what are the spoilers that you HATE

[Crimson Guard 51]

ok, i'm really sad to say, there are many more here than there were for the positive thread...

the reason i'm not looking for this movie to knock my socks off.


1.) it's international...the team isn't "a real american hero."
2.) on a similar note, Snakey Le Peu ( a french snake eyes ??? )
3.) snake eyes talks...along with the vow of silence
4.) NO snake eyes / scarlett, more like snake eyes / ripcord???
5.) they kill storm shadow...i understand why and how, just don't like it.
6.) total deviation from the comic books

[Dropshot]

The storm shadow death and snake eyes nationality, it's completely irrational of why the chose it that way.

[Derek2783]

1. I posted this in the other thread, but my number one irritant:
"Zee 'ard Masteu's meeudeuah eez dead. I kee-an break ze zee-lenze. Go ze Joe!"
2. A Korean ninja?
3. Pretty much everything else in the script

I'm desperately hoping I eat each and every negative word I've said about this movie. Desperately.

[Crimson Guard 51]

1. I posted this in the other thread, but my number one irritant:
"Zee 'ard Masteu's meeudeuah eez dead. I kee-an break ze zee-lenze. Go ze Joe!"
2. A Korean ninja clan?
3. Pretty much everything else in the script

I'm desperately hoping I eat each and every negative word I've said about this movie. Desperately.

whoa, i missed something...the Arashikage clan is Korean? even though the NAME is Japanese?

you're lying...

[MAJOR WOLF]

Ripcord & Scarlett is a disappointment!

[Crimson Guard 51]

Ripcord & Scarlett is a disappointment!

YA think?

everytime i read something lately it's disappointing.

i hate this...i'm not a negative person.

[Amaury Sanderson]

"Oeil de serpent"... it sounds very ... bad.
Moreover there is no possibility to truly connect a french with martial arts (it's a cultural problem), or to simply think SE came from there.
There is no need to reinvent SE, he's no Boba Fett !

[SnakeEyes]

OK...so SE is French, he talks, SS dies, Scarlett gets with Ripcord, who's played my Marlon Wayans, and Gen. Hawk and Duke are the only American members of the team?! HMMM...(scratching my head until it bleeds)...If that's all true, I'll puke! WHY dear God, WHY do they have to screw EVERYTHING up?!!!! I TRULY hope I'm wrong. I hope the movie is this generation's Star Wars. But, I think the script (based on what I've heard of course) is FUBAR!!!!

[Derek2783]

whoa, i missed something...the Arashikage clan is Korean? even though the NAME is Japanese?

you're lying...

Well, the ninja clan is based in Saigon, and they speak Japanese, but during SS's first appearance the script reads:

"McCullen turns to see STORMSHADOW, a well-tailored Korean man..."


Hawk and Duke are the only American members of the team?!

Er... Hawk is actually British...

[Amberbratt]

this is why it is Called a MOVIE GUYS and PLAYED BY A-C-T-O-R-S


If anyone doesn't like the movie... everyone could pull together with thier millions and buy rights to the property and try to shoot thier own FilM :D


Parts of it suck I agree but i will not really talk to much crap about it until i see the final product..

I will pay my 10$ and if it sucks.. I will not buy the DVD If its cool then I will come on and tell people my favorite parts (after its been out for a while) then.. just accept it as what it is a different view on a IP belonging to a Mass Conglomerate..

I wont lose sleep though...

[Gentleman]

Looks like the leaked script has spread like disease...




Oh and... WAYANS AS COMIC RELIEF. That's the spoiler I hate.

[TheVileOne]

No romantic relationship between Snake Eyes and Scarlett is what bothers me the most.

[Crimson Guard 51]

this is why it is Called a MOVIE GUYS and PLAYED BY A-C-T-O-R-S

If anyone doesn't like the movie... everyone could pull together with thier millions and buy rights to the property and try to shoot thier own FilM :D



you're right...a movie...about a story that we all know.

IF they're such good actors, the Korean man could play the Japanese-American Ninja.

the scottish martial arts master can play the mute, disfigured AMERICAN ninja who's in love with the hottie red from Georgia, the state, not the country.

etc.

if i thought Joe fans could come up with about $500 million, that would be a great idea, but when you consider the toy sales, the comics, the movie, that's the figure they'd want.

not realistic...

SO, we'll do what our AMERICAN founding fathers did, and protest what we don't like and petition our grievances which Jefferson, Adams, et al. all wanted us to when we were upset.

maybe Hasbro will see what they'll potentially lose in profit...then they might change.

[gijoevscobra4ever]

I'll pay my $10 bucks...

Handbrake when I can rent it.

[copywrite]

you're right...a movie...about a story that we all know.

IF they're such good actors, the Korean man could play the Japanese-American Ninja.

the scottish martial arts master can play the mute, disfigured AMERICAN ninja who's in love with the hottie red from Georgia, the state, not the country.

etc.

if i thought Joe fans could come up with about $500 million, that would be a great idea, but when you consider the toy sales, the comics, the movie, that's the figure they'd want.

not realistic...

SO, we'll do what our AMERICAN founding fathers did, and protest what we don't like and petition our grievances which Jefferson, Adams, et al. all wanted us to when we were upset.

maybe Hasbro will see what they'll potentially lose in profit...then they might change.

Yeah, they aren't going to change anything because a few fanboys aren't happy with the direction of the movie. They'll still make hundreds of millions of dollars off of the movie just like they did Transformers. Look how far that deviated from the comics/cartoon, still a successful movie.

You guys just sound like a bunch of babies at this point.

[Crimson Guard 51]

Yeah, they aren't going to change anything because a few fanboys aren't happy with the direction of the movie. They'll still make hundreds of millions of dollars off of the movie just like they did Transformers. Look how far that deviated from the comics/cartoon, still a successful movie.

You guys just sound like a bunch of babies at this point.

ok...if we're fanboys, that makes you a mark...a band wagon jumper with no principles upon which you stand. a sell out...a simpleton...a tool, i.e., something to be used.

how ya like that? we're standing by a proven product that we liked as kids, and still like. it is important to us, and we don't want to see it messed up.

you 'want to be entertained.' how small minded of you to think that the same characters that entertained us 25 years ago wouldn't work today.

name calling doesn't do anyone any good. i started this post for people to cite issues and discuss them...not call names, but if that's what you want, i'm a world class smart ass...i can do that stuff all day. i'd rather not.

they MAY make alot of money...i've offered many examples on here where people put some money into movies that made big changes to what the audience knew, wanted, or expected, and the films flopped, or at least came in disappointed.

and, it's NOT just a few fanboys.

i MIGHT be more inclined to give them a shot if they would give me a reason ( other than overseas sells, broadening the audience, etc ) for changing characters, histories, relationships, nationalities, etc.

a GREAT example...Mary Jane in the spiderman movies is a mixture of the Mary Jane character AND the Gwen character from the comics. why didn't they just use Gwen? cause it would take too long...

ok, i understand that...it makes sense.

why did they change Snake Eyes / Scarlett? "because he's already got his storyline in this movie..." WTF? it's a movie, make the storyline to FIT the story you need to tell...move the hardmaster stuff to the second move, etc.

why did they change nationalities? "to get the overseas money..." the big money on big budget films comes from the domestic box office. if it's a good movie, they'd watch it overseas ANYWAY...contrary to what you hear on the evening news, the world does NOT hate the United States.

the OLD stories, not really stories, but characters SOLD like ice water in hell during the 80's and early 90's...what is out there to make us think that the same wouldn't hold true for today?

then you would have the old fans AND the new...

that would be a good business decision...

that would make everyone happy...

that would be better...

that would be GIJOE...

THIS is not.

[Magnus]

I hate Ripcord.

Storm Shadow dies.

No Snake Eyes and Scarlett relationship.

The whole Baroness/Duke/Rex relationship. Cliched as you can get.

The whole nanomites thing. I HATE that.

Why did they even have Cover Girl in this movie? She doesn't do anything except give documents to Hawk.

Snake Eyes talks at the end. Awful.

Scarlett has no personality to speak of.

General corniness, like the part where Duke and Ripcord are running after the Baroness' SUV and they run through a bar. Ripcord stops to pick up a drink that is sitting next to a 'Drink Responsibly.' sign. Cheesy and stupid attempts at humor like that always irritate me.

[Crimson Guard 51]

i'm glad i haven't seen the script.

some of that doesn't bother me.

the aspects of characters that they changed for NO reason other than they didn't like the original stuff irritates me.

[copywrite]

ok...if we're fanboys, that makes you a mark...a band wagon jumper with no principles upon which you stand. a sell out...a simpleton...a tool, i.e., something to be used.

how ya like that? we're standing by a proven product that we liked as kids, and still like. it is important to us, and we don't want to see it messed up.

you 'want to be entertained.' how small minded of you to think that the same characters that entertained us 25 years ago wouldn't work today.

name calling doesn't do anyone any good. i started this post for people to cite issues and discuss them...not call names, but if that's what you want, i'm a world class smart ass...i can do that stuff all day. i'd rather not.

they MAY make alot of money...i've offered many examples on here where people put some money into movies that made big changes to what the audience knew, wanted, or expected, and the films flopped, or at least came in disappointed.

and, it's NOT just a few fanboys.

i MIGHT be more inclined to give them a shot if they would give me a reason ( other than overseas sells, broadening the audience, etc ) for changing characters, histories, relationships, nationalities, etc.

a GREAT example...Mary Jane in the spiderman movies is a mixture of the Mary Jane character AND the Gwen character from the comics. why didn't they just use Gwen? cause it would take too long...

ok, i understand that...it makes sense.

why did they change Snake Eyes / Scarlett? "because he's already got his storyline in this movie..." WTF? it's a movie, make the storyline to FIT the story you need to tell...move the hardmaster stuff to the second move, etc.

why did they change nationalities? "to get the overseas money..." the big money on big budget films comes from the domestic box office. if it's a good movie, they'd watch it overseas ANYWAY...contrary to what you hear on the evening news, the world does NOT hate the United States.

the OLD stories, not really stories, but characters SOLD like ice water in hell during the 80's and early 90's...what is out there to make us think that the same wouldn't hold true for today?

then you would have the old fans AND the new...

that would be a good business decision...

that would make everyone happy...

that would be better...

that would be GIJOE...

THIS is not.
I grew up with GI Joe, but I don't care about story depth in a summer blockbuster because I know that's not what I'm going to get. It's going to be an action movie. I just want to see GI Joe vs Cobra, all the rest of the crap I couldn't care less about because once I sit down to watch the movie I won't be thinking about it.

I truly think you're a moron. Yes, I'm resorting to name calling again, because I can't get passed the fact that you believe everything you've read. This is not a direct adaptation of the comics or cartoons. It's their interpretation on GI Joe, I don't understand why you guys can't accept that. It's no different than a new comic publisher creating new stories and backstories and looks for characters, this is just on a larger scale. But because it's Hollywood, you guys use the ridiculous cliche of them ruining something for money. It's the same as Transformers, pretty much nothing in that movie was like the comics or cartoon, no one cared after they saw it except the fanboys who won't admit when they're wrong because the movie was actually good.

This is also an origin's movie, who knows what will happen in the next one. You might get all of your precious stories that the millions of people who see the movie won't give two shits about. They want this movie to appeal to everyone, not just you guys who sit on a website all day and play with your 20 year old toys still at the age of 30.

And yes, whether you like it or not, you fanboys are only a small percentage of their target audience with this project.

[Magnus]

And yes, whether you like it or not, you fanboys are only a small percentage of their target audience with this project.
Precisely. Even though I didn't like the script, Bob Moviegoer will love it.

[Golobulous]

if it wasn't for the fanboys stuff like gi joe and transformers would have been dead years ago, just sayin!

[GI Guppy the third]

I wonder if the value of the American dollar hadn't dropped, would this team be as international as it is now? Right now, America isn't popular but the fact this movie is going to depend on international box offices a little more now than 5 years ago, probably influenced a couple character's backgrounds. Really, it doesn't bother me. In fact, I think having international characters working together is much cooler.

The only gripe is, I liked SE to not have a background. With more thought, the French thing doesn't bother me at all. Everyone assumes he's american but I can see him being anything and everything and it doesn't matter. He doesn't speak so he doesn't reminesnce about growing up in a small town or used regional lingo/dialects. Also, he always seems to be the only one on the team using Uzis, which isn't exactly an American Special Forces/Military weapon, even for the eighties. So him being French, isn't a problem, it's him being anything at all that creates a problem.....On a personal note, I kind of always wished he was a defected Soviet. I don't know why......

At the same time, let's not get bent out of shape over "leaked information". It's stirred the net and that's what they want. Bay is currently playing with Transformer fans, why would he leave us unscaved?
I think SS being killed is the one thing that is definitely bogus. There's probably something in the film to make SE believe he is dead to cause him to lower his guard. I mean why are you going to kill one of the most overproduced figs in the first film?

[G.I.Eddie]

Precisely. Even though I didn't like the script, Bob Moviegoer will love it.

"Bob Moviegoer" would love it even if they didn't change the history already established...

why tick off the only people that will care, the people that made GIJOE what it is today? the people that helped get the brand to the point where it is even feasible to make a movie about it?

what do i HATE?...that they threw PRACTICALLY all established history out the window...

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

Hate to say it, but I can see "Bob Moviegoer" not liking it either, and also, if you ARE ON A GI JOE WEBSITE AND BASH GI JOE FANS AND FANDOM (IE "YOU FANBOYS") THEN YOU, SIR, ARE BOTH IGNORANT AND CHILDISH).

[Crimson Guard 51]

I grew up with GI Joe, but I don't care about story depth in a summer blockbuster because I know that's not what I'm going to get.
I truly think you're a moron. Yes, I'm resorting to name calling again, because I can't get passed the fact that you believe everything you've read.
They want this movie to appeal to everyone, not just you guys who sit on a website all day and play with your 20 year old toys still at the age of 30.
And yes, whether you like it or not, you fanboys are only a small percentage of their target audience with this project.


1.) it's obvious you don't care. we DO.

2.) I'M a moron, with a bachelors and Masters degree, WHILE you're then 'enlightened' one who CAN'T SPELL 'PAST' CORRECTLY. thanks for pointing that out.

3.) i actually have a job, with people who report to me, and i to others as well. when i'm not there, i'm in the gym or playing with my 5 year old son or 7 month old daughter. the 5 year old's favorite toys this christmas, were the 25th anniversary toy line. he's got a subscription to both of the ddp lines of the comics. HE plays with them. he also prefers the '86 cartoon Transformers to the '07 'pipes on steroids' version.

4.) NO ONE can answer WHY they changed the old line's characters and background. IF joe moviegoer will like it cause it's a blockbuster, then they'd like it with the OLD, established characters. WHY can't anyone answer this?

5.) 2 comic companies, 3 adaptations, and two animation companies have taken the franchise with the same backgrounds...the comics have had 2 restarts that picked up where the others started...it makes GI Joe unique in the comic world that it is ONE continuity.

6.) i don't believe everything i read...i go with President Reagan's method..."trust but verify." the problem is most of the people saying they've read the script are coming with the same story, so as far, it's been verified.

7.) we may make up a 'small' percentage of who they're going after, but those people aren't proven, where as the people who have kept GI Joe going for 25 plus years are. you ALWAYS appease your base...simple politics, good business. we make up a LARGE percentage of the people who will SEE this movie...well, some of us might not.

8.) if you don't think much about plot, story, etc, that puts you on about a 9th grade or lower grade level...do you work in Hollywood?

9.) i'm a firm believer in 'do what you are good at.' you wanted to play the name calling game...you're not very good at it...perhaps we'll have a spelling contest...oh yeah, you sucked at that, too. or as you'd say, two.

[copywrite]

So you just assume that I have no job or a college degree, blah blah blah. Typical internet goob. z0mg eye us3d teh wrong speling for a w0rd, I must be st00pid...I like how you edited your post for your grammatical errors though. :)

The reason they change things is the same reason they changed things on Transformers(I hate having to keep bringing this back up) because some things from the comics and cartoons won't work on screen. Snake-Eyes/Scarlett for example, sorry, but it's not gonna happen. The core essence of all the characters is still there though. And you still don't even know what's going to happen if and when the sequel is made. This is just the start. You guys seem to think this movie is taking place in the middle of the battle between Cobra and GI-Joe.

How does me not caring about the plot of this movie that isn't meant to have any depth put me at a 9th grade level? If I want to watch a movie with a plot, I'll go watch Vertigo or Citizen Kane(I've seen every movie on AFI top 100. I'm kind of a movie buff), not GI Joe or Transformers. You seem to be expecting something that isn't there. I'm pretty much seeing this movie for nostalgic reasons and to be entertained for 2 hours.

I could call you a plethora of names if I really felt like it. I didn't realize you had a vagina about being called a name. I'm sorry if I hurt your sensitive feelings.

I still stand by my you being a moron statement. :)

[darthZartan]

I'm a bit confused with the decision "hollywood" made with snake eyes. According to them (and copywrite), a vow of silence (that snake eyes breaks at the end rendering it pointless) is a BETTER idea than having him mute do to damage to his vocal chords from a helicopter crash. A crash he walks away from with his head on fire while he rescues scarlet.
For clarity, I do not like or understand this change.
Copywrite, stop calling others names and read this...
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8112

[copywrite]

First off, sorry about the name callings.

Second, FINALLY someone can see past(zomg I used it correctly, does that make me smart now?) their love for the original stories and can accept that some things won't work on screen. Another example is Cobra Commander being a disgruntled used car salesman. I much more like the idea of him being a genius who wants revenge.

[darthZartan]

The car salesman thing was always silly to me to. Glad they are dropping that.

[Crimson Guard 51]

So you just assume that I have no job or a college degree, blah blah blah. Typical internet goob. z0mg eye us3d teh wrong speling for a w0rd, I must be st00pid...I like how you edited your post for your grammatical errors though. :)

The reason they change things is the same reason they changed things on Transformers(I hate having to keep bringing this back up) because some things from the comics and cartoons won't work on screen. Snake-Eyes/Scarlett for example, sorry, but it's not gonna happen. The core essence of all the characters is still there though. And you still don't even know what's going to happen if and when the sequel is made. This is just the start. You guys seem to think this movie is taking place in the middle of the battle between Cobra and GI-Joe.

How does me not caring about the plot of this movie that isn't meant to have any depth put me at a 9th grade level? If I want to watch a movie with a plot, I'll go watch Vertigo or Citizen Kane(I've seen every movie on AFI top 100. I'm kind of a movie buff), not GI Joe or Transformers. You seem to be expecting something that isn't there. I'm pretty much seeing this movie for nostalgic reasons and to be entertained for 2 hours.

I could call you a plethora of names if I really felt like it. I didn't realize you had a vagina about being called a name. I'm sorry if I hurt your sensitive feelings.

I still stand by my you being a moron statement. :)

here we go again...

1.) never said you didn't have a 'degree', or 'job.' i said you can't spell. you wrote 'passed' for 'past.' probably because you haven't 'passed' many spelling or english test in your life. it's not my fault.

2.) gotta confess to something...i really get confused with some of the internet abbreviations, etc...so you got me with the z0mg thing. i'm guessing the OMG means 'oh my God' but it would be a guess. i guess you have the 'internet goob' thing over on me. congratulations. you should be very proud.

3.) i didn't edit ANYTHING for grammatical errors...i editted the post to ADD more smart ass lines. sorry if that got the old ovaries in a wad.

4.) please, oh wise movie buff, who's seen all the top 100 movies on AFI...WHY would Snake Eyes and Scarlett not work? they're both actors...actors act...a good writer, with a good director and good actors can make any script work. but i'll make you a bet. if it is NOT in this movie after the re-writes and test audiences, i bet it makes it to the sequel. and when it does, HOW will you explain what you said WON'T work?

5.) as to the "how does not caring about the plot...make you a 9th grader"...it goes to the mentality. most of your reality TV, and MTV productions are geared that way. most newspapers, magazines, etc, are geared to 9th graders. my bachelors is in business and marketing but my masters is in education. i've had to do the research on this. that is the grade level when they really start pushing character development, plot, and hidden meanings in movies, books, plays, etc. most things before that are much more simple. you just confessed to being entertained by a 'simplistic' mindset. it doesn't necessarily make you STUPID...and i should probably apologize for insinuating so. you should realize that there are some of us that care about the franchise that care for a little bit more.

6.) i've been called much worse by much better. and quite frequently i give as good as i get. glad you saw "the three amigos" and picked up 'plethora' complete with the correct usage. good job. you're improving.

7.) please, someone, EXPLAIN WHY the old characterizations, American Joes, "Real American Heroes" will NOT work.

that has NOT been done...by you, or ANYONE else. and when you have the company that owns the rights to the franchise, Hasbro, publishizing the movie as 'based on the original comics run' then there is a serious issue of FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.

[Crimson Guard 51]

The car salesman thing was always silly to me to. Glad they are dropping that.


Cobra Commander was a used car salesman at some point in his past. it is never said when.

he also founded various companies, the first of which was a pyramid scheme ( many of those have been done and the profits used to build other fortunes ) that he used the finances of to found and run Cobra. he then used Cobra to build these companies into conglomerates.

saying he was JUST a used car salesman is like saying Ronald Reagan did a film "bedtime for bonzo" then was elected president...or Mohandas K. Gandhi was a S. African Lawyer, or the Dalei Lama is a monk...

it's technically true, but it is NOT anywhere near the whole story.

Why can't you get 'passed' that? ( how's that CW? )

[copywrite]

here we go again...

1.) never said you didn't have a 'degree', or 'job.' i said you can't spell. you wrote 'passed' for 'past.' probably because you haven't 'passed' many spelling or english test in your life. it's not my fault.

I didn't realize misspelling one word on the internet of all places was the basis for judging my education. Yeah, sorry for typing fast and not proof reading my post.


2.) gotta confess to something...i really get confused with some of the internet abbreviations, etc...so you got me with the z0mg thing. i'm guessing the OMG means 'oh my God' but it would be a guess. i guess you have the 'internet goob' thing over on me. congratulations. you should be very proud.

You're not fooling anyone by acting like you don't know internet abbreviations. And I called you a goob because you need to resort to grammar arguments to somehow get your point across. It has nothing to do with the movie, why bring it up?


3.) i didn't edit ANYTHING for grammatical errors...i editted the post to ADD more smart ass lines. sorry if that got the old ovaries in a wad.

I know, I was just being a smart ass.

By the way, you spelled 'edited' wrong.


4.) please, oh wise movie buff, who's seen all the top 100 movies on AFI...WHY would Snake Eyes and Scarlett not work? they're both actors...actors act...a good writer, with a good director and good actors can make any script work. but i'll make you a bet. if it is NOT in this movie after the re-writes and test audiences, i bet it makes it to the sequel. and when it does, HOW will you explain what you said WON'T work?

You make it sound like I'm flaunting it, and think I'm better than you. hmm...sounds familiar.

Even if it does make it to the sequel that doesn't mean it will work. I don't think it will. I guess we'll wait and see.


5.) as to the "how does not caring about the plot...make you a 9th grader"...it goes to the mentality. most of your reality TV, and MTV productions are geared that way. most newspapers, magazines, etc, are geared to 9th graders. my bachelors is in business and marketing but my masters is in education. i've had to do the research on this. that is the grade level when they really start pushing character development, plot, and hidden meanings in movies, books, plays, etc. most things before that are much more simple. you just confessed to being entertained by a 'simplistic' mindset. it doesn't necessarily make you STUPID...and i should probably apologize for insinuating so. you should realize that there are some of us that care about the franchise that care for a little bit more.

I don't watch mtv, reality shows, etc. because they insult my intelligence. I rarely watch tv as it is.
I'm going to see this movie because it seems like fun, that doesn't make me simple minded. I just know what I'm going to get, and it's not story depth.



7.) please, someone, EXPLAIN WHY the old characterizations, American Joes, "Real American Heroes" will NOT work.

that has NOT been done...by you, or ANYONE else. and when you have the company that owns the rights to the franchise, Hasbro, publishizing the movie as 'based on the original comics run' then there is a serious issue of FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.
You also misspelled 'publishing.' Come on Mr. education major, make sure you're grammar is perfect before posting on the internet. How ever did you get your masters?

It is based on the original comic run, what are you reading?

[Crimson Guard 51]

I didn't realize misspelling one word on the internet of all places was the basis for judging my education. Yeah, sorry for typing fast and not proof reading my post.


You're not fooling anyone by acting like you don't know internet abbreviations. And I called you a goob because you need to resort to grammar arguments to somehow get your point across. It has nothing to do with the movie, why bring it up?


I know, I was just being a smart ass.

By the way, you spelled 'edited' wrong.


You make it sound like I'm flaunting it, and think I'm better than you. hmm...sounds familiar.

Even if it does make it to the sequel that doesn't mean it will work. I don't think it will. I guess we'll wait and see.


I don't watch mtv, reality shows, etc. because they insult my intelligence. I rarely watch tv as it is.
I'm going to see this movie because it seems like fun, that doesn't make me simple minded. I just know what I'm going to get, and it's not story depth.


You also misspelled 'publishing.' Come on Mr. education major, make sure you're grammar is perfect before posting on the internet. How ever did you get your masters?

It is based on the original comic run, what are you reading?

1.) you can come on here and throw insults at me all day, it's your right. it also has NOTHING to do with the post topic. people, MANY OF THEM, are posting things they don't like about what they've heard on this movie. if you'll notice, i did a "what are the favorite things you've heard about this movie"...it is MUCH shorter.

2.) if you are saying that this IS based on the original comic run, then you haven't read much of the original comic book. it has more done differently than it has similarly. IF you are saying that it is NOT based on the original comic run, and Where did i get that info...I got it right here on hisstank...the interview with the Exec from Hasbro said as much...he mentioned the TV show a little, but said it was going to be mainly based on the original 152 issue comic. i'm sure it's on here somewhere still.

3.) EVERYTHING i've said on here is ABOUT the movie. if being a HUGE GI Joe fan as a kid makes me a goob...i'm a goob. this is pretty much it for me on the internet though...unless you go to a SouthernMiss football message board...i like it too. still don't know the internet jargon.

4.) i'm glad you're putting more emphasis on your spelling and grammar. i'll blame mine on posting at 1:00 in the morning. it's not something i'm used to. i'll assume, at the risk of it, that you suffer the same fate.

5.) 10 boring 3 hour classes, and 2, 3 hour standardized test, followed by a 'comps' exam. i'll put you in touch with my advisor if you'd like.

fact is, YOU STILL have NOT answered my question about WHY the old characterizations would NOT work.

from ALL appearances they are going after a hypothetical audience with international members, etc.

i saw a preview tonight while leaving the gym...it was for 'speed racer.' he was a white american. big screw up i guess. it will never sale now, in your opinion.

[copywrite]

are we done?

[Crimson Guard 51]

you tell me...it seems there are quite alot of us that have problems and to say the least reservations about this film.

we might not care how much sci fi, etc, they use in the movie AS LONG AS THEY GET THE CHARACTERS RIGHT.

you can develope the characters over the whole 'trilogy' by giving a little here, and a little there.

a simple boom, blast, pow, bang movie won't make it. the majority of Joe fans KNOW the back story and will WANT to see signs of it.

there are plenty of good, entertaining movies that have deep plots.

LA Confidential, based on the popular book.

even "the Man in the Iron Mask" was entertaining, and had a relatively good plot with some depth ( nothing compared to the novel ).

if you just do the special effects, etc, you're going to get the Batman movies from the 90's, as opposed to Batman Begins.

i don't think ANY of us want to see that happen to GI Joe.

you don't change a working recipe when you don't have to.

i'm still waiting on a reason for the multiple changes.

we'll be done then.

[G.I.Eddie]

it's very very simple...the average movie go'er won't care how they go with the history of the film, the fans will, why do this?

[Crimson Guard 51]

as someone posted earlier..."to make a better story."

as if one that has lasted 25 years isn't compelling.

[copywrite]

That's just how these movies work. Look at Transformers, if it weren't for the boom, blast, pow the movie would have been downright terrible.

I think they are getting the characters right, whether or not you like the casting choices. It's obvious they're going to make more than 1 movie, so you still might get your SE/Scarlett(I still think if it happens, it will be altered). I think some of you are just getting hasty to call this movie terrible because not everything from the comics is making it into the first movie.

I still don't see these major changes you speak of. I wouldn't consider Snake-Eyes being French or Storm Shadow being Korean to be BIG changes because it doesn't really affect the characters at all. The only real big change I can think of is the Duke/Baroness/CC story, and it seems interesting from what I've read. And them being international, I can understand why people would be upset about that, but you can't ask us to tell you why they changed that because we don't know.

[Crimson Guard 51]

transformers could have been alot better. it was good, but not great. but, WHAT IF the Autobots had been from planet "Autobotoria" and the decepticons from some equally stupidly named planet...then the war wasn't a civil war, but a war of conquest. What if Optimus was a Jet? What if Megatron was a medic and starscream the leader? those are big changes. so are these.

i've not complained about the casting choices, except for the Rock as shipwreck and Fraser as GungHo. i think that has been pretty good.

i've a question...WHY can't the Snake Eyes / Scarlett relationship work out? cause he's handicapped? cause in THIS movie, he is NOT.

MAJOR CHANGES: ( i hope they don't take this as a name for a knew officer for the GI Joes )

1.) no REAL AMERICAN HERO...that's about as big as they come, when you're taking an American Icon, and making it international. WHY NOT sell american ideals to the world? life, liberty, and happiness not in vogue any longer?

2.) Snake Eyes talking...DUH, that is big

3.) NO Snake Eyes / Scarlett

4.) the Arashikage Clan being based out of Vietnam...and being Korean, when the name is Japanese. ditto the Storm Shadow character.

5.) the main Joe base, the Pit, being based in EGYPT...it isn't a FOB ( forward observation base, it's their main hq...in EGYPT... )

6.) CC being a mad scientist, and the brother of the Baroness. again, pretty damn big.

7.) Snake Eyes being an orphan raised by the previously mentioned Vietnames / Korean / Japanese Ninja Clan. the story has ALWAYS, consistently been that Snake Eyes came from the typical All American family, mom, dad, sister. it even shows in DDP that his father was fairly religious later implying that Snake Eyes had his faith shattered with all that happened to him. the loss of them in his adult life deeply scarred him and is ONE of the reasons that he is as loyal and faithful to his 'new family.' that could easily be played out over 3 films and would help with the development of Scarlett's character.

8.) scarlett as an Aussie...while Aussie's are hot, so are southern girls. she's the anti snake eyes in many ways...product of a large family...he's an orphan as an adult. she has EVERYTHING to prove...he's so confident, that he has to prove nothing...
in other ways, they're the same...tight family, middle american upbringing, 'all american people' etc...

those are pretty big deals.

my opinion is that some of you guys just jumping on the bandwagon, waving away all of this character development ( that could be used in ANY storyline ) are doing so out of sheer exuberance over the movie being made.

i am a bit more picky. i know what i like...and i know GI Joe...this movie has little of either, from what i've read.

[JohnnyBigGuns]

The Pitt will be based in Egypt?

God help us.

[VIPER 48]

Honestly, i will go and see the movie once, and then when it is released on dvd, i will buy one copy just to have it. I would do this if it were a great movie, or a total flop. It doesn't matter to me. This movie is never going to be what everyone wants so the best we can do is just wait and see, then we can talk about what was good and what wasn't. I can't judge this movie before i see it...

[Reznor]

Having not read the script, reading this forum and seeing what you all say about it, does make me scratch my head.

I can totally understand the international thing. America IS NOT popular right now, and to make a movie where America is bad-ass and can kick anyones butt probably wont do well overall, and probably wouldn't be a smart idea.

My biggest fear though, is not all these changes, my fear comes from Steven Sommers himself.

While I thought the original Mummy was a blast (and I believe it may be a key reason Indiana Jones got brought up again in Hollywood), I thought that the sequel was kinda getting too big for its britches.

What I mean is, Sommers was highly complimented on his effects on The Mummy, and from what Ive heard, he went crazy with the effects on The Mummy 2, to the point that he was out of money by the time the movie was finished, hense the horrible Scorpion King creature effects.

Then he came out with Van Helsing. I despise that movie. It could have been so cool, but he threw in some of the wierdest things, IE: the wolf-man and Frakenstein doing trapeze, and some of the effects I feel were horrible (that ballroom scene with the the guys on the ropes).

This guy has a reputation for blowing a ton of cash in the oddest of places, and on trying to out-do CGI to the point that it comes out blaringly fake.

So thats where my biggest fear lies. And in regards of the scene dealing with Ripcord buying a drink while on a chase (or somethink like that), expect all kinds of cheese like that.

And Copywrite, I am confused as to why someone would come on a dedicated GI Joe server, just to call the people on it fanboys.

Im not gonna pick a fight with ya, I have plenty of spelling errors in this post I know, but I just don't get it i guess.

As for your comments about how blockbusters aren't supposed to have any substance other than "bang and boom"...that kinda stuff breaks my heart. Ive felt that the last few years of movies have lacked quite a bit, due to all the "bang and boom" movies.

When they do popular, movies that I like, aka: with substance, dont ever get the funding or attention from big studios anymore.
And because of that, everything that Hwood gets ahold of, goes through the ringer with all of the execs.

I have a friend who knows a guy who was in a movie here recently, and its real interesting hearing an actors point of view about what execs do to movies these days.

Anymore it feels like execs have a dart board with a bunch of random ideas, and whatever they hit, they change their script accordingly.

I understand a lot of the GI Joe movie changes, I really do, but to changes things that have a deep history, just for the sake of changing them, doesnt really piss me off like others, but it sure as hell confuses me.

Easy thing to do though.

[Metroflex]

I say bring on the changes! The Star Wars prequels taught me something very valuable: change is good. Everyone wanted to see a suited Vader kicking ass for three movies straight. As appealing as that sounds, it would have gotten very old, very quickly. If you want to see a suited Vader, watch the original Star Wars trilogy. If you want to see G.I. Joe as you remember it, watch the old cartoon. I'm all for new interpretations of my old favourites. It breathes new life into these franchises and introduces more new fans. Change is good, same is stale.

[Metroflex]

Honestly, i will go and see the movie once, and then when it is released on dvd, i will buy one copy just to have it. I would do this if it were a great movie, or a total flop. It doesn't matter to me. This movie is never going to be what everyone wants so the best we can do is just wait and see, then we can talk about what was good and what wasn't. I can't judge this movie before i see it...

Very well, and intelligently, said.

[SnakeEyes]

Unnecessary change is a pointless waste of time. And, you can't compare the "changes" (if that's what you'd call them) that were made in Star Wars to the changes being reported for this Joe movie. At least in the SW prequels Anakin was still Anakin. The beauty of what Lucas did with the SW prequels was that he reaffirmed the histories and backgrounds of the characters he had created years ago! That's exactly what needs to happen here!

[Shin Densetsu]

The beauty of what Lucas did with the SW prequels was that he reaffirmed the histories and backgrounds of the characters he had created years ago!
Midochlorians=Retcon
I understand a lot of the GI Joe movie changes, I really do, but to changes things that have a deep history, just for the sake of changing them, doesnt really piss me off like others, but it sure as hell confuses me.
I agree. Also, the rumors from the supposed script review, the spoilers a ton of people are arguing about daily, et al, have yet to be confirmed. The only official things we know, are the latest press releases, and the images that were unveiled last week. The very changes people are arguing about, may not even exist in the movie. Misinformation will deliberately leaked, this was said last year during one of the conventions.

[SnakeEyes]

Sorry Shin, but were you agreeing with me there or making a point in disagreement that I ignorantly don't understand?

[Griffin73]

You can't Kill Storm Shadow, he's like Mystique. He should be used as a catalyst.

[MAJOR WOLF]

Honestly, i will go and see the movie once, and then when it is released on dvd, i will buy one copy just to have it. I would do this if it were a great movie, or a total flop. It doesn't matter to me. This movie is never going to be what everyone wants so the best we can do is just wait and see, then we can talk about what was good and what wasn't. I can't judge this movie before i see it...

I will too! Can't judge it yet.

[Reznor]

The thing I find funny anymore, with the "Its a summer blockbuster, its only supposed to go boom, who cares about the history of it" argument, is look at movies like Spider-man, Batman Begins, and Iron Man. All blockbuster movies that go "boom", but kept very much in the spirit of the original stories.

Each one had changes, yes, but the 'spirit' remained the same. So my argument back is "Youll get your booms, but what about us who at least want to feel like they are watching a movie based on the stories/characters that built the history of it?"

Lets say Iron Man wasn't coming out, and it was being done by a different studio and director.

Guy 1: "So who is the black guy that wears iron man-like armor?" Guy 2: "Thats Iron Mans buddy, Rhodes, he is known as War Machine".
Guy 3: "I say we make the film more ethnic, lets take out this Tony Stark guy, and just make Rhodes the Iron Man character. It would be less characters to play around with, and hey, maybe we can hire a rapper or something, rap is popular"

Even though the movie will still have plenty of "boom", dont you think there would be an outcry for messing with the history just to save and make a couple of extra bucks?

Again, Im still up in the air of whether I care about all the changes or not, I just get tired of the "Its a blockbuster, its not supposed to be any good other than the action" arguments I see on countless boards dealing with countless movies that have a large fan base.

I gotta give thanks to the directors of these types of licenses who at least try to keep the spirit of source material intact.

[copywrite]

I love when you guys give these extreme what if situations like it's something to compare to the changes to this movie. That didn't happen, so it's irrelevant. I still think the spirit of GI Joe is still there, some of you don't, that's fine.

[Reznor]

I would hardly find my example "extreme". Such things have happened countless times with movies based on books/tv shows/comics/etc.

[Reznor]

The only reason I used the Iron Man example is because its a great example of how to treat source material. Favrau did a lot of homework for the movie, and made it because he wanted to.

I guess I just kinda wished we woulda got the same with Gi Joe. And Ill admit, Im one of those who was 'iffy' with Transformers, but I rather enjoyed it, but mainly because Bay knows how to "blow $*@# up" and made great use of amazing effects.

Sommers, imo, does not.

[copywrite]

The thing is, there's only a handful of directors in Hollywood who actually care about the hardcore fans. Favreau being probably number 1. Even Christopher Nolan took the Batman series a totally different direction, but it's worked famously. It does seem like Hasbro is getting bad directors to direct their toyline movies though. Transformers was good for what it was, I expected a cheesily acted film with a lot of action, which is what we got, I still enjoyed it. I expect GI Joe to not be about the story of each character, but a lot of action and hopefully GI Joe vs Cobra at some point. We'll see though. I'm not judging anything yet.

[Reznor]

I agree, its tough to find directors with any interest in the films their doing anymore.

I guess I just kinda lost it with Sommers. I really enjoyed the Mummy, but each film after that I just lost more and more interest with him.

I do agree about having too much story in an action film, I just get a tad bit agrivated when a lot of the history is there (countless versions of it even) and they choose to create their own.

So many times I try to explain to my nephews (who are now interested in the things I was as a kid, how cool is that) why things are so different between the histories of things like GI Joe and Transformers, I get confused myself between the generation gap.

My biggest gripe isnt really about all the changes, other than the fact that I was hoping this wouldnt have that "MTV" military feel to it. The new uniforms, sure, why not, but I just want things to be pratical, not just cool looking. Throw some more pouches or ammo clips on the uniforms, make them more pratical looking, and maybe I wouldnt have been so "meh" about them.

My only real serious gripe is the "superhero" snake eyes look. He looks kinda goofy with the foam formed muscle suit. Is he really supposed to be that buff, or is it all just part of the suit? I expect him to be able to fly or bash buildings with one swipe with that suit on. lol

Anyhoo, its all just publicity shots anyways. More things may be added to them Im sure, its still early.

Im just so "meh" over Sommers lol. (can ya tell?)

[Ixz72]

I agree with Reznor in saying that America is not very popular right now. Though a big chunk of the box-office revenue that will come in will come from US audiences, the movie companies would also want to get back as much return for their investment by selling well in the world market. We all have to remember that movies are products and the whole whole purpose for making them is to make money. And sticking to the original GI Joe story line might not appeal to other countries. A good example is the movie Superman Returns. They changed the famous Superman line of "Fighting for truth, justice and the American way". And they had him flying all around the world not just Metropolis. So as not to the alienate the rest of the world and appeal more to a world market. So dare we say that money dictates how a movie should go. Yes it does. Very few stick to the essence of telling the true story regardless of the outcome and unfortunately Stephen Sommers and Micheal Bay don't seem to stick to that philisophy.

Plus the fact that we have "Real American Heroes" fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our society is now so PC that we are afraid of offending anybody. Does it mean that calling the GI Joe franchise "A Real American Hero" - a fictional character fighting a fictional enemy will offend somebody who is serving int the military and laying their lives on the line, or a family member who lost a loved while serving will take offense to it? Maybe, maybe not, but why open yourself to the criticisms or possible backlash.

I am not defending the changes that the script writers did (I hate it as much as you guys do), but I understand why they did it. I am still going to go see the movie and I will go see it with an open mind.

Finally, just recently Micheal Bay admitted to leaking out false Transformers 2 scripts. Whats to say that the one that's leaked out there isn't fake. Though Hasbro' comment to fans was pretty vague. (Read below)

Message to G.I Joe Fans

Hasbro’s G.I. Joe Team wanted to take this opportunity to clarify some of the facts regarding the G.I. Joe live-action movie that we are developing with Paramount Pictures.

First and foremost, we are not changing what the G.I. Joe brand is about. The name “G.I. Joe” will always be synonymous with bravery and heroism.

The G.I. Joe brand has enjoyed a successful 43-year history, spanning two key generations. The first was the line of 12-inch “realistic military” figures that were popular with kids in the 1960s and 1970s.

The second generation, was created in 1982, and is based on a cast of fictional heroes and villains that make up the “G.I. Joe vs. Cobra” fantasy. The premise of this fantasy is the story of the G.I. Joe team, led by Duke, and their “fight for freedom wherever there is trouble” against the evil Cobra Commander and his Cobra force. This storyline was an instant hit with kids in the early 1980s, spawning a highly popular 3-3/4-inch action figure line, comic book collection and animated series.

This movie will be a modern telling of the “G.I. Joe vs. Cobra” storyline and its compelling characters that Hasbro created 25 years ago. The G.I. Joe team will not be based in Brussels. Instead, they will be based out of the “Pit” as they were throughout the 1980s comic book series. And, in keeping with the G.I. Joe vs. Cobra fantasy, the movie will feature characters and locations from around the world. Duke, the lead character and head of the G.I. Joe team, will embody the values of bravery and heroism that the first generation of G.I. Joe figures established.

G.I. Joe is a very important property to Hasbro and we thank all of our fans for their enthusiasm. Without all of you, the brand would not be where it is today.

Thank you."

[MAJOR WOLF]

Yeah, I will still watch the movie with a open mind but I really hope they keep true to what GI Joe stands for.

[Shin Densetsu]

Whats to say that the one that's leaked out there is fake.
At the conventions last year, Hasbro specifically stated that misinformation about the movie would be deliberately leaked throughout the year.

Also the adaptations, scripts, drafts and what not for the Transformers movie were different than the actual movie. Also the script for the G.I. Joe movie has been rewritten at least 2-3 times.

[mackdawg77]

I don't need to hear this about the upcoming movie.
NO!
Are you on a cell phone?
I'm hanging up,now.
PRANK CALLER-Prank caller -PRANK CALLER!

[Viper46]

do a quick trip to Wiki and check out the movie...they have links to interviews for those who have trouble believing wiki...

anyway, they pretty much admitted, contrary to what all the 'experts' on here in the movie industry have said, that Hama came in and NIXXED the 'sanke eyes talking' scenario.

hopefully, that is a good sign. the interview i read said that he was brought in to help the movie makers bring their story closer to something that the hard core fans would want to see...

a good sign that they do care about our opinions.

[Derek2783]

all... of... them...

[Goldface]

There are so many but of prominence are...

1. Stormshadow kills Hawk.

2. The robot suits.

3. The international spin on the entire premise.

[spacemonkeymafia]

So we are free to speak our minds here...with out people crying "Oh you dont like GI Joe if you dont like eveything about it"......

Its going to Blow..........

[generalhawk]

I dont know where i heard this but i read that larry hama said they changed the nationality back to being an american for snake eyes.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Did they change Ripcord though.....lol....

[generalhawk]

Did they change Ripcord though.....lol....

Too bad they didn't.

[Monkeywrench]

the movie is gonna suck

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

OK...so SE is French, he talks, SS dies, Scarlett gets with Ripcord, who's played my Marlon Wayans, and Gen. Hawk and Duke are the only American members of the team?! HMMM...(scratching my head until it bleeds)...If that's all true, I'll puke! WHY dear God, WHY do they have to screw EVERYTHING up?!!!! I TRULY hope I'm wrong. I hope the movie is this generation's Star Wars. But, I think the script (based on what I've heard of course) is FUBAR!!!!

Yeah....................

Hawks British. (wa-wa-wahhhhhhhh)

You all know my complaints... SE is French, Scarlett/Ripcord, MARLON WAYANS, friggin nanomite mind control, Cobra Commander is a young punk doctor/soldier who uses nanomites to control Destro and give him a silver facemask in the end, Zartan is in 3 scenes and has no action.

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

I dont know where i heard this but i read that larry hama said they changed the nationality back to being an american for snake eyes.

If this is true, then I will be VERY happy!!! Too bad there's still a lot of problems, but it's a step in the right direction...

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

There are so many but of prominence are...

1. Stormshadow kills Hawk.

2. The robot suits.

3. The international spin on the entire premise.

SS doesn't kill Hawk, he paralyzes him. He kills Cover Girl.... Oops, spoilers... :D

[bigsarge]

hopefuly they'll keep at it like they are with the punisher.