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Goudos
08-18-2010, 03:35 AM
I was just thinking that if Hub does show the vintage GI Joe: A Real American Hero cartoons along with the GI Joe Renegade cartoon...what if the numbers are higher on the older version? Has Hasbro thought about this? Oh well, just a random thought.

TheVileOne
08-18-2010, 03:44 AM
If I had wheels and pedals, I'd be a bicycle.

A Real American Hero is dead and buried. It ended almost 30 years ago. It was popular for its time but that time is over.

I get it. We all grew up with A Real American Hero and want to say our brand or version was the best. So what if kids like this version more than Renegades? Ultimately it doesn't matter. Hasbro will push the line in the direction they want to push it.

Steelgrave
08-18-2010, 03:56 AM
I'm watching ROC right now & I was just wondering, what if they made it exactly like ARAH. The older fans would have loved it & what if the new generation also loved it? A question we'll never get answered.

CVdelgado
08-18-2010, 04:04 AM
i think if they used idw style for the movie it would have worked.

helrod
08-18-2010, 04:05 AM
Easy they could just put the 25th line back out.
I still would've liked to have seen adult swim continue with some resolute , would've given hasbro a chance to get in a collectors market ,
But plastics not cheap and these are hard times.

CVdelgado
08-18-2010, 04:06 AM
my son loves arah. he is 3. its all about what kids are exposed to. im sure hell like the new cartoon as well.

people who think arah is dead and buried are wrong. it has as much a place today as the original star wars trilogy.

Zefram
08-18-2010, 04:11 AM
I think I want a hit a whatever you guys are smoking in this thread. >_>

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/WTF/1277544312245.jpg

ShockVal
08-18-2010, 04:13 AM
I lurked in thinking of Figures not the toon. My son could care less for the Original series. But he loved Resolute. He even likes the Spy Troops discs better. Jury is still out on Renegades.

cobralalalala!
08-18-2010, 04:14 AM
I've played the Sunbow stuff for almost every kid in my family, Little brother, nephews, you name it. The kids just don't respond to it. Its like when we watch the old black and white cartoons, yeah, they are entertaining, for about ten minutes.

cobralalalala!
08-18-2010, 04:15 AM
i think i want a hit a whatever you guys are smoking in this thread. >_>

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/wtf/1277544312245.jpg

lmfao.

ShockVal
08-18-2010, 04:16 AM
You mean dropping...

I think I want a hit a whatever you guys are smoking in this thread. >_>

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/WTF/1277544312245.jpg

WinterWarrior83
08-19-2010, 01:17 AM
My nephew that is now 5 likes to watch ARAH with me and for the most part he will behave when watching it. If I put on ROC or Resolute though he shuts up and will not move tell they are over.

I'm not sure why that is but it is they way it is. I would love to see ARAH do well. It would be cool if it could be like the comic and be started again. I would love to see where Sunbow was going to go after the movie. I just don't think we will.

Hasbro has a plan and I would love to know what it is. I'm just going to have to wait and see though. Until the shows come out I get to collect a cool POC line of figures.

CVdelgado
08-19-2010, 01:23 AM
I've played the Sunbow stuff for almost every kid in my family, Little brother, nephews, you name it. The kids just don't respond to it. Its like when we watch the old black and white cartoons, yeah, they are entertaining, for about ten minutes.

possibly they've watched too much television and they are conditioned for the new style.

Lifeline_MD
08-19-2010, 01:34 AM
It would be cool, but its unlikely.

If it does, Hasbro probably refocus. If it doesn't, then Hasbro won't.

There's like a 9 to 1 chance that renegades out-performs the old ARAH stuff. Much though it was great for its time (and I prefer the animation style) Renegades is more what kids are into now. I may not understand it, but it is what it is.

starscream-99
08-19-2010, 01:39 AM
Right now my 2 year old daughter is hooked on ARAH.

2pacnacho
08-19-2010, 01:59 AM
people who think arah is dead and buried are wrong. it has as much a place today as the original star wars trilogy.

I agree with you.

blayze5150
08-19-2010, 02:01 AM
I bought the mew Cobra Commander the other day while I was out with my best friend and his son. I showed it to the kid, who I have given many, many Joes to over the past few years. He said he wouldn't have that Cobra Commander in his house! He's all old school!

V-Cmdr
08-19-2010, 02:37 AM
I think I want a hit a whatever you guys are smoking in this thread. >_>

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/WTF/1277544312245.jpg

yes please puff puff pass

Sgt Humpty
08-19-2010, 02:39 AM
My kids love both. They don't pay any attention to the different continuities. In their battles, they have Accelerator Suit Duke right there beside Bombstrike and Gung-Ho as they battle Mirror Mug CC and RoC Night Adder.

WinterWarrior83
08-19-2010, 01:13 PM
Toy wise he doesn't care where they come from, show wise it just doesn't hold his attention. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that modern shows/cartoons have more explosions and action then older shows. If something isn't happening within 5 min he is gone.

Cdt Weasel
08-19-2010, 01:43 PM
my son loves arah. he is 3. its all about what kids are exposed to. im sure hell like the new cartoon as well.

people who think arah is dead and buried are wrong. it has as much a place today as the original star wars trilogy.

Kids dont care for the original stars trilogy anywhere near as much as they dig the prequels or the clone wars cartoon.

Headman
08-19-2010, 01:48 PM
Kids love girl on girl pornography.

dasaffe
08-19-2010, 01:57 PM
Well that's settled.

Gideon75
08-19-2010, 02:22 PM
Kids can tell old when watching cartoons. The new cartoons have updated art, and are more colorful. Most kids are growing up on computer animated cartoons, so something like ARAH looks ancient to them.

CVdelgado
08-19-2010, 02:54 PM
i havent done too much research but i think cartoons today are quicker paced, possibly they are geared toward a shorter attention span.

Kaedryl
08-19-2010, 03:42 PM
Depending on how much modern TV the kids watch, they may prefer the new stuff. A lot of the preference comes from the rapid scene changes in modern vs old programming. A good example, The Dukes of Hazard. "Quality" TV at the time, but try to watch a rerun now. You'll find the show moves extremely slow, with some scenes lasting up to 1 minute before changing perspect. Watch a current TV show and there's a change in POV about every 5-15 seconds. With cartoons it's worse. No more do you have 20+ seconds of Scooby and Shaggy running across a repeating background, now most characters can barely finish a line of dialogue until there's cut to a different view.

Same with the new vs old Joe toons. ARAH moves a little slow in comparison to the updates and I'm sure Renegades will continue the current trend of rapid scene changes. Kids, if they've watched alot of TV, will get locked in by this. My kids love ARAH, but they didn't watch TV until after age 2 and viewing is limited to 1 hour daily. Other children that have spent more time with current cartoons will likely prefer the faster, more inattention inducing update.

CVdelgado
08-19-2010, 03:57 PM
Depending on how much modern TV the kids watch, they may prefer the new stuff. A lot of the preference comes from the rapid scene changes in modern vs old programming. A good example, The Dukes of Hazard. "Quality" TV at the time, but try to watch a rerun now. You'll find the show moves extremely slow, with some scenes lasting up to 1 minute before changing perspect. Watch a current TV show and there's a change in POV about every 5-15 seconds. With cartoons it's worse. No more do you have 20+ seconds of Scooby and Shaggy running across a repeating background, now most characters can barely finish a line of dialogue until there's cut to a different view.

Same with the new vs old Joe toons. ARAH moves a little slow in comparison to the updates and I'm sure Renegades will continue the current trend of rapid scene changes. Kids, if they've watched alot of TV, will get locked in by this. My kids love ARAH, but they didn't watch TV until after age 2 and viewing is limited to 1 hour daily. Other children that have spent more time with current cartoons will likely prefer to faster, more inattention inducing update.

thats what i wanted to say. : )

Wizgillar
08-19-2010, 04:07 PM
With all the anti-ARAH sentiment on the tank, this type of thread is doomed to be victim to all manner of justifying as to why Renegades will be better.

Unfortunately, most kids these days are over-exposed to anime-style cartoons so that is all they know. It will be nice to have a few of the older ones on for variety. Will kids enjoy old over new? Difficult to say for certain without bias getting in the way. I for one hope that they do but I can see it now; parents who do enjoy the new animation guiding their kids to like the same thus continuing the unfortunate decline of child entertainment.

Zefram
08-19-2010, 04:08 PM
Depending on how much modern TV the kids watch, they may prefer the new stuff. A lot of the preference comes from the rapid scene changes in modern vs old programming. A good example, The Dukes of Hazard. "Quality" TV at the time, but try to watch a rerun now. You'll find the show moves extremely slow, with some scenes lasting up to 1 minute before changing perspect. Watch a current TV show and there's a change in POV about every 5-15 seconds. With cartoons it's worse. No more do you have 20+ seconds of Scooby and Shaggy running across a repeating background, now most characters can barely finish a line of dialogue until there's cut to a different view.

Same with the new vs old Joe toons. ARAH moves a little slow in comparison to the updates and I'm sure Renegades will continue the current trend of rapid scene changes. Kids, if they've watched alot of TV, will get locked in by this. My kids love ARAH, but they didn't watch TV until after age 2 and viewing is limited to 1 hour daily. Other children that have spent more time with current cartoons will likely prefer the faster, more inattention inducing update.

Honestly, I really dislike this belief that shows are faster paced simply because people have shorter attention spans. It's like someone complaining about people liking oil paintings over woodblocks because they don't have enough imagination and need more detail.

The same way the Renaissance brought about a vast surge in music and art, the techniques of that art evolved and became more refined. Anyone who's ever gone to art school will tell you that there are many techniques for design that evolved with the given art to not only increase detail, but subconsciously draw your eye to the intended point of interest, and film, television, and animation are no different. It's doing the medium a disservice. The artists are not pandering to a stupid audience. They themselves have simply refined their skill to make the story more dramatic and exciting.

CVdelgado
08-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Honestly, I really dislike this belief that shows are faster paced simply because people have shorter attention spans. It's like someone complaining about people liking oil paintings over woodblocks because they don't have enough imagination and need more detail.

The same way the Renaissance brought about a vast surge in music and art, the techniques of that art evolved and became more refined. Anyone who's ever gone to art school will tell you that there are many techniques for design that evolved with the given art to not only increase detail, but subconsciously draw your eye to the intended point of interest, and film, television, and animation are no different. It's doing the medium a disservice. The artists are not pandering to a stupid audience. They themselves have simply refined their skill to make the story more dramatic and exciting.

im not saying they are pandering, im saying they are influencing the creation of an audience with shorter attention spans.

does that make sense? im not saying i dont like new cartoons either...

Jeffrozup
08-19-2010, 04:23 PM
I actually like the way the ARAH figures hold the weapons compared to the 25th/ME style. I just think they hold them better. My perfect world would be a combination of ARAH and 25th/ME figures.

speedocub
08-19-2010, 04:24 PM
How would hasbro know if the Sunbow stuff was popular unless there were a toy product line available they could gauge profits on?

longtimedead
08-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I've played the Sunbow stuff for almost every kid in my family, Little brother, nephews, you name it. The kids just don't respond to it. Its like when we watch the old black and white cartoons, yeah, they are entertaining, for about ten minutes.

My son enjoys the ARAH cartoon because of the 25th Ann. toys. I think he would have still watched it...but would have less interest if there were no toys.

Here's a thought...Had there been no 25th Ann. toys produced, what would the state of GI Joe be today? No ROC? No POC? No Renegades? No new continuation of the old Marvel/Hama series?

To have the old series on TV will be interesting. Reaching a larger audience along with the new Renegades series...Hasbro may finally have the support they need to bring the 25th Ann. line back again. Great news all the way around!

Zefram
08-19-2010, 04:35 PM
im not saying they are pandering, im saying they are influencing the creation of an audience with shorter attention spans.

does that make sense? im not saying i dont like new cartoons either...

I can see what you are trying to say, but I disagree. Whenever a new style or art-form is discovered, it is always refined until it reaches an apex. Right now we're seeing this in TV, film, and animation. The storytelling methods are continually being refined to make the story tighter and tighter. This was done with classical realism in the aforementioned oil paintings, but the art-form had become so refined that it had reached a point where it could no longer grow, and artists seeking something new gave birth to impressionism and abstractionism, which everybody said was utter crap when it first appeared, but went on to influence the art world for centuries.

Evangelion might have been an unintentional first shot in changing the game, as due to budgetary reasons there were entire scenes with absolutely no actual animation whatsoever, with all the work being done by the (incredibly talented) voice cast (anyone who remembers the glass scene in Eva will know of what I speak). I haven't seen the actual style imitated as much as the concept, but it might just be a case of the work being too far ahead of its time.

Headman
08-19-2010, 04:38 PM
I can see what you are trying to say, but I disagree. Whenever a new style or art-form is discovered, it is always refined until it reaches an apex. Right now we're seeing this in TV, film, and animation. The storytelling methods are continually being refined to make the story tighter and tighter. This was done with classical realism in the aforementioned oil paintings, but the art-form had become so refined that it had reached a point where it could no longer grow, and artists seeking something new gave birth to impressionism and abstractionism, which everybody said was utter crap when it first appeared, but went on to influence the art world for centuries.

Evangelion might have been an unintentional first shot in changing the game, as due to budgetary reasons there were entire scenes with absolutely no actual animation whatsoever, with all the work being done by the (incredibly talented) voice cast (anyone who remembers the glass scene in Eva will know of what I speak). I haven't seen the actual style imitated as much as the concept, but it might just be a case of the work being too far ahead of its time.

When did you start talking?

Kaedryl
08-19-2010, 04:45 PM
Honestly, I really dislike this belief that shows are faster paced simply because people have shorter attention spans. It's like someone complaining about people liking oil paintings over woodblocks because they don't have enough imagination and need more detail.

It's not so much they are catering to a short attention span, rather they are creating a shorter attention span due to the change in the amount of action in the cartoons. There have been several papers looking at this and there is a strong link between TV exposure in early childhood and later attention concerns during the teen years.

Part of this can be argued that the creators are just exercising their ability to increase the richness of the content in their product and so they have frequent changes to enhance their artistic vision, but the flip side is that now they need frequent changes to hold the audiences attention because we've been programmed to need the frequent changes. It's a bit of a self-sustaining cycle. Newscientist.com has one of the articles, the rest you can pull from a medline search (though you'll need subscriptions to the journals to read more than just the abstracts.)

So, kids are used to the rapid changes and when faced with the slower paced, older programming they have more difficulty following it. Hence, they'll likely prefer renegades over ARAH regardless of how good/bad the storyline is.

Zefram
08-19-2010, 04:52 PM
It's not so much they are catering to a short attention span, rather they are creating a shorter attention span due to the change in the amount of action in the cartoons. There have been several papers looking at this and there is a strong link between TV exposure in early childhood and later attention concerns during the teen years.

Part of this can be argued that the creators are just exercising their ability to increase the richness of the content in their product and so they have frequent changes to enhance their artistic vision, but the flip side is that now they need frequent changes to hold the audiences attention because we've been programmed to need the frequent changes. It's a bit of a self-sustaining cycle. Newscientist.com has one of the articles, the rest you can pull from a medline search (though you'll need subscriptions to the journals to read more than just the abstracts.)

So, kids are used to the rapid changes and when faced with the slower paced, older programming they have more difficulty following it. Hence, they'll likely prefer renegades over ARAH regardless of how good/bad the storyline is.

Here's an interesting point, is there any correlating studies that show the reflexes, multitasking ability, and the speed at which their brains are able to process information? I've seen studies that the video game generation have faster reaction time and increased multi-tasking ability, but I've never seen any correlating data that implies lessened attention span to go with it.

It might not just be in issue with TV, so much as a shift brought about by a massive change in the density of information and stimuli available to our current society.

DeliriumSerum
08-19-2010, 04:53 PM
It's not so much they are catering to a short attention span, rather they are creating a shorter attention span due to the change in the amount of action in the cartoons. There have been several papers looking at this and there is a strong link between TV exposure in early childhood and later attention concerns during the teen years.

I'm glad My Dad raised Me on TV Land.

EDIT: Actually, I still have a pretty short atention span.

crock master
08-19-2010, 05:03 PM
I was just thinking that if Hub does show the vintage GI Joe: A Real American Hero cartoons along with the GI Joe Renegade cartoon...what if the numbers are higher on the older version? Has Hasbro thought about this? Oh well, just a random thought.

if the kids liked it better , nothing different would happen. noone listens to kids.
hell, hasbro doesnt even listen to the adults

tt8l
08-19-2010, 05:06 PM
and artists seeking something new gave birth to impressionism and abstractionism, which everybody said was utter crap when it first appeared, but went on to influence the art world for centuries.

And further to birth Dada and the YBA which gave us such unforgettable treats as The Fountain and My Bed. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Bed)

But this is an entirely different discussion. A truer parallel can be drawn between neo-classic and modern consumer product package design and advertising... another really fascinating discussion, since it all goes back to a thing made exclusively to make profit... but it's the motive and, many would say cautiously optimistic resurgence of artistry and actual care behind creating those products that we really need to look at and wonder why some companies haven't caught on that they need to care again if they want us to buy again. Personally, I think Hasbro has done very very well for their customers and shown a lot of heart & respect for their customers young and old...

Ultimately though...

I popped in because I misread the title to be...

"What if kids liked AFA better"

Which would have been a ROFL-riot. I can just picture a kid playing with sealed acrylic cases containing empty resealed boxes that weigh just enough to seem like they are really MISP.

Headman
08-19-2010, 05:09 PM
I don't see the harm in showing both shows on the hub. Hell, it's cheap content to fill time on their network. And if kids like it better, awesome. If not...that's fine too.

Zefram
08-19-2010, 05:16 PM
When did you start talking?

I'm full of surprises. :)

And further to birth Dada and the YBA which gave us such unforgettable treats as The Fountain and My Bed. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Bed)

But this is an entirely different discussion. A truer parallel can be drawn between neo-classic and modern consumer product package design and advertising... another really fascinating discussion, since it all goes back to a thing made exclusively to make profit... but it's the motive and, many would say cautiously optimistic resurgence of artistry and actual care behind creating those products that we really need to look at and wonder why some companies haven't caught on that they need to care again if they want us to buy again. Personally, I think Hasbro has done very very well for their customers and shown a lot of heart & respect for their customers young and old...

Ultimately though...

I popped in because I misread the title to be...

"What if kids liked AFA better"

Which would have been a ROFL-riot. I can just picture a kid playing with sealed acrylic cases containing empty resealed boxes that weigh just enough to seem like they are really MISP.

Such a discussion makes me wish I were up on more modern work. Sadly, I skipped on most of everything between Van Gogh and Jack Kirby. >.>

I don't see the harm in showing both shows on the hub. Hell, it's cheap content to fill time on their network. And if kids like it better, awesome. If not...that's fine too.

QFT!

Kaedryl
08-19-2010, 05:38 PM
Here's an interesting point, is there any correlating studies that show the reflexes, multitasking ability, and the speed at which their brains are able to process information?

I'm not sure about studies showing increased processing speed. There have been a variety of studies looking at reflexes and eye-hand coordination that show an advantage to individuals that play video games, but none that I know of that show a benefit from just watching TV. Given that TV for the most part is a passive activity, it would be less likely to give positive stimulative change.

We know the brain is adaptative and it's growth, especially in early developmental stages, is driven by stimulus. For example, the area that control vision doesn't develop in children with cataracts if they aren't removed extremely early and if the cataracts are removed later in life, the children won't have normal vision since that part of the brain didn't have the stimulus needed to develop. In fact, what's been found in children with childhood blindness is the areas that control hearing and tactile sensation tends to become larger and have increased cell density in response.

If you were to stress a developing brain with challenging stimuli, you can induce change in it's structural development and ability. In fact, the developing brain needs this stimulus or it will "prune" unused neurons. So while active stimulus will drive some of the above changes, I'm not sure passively watching TV is going to give any beneficial effects.

I can PM you the articles if you're interested, but I think I'm drifting way off topic here :)

USAgent
08-19-2010, 05:40 PM
this thread was fun but now it's making my head hurt with all the thinking... :( I just need someone to tell me what to watch and if I should like it or not

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab340/Hordak/Stuff/gmzaliens.jpg

Kaedryl
08-19-2010, 05:42 PM
Watch them both.

CVdelgado
08-19-2010, 06:04 PM
I'm not sure about studies showing increased processing speed. There have been a variety of studies looking at reflexes and eye-hand coordination that show an advantage to individuals that play video games, but none that I know of that show a benefit from just watching TV. Given that TV for the most part is a passive activity, it would be less likely to give positive stimulative change.

We know the brain is adaptative and it's growth, especially in early developmental stages, is driven by stimulus. For example, the area that control vision doesn't develop in children with cataracts if they aren't removed extremely early and if the cataracts are removed later in life, the children won't have normal vision since that part of the brain didn't have the stimulus needed to develop. In fact, what's been found in children with childhood blindness is the areas that control hearing and tactile sensation tends to become larger and have increased cell density in response.

If you were to stress a developing brain with challenging stimuli, you can induce change in it's structural development and ability. In fact, the developing brain needs this stimulus or it will "prune" unused neurons. So while active stimulus will drive some of the above changes, I'm not sure passively watching TV is going to give any beneficial effects.

I can PM you the articles if you're interested, but I think I'm drifting way off topic here :)

this is directly on topic. and great info. thanks. short attention span is also a major problem to our democracy... among other things.

Derek2783
08-19-2010, 11:56 PM
If I had wheels and pedals, I'd be a bicycle.

Why? Do you get ridden alot? :D

Angry.Android
08-20-2010, 11:08 AM
my son loves arah. he is 3. its all about what kids are exposed to. im sure hell like the new cartoon as well.

people who think arah is dead and buried are wrong. it has as much a place today as the original star wars trilogy.

Maybe it's the age then. My nephews hated RAH, they said it was, and i quote, "for babies" The oldest one liked Resolute though, the youngest liked S6 more.

Sailor_Joe
08-20-2010, 07:05 PM
If attention span was an issue, then they certainly would prefer the high-paced, one-off action of the original cartoons. Because the format of these were simplistic and designed for the short attention span: start the story, introduce new characters/vehicles, solve the problem, end the story. Renegades is supposed to be more story based. Meaning that much like a comic, will continue from episode to episode. This would be a turn off for those short of attention span. A great example is the IDW main line comic. Those who don't have attention span to hold out for six months worth of releases until the climax often chastise it (myself included).

One thing I did get from this whole thing, though was that Hasbro as a whole is trying to recreate the energy that the ARAH line had. Undoubtedly, this was G.I. Joe's heyday and they want to build the line up to that greatness again. So yes, they are going to employ some of the things that made the ARAH cartoon great. But they're also going to give it an update.

plague
08-21-2010, 07:02 AM
I don't have kids, i bypassed that experience but i do babysit. I had a little boy come over and i put some real american hero in the dvd player and he was mezmorized. He didn't even move. And trust me, he was all over the place, loudly, before that. his favorite is shipwreck and he thinks cobra commander is funny. he was full of questions afterwards. so kids do stillll like arah, you just got to find the right kid.

WinterWarrior83
08-21-2010, 01:22 PM
I think it will find new legs on the channel. It could be too though that Renegades will be on when children are watching it and ARAH on later. It could be like an adult swim thing where they have the old shows to appeal to the parents/older fans.

turner
08-21-2010, 02:18 PM
Yeah, I've had similar thoughts, why wouldn't the kids like the stuff the same if it was 25th type product instead of re-imagined. Really, kids just want whatever's on tv, just flood the tv with commercials for the product I want (80's style done in modern articulation) and everybody wins.

spiderpumpkin
08-21-2010, 02:43 PM
Maybe getting kids interested in ARAH is Hasbro's plan. They do have the 30th annivesary coming up.

junglecat79
08-21-2010, 03:13 PM
either way it will help g i joe in the long run if the kids like the RAH then cool if they like both great either way it will get kids back in to joe.

As right now joe has become a fans line. over the yrs we the fans have backed joe more then kids.if we want joe to stay in the front lines we need the kids. hasbro has to fig out how to keep us and kids in to the joe line.

they have done 1 thing and that is give us a toon. kids now a days are on the net or tv more then ever. they need more joe toy commercials .also 2 stick with a line more then a yr. RAH toy line lasted how long before they made it too sci fi/changes to the line that killed it. i say after 91 it was all down hill.

they need to stick with 1 line for more then a yr. no more of this 25th,roc,poc and so on. just stick with one joe logo and keep the figs in the same style and let it grow. no more of 15 SE,SS,CC ,duke& destro!! they have how many names on both teams rosters. make those names/ charters in to toys and let the line grow.

the prob is that we get reboot after reboot so we get stuck with the same 5 guys over and over. kids now a days do not stick with anything for very long and with a reboot every yr it kills there attention to the line.

Look at the RAH line there was a new line up for every wave to a point. so if they go back to that and only stick those same 5 guys in maybe 2 waves a yr and have new charters in those waves it might take off.

just my 2cents

spiderpumpkin
08-21-2010, 04:15 PM
Maybe a new generation will really like ARAH after seeing the cartoon. Then if we're lucky they will start a letter writing campaign to release the USS Flagg at retail.

MeLikeJinx
08-26-2010, 11:13 PM
either way it will help g i joe in the long run if the kids like the RAH then cool if they like both great either way it will get kids back in to joe.
I agree. Win, win. But if they hate both we are in trouble. LOL. That means our last chance will be the next Joe movie and I don't have much hope that will grab the kids either. LOL.

G.I.Spawn
08-26-2010, 11:42 PM
In a way, I'm happy Renegades is not like Resolute now that I think about it. My kids will be watching this, along with myself. It took holding my 3 year old down to get him to watch Resolute. All of the scenes, with the going back and forth, I think was a little too much for him to understand. Granted he is 3, but if Renegades mimicks that, I think it will take the attention from kids away.

I don't think that had anything to do with this thread, but that popped in my head and I had to share.

dj7000
08-27-2010, 08:07 AM
they wont. Lock the thread. lol

Cobra Dreadwind
08-27-2010, 08:24 AM
Maybe a new generation will really like ARAH after seeing the cartoon. Then if we're lucky they will start a letter writing campaign to release the USS Flagg at retail.

This would be cool. Never gonna happen, but yeah, I want a Flagg, damnit.

Jmacq1
08-27-2010, 09:11 AM
they need to stick with 1 line for more then a yr. no more of this 25th,roc,poc and so on. just stick with one joe logo and keep the figs in the same style and let it grow. no more of 15 SE,SS,CC ,duke& destro!! they have how many names on both teams rosters. make those names/ charters in to toys and let the line grow.

the prob is that we get reboot after reboot so we get stuck with the same 5 guys over and over. kids now a days do not stick with anything for very long and with a reboot every yr it kills there attention to the line.

Look at the RAH line there was a new line up for every wave to a point. so if they go back to that and only stick those same 5 guys in maybe 2 waves a yr and have new charters in those waves it might take off.

Transformers and Star Wars both make this theory shaky at best. Both lines undergo consistent rebrandings (or even outright reboots in Transformers' case), and kids still are totally into them, even though they're consistently fed recycles of the main characters (How many Megatrons, Optimus Primes, Starscreams, and Bumblebees do kids need?). Using that evidence kids have no problem latching onto reboots/rebrandings (packaging/logo changes). Which is why Hasbro has been trying to replicate that method with G.I. Joe.

In fact, at present I don't think there's any action figure line out there that's following the method you describe and enjoying great success because of it.

elanmars
08-29-2010, 11:06 PM
ARAH was horrible storytelling wise. it can be fun in a "OH MY GOODNESS I CANT BELIEVE SUCH IDIOTIC CRAP WAS EVER WRITTEN AND ANIMATED LIKE THIS".

most of the episodes suck. bad. it's neat to watch with nostalgia eyes but Renegades already has the upper hand-can they really suck that bad when ARAH, Dic, Extreme and Sigma 6, among others, have already set the bar SO low??

that makes me think...if it was ARAH that ROC was inspired by, then maybe ROC should be given more credit than it should. I mean, i still highly dislike it but to turn ARAH into something workable, that's tough...

IronMan76
09-02-2010, 05:58 PM
I have played the classic GI JOE A REAL AMERICAN HERO for my nephews since they were 7years old and they like it. They're about to be eleven and still like to watch it on DVD.

returnofplex
09-02-2010, 06:06 PM
ARAH was horrible storytelling wise. it can be fun in a "OH MY GOODNESS I CANT BELIEVE SUCH IDIOTIC CRAP WAS EVER WRITTEN AND ANIMATED LIKE THIS".

most of the episodes suck. bad. it's neat to watch with nostalgia eyes but Renegades already has the upper hand-can they really suck that bad when ARAH, Dic, Extreme and Sigma 6, among others, have already set the bar SO low??

that makes me think...if it was ARAH that ROC was inspired by, then maybe ROC should be given more credit than it should. I mean, i still highly dislike it but to turn ARAH into something workable, that's tough...

I actually hated ROC, but as far as being somewhat true to the source material(ARAH) it wasn't too far off. Anyone who looks back at the old toons and thinks they were more "realistic" or "better written" need to have their eyes checked. Cobra is the only organization that would spend billions of dollars to hold a city hostage, and demand 1 million in ransom.

gunslingercbr
09-02-2010, 06:40 PM
I've played the Sunbow stuff for almost every kid in my family, Little brother, nephews, you name it. The kids just don't respond to it. Its like when we watch the old black and white cartoons, yeah, they are entertaining, for about ten minutes.

it is amazing that for a demographic that still holds on to our childhood interest most have forgotten what it was like to be a child. like you said, watching a 30 year old cartoon today for a child is no different than us watching 30 year old cartoons when we were kids 30 years ago -- we had no interest in it. G.I. Joe certainly isn't going to buck that trend.

the idea that because I liked it and still do it will somehow be immune to the universal practice of all generations to like what is current is simply ludicrous.

Sailor_Joe
09-02-2010, 06:47 PM
it is amazing that for a demographic that still holds on to our childhood interest most have forgotten what it was like to be a child. like you said, watching a 30 year old cartoon today for a child is no different than us watching 30 year old cartoons when we were kids 30 years ago -- we had no interest in it. G.I. Joe certainly isn't going to buck that trend.

the idea that because I liked it and still do it will somehow be immune to the universal practice of all generations to like what is current is simply ludicrous.

I don't know. I was one of those who absolutely loved Looney Tunes. A cartoon 30 years before my time. Even today, I own the Golden Collection on DVD and put them in when I have time to kill and nothing else on.

Xenos
09-02-2010, 06:55 PM
it is amazing that for a demographic that still holds on to our childhood interest most have forgotten what it was like to be a child. like you said, watching a 30 year old cartoon today for a child is no different than us watching 30 year old cartoons when we were kids 30 years ago -- we had no interest in it. G.I. Joe certainly isn't going to buck that trend.

the idea that because I liked it and still do it will somehow be immune to the universal practice of all generations to like what is current is simply ludicrous.

I watched a lot of Johnny Quest and Birdman when I was a kid, and those were like 20 years old at the time. Also, like was mentioned, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse were also always on. Kids today still watch Scoobie Doo, and that's like 40 years old.

That said, I don't see ARAH doing all that well just because it wasn't very good. There's a reason people still watch Bugs Bunny, and it's because of the quality.

CVdelgado
09-02-2010, 06:59 PM
it is amazing that for a demographic that still holds on to our childhood interest most have forgotten what it was like to be a child. like you said, watching a 30 year old cartoon today for a child is no different than us watching 30 year old cartoons when we were kids 30 years ago -- we had no interest in it. G.I. Joe certainly isn't going to buck that trend.

the idea that because I liked it and still do it will somehow be immune to the universal practice of all generations to like what is current is simply ludicrous.

it totally depends on the situation, the kid and the family. im not saying every kid will like them, but for one example my son loves the G1 transformers, arah gi joe, thundercats, the og winnie the pooh, the x men cartoons from the early 90's and even the iron man cartoon from the early 90's. so far his favorite star wars is the original, and he loves the original tmnt cartoon as well.

this is probably because we watch them together, he doesnt watch modern day television. everything is dvd. some of his modern day favorites are spongebob, clone wars, transformers animated, nickleodian's avatar, curious george, everything about animals (especially ocean life) and the various disney pixar films.

i know this isnt the case everywhere, but in our house this is whats up. we also love to play the super nintendo together.

i figure as he grows older hell get more and more exposure to the modern stuff but the older will always have a special place in his heart. : )

sorry 'bout the ramblin' but im in a hurry...

gunslingercbr
09-02-2010, 07:07 PM
I don't know. I was one of those who absolutely loved Looney Tunes. A cartoon 30 years before my time. Even today, I own the Golden Collection on DVD and put them in when I have time to kill and nothing else on.

yeah, but when you start talking about things like Looney Tunes and Mickey Mouse, you are in an entirely different type of property. they are considered timeless for a reason, and are far different than episodic cartoons that only run for a short time and disappear for 30 years.