costumes have been designed. Sure, take some liberty with the plot. Take some liberty with the sets. Have fun with it by all means. But you don't have to change things just to show "progression". IMO, the "progression" is in the simple fact that there will finally be a GI JOE live action movie!!

[Porkchop Sandwiches]

As long as Snow Job remains British I'm good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfO6j-TCFTs

[MAJOR WOLF]

MUST For the movie...

characters like their cards, or as we have seen them, know them. personalities, and such. we should recognize them without being told who they are.

Snake and Scarlett together, or at least working towards taht. it would be cool seeing that develope over the series.

snake eyes, scarlett, and Hawk should be american. most of the team should be american, but definitely those should be changed.

other than that, tell a new story.

I agree with that.

[Deckard]

basically like scrotum here it is in a nutshell. This movie is being based more off the designs and concepts for sigma sux (6) and tyring to make a version of gi joe that KIDS will recognize not us who actually love and enjoy the franchise. ITs all being done to make a quick buck turning once great instution into a fad like yugi oh or pokemon or what not that will go away after a few years for the most part. Sad that our great properties are being made into fads but its a sad fact that its being done more for todays audience than for us who grew up on this stuff. makes ya wanna wretch dont it? :>

P.s. I personally will never watch this movie just like i never watched any resident evil movies after that god awful pos first movie.

[Cravax Deathbringer]

What the hell are they thinking?!! Freakin Hummers?! Lame costumes, and power suits? Why does Hollywood butcher alomst everything that we love? Why do we tolerate this? At least Transformers provided us with earth and cybertronian forms. If they can't afford to design the vehicles (which sold the figures originally) properlly: DON'T MAKE THE DAMN MOVIE! Have the common courtesy to let people who actually know the franchise to write the script. Gi Joe can't possibly be a low budget movie, there are to many factors involved. This looks a freakin TV movie. Cobra is suposed to be a terrorist organization and scary. In the time we are living now this movie should be done like ID4 to motivate us into patriotism and to stand up against the real terrorist threats. We all should be able to walk into and out of this movie on an emotional high, not Sh** talking our beloved heros. They are dumbing it down to be PC of all things. The ironic part of Political Correctness is the fact that it has never been correct! Realisticly if we were to have our soil invaded (which Cobra should do in this movie) our people wouldn't last a month due to panz-if-ication. My personal opinion is that this movie is unacceptable, should be scrapped and redone. Take a note from Marvel and Batman people at least they can get it right! >:(

[spacemonkeymafia]

Take a note from Marvel and Batman people at least they can get it right! >:(

I wouldnt say They got the X Men Right.....Wolverine isnt over 6 feet tall.....Cyclops aint the wussy all 3 movies made him out to be......Iceman, Angel were original XMen.....Those movies should have been called Wolverine Guest Staring The XMen......and Storm should have been waaaaay more how do say Queen like.....or atleast have an African Accent............

[Cravax Deathbringer]

Noted. However let's face it I still have a point.

[Deckard]

well early marvel stuff may not have been perfect i wholeheartedly concur. The one thing about marvels movies is they are majorly based in the Ultimate Comics universe (i.e. nick fury being a black man instead of a white guy in the iron man movie just like he is in the ultimate comics) and unfortunately i do believe cylocps is a wuss in the ultimates series. At least in x-men they got wolvies orgins right...him being an aussie and all :> as far as this joe movie is concerned sigma six blew chunks and since sadly its the newest joe property to come out this movie will be heavily influenced by that horrid property and designs. So as i stated i will boycott this movie and demand a better more accurate joe movie which will never be made sadly. thank god for the dvds of the old cartoon and REAL joe movie :>

[Darkness2393]

But you forgot one thing:
THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE SUCKS!!!
XD

As for the X-men issue, dude, that is pure IRONY. Do you remember how much bitching there was about how the X-Men looked? I think it was slightly more than Trasformers bitching. Guys, it's ok. X-Men was awesome, and guess what? Wolverine was NOT in a yellow jumpsuit! Just breathe, relax, and enjoy the movie. The worst thing that could happen is that it's a bad movie, it won't kill G.I. Joe's reputation as being the best action hero team out there.
Remember The Hulk Movie? AVP? They blew! But they gave us apologies (AVP:R was awesome, and you know it), and I'm sure that G.I. Joe would do the same.

[Ash Talon]

the great thing about the complaining about change is that you wouldn't even have RAH if someone didn't come in and say, "hey, I've got this great new direction for G.I. Joe." you simply can't complain about change when what you want to keep is the result of it.

why are they changing it? because that is what G.I. Joe does. if not, you wouldn't be clamoring for a RAH movie, because you would have grown up playing with 3 3/4" Adventure Team toys. no wait, you couldn't have, because Hasbro could never have changed the original Fighting Man into Adventure Team, so you would have been clamoring for a movie based on the 3 3/4" Fighting Man line. no wait, they couldn't have changed that, you would be clamoring for a movie based on the 12" original G.I. Joe figure, because that is all that G.I. Joe would ever have been.

The problem with this argument is the following. The 12" original Joe line didn't have any characters. It was based on generic military uniforms. There were no developed characters or backstory. And the line lasted for about 10 years. Yes, there was that 8" offshoot line with the Atomic guys and aliens (whatever the hell that was).

Which brings us to the RAH stuff. Yes, the scale was different. And now there were characters, enemies, and a continuing story with backstories for all the major characters. And this story and these characters continued (with very brief pauses) for 25 years.

Now, the movie is taking the RAH stuff and changing it (sometimes radically). It's not that they've created all new characters and a new generation of backstory. They've altered pre-existing material. And not just to fix time/era concerns like having Vietnam-vets on the team. Stuff that in my mind is unnecessary, like Baroness and Duke having a romantic history. If they wanted a romance, just deal a little with SE/Scarlett. Not enough to take away from his SS relationship, but a little can go a long way.

Can this movie be good? Maybe. It will be interesting to see the attempt to update the characters and their environments. GI Joe is still a team of military specialists fighting an outlandish evil terrorist organization across the globe, so the basic concept is still entact. I just don't think such radical changes are warranted when the source material is so rich and detailed and has such easily recognizable characters. Why change it so much?

[spacemonkeymafia]

At least in x-men they got wolvies orgins right...him being an aussie and all


Please say your joking...........

[spacemonkeymafia]

Wolverine was NOT in a yellow jumpsuit!


Well I was always fond of the Tan and Brown one anyway........

[Ash Talon]

But you forgot one thing:
THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE SUCKS!!!
XD

As for the X-men issue, dude, that is pure IRONY. Do you remember how much bitching there was about how the X-Men looked? I think it was slightly more than Trasformers bitching. Guys, it's ok. X-Men was awesome, and guess what? Wolverine was NOT in a yellow jumpsuit! Just breathe, relax, and enjoy the movie. The worst thing that could happen is that it's a bad movie, it won't kill G.I. Joe's reputation as being the best action hero team out there.
Remember The Hulk Movie? AVP? They blew! But they gave us apologies (AVP:R was awesome, and you know it), and I'm sure that G.I. Joe would do the same.

AVP: R was actually worse that the first one, and that's really saying something. It was really, really bad.

I wouldn't used The Incredible Hulk as proof of anything, since no one has seen it yet. It could actually be worse than the Ang Lee version. We don't know yet.

I found the X-Men movies to be boring and unengaging. And their costumes were uninspired. The "yellow spandex" costume is just plain silly and sounds like a parroted defense from the production team. It wasn't a yellow spandex vs. black leather only type of situation. There are limitless ways of going about creating interesting superhero costumes for film. They took an easy and uninspired (trying to rip of Maxtrix) way out. And the black leather costumes make just as little sense in the film's reality as colored costumes would have. They serve no purpose. Why not just have the X-Men go on missions in civilian clothes if they're worried about looking "goofy"?

Not trying to make this personal, but I think those are weak arguments for defending the Joe costumes. The GI Joe movie could be acceptable or even good, but it doesn't mean I'll agree with the choices for the costumes shown so far.

[spacemonkeymafia]

AVP: R was actually worse that the first one, and that's really saying something. It was really, really bad.

I wouldn't used The Incredible Hulk as proof of anything, since no one has seen it yet. It could actually be worse than the Ang Lee version. We don't know yet.

I found the X-Men movies to be boring and unengaging. And their costumes were uninspired. The "yellow spandex" costume is just plain silly and sounds like a parroted defense from the production team. It wasn't a yellow spandex vs. black leather only type of situation. There are limitless ways of going about creating interesting superhero costumes for film. They took an easy and uninspired (trying to rip of Maxtrix) way out. And the black leather costumes make just as little sense in the film's reality as colored costumes would have. They serve no purpose. Why not just have the X-Men go on missions in civilian clothes if they're worried about looking "goofy"?

Not trying to make this personal, but I think those are weak arguments for defending the Joe costumes. The GI Joe movie could be acceptable or even good, but it doesn't mean I'll agree with the choices for the costumes shown so far.

Spidey had his costume and it looked good.......when they say that the outfits dont translate well into film thats just hollywood thinking they know more than they really do......

[Darkness2393]

Dude, you totally missed the point. What I was saying is that yes, the movie costumes for X-Men were quite poor. But the X-Men movie, however, was far from it. This can happen to G.I. Joe as well.
And dude, the trailer for the new Hulk was better than the entire movie of the last one.

[Shin Densetsu]

But you forgot one thing:
THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE SUCKS!!!
No it doesn't. Jeph Loeb's Ultimates vol.3 however is not that good. Millar's Ultimates is all kinds of awesome.

[Deckard]

well i guess what im saying is with so much great stuff why do they have to muck it up so horribly. They could cast better gave better scripts and actually found some actors who might no be bad mouthing the project before it even gets off the ground. And lets face it baroness needs boobs not some flat chested crack monger with bad padding. to quote Robin hood Men in tights "fix ya boobs ya look like a bleedin' picaso" heh heh

[Cobra-Viper]

well i guess what im saying is with so much great stuff why do they have to muck it up so horribly. They could cast better gave better scripts and actually found some actors who might no be bad mouthing the project before it even gets off the ground. And lets face it baroness needs boobs not some flat chested crack monger with bad padding. to quote Robin hood Men in tights "fix ya boobs ya look like a bleedin' picaso" heh heh

Haha, come on, seriously are you that concerned about someones chest size? I think (from the pics we've seen) she fits the role of baroness perfectly and looks like her, but that is just me! Plus who exactly bad-mouthed the project? I don't recall anyone saying anything bad, only that they were super excited to do this fun kind of action movie...

For me I'll be satisfied with seeing an intense action film with some depth and a decent story, it just sucks having to wait until next August... I'm entirely happy with things changing (shoot me now) I'm satisfied because we're finally getting a GI Joe movie, and I for one think the cast is good, you know not my dream cast but still a good quality of actors (seriously some people on iMDB, "the cast sucks, where is Vin Diesel etc?") and from what we've seen so far it is looking good :)

[Cravax Deathbringer]

Forgive me, but I feel my original point was lost somewhere. I am no stranger to the acceptance of change. Time periods of course change, as does society, yet there is still a part of us that remains the same. Granted; you can't have the Joes as veitnam vets, by now the series would be renamed "Geriatric Joe", and a bunch of 60-year olds running around in tight black spandex would be rather unpleasing to the eye. Marvel has done well on a majority of their films; Fantastic 4 (1 & 2) were well done, I personally loved Blade and Ghost Rider and the first 2 Spiderman films were exellent. I do agree that the Baroness and Destro casts are acceptible. Snake Eyes however I feel looks half-assed. He of all the characters should fit the original look. Does Destro even have the mask? Or are they omiting that because they are to cheap to make anything that looks different than Dr. Doom? The vehicles could be designed better based on what I've seen so far. Even the original looks were futuristic for the 80's. There is always room for improvement, I just feel that this looks like a step back. Dispite the Transformers bitching, the film was one of the best movies I have seen in all my 32 years so far. I expect my 2nd favorite property to follow suit. Gi Joe needs a bigger budget if this is what we are receiving from Hasbro and Hollywood. For all we know Hasbro could just be too lazy to modernize the modes of the vehicle toy line to cut costs and give us less quality for more $$$$$. Based upon the quality of some of their current toy lines, this doesn't come as a shock to the system.

[Deckard]

well i suppose when sienna miller was quoted as saying "this movie is just tits guns and action no story" she was just having a good time but its comments like that that make me think hey this person really doesnt care about being in this film. A dennis quiad had said essentially the same thing. What i think is that this movie is gonna be no better than some cornball made for tv movie that sci-fi channel or usa would make. I mean if the actors acrent gonna be passionate about the movie they are in then they should step aside and let in someone who will be. not only that they should cast properly for the film. I mean marlon wayons is not an irish lookin white guy like ripcord originally was. He would have made a much better stalker or even DOC for the love of the gods. And joesph gordon levit as cc? What was someone watching latenight tv and said HEY the kid from third rock from the sun would make a great cc. i mean ugh. Mind you these are all my opinions but i mean jeez. Its not too hard to get a few minor things right to make this movie decent to its origins and not make so many craptacular changes. I'll wate to see this movie when its on tnt or something a few mnths after it tanks at the theaters. PErsonally i'd rather watch a meryl streep film as opposed to this movie as so far of what i;ve seen of it. lol

[Loki41872]

Ed Norton as Cobra Commander. Don't buy it? Go watch "American History X". Or "Fight Club".

[Darkness2393]

Ed Norton as Cobra Commander. Don't buy it? Go watch "American History X". Or "Fight Club".

Ye gods, that is genius!

[Onslaught Six]

Marvel has done well on a majority of their films; Fantastic 4 (1 & 2) were well done, I personally loved Blade and Ghost Rider and the first 2 Spiderman films were exellent.

Then maybe you missed the part where Blade totally skewed its source material in favour of making Blade an actual vampire. He originally, y'know, wasn't.

I'm not saying Blade was a bad film, I thought it was awesome--but it made some changes to the source material, just like GI Joe is doing. Imagine that.

Ed Norton as Cobra Commander. Don't buy it? Go watch "American History X". Or "Fight Club".

While I agree that Ed Norton is a great actor (He's Hulk now! Awesome!), and I haven't seen the first film, but Fight Club doesn't work as an arguement for this--mainly because it was Tyler (Brad Pitt) who was all anti-establishment and such. I'm not saying Brad Pitt would make a great Cobra Commander, but yeah.

Anyway, it doesn't matter much--to me--who plays CC as long as he does the voice 'kind of' right. Because he's gonna end up in the mask anyway, right? It doesn't matter to me what he looks like 'before' that. Cobra Commander is a disillusioned young man who really hates a certain member of GI Joe for supposedly betraying him. In the comics, it was, of course, Snake Eyes, because CC's brother crashed into Snake Eyes's family and CC is nuts so that somehow makes it Snakes' fault. Whatever. >.>