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Sergeant Slaughter
01-08-2010, 05:30 PM
Kirby's heirs are going after Marvel for several of his properties, but have added Spider-man to the lineup. Kirby did very minimal work on the original Spider-man comic, which makes this lawsuit pretty interesting.

Infinite Hollywood: Jack Kirby versus Marvel (http://www.infinitehollywood.com/2010/01/jack-kirby-versus-marvel.html)

It's going to be hard for Kirby's family to get in on much for a lot of those characters, but especially Spider-man, given that Kirby never did much of anything on that strip beside some original pitching and a cover.

Zefram
01-08-2010, 05:32 PM
What the Hell? Where's Ditko is all this?!

Jettfire
01-08-2010, 05:41 PM
Usually the way these lawsuits work is that the family starts with a large list of grievances (characters) that are then negotiated down to a more realistic list. Spider-Man will probably be one of the first characters to be negotiated out of the settlement.

Frank Talltree
01-08-2010, 05:50 PM
Why on earth were these things not taken care of years ago?

arashikage_ninj
01-08-2010, 05:54 PM
Why on earth were these things not taken care of years ago?

I agree! First, Superman's rights have been given back, even though they sued in the 70's, dropped it in like, the 90's, and are back at it. Now, Jack Kirby's family, who drew Spidey's first appearance (that's it!) is trying to get their rights!

And, maybe beacuse of this, Spider-Man 4 is on hold!

samantha
01-08-2010, 05:56 PM
Sounds like yet another silly lawsuit that is being brought up now to make some quick cash.

DPrime
01-08-2010, 06:20 PM
Meh, I don't think it's particularly wrong for them to get some "inheritance", considering the literally billions of dollars Marvel made off Kirby's (and others) work.

JohnJett makes a very good point - they're not likely to get anything from Spider-Man, it was probably a strategic move on the part of the lawyers.

snakeeyes22
01-08-2010, 07:19 PM
I think its the same lawyer that recently got many elements of the Superman mythos into the ownership of the creators' estates. Years ago, DC did pay a decent amout to keep using him, but I guess that wasn't enough. I don't know what they'd do with the handful of elements they own now. None of it will matter when Superman enters public domain in a couple of years.

This lawyer guy may be in for a tougher time here. Superman's creators came up with him before dealing with DC. Kirby was working for Marvel when these characters were created. He certainly wasn't the sole creator, so Lee would have to be involved for ownership to change hands. It would be really tough to say who is the most responsible for the creations.

I think this time, the lawyer hopes for a settlement, which he may get. Disney is going to be pretty protective of its 4.2 billion dollar investment.

The Spider-Man inclusion is insane, and I agree its just a big negotiating piece to make thw actual goal seem more reasonable. Kirby was basically "fired"
from the comic before it got made, right? If his estate got a piece
of Spidey, then I'd say there most people who ever contributed to his stories are entitled.

Mech-Viper
01-08-2010, 07:25 PM
its all about money

snakeeyes22
01-08-2010, 07:27 PM
Meh, I don't think it's particularly wrong for them to get some "inheritance", considering the literally billions of dollars Marvel made off Kirby's (and others) work.

JohnJett makes a very good point - they're not likely to get anything from Spider-Man, it was probably a strategic move on the part of the lawyers.

I agree that some compensation is appropriate, but they claim to want ownership and control, which is insane.

I imagine the lawyer contacted them, or they talked to him after the other success. He clearly has done his homework on this sort of thing after winning against DC/WB. I just think this is an entirely different matter, since both creators were represented in the Superman case.

sandrock74
01-08-2010, 08:32 PM
Jack Kirbys family deserve NO money from the "ownership" of Marvels characters. Jack Kirby should, but he is dead and buried. His "estate" didn't work on anything Marvel related, Jack did.

He signed his contracts, and I'm assuming he understood them. His work would be owned by Marvel. Case closed.

I HATE these money grubbing claims by the "estates". It's nothing more than a money grubbing tactic by greedy people. Money for nothing.

green_shirt
01-08-2010, 08:54 PM
This is just a sad and lame money grab by maggots trying to feed off of Kirby's corpse. It's pitiful really. I can understand Stan Lee fighting for years trying to get the credit and money for Spider-man because he created it. Spider-man is his. But this is just stupid. So Tod Mcfarlane drew and wrote a few issues is he gonna try and own it now too? Hold on scratch that I could so see Mcfarlane trying something like that.

bigdaddyblue73
01-08-2010, 11:13 PM
This is just a sad and lame money grab by maggots trying to feed off of Kirby's corpse. It's pitiful really. I can understand Stan Lee fighting for years trying to get the credit and money for Spider-man because he created it. Spider-man is his. But this is just stupid. So Tod Mcfarlane drew and wrote a few issues is he gonna try and own it now too? Hold on scratch that I could so see Mcfarlane trying something like that.

Whoa.

Stan Lee would not have had half the success he did if Kirby and Ditko and others had not done the groundbreaking art that helped define the images.

A few years back Stan Lee did all he could to prevent former writers and artists from getting royalties for the characters they helped create, then he turned around and sued Marvel himself to become a millionaire when the movie cash started rolling in.

Kirby, Ditko and quite a few others are just as deserving as Stan the Hypocrit Lee.

A lot of these older artists and writers created cul;tural icons that put hundreds of millions of dollars in some one else's pockets and died penniless. I hope the family gets enough cash to choke a horse. And I hope lots of other artists and writers get theirs too.

green_shirt
01-09-2010, 03:27 AM
Hey man love him or hate him it's still Stan's creation. Yes I also know about what Ditko has said on the subject and even Stan has publicly commented on it all the time. Like it or not he still came up with about half of the Marvel comics we read today and he wrote the first ones. That's part of why the courts ruled in his favor.

As for the folks that drew the comics well they drew them. Mignola drew Dr. Strange and Jim Lee did X-men but they still didn't create or own the tittles.

Neil Gaiman wrote Sandman. Alan Moore wrote Swamp Thing and created John Constantine but neither one owns those tittles. DC owns them.

I know the companies have screwed over the artists for years and the old contracts were so unfair. That's how things were and still are. That's why the good folks at Dark Horse comics and others have been fighting to change that.

But that fact is Stan still legally created Spider-man. Like it or hate it until someone can legally prove that's not true that's just the way it is.

samantha
01-09-2010, 03:36 AM
I am not sure where I fall with all of this. All I can say is that there has to be a point where the families are cut loose. I know that Kurby created or at least help create these characters but is it right that the families can keep asking for more money? I am not a lawyer so I guess I can't say but it all sounds like money grubbing to me.

Dirtbag
01-09-2010, 03:37 AM
Sounds like yet another silly lawsuit that is being brought up now to make some quick cash.

Quote for Truth.

CG82
01-09-2010, 05:39 AM
Meh, I don't think it's particularly wrong for them to get some "inheritance", considering the literally billions of dollars Marvel made off Kirby's (and others) work.

JohnJett makes a very good point - they're not likely to get anything from Spider-Man, it was probably a strategic move on the part of the lawyers.

I rather agree with this. Moreover we do not know the exact mechanizations of what goes behind the scenes nor the power plays. Often times you have people getting or taking sole credit for stuff that they didnt design or create whether partially or entirely.