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Shin Densetsu
07-27-2010, 12:37 AM
This thread is designed to voice both what we want to see in GI Joe Renegades, & what we don't want to see. Remember folks, constructive criticism works best. If you were the guy designing the characters or writing the story, or whatever, hearing that "your work sucks" is not going to help. So let's say you don't like the look of the cartoon. Okay, it's cool to voice your like or dislike, but how would you think the cartoon would look better? This thread is for what we wish for in Renegades.

Here is mine:
No corny dialogue. 1 reason Sunbow/DiC series did not age well
No cliche Snake Eyes as a deus ex machina. Done to death
No recycled animation, 2d and/or CG. This annoys me in any animation worldwide
No cliche catch phrases....adds into corny dialogue
No emphasis on a new character just to bring him to prominence; like Hot Rod from Transformers G1

MeLikeJinx
07-27-2010, 12:40 AM
I just want Scarlett to choose Snake Eyes one time.
Also Jinx and Falcon would be nice.

Echo7Solo
07-27-2010, 12:48 AM
1) Story- Make it good. Kids are smarter these days than you give the credit for. Show them some respect. Give a good story that they can follow.

2) Cast- voice acting is a big key. Get people who are good.

3) No over kill with ninjas. They are cool until you use them all the time.

Zefram
07-27-2010, 12:56 AM
Remember folks, constructive criticism works best.

And please understand any use of the word "Hasblow" will automatically invalidate the entire rest of your post, regardless of how much thought you put into it or what kind of point you are trying to make.

1) Story- Make it good. Kids are smarter these days than you give the credit for. Show them some respect. Give a good story that they can follow.

This!

2) Cast- voice acting is a big key. Get people who are good.

And THIS!

3) No over kill with ninjas. They are cool until you use them all the time.

And... kinda this.

The SE/SS this is way too good not to use, just limit it and the rest of the ninja to a couple eps out of every dozen.

Immortal_Joker
07-27-2010, 01:02 AM
1. Cobra Commander gets a hood I hate the mask
2. Fantastic stories along line with Beast Wars, Transformers: Animated and the Clone Wars (Trooper Editions)
3. Great Voice Actors.
4. Nods an homages to the Past Joe eras from ARAH to RoC.

Shin Densetsu
07-27-2010, 01:08 AM
Have Storm Shadow's honor intact..keep the "must live a lie to find a truth" aspect. Without it, he is just a generic evil ninja dresssed in white because Snake Eyes is dressed in black and it's symbolic of the yin and yang symbol.

Storm Shadow is too good to be relegated to becoming just some generic evil ninja. Give him some depth. This is why I prefer his treatment in the comics over the original cartoons.

Echo7Solo
07-27-2010, 01:09 AM
kinda this.

The SE/SS this is way too good not to use, just limit it and the rest of the ninja to a couple eps out of every dozen.

Oh yeah they have to use both of them, just not all the time and for everything. It takes away from the cool when you do that. I want to see Storm Shadow just not all the time.

SteelBrigade
07-27-2010, 01:11 AM
I would like to see Billy, Joe Colton, and if black Ripcord is in it, then I also want to see ROC Breaker as well.

Echo7Solo
07-27-2010, 01:12 AM
Have Storm Shadow's honor intact..keep the "must live a lie to find a truth" aspect. Without it, he is just a generic evil ninja dresssed in white because Snake Eyes is dressed in black and it's symbolic of the yin and yang symbol.

Storm Shadow is too good to be relegated to becoming just some generic evil ninja. Give him some depth. This is why I prefer his treatment in the comics over the original cartoons.

I couldn't agree more. That is the Storm Shadow I liked.

Immortal_Joker
07-27-2010, 01:14 AM
Have Storm Shadow's honor intact..keep the "must live a lie to find a truth" aspect. Without it, he is just a generic evil ninja dresssed in white because Snake Eyes is dressed in black and it's symbolic of the yin and yang symbol.

Storm Shadow is too good to be relegated to becoming just some generic evil ninja. Give him some depth. This is why I prefer his treatment in the comics over the original cartoons.

I concur

mattymatt
07-27-2010, 01:15 AM
Great stories, what dukes rank is for real this time(is he a capt, a maj ,a msgt or 1st sgt) joes following orders even though they are renegades lol, cobra cola, crimson twins, lots of cool vehicles(and make them too please) oh and roadblock/heavy duty shaving his chops off cause that shits not in regulation...

Headman
07-27-2010, 01:17 AM
I'd like to see female characters with large boobs.

SECP
07-27-2010, 11:09 AM
Have Storm Shadow's honor intact..keep the "must live a lie to find a truth" aspect. Without it, he is just a generic evil ninja dresssed in white because Snake Eyes is dressed in black and it's symbolic of the yin and yang symbol.

Storm Shadow is too good to be relegated to becoming just some generic evil ninja. Give him some depth. This is why I prefer his treatment in the comics over the original cartoons.


This!


Also I love ninjas, but I agree that they shouldn't be overused. And While Snake Eyes is my favorite character, and I want to see him kicking ass, he's diminished when he can run at 100mph and slice through tanks. So don't do that!

The Conflict
07-27-2010, 11:11 AM
I just cant wait to troop build Jello-vipers...

Troynos
07-27-2010, 11:20 AM
1) Story- Make it good. Kids are smarter these days than you give the credit for. Show them some respect. Give a good story that they can follow.

2) Cast- voice acting is a big key. Get people who are good.

3) No over kill with ninjas. They are cool until you use them all the time.

^ This x20

Can have SE/SS. Just make SS an honorable EVIL ninja. SE needs his foil on the other side. Nothing conflicted about him. Make him bad and keep him bad. No brainwashing.

Also:

4) Do not connect everyone's backstories. SE/SS is pushing it as it's just a huge coincedance that they end up on opposite sides in such a large world. No Firefly connection. No Zartan connection. No Cobra Commander connection.

5) Serious Dreadnoks. None of this cheese that they exist in now. A real and dangerous biker gang, pushing the limits of the ratings.

6) No Zandar and Zarana unless they get major upgrades and design changes.

7) IDW Snake-Eyes. Still tough. Still one bad-ass dude. But he can get his butt kicked by a skilled opponent.

8) No pets.

RenHoek
07-27-2010, 11:21 AM
Make sure you don't go over exaggerate characters personality(e.g. Lifeline never touching a gun, even when his and other's lives were in danger)

VideoViper
07-27-2010, 11:46 AM
I want to see teams, not the popular Joes on every mission.

For example leave Shipwreck on the Flagg or island missions, don't send a sailor to the dessert or Russian artic, unless a boat /sub is somehow involved.

Good stories, with a serious feel, see Batman the animated series, it was what it needed to be without the camp. They made odd charactors fit into a believable world. Cobra Comander must be the bad @ss and not a joke of a leader.

No serpentor without a major charactor overhaul.

Fast_Draw
07-27-2010, 11:57 AM
I don't really care about what they do with the cartoon to be honest because it's not really for me. I hope they hook kids like they keep trying to do.

What I would like out of it is for the figures to be of the same construction as 25th/Modern/Resolute/RoC/PoC. If they make them like Clone Wars or something that is off structurally, then I won't get them...but again, they're doing it for the kids so that's OK, too. Perhaps they can throw us some online bones if that is the case.

Some of the character designs look good, some similar to Resolute, and a few that are really terrible to be honest. The General and Mindbender come to mind first...not that any Mindbender design was awesome. I don't like Mindbender anyway. I'm just saying the design is goofy like all of the other Mindbenders.

Sailor_Joe
07-27-2010, 11:53 PM
Make CC a bad-ass and ruthless dictator in the making. No wimpy contradiction stuff.

Military bearing. G.I. Joe is a military fighting force. Not some secret society where rules don't apply. Keep our Joes military bearing in tact.

Less black ops more spec ops. Again, keep our Joes military. Sure, they have a bit more freedom given their situation. But G.I. Joe is (and always has been) a covert military operation. Not some secret service agency.

~Synder Corps.~
07-28-2010, 12:08 AM
Don't focus on 4 or 5 characters for EVERY episode. Granted some will be used more than others simply out of rank and leadership, but I would like to see more diversity in teams for every storyline. If it's a more technically adept storyline, bring in tech based Joes like Mainframe, Flash, or Grandslam. Don't have a handfull of Joes be JOATs all the time just so their in EVERY episode.

Voice actors are key.

Keep the ninja-ness to a minimum, and don't re-itterate the reason why SS and SE fight every time they fight. Chances are any repeat veiwers will remember the episode from the week before when Storm Shadow told Snake Eyes he blames him for the uncle's death when they fought on the waterfall...We don't need to hear the same dialogue next week when they fight on building rooftops.

How about negating the whole Duke/SE/Scarlett triangle thing and have her be either butch, or too professional for relationships

Headman
07-28-2010, 12:11 AM
Lots and lots of nudity. Oh, and start the second season off with a storyline about Headman and hire me to do the voice.

Trooper13
07-28-2010, 08:18 AM
I'd like to see alot of things...

I'd like to see SE and SS be the only ninjas actually on Joe and Cobra's roster. I know kids love ninjas, so I'm not going to be irked if they show up, but I'd like to see it not overrun the series. If the red ninjas show up once a season that's fine, but keep it to a minimum. A small subplot and nothing more.

I'd like to actually see The Baroness and Destro's relationship develop. I'd like to see them be strangers at the beginning. If they have one at all.

I'd like to see alot of globe hopping. Exotic locales, crazy plots, ect.

I'd like to see alot of different Joe teams eventually. I realize that this is the "New School 10", but I wanna see different teams from time to time, and now and then, maybe two or three eps a season, an episode to focus on the environmental specialists.

First and foremost, is quality writing.

Sailor_Joe
07-28-2010, 02:12 PM
I'd like to see alot of things...

I'd like to see SE and SS be the only ninjas actually on Joe and Cobra's roster. I know kids love ninjas, so I'm not going to be irked if they show up, but I'd like to see it not overrun the series. If the red ninjas show up once a season that's fine, but keep it to a minimum. A small subplot and nothing more.

I'd like to actually see The Baroness and Destro's relationship develop. I'd like to see them be strangers at the beginning. If they have one at all.

I'd like to see alot of globe hopping. Exotic locales, crazy plots, ect.

I'd like to see alot of different Joe teams eventually. I realize that this is the "New School 10", but I wanna see different teams from time to time, and now and then, maybe two or three eps a season, an episode to focus on the environmental specialists.

First and foremost, is quality writing.

From what I gathered, T13, you might be on the ball with what's in store. I think we'll see sub-teams and other Joes introduced. I'm sure we're going to see exotic locales and crazy plots (I'm guessing that the whole bio-technology thing is going to come into play). They stated that part of the core idea is that we're going to see relationships forged and how the Joes became a team. I'm sure we're going to see that on the Cobra side as well. And from what I understand, story is a huge thing with this. I'm guessing that instead of a bunch of small one-off episodes, we'll have a continuing saga for multiple episodes.

Keep in mind that the executive team on Renegades is the same as those who did the Sunbow cartoons. So while you're not going to get the exact same thing. It's not entirely out of sorts to have the strong elements that made the Sunbow cartoons appealing apply to Renegades.

Trooper13
07-28-2010, 02:21 PM
From what I gathered, T13, you might be on the ball with what's in store. I think we'll see sub-teams and other Joes introduced. I'm sure we're going to see exotic locales and crazy plots (I'm guessing that the whole bio-technology thing is going to come into play). They stated that part of the core idea is that we're going to see relationships forged and how the Joes became a team. I'm sure we're going to see that on the Cobra side as well. And from what I understand, story is a huge thing with this. I'm guessing that instead of a bunch of small one-off episodes, we'll have a continuing saga for multiple episodes.

Keep in mind that the executive team on Renegades is the same as those who did the Sunbow cartoons. So while you're not going to get the exact same thing. It's not entirely out of sorts to have the strong elements that made the Sunbow cartoons appealing apply to Renegades.

Cool, I'm really excited for this. While My oldest and I love reading IDW, it'll be nice to have something that the entire family can sit down and watch together. Cartoons have come a long way since we were kids and it sounds like Hasbro has really got their head in the game.
I like the idea of starting the mythos from the ground up. Not just having them already be a team with day to day operations, but finding out how and why they came together. I really hope they knock this one out of the park.

jeff_duke
08-05-2010, 12:41 PM
I'm going out on a limb (with this having no chance). I would love to see:

1). limited sci-fi elements to research prototypes in current studies
2). an emphasis on characterization and continuity
3). bullets instead of lasers
4). actual deaths, not meaningless but with purpose
5). cobra not portrayed purely as evil but multi-dimensional
6). good, fluid animation
7). return of multi part episodes
8). more than two sides

CliffSteele
08-05-2010, 12:53 PM
Have Storm Shadow's honor intact..keep the "must live a lie to find a truth" aspect. Without it, he is just a generic evil ninja dresssed in white because Snake Eyes is dressed in black and it's symbolic of the yin and yang symbol.

Storm Shadow is too good to be relegated to becoming just some generic evil ninja. Give him some depth. This is why I prefer his treatment in the comics over the original cartoons.

YES! Exactly! I'm wondering how they're going to handle this in the ROC sequels. They've foreshadowed him becoming good but he DID kill a few guys that didn't deserve it.

Anyway: I hope the toyline from Renegades won't look much like the cartoon at all really. I don't mind the cartoon designs and, from what we saw, the actual animation seems to be high quality but I do not like Cobra Commander's mask. He looks too much like a Sith Lord from any one of the Star Wars video games.

My other issue is: Why do all the Joes wear those baggy orange/brown pants?

Also: Bio-Viper: COULD be cool if not used often and explained as a fluke sort of thing.

Immortal_Joker
08-05-2010, 04:03 PM
I'm going out on a limb (with this having no chance). I would love to see:

1). limited sci-fi elements to research prototypes in current studies
2). an emphasis on characterization and continuity
3). bullets instead of lasers
4). actual deaths, not meaningless but with purpose
5). cobra not portrayed purely as evil but multi-dimensional
6). good, fluid animation
7). return of multi part episodes
8). more than two sides

Im sorry but 3 and 4 has got to be a joke right? You want THAT in a KIDS SHOW on a KIDS NETWORK? dude with all due respect WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!?!?! They will NOT do that unless they want a whole set of backlash from parents.

Immortal_Joker
08-05-2010, 04:04 PM
YES! Exactly! I'm wondering how they're going to handle this in the ROC sequels. They've foreshadowed him becoming good but he DID kill a few guys that didn't deserve it.

Anyway: I hope the toyline from Renegades won't look much like the cartoon at all really. I don't mind the cartoon designs and, from what we saw, the actual animation seems to be high quality but I do not like Cobra Commander's mask. He looks too much like a Sith Lord from any one of the Star Wars video games.

My other issue is: Why do all the Joes wear those baggy orange/brown pants?

Also: Bio-Viper: COULD be cool if not used often and explained as a fluke sort of thing.

I still say get rid of the mask an give him a hood, have the joes stare into the eyes of pure evil like they have never seen before.

jeff_duke
08-06-2010, 09:58 AM
"Im sorry but 3 and 4 has got to be a joke right? You want THAT in a KIDS SHOW on a KIDS NETWORK? dude with all due respect WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!?!?! They will NOT do that unless they want a whole set of backlash from parents."

Yes and No. I know that it has no chance. That being said, there have been animations like Batman TAS that used live gun fire, though they didn't hurt anybody. Though it memory serves, neither did GI Joe and Cobra in the ARAH animated series.

I will admit that #4 was a bit of a reach, though, again when I was a kid Optimus Prime and Megatron (I know robots) were killed on screen as well as many of the 1st generation characters.

matta412
08-26-2010, 06:37 PM
I just hope that the animation goes 3d soon that would be cool

IronMan76
09-02-2010, 04:48 PM
I want to see the Joes used for their talents! not because that character is popular.

1. I don't want to see Roadblock flying a skystriker. I want to see Ace, Slipstream, Countdown Payload, Sky Striker, and Dogfight piloting the Joes Aircraft.

2. I theres a bomb that needs de-fusing, I want to see Tripwire, Lightfoot, or Tunnel Rat doing it.

3. If theres an Arctic Mision I want to see Iceberg, Frostbite and Snowjob on it! Not Quick Kick in bear feet.

4. I want to see Gung ho & or Leatherneck actualy use a grenade launcher.

5. I want to see Wet suit, Torpedo and and Shipwreck acting as Navy seals. I want to see them plant a bomb on a Cobra boat, or ship.

6. I want to see rocket pods on the GI JOE attack helicopters.

7. If theres artillery, I want to see Thunder, Long Range, Short Fuze, Hawk, or Grandslam operating it. Other Joes can help, but this is their Military Specialty.

8. I want to see stories that focus on under used new & old characters.

9. I want to see Bombstrike calling for an airstrike on a column of Cobra Tanks! I want Sci fi Or Flash to paint the target with a laser.

10. No new Ninjas, or ninja teams. We already have Jinx, Snake Eyes, Scarlet, Storm Shadow, Quick Kick, and Budo!!!!

11. I would like to see more of Lt. Falcon, Outback, Jinx, Chuckles, Big Lob and Law & Order.

12. Don't dumb it down too much. You can keep some military jargon, and not overexplain the plot.... I think the audience will still "get it".

Shin-Gouki
09-02-2010, 04:59 PM
No corny dialogue/cliche catch phrases


GOOD Voice Acting

Cobra Commander has a classic look and NOT the ROC look

TF Beast Wars Level Writing. The writing in that (and TF Animated) took Transformers I could care less about as toys and made me LOVE the series. (In Animated's case it made me look beyond the stupid Baku/digi/poki/whatever animation and like the series) Which brings me to my lost cause

Animation that does not look half assed. I know that's what we are stuck with but it makes be sad that animation has come to this. Outsourced Animation sucks!

Hama like back story for Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow (I'm talking the first 60 issues or so)

IronMan76
09-02-2010, 05:00 PM
1. I would also like to See Destro as a separate entity. I want to see him and Gen. Voltar leading the Iron Grenadiers.

2. I would like to seethe possability of Non Cobra Villians.

3. I would like to see Overlord portrayed as an opportunistic Cobra officer, rapidly rising to the rank of general. Maybe even have him challenge Cobra Commander for leadership of Cobra Command, or branch off his own splinter group.

4. If they have the Night Creepers, I want them to be a separate organization like the file cards talk about. I want them to be a separate mercenary faction.

I Definately do not want to see:

1. Star Trek Level technology
2. Magic
3. Telepathy
4. Shape changing
5. Ghosts
6. Egyptian gods
7. super human abilities
8. Space Aliens
9. Time Travel

Tankers are the best JOE fans!

Shock Viper
09-10-2010, 09:16 AM
They could do a 2 to 3 stories running at the same time since the whole G.I. joe team is on the run. They could make it like the star wars clone wars where the story don't just evolve around one person or team. the joe team has a lot of team leaders not just duke. they could also learn some animation styles from Ghost in the shell, samurai 7 or Deus Ex. Try going a different approach, hate to see a military animation with out all the intricacy of it's hardware, again Deus Ex.

firefly069
09-10-2010, 10:56 AM
cameo appearances from a lot of cobra's like Firefly, scrap iron, copperhead etc....

Headman
09-10-2010, 11:43 AM
Less Snake Eyes / Storm Shadow. Infact, I want Snake Eyes scaled back to season 2 Sunbow levels.

I want a last minute name change for that creepy looking old guy who looks like Gus from Mission Hill. He should not be Hawk.

I want a ton of characters. They don't always have to focus on the same six guys like every version of Joe since ARAH has done.

I want them to move past the stupid A-team gimmick as soon as possible.

I want them to use the word terrorist.

I want them to go into space a couple times.

I want them to introduce Capt. Grid-Iron in the 3rd season.

I want the classic cobra troop builders back. Troopers, Crimson Guards, all the different Vipers...

I want Headman to show up.

I want the art that we've seen to turn out to be fake. Something just to throw us interwebz guys off.

I want Sgt Slaughter back as a character in season 2.

I want a bunch of Spirit episodes.

I want a bunch of Shipwreck episodes.

I want Bazooka to live.

I want Snake Eyes to die.

I want the Cobra Organization to sell snack cakes with cream filling.

I want Tiger Force and Python Patrol.

I want an episode where the Defiant crashes into the Flagg.

I want Serpentor to show up. Not some business man who likes Snakes, or a foreign leader secretly backing the Cobra Corp. but an honest to god clone emperor who's part Dracula.

Xenos
09-10-2010, 12:52 PM
I want a last minute name change for that creepy looking old guy who looks like Gus from Mission Hill. He should not be Hawk.
I kind of think that Hawk should be Flagg, and Flint should be Hawk. It just seems like it would make more sense.

Sailor_Joe
09-10-2010, 01:38 PM
I want to see the Joes used for their talents! not because that character is popular.


Of all the things... This tops my list.

Headman
09-10-2010, 01:41 PM
I kind of think that Hawk should be Flagg, and Flint should be Hawk. It just seems like it would make more sense.

I like the way you think.

Sailor_Joe
09-10-2010, 01:48 PM
I kind of think that Hawk should be Flagg, and Flint should be Hawk. It just seems like it would make more sense.

I agree with you on this one. I like Hawk being a military hard-ass. But if we're going for the whole "year-one" concept. Flagg should really be the general in charge. While I can see it, I don't think Hawk should be in Flint's place. But rather, a young Hawk (only a Colonel here) siding with the Joes on the run.

Xenos
09-10-2010, 02:06 PM
I agree with you on this one. I like Hawk being a military hard-ass. But if we're going for the whole "year-one" concept. Flagg should really be the general in charge. While I can see it, I don't think Hawk should be in Flint's place. But rather, a young Hawk (only a Colonel here) siding with the Joes on the run.

See, I think you could do some cool stuff with Flagg being the old general, Col. Hawk being in charge of the GI Joe hunters, and Flint being Hawk's right hand man.

Then you could have something like Flaggactually trusts Duke, but since he is an old timer he still thinks that you need to obay all the rules. Hawk would be the younger Col. trying to make a name for himself and just out to get the Joes so he get's name recognition, but as the series unfolds he starts to realize that the Joes are right, and then Flint would just be the bad ass ground pounder. kind of the Snake Eyes of the Falcon's.

I do have to say, reading the summary has really made me excited for the show. While I don't think all the characters sound like how I would want them, I do really like the three factions idea.

Headman
09-10-2010, 02:11 PM
I wouldn't call the sub-group "The falcons" either, because now you can't use Lt Falcon.

VideoViper
09-10-2010, 02:22 PM
I'd love to see a General Flagg, then have something happen. (Can't really show a death in a kids show.) General flagg is gone from the story. Then we see the USS Obama (or fictional politican) Obama is crossed out & the words USS Flagg is in its place.) Not trying to starting a political argument.

I think that would be a cleaver way of saying someone died without having to say it.

I'd like to see McCullen selling arms to the military/GI Joe, while bashing his this Destro guy. (We know how that turns out)

Spoilers:
Only things I read on this site. I think we will see a new unmasked Cobra Commander while he is not Cobra commander. Basically we will see both personaliies/faces of CC. Might be interesting to see how that story plays out.

CrimsonGuard101
09-10-2010, 02:26 PM
What needs to change-

Story- Starts up before the big final battles of Resolute. Explains more characters and develops the joes after the Sunbow Cartoon. This would also allow of all sorts of awesome spin offs to explain where and what other Joe characters are up too.

Characters- Need more connections to who they are and where they came from, not rebooting them again and just keeping the names people know. They do not need to be made into super power freinds with fantastical abilities. They are humans, they have real human probelms to deal with, they have plenty of characteristics and technology available. They do not need super ninja like reflexes, super mind control powers, or be Star Wars like super human computer robots.

Animation- not much can be done about what they have done here, but it totally needs to be changed and make the people look normal. Al it is is right now is a chepaned watered down Resolute. They look like King of the Hill or worse. The baggy pants are horrible, The water fishing boots with thier stilt skinny legs too small to even fill them look rediculous.

Figures and toys- Need to continue with POC as the basis, wave 3 Duke is perfectly fine in my book and acceptable as an animated figure or take for a Renegades version, anything less or more stylized then that NO WAY. No moving to over over stylized figures like Pre Vizla. He is too cartoony in the head, too SMALL and lanky in the body would look like a retard standing next to my POC figures. I like my the joes to have size and bulk to them, ya know normal human dimesnions, not overly exaggerted body featrues like obescity commander Hawk will have if he stays looking like that fat baloon he is...POC is a perfect base, the cartoon can suck all it wants but at least keep the toys looking great!

What dosen't need to change? I will give them the Logo...that looks pretty decent too bad it echos GI JOE that we are required to forget exists in order to accept what they have done here. We'll have to see how corney the BG music is, as Resolute didn't even help nor did ROC with great theme music for either of those.

Headman
09-10-2010, 02:26 PM
Then we see the USS Obama

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG that's funny.

Xenos
09-10-2010, 02:30 PM
I wouldn't call the sub-group "The falcons" either, because now you can't use Lt Falcon.

Yeah, this annoys me quite a bit too. Falcon was my all time favorite Joe, and I was really hoping he would get some airtime.

CrimsonGuard101
09-10-2010, 02:36 PM
Yeah, this annoys me quite a bit too. Falcon was my all time favorite Joe, and I was really hoping he would get some airtime.

They can stil use Falcon, The Falcons is like a football team, it dosent stop somone from having the Falcon code name. If it was Falcon's Champs or Falcon's Roughriders then yeah that implies it was used in a way to honor Falcon, as in that he is gone or something, but The Falcons if that is how it stays in the Cartoon will not preclude Falcon the character from exisitng. Sgt. Slaughter still existed along side his Slaughter's Marauders. Now wheter he will be human or not have insane pyscho powers or massive computer/cybernetic enhacmenets to give him crazy ninja like reflexes or if he even stays on the Joes side, thats to be seen...

Sailor_Joe
09-10-2010, 02:40 PM
I wouldn't call the sub-group "The falcons" either, because now you can't use Lt Falcon.
Actually, I was thinking that "Falcone's Falcons" might actually be part of it all. Just not introduced yet.

What needs to change-



Oh hell... Did you not learn anything from the other thread? Come on, man. Let it go. The bleeding will stop if you just apply some pressure.

Headman
09-10-2010, 02:42 PM
They can stil use Falcon, The Falcons is like a football team, it dosent stop somone from having the Falcon code name. If it was Falcon's Champs or Falcon's Roughriders then yeah that implies it was used in a way to honor Falcon, as in that he is gone or something, but The Falcons if that is how it stays in the Cartoon will not preclude Falcon the character from exisitng. Sgt. Slaughter still existed along side his Slaughter's Marauders. Now wheter he will be human or not have insane pyscho powers or massive computer/cybernetic enhacmenets to give him crazy ninja like reflexes or if he even stays on the Joes side, thats to be seen...

It's highly unlikely that they'll bring in a character named Falcon when there's already an entity in the show using that name. It would be like Optimus Prime announcing the newest member of the Autobots and his name being...Autobot.

CrimsonGuard101
09-10-2010, 02:49 PM
It's highly unlikely that they'll bring in a character named Falcon when there's already an entity in the show using that name. It would be like Optimus Prime announcing the newest member of the Autobots and his name being...Autobot.

So why was it ok for Slaughters Mauraders to exist with Sgt. Slaughter as a member of the team, be it's name sake, in the same continuity of the cartoon? Oh wait I am supposed to forget the past Joe...my bad...

Headman
09-10-2010, 03:07 PM
So why was it ok for Slaughters Mauraders to exist with Sgt. Slaughter as a member of the team, be it's name sake, in the same continuity of the cartoon? Oh wait I am supposed to forget the past Joe...my bad...

Because the team was named after their leader Sgt. Slaughter. Falcon hasn't been introduced. If it were Falcon's Falcons that would be one thing, but this is Flint's team.

Sailor_Joe
09-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Because the team was named after their leader Sgt. Slaughter. Falcon hasn't been introduced. If it were Falcon's Falcons that would be one thing, but this is Flint's team.

But just because they haven't introduced him yet, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. In 1982, we had Cobra but no Cobra Commander. And in 1983, he was mail-order only figure.

Falcon can be Flint's direct commanding officer. Being a Green Beret like Flint, this makes sense.

Headman
09-10-2010, 03:22 PM
But just because they haven't introduced him yet, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. In 1982, we had Cobra but no Cobra Commander. And in 1983, he was mail-order only figure.

Falcon can be Flint's direct commanding officer. Being a Green Beret like Flint, this makes sense.

I'm not saying it's not possible. But I don't think it's likely. I don't think the powers that be favor Falcon very much. After GI Joe the movie failed to do what they hoped it would, Falcon seemed to catch the heat and was (to use a wrestling term) jobbed out in the Dic series and then dropped completely from future incarnations of GI Joe.

Sailor_Joe
09-10-2010, 04:01 PM
I'm not saying it's not possible. But I don't think it's likely. I don't think the powers that be favor Falcon very much. After GI Joe the movie failed to do what they hoped it would, Falcon seemed to catch the heat and was (to use a wrestling term) jobbed out in the Dic series and then dropped completely from future incarnations of GI Joe.

Yah... a sad fate for the ole' LT. Besides, I've gotta feeling they're gonna implement some of Falcon's traits into Flint. Kind of like they did with Rock 'n' Roadblock. Since Flint was the more marketable character, they went with him to lead Falcone's.... errrr... Flint's Falcons.