why are they making changes?

[Viper46]

if you have a franchise that has lasted for over 25 years, meaning the 'real american hero', why would you change that?

it makes no sense. if it worked then, and it's still selling now, WHAT sense does it make to change?

[darthZartan]

I feel ya brother. This change was inevitable once hollywood got its hands on it. Filthy money grubbing hands. They need it to appeal to a international market so this is the result. Embrace the change or not, they are still YOUR joes.



hail cobra.

[BigErn]

It's all about money. Certain things need to happen in order for it to be a comercial success. As much as I hate to say it, they have more to think about than us fans. Personally I'm excited for the movie and I think most of us will be pleased.


Welcome to Hiss Tank.


Would you like to join Cobra? We're always looking for new recruits. Head on over and play the GI Joe Game...

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5387

[Viper46]

i disagree with some of what you guys are saying.

1.) changing things does not guarantee success. many movies change things, someone on here posted some examples, and the were not successful. that 'dukes of hazzard' with stiffler made a bunch of bucks didn't it? they changed it to get a NEW audience.

2.) they DO care about the fans, the guys who followed the franchise, because they called it GI Joe. they could have made any movie about spys and wars, etc.
they didn't. they made GI Joe because they wanted to identify with us. they wanted us to come back. Hasbro noticed that they were still making money, more money with RAH than with S6.
SO, make "a real american hero."
3.) there will be enough press that the movie will make money no matter what the non-fans say.

changing things doesn't make good sense to me. you have a franchise that is making money with very little hype. logic says with a movie to back it up, and an ongoing comic that is similar, that the old fans will come out and that new fans will be made, if by noone else but our kids.

4.) the fans will recognize their Joes. the same way X-men fans recognized Wolverine. Most were happy and it worked. if we don't recognize these, it could backlash.

[Gentleman]

Oh man, start stockpiling some valium! You'll need it in the theater :D

Think of it this way: Even back in the day, there were already differences between the continuity proposed by the toon, comic and filecards. And there's been different continuities within each format as well. Take the toon as an example. Many would argue that the DIC series shouldn't even be considered "canon"! Some also discard the 86 movie. Then, in the 90s, ya had G.I.Joe Extreme. In the 2000's you had Sigma 6. In the comics, you had Reloaded (which was actually quite interesting).

So why should this film be any different? As in: why can it not start its own continuity? After all... what continuity is it to follow when you've had so many different incarnations in the past? And as much as some want Scarlett+Snake Eyes, others probably want Scarlett+Duke



In the end, all you're left with is the "essentials":

G.I.Joe V.S. Cobra

[Crimson Guard 51]

great point gentleman, but it feeds what i've been saying, and what viper was saying...

SnakeEyes and Scarlett are in EVERYTHING but the cheesy tv show...the one from the first 2 years.

you're right about the different continuities...

Devil's Due did the follow up to Image, who followed the Marvel continuity. it's STILL running, which to ME, in my opinion, makes it CANON.

they ALSO did Reloaded, as you pointed out, which was TOTALLY different...but kept certain things...Snake Eyes / Scarlett, RAH, GI Joe vs. Cobra, etc. the SAME stuff that the other continuities followed.

go to the DDP GI Joe vs. Transformers...different continuity, which makes 3 different comic continuities, that ALL have the above mentioned constants.

you change that at your peril.

think about it politically...john mccain has won the republican nomination for president. he wants to get his base out...
he gives a speech stating the following...

---support the war---all the republicans cheer
---no new taxes---all the republicans cheer
---secure the border---ditto
---conservative judges---ditto
---same sex marriages LEGAL---?????

you start hearing crickets chirping. his base of the 30% of the population that votes republican anyway is split...only 70% come out for him, that gives him 21% of the vote...pretend he gets 70% of the independents ( 40% of voters ) and that gives him 28% of the voting population...now he has 49% of the vote, and he LOSES.
had he gotten 90% of his base ( 27% of the voters ) and just 60% of the middle ( 24% of voters ) that is 51% and he wins...( you can do the same with Barrack O'Clinton just change the view points on the issues )...

the winners get out THEIR peeps.

some of those people in the middle are in the middle for lack of committment.

SAME AS THE MOVIE PUBLIC...

some of those they are trying to reach, will NOT see this movie no matter what they do. they had better get the base first, and then take what they can get of the other.

[gunslingercbr]

but what has really lasted 25 years?

the brand name? sure. the concept? absolutely. but nothing else about it has permeated into Americana the way the story of Batman, Spiderman or X-Men has. the specific aspects of the story that have been changed from 25 years ago has only maintained a small niche following comparitively, and not enough to warrant it as the absolute brand elements or characterizations that the concept of Joe vs Cobra can be told from.

[Viper46]

you can EASILY say that things like "real american hero" and snake eyes / scarlett are as well known as aspect of superman, spiderman, batman, etc. i'd put those things up against the romances in those stories, aside maybe from lois and clark.

they called it gi joe for a reason. they wanted us to go see it.

us, the people who have kept it alive.

[Gentleman]

I wonder how old-school X-Men fans must have felt about all the changes their beloved team suffered during these 40+ years. Sure, we could argue that it's always been the same "continuity" from a certain point of view, but there's been so many changes over the years. For younger people, X-Men can't exist without Wolverine. Yet, X-Men as a comic book is around 10 years older than Wolverine the character.

And let's not even get into DC territory.

[Caliburn]

but what has really lasted 25 years?

the brand name? sure. the concept? absolutely. but nothing else about it has permeated into Americana the way the story of Batman, Spiderman or X-Men has. the specific aspects of the story that have been changed from 25 years ago has only maintained a small niche following comparitively, and not enough to warrant it as the absolute brand elements or characterizations that the concept of Joe vs Cobra can be told from.

Until they read the script or see the movie they just wont get what you are saying. But a Great post. I agree with you 100%.

[Irid70]

you can EASILY say that things like "real american hero" and snake eyes / scarlett are as well known as aspect of superman, spiderman, batman, etc. i'd put those things up against the romances in those stories, aside maybe from lois and clark.

they called it gi joe for a reason. they wanted us to go see it.

us, the people who have kept it alive.

You can easily say it, but you'd be wrong. Franchises like Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman are much, much bigger than G.I. Joe, hands down. They've been around far longer, and many more people are going to recognize Batman or Superman or Spidey than are going to recognize Duke or Snake Eyes.

And they're counting on us, the fanbase, to go see it anyway, but they NEED kids to go see it, and to buy the new toyline; how many kids know a thing about Snake-Eyes and Scarlet? How many kids have read 155 issues of a comic that never even reprinted 51-155 in TPB or hardback form? BTW, if it was as popular as you claim, that would've already happened; if Marvel thought it'd be profitable, they'd have found a way to do it.

Point is, there's no guarantee the movie is going to succeed no matter what changes or what stays the same, but just presenting the story of the cartoon or the original comic is not the way they feel the need to go.

[gunslingercbr]

they called it gi joe for a reason. they wanted us to go see it.

no, they called it G.I. Joe because that is what it is about. what most of us here disagree with is what G.I. Joe is really about -- heck, most disagree with Hasbro with what it is about.

some approach G.I. Joe the way Hasbro does, from a Brand Management POV, that has broken it down to the basic brand elements that must be adhered to to maintain a consistent brand image, which is generally the basic concept of Joe vs Cobra, the all-american hero Duke, the ninja Commando Snake Eyes, his clan adversary Storm Shadow, a female cross-bow firing intelligence operative Scarlett, etc. etc.

others approach it from every detail that was present in the comics or cartoon. the problem with that position, IMO, is that was a changing and evolving story that only complimented the concepts of the toys, which is what G.I. Joe is first and foremost, not determined them.

look at Snake Eyes filecards, that is the basic concept of the character that Hasbro has adhered to in continuing the character. nowhere on any of them does it mention a romance with Scarlett, so while it may have been a part of the comic it isn't an absolute or necessary part of the character, and vice versa with her filecards and character (contrast that with his relationship with Storm Shadow, which has permeated into the filecards and coincidentally? has continued to be part of the both of the characters). extend that to the basic concepts present on the other characters filecards and there you have, IMO, what G.I. Joe is about to the owner of the property, and thus really is what G.I. Joe is about.

so nothing is being changed, the concept of G.I. joe has always been same, it is just that concept is able to be told in different ways.

[Crimson Guard 51]

no, they called it G.I. Joe because that is what it is about. what most of us here disagree with is what G.I. Joe is really about -- heck, most disagree with Hasbro with what it is about...look at Snake Eyes filecards, that is the basic concept of the character that Hasbro has adhered to in continuing the character. nowhere on any of them does it mention a romance with Scarlett, so while it may have been a part of the comic it isn't an absolute or necessary part of the character, and vice versa with her filecards and character (contrast that with his relationship with Storm Shadow, which has permeated into the filecards and coincidentally? has continued to be part of the both of the characters). extend that to the basic concepts present on the other characters filecards and there you have, IMO, what G.I. Joe is about to the owner of the property, and thus really is what G.I. Joe is about.



i'll totally agree with you about the way Hasbro sees it.

they expect US to go see it. i think, MY OPINION, that the reason they make changes is that they don't know how popular some things are. look at the pool we had on here about the Snake Eyes / Scarlett romance...ONE of the choices was NO Romance...it got about 7 - 10 votes...out of 93. 70 were for Snake Eyes / Scarlett.

i'll also disagree with you about the file cards. they have started, if i'm not mistaken, to make hints and mention of their romance...i may be wrong but i'm pretty sure i've heard others say it.

AND, if i'm not mistaken, didn't Hama have a big part in the file cards?

LOOK, i KNOW they have to change or modify some things...

MY POINT is that they might want to include things THAT popular.

that and the Real American Hero.

[Viper46]

You can easily say it, but you'd be wrong. Franchises like Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman are much, much bigger than G.I. Joe, hands down. They've been around far longer, and many more people are going to recognize Batman or Superman or Spidey than are going to recognize Duke or Snake Eyes.

WHY DO PEOPLE PUT WORDS INTO OTHERS MOUTHS ON HERE?

i never said that G.I. Joe was bigger than Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman...

those franchises have BRAND recognition. people who don't watch the movies, shows, or read the comics know who they are.

what i said was that Scarlett and SnakeEyes were as well known as Spidey and MJ.

that 155 long comic has been brought back, and is STILL going. EVEN Sigma 6 is hinting at them being together.

WE ALL KNOW that they need kids to come to the movie.

WHAT about those 2 OR the Real American Hero would prevent kids from coming to the movie?

i don't think that is why they changed it. i think they changed it because they didn't really know about it and didn't figure it was as important or popular.

[Irid70]

WHY DO PEOPLE PUT WORDS INTO OTHERS MOUTHS ON HERE?

i never said that G.I. Joe was bigger than Spider-Man, Superman, or Batman...

And I didn't say you did. I quoted your words and replied that there is nothing about G.I. Joe that is as big as Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man. Not even close.

those franchises have BRAND recognition. people who don't watch the movies, shows, or read the comics know who they are.

what i said was that Scarlett and SnakeEyes were as well known as Spidey and MJ.

Did they ever have a monthly book devoted specifically to them? No. Was their (stupid) breakup news on CNN? Absolutely not. Why? Spidey/MJ much, much, much bigger, much more well known. Was the (admittedly short) death of Snake-Eyes registered by anyone outside the hardcore Joe fan community? Probably not.

that 155 long comic has been brought back, and is STILL going. EVEN Sigma 6 is hinting at them being together.

Well, technically kinda sorta it is still going...but it stopped for 7 years, and went from the biggest guy on the block (Marvel) to a talented upstart (DDP). What would happen if Spider-Man stopped running for 7 years? Would Marvel EVER let it get out of their hands? Not a chance. Pretending that G.I. Joe is even close to as popular or as well recognized as Batman, Superman, or Spiderman is completey unsupportable by any evidence. Those three have had more cartoons, more comics, more movies, more merchandise, etc etc. More well recognized.

WE ALL KNOW that they need kids to come to the movie.

WHAT about those 2 OR the Real American Hero would prevent kids from coming to the movie?

i don't think that is why they changed it. i think they changed it because they didn't really know about it and didn't figure it was as important or popular.

I never said it would prevent kids from coming to the movie, but many people who have read the script (I haven't) say a romance wouldn't work in this one, and I'll withhold judgment till I see it.

As for "Real American Hero," well, that ground has been fought over for so long I'm not touching it anymore. Movies now need a global audience, and "ARAH" won't do that. Also, I happen to think including characters of other nationalities is far from the worst thing to ever happen to G.I. Joe (see Big Ben, Action Man, Glenda, Quarrel, etc etc).

[gunslingercbr]

i'll totally agree with you about the way Hasbro sees it.

they expect US to go see it. i think, MY OPINION, that the reason they make changes is that they don't know how popular some things are. look at the pool we had on here about the Snake Eyes / Scarlett romance...ONE of the choices was NO Romance...it got about 7 - 10 votes...out of 93. 70 were for Snake Eyes / Scarlett.

popular amongst hard core Joe fans, but not necessarily popular amongst the other 90% of people that are probably going to make up the rest of the audience. if Hasbro can come up with a better idea that doesn't contradict established brand elements that makes it more accessible and entertaining to a larger audience that has no other preconceived notions beyond the basics they remember from childhood, that is the way to go IMO.

when making a movie, the best idea that makes the best movie is the best way to go, and IMO, and apparently the filmmakers and Hasbro, alot of the details in the comic simply didn't translate to a great story that would be entertaining except to an audience that would be entertained by seeing the comic brought to life word for word regardless of whether it made for good exposition and storytelling.

[Crimson Guard 51]

irid,

BEFORE the Spiderman trilogy, HOW many people outside of the comic world knew about Spidey and MJ?

get a huge blockbuster out of G.I. Joe and 2 more sequels with them as a couple and they might make it to CNN...or at least MSNBC...hell, i could probably make that with a half day's work.

as for Marvel 'letting it go'...they didn't own it. if i'm not mistaken, they were in bankruptcy court about the time that GI Joe was restarted. Hasbro owns it, and shopped it around. in the corporate world, sometimes bigger isn't better, and the small guy can compete better, as i'm sure you know. they are the BIG dog of DDP...the biggest seller. basically, where they were with marvel...though i am sure not at the same level of sales.

currently it has broken out into 2 running series, and it had been 3 until Hasbro asked DDP to drop the series.

as for A Real American Hero...i want someone to explain to me WHY that wouldn't sell.

in the '80s, G.I. Joe was selling world wide...

if it was pushed as a summer blockbuster, and marketted right, there is no reason it wouldn't work...and you'd get MORE of the old audience.

i think i'm talking for the people who've bought the comics, watched the various corny tv shows, bought the characters and kept them in circulation for 25 years, picked the comic back up when it came back 7 years ago, etc...

WE don't want to be taken advantage of.

we want it to work, but there are some things that G.I. Joe ARE.

nothing says there can't be other nationalities represented, they just don't have to be G.I. Joe members.

[Crimson Guard 51]

when making a movie, the best idea that makes the best movie is the best way to go, and IMO, and apparently the filmmakers and Hasbro, alot of the details in the comic simply didn't translate to a great story that would be entertaining except to an audience that would be entertained by seeing the comic brought to life word for word regardless of whether it made for good exposition and storytelling.

more reading into a statement what is NOT there.

Who said word for word? i even gave an example of how they could make small changes to the back story.

i'll disagree with the 90% number. of course, if you know people in the industry, you may be correct.

[Irid70]

irid,

BEFORE the Spiderman trilogy, HOW many people outside of the comic world knew about Spidey and MJ?



More than know about Snake-Eyes and Scarlett. MJ has been in every non-comic media adaptation of Spider-Man; animated shows, live action, novels, a Japanese show, everything.



get a huge blockbuster out of G.I. Joe and 2 more sequels with them as a couple and they might make it to CNN...


Were the Spider-Man films successful because they stayed strictly in comic continuity? No. They made changes. They adapted to a new medium.


as for Marvel 'letting it go'...they didn't own it. if i'm not mistaken, they were in bankruptcy court about the time that GI Joe was restarted. Hasbro owns it, and shopped it around. in the corporate world, sometimes bigger isn't better, and the small guy can compete better, as i'm sure you know. they are the BIG dog of DDP...the biggest seller. basically, where they were with marvel...though i am sure not at the same level of sales.

Dunno about the bankruptcy, but from what I just read, Hasbro bought the comics back from Marvel (hence the reprints in comic packs). If reprinting all 155 issues was economically viable (and I sure hope it would be, because I'd buy it) I'm sure it would've happened. And maybe it will become so, with the movie, etc, but obviously in the recent past it wasn't considered to be.



as for A Real American Hero...i want someone to explain to me WHY that wouldn't sell.

in the '80s, G.I. Joe was selling world wide...

Right. With characters given names, nationalities, filecards, and comics that matched the countries they were being sold in. Kids in Argentina want Argentinian heroes. British kids probably want British heroes. Etc.


if it was pushed as a summer blockbuster, and marketted right, there is no reason it wouldn't work...and you'd get MORE of the old audience.

They'll push it as a summer blockbuster; they're spending $170 million on it and referring to it as a tentpole. What makes you think it won't be pushed?

i think i'm talking for the people who've bought the comics, watched the various corny tv shows, bought the characters and kept them in circulation for 25 years, picked the comic back up when it came back 7 years ago, etc...

Also one of those people. Please don't speak for me.


WE don't want to be taken advantage of.

Well, if it were Baroness taking the advantage...

we want it to work, but there are some things that G.I. Joe ARE.

nothing says there can't be other nationalities represented, they just don't have to be G.I. Joe members.

So...G.I. Joe has to be what you say it is? This is just about people fearing change, and I'm getting darned sick of reading about it.

[Crimson Guard 51]

wow, irid...where to start?

1.) Hasbro has owned G.I. Joe the whole time...they LICENSED it to marvel, giving them permission to publish the comic. same as hasbro did with transformers.

2.) marvel can't republish anything because HASBRO owns the rights.

3.) MANY parts of the original, the actual panels have been shown in the new series.

4.) if you're not one of those loyal fans who want the core of the franchise to be preserved, then I am not, nor have i ever spoken for you. don't get so touchy.

5.) if it were the baroness, it wouldn't be her taking advantage...it would be me manipulating the situation.

6.) NEVER said it wouldn't be pushed as a blockbuster...i said that ARAH with core material, if pushed as a blockbuster, would sell internationally and make money.

7.) i know action force wasn't british...not sure about the 'Real argentinian heroes' out there.

8.) the spiderman animated show? all of them? NOPE...you forgot those Spider friends from the 80's...NO MJ...remember the real life stuff...no MJ...but, i understand what you're saying...MJ and Spiderman ARE part of Spiderman...they weren't together in the beginning...he had MANY...he was a SpideyHO...but, MJ and Spidey is huge...Snake Eyes and Scarlett are just as connected in their world and can be just as huge after this movie, or the trilogy, with the toys, the film adaptations, etc. plus the people that might pick up the comic line.

AHD...how great would it be to have aspects out there that connect 2 different generations of G.I. Joe fans? not only would it be good entertainment, it'd be good for the franchise, and great business.

9.) you found me out...i'm really just mad that they didn't pick me to write the thing...i HATE change...

actually, i quite like it...but change for the sake of change is BAD...don't care what Barrack says.

there are things about G.I. Joe that shouldn't be changed...ARAH is one, since they are american and are based on the ideals that created the country.

scarlett and snake eyes is another, due to the longevity and the fact that everything since '82 has had them together, including many toy parts, etc.

it's possible to keep the major parts of the story and change other parts...

DDP did a pretty good job of it with Transformers vs G.I. Joe...

something along those lines would be great...it was CHANGE, but it was in line with what G.i. Joe is.

[Irid70]

wow, irid...where to start?

1.) Hasbro has owned G.I. Joe the whole time...they LICENSED it to marvel, giving them permission to publish the comic. same as hasbro did with transformers.

2.) marvel can't republish anything because HASBRO owns the rights. Because they bought them back from Marvel, at least according to Wikipedia, which may very well be wrong.



4.) if you're not one of those loyal fans who want the core of the franchise to be preserved, then I am not, nor have i ever spoken for you. don't get so touchy.
I AM a loyal fan, who buys the toys, reads the comic, etc., and I'm sick of being spoken for by you, and other people who also appoint themselves "GUARDIANS OF TRUE JOE FANDOM!"


5.) if it were the baroness, it wouldn't be her taking advantage...it would be me manipulating the situation.

Right.



7.) i know action force wasn't british...not sure about the 'Real argentinian heroes' out there.

Yes, Action Force was British. As for Argentinian Heroes; Glenda, Manleh, Redmack, Shimik, Topson etc, as well as popular International villains Cobra Mortal and Cobra Invasor. [/quote]


8.) the spiderman animated show? all of them? NOPE...you forgot those Spider friends from the 80's...NO MJ...remember the real life stuff...no MJ...but, i understand what you're saying...MJ and Spiderman ARE part of Spiderman...they weren't together in the beginning...he had MANY...he was a SpideyHO...but, MJ and Spidey is huge...Snake Eyes and Scarlett are just as connected in their world and can be just as huge after this movie, or the trilogy, with the toys, the film adaptations, etc. plus the people that might pick up the comic line.

Ok, one TV series (though they used aspects of her personality for a character). Sure, it's fun to project that Joe will be that huge, but my initial comments were to point out that, currently, G.I. Joe is nowhere near that big. And this has focused on Spider-Man; the original comments included Batman and Superman.

[quote=Crimson Guard 51]

AHD...how great would it be to have aspects out there that connect 2 different generations of G.I. Joe fans? not only would it be good entertainment, it'd be good for the franchise, and great business.

I'm all for that. I just don't think that'll happen if kids get G.I. Joe circa 1985. From what we've heard the filmmakers probably agree.


9.) you found me out...i'm really just mad that they didn't pick me to write the thing...i HATE change...

actually, i quite like it...but change for the sake of change is BAD...don't care what Barrack says.


Totally irrelevant. Not talking about poltiics, just the way people get fixated on nostalgia.


there are things about G.I. Joe that shouldn't be changed...ARAH is one, since they are american and are based on the ideals that created the country.

scarlett and snake eyes is another, due to the longevity and the fact that everything since '82 has had them together, including many toy parts, etc.

Well, not everything. Not the original cartoon. Not Reloaded (it was going to happen, but not there from the beginning)


it's possible to keep the major parts of the story and change other parts... Clearly we disagree on which are the major parts. I say Joe vs Cobra is enough, and I don't care if Heavy Duty is British or Breaker is French-Algerian, as the actors playing them are. Doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I just want the movie to be fun and the toys to be cool.

[atomicpower]

I didn't read this second page, but all I have to say is:

I liked X-Men as a kid. I saw the movies, I enjoyed them, but I also groaned. Too many icons left out, too many good stories swept under the rug. It was enjoyable though, because liked X-Men.

I LOVED GiJoe. It was my childhood. I had my own continuity that was different than the cartoons, different than the comics, different than anything, so no matter what they do, they can't please me. I bet hundreds of thousands of us have our own continuities that they can't pander to. I know no matter what, if I see this movie, I'm going to leave with my head to the ground, shaking back and forth.

Because of that, I probably won't go to this movie. I won't grouse about it much, because I know they can't pander to the myriad different continuities out there. I never had dusty, so he was never a part of my joe team.

GiJoe was too important to me, and I'll wait until I see the previews, but there's nothing too compelling about this movie for me yet.

[Crimson Guard 51]

1.) wiki is quite wrong. you go back and look at the comics from the 80's and 90's, and they clearly state that Hasbro owns the franchise.

WIKI is fun...also easily changed. i'm a registered contributor. ask me to change something, i'll go change it to prove it. done it before to prove a bet...course, i go change it back. it pisses them off though.

2.) are you sure about action force? if so, i'll stand corrected...as i said, i have NO idea about the "real argentinian hero..." i do remember reading letters to the comic from foreign fans, about ARAH.

3.) i didn't mean to say you weren't LOYAL...let me try again...there are some of us loyal fans ( i think the majority ) that want to see the movie stick more closely to the spirit of the comic, that has been here longer, was USED by the cartoon guys as inspiration, and was used to write the file cards...in other worlds...what RAH spawned from.

4.) what i said about the other characters, batman, superman, etc, was about couples, not the characters themselves...MJ has NOT always been that big of a character. go look for interview with Stan Lee about it. they tried to get rid of her. they used others. hell, in the movie, she's more like gwen stacy than the comic MJ.

5.) there's a chance that kids today wouldn't get those characters...a small one if marketted right.

remember, the guys in hollywood that make all that money said "the Passion" wouldn't make it...who wants to see a movie where the dialogue is in aramaic and hebrew and have to read the script? it'll never work...the END of Mel Gibson.

Hollywood is NOTORIOUS for NOT knowing what the public wants.

how about all of those movies about the US military or Govt gone crazy...the war on terror being used to violate people's rights...what did they do? about $148 the first nigth.

what movies make money? movies with good old american values...good and bad...movies that you can take the family to.

they make MILLIONS.

GI Joe can do the same.

that being said, i wouldn't want it to be as cheesy as the tv show, but if word got out that there was a movie about the good guys vs the bad guys and lots of action, people would come.

[Gentleman]

Kids in Argentina want Argentinian heroes.

Well I happen to live in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and I just HAD to reply to this!!! :D


Kids in Argentina DO NOT want argentinian heroes. I know I didn't as a kid. I sure didn't know back in the day that Glenda, Manleh and all those argentinian variations were actually argentinian-only happenings. Matter of fact, I thought they all sucked, except for Cobra Invasor and Cobra Mortal. I actually always wanted the original U.S. imports. HA!


Many (if not most) countries around the world are nowhere as patriotic as the U.S... However, I DO embrace the concept of G.I.Joe being an international special force. I think it makes much more sense.

[Irid70]

Well I happen to live in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and I just HAD to reply to this!!! :D


Kids in Argentina DO NOT want argentinian heroes. I know I didn't as a kid. I sure didn't know back in the day that Glenda, Manleh and all those argentinian variations were actually argentinian-only happenings. Matter of fact, I thought they all sucked, except for Cobra Invasor and Cobra Mortal. I actually always wanted the original U.S. imports. HA!


Many (if not most) countries around the world are nowhere as patriotic as the U.S... However, I DO embrace the concept of G.I.Joe being an international special force. I think it makes much more sense.

Fair enough man; I didn't mean to offend, and I kind of just threw "Argentinian" out there since I knew a bunch of Joes were made there. I'm curious what was it about the figures that made you prefer others; were they cheaply made? was it the colors? were the characters just lame? I'm just curious.

I'm not sure why there is such resistance to the idea of an international team...well, I think I know why but I don't really wanna go into it...I actually think it is a much more interesting idea than an American only force. There are LOTS of top-flight special forces units around the world, some with different methods, tactics, equipment, training than US versions. Why wouldn't a team like GI Joe draw from all of them?

[Gentleman]

Oh I wasn't offended at all. Just thought I'd share that as an argentinian I was never really against G.I.Joe being "A Real American Hero".

As for why I didn't like the argentinian toys: Yeah, they were cheaper than the original U.S. imports. Cheaper plastic, cheaper paint apps, cheaper everything. Besides, there were many key characters that were never released here. We got Destro but no CC, Baroness, Firefly, Zartan, etc. It was just weird like that.

All aside... I always kinda thought of G.I.Joe as an international opertation STARTED by the U.S.

That's the vibe I'm getting: while it has members from all over the world, it's something sorta organized by the U.S.

I mean... General Hawk's american and he's the head of the operation.

[Golobulous]

I would stay away from this topic, several people have been banned for discussing it.

[Gentleman]

Wait...

Was Hawk actually american in the script?



*giggles*



Anyways... just relax. I'm sure the essence of things will be there, even if G.I.Joe stands for Global Integrated Joint Operating Entity.


But while we're at it, if they are changing the characters' countries of origin, HASBRO: Make someone argentinian!!!

And for the record... there was one argentinian "Joe" (?): Dynamite from Sgt. Savage!

[Crimson Guard 51]

gi joe was american, run by the US government, through the pentagon. in EVERY fashion it's ever been, it's been that way.

sure, have international members like big ben, etc, but they would be working FOR the U.S.

an international force couldn't move as fast as G.I. Joe will in this flick, the way it's being described. too many governments involved...

but, it's a movie...

i'm not sure it's really about G.I. Joe, the more i read.