What's Your Least Favorite Part (SPOILERS)

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

Here's the poll...

[VIPER 48]

SE is supposed to be a silent masked ninja commando. I think they should have left him that way...I like not knowing what he is thinking, it makes him more mysterious...

[CynthiaCM]

When was it said that Snake-Eyes will be able to talk in the movie? I don't recall hearing that.

[Cobra-Viper]

Are we sure SE talking isn't pre horrible accident and that this has been blown out of proportion by the internet?

[Bryanm5150]

If you really read the Marvel G.I.Joe comics than you would know Snake-Eyes got disfigured and was mute during one of thier training missions. Maybe we'll see it in the movie.

[The Commander]

If SE talks in any form except a flashback I will be very upset. Larry Hama needs to shoot that idea down quick.

Also, when did CC become a disfigured doctor?

[Cobra-Viper]

Well didn't he say one word in the Marvel comic...?

...'Scarlett'... that would actually be kinda cool if SE/Scarlett was turned into SE saving her in the first movie and looking out for her then maybe some hints at unrequited love? Then maybe the romance blossoming in the 2nd movie...

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

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Snake Eyes talks after his climactic battle with Storm Shadow. After finishing himm off, Snake Eyes says "Father knew it would come to this..." and when asked what happened by another Joe (Scarlett, fyi), he merely says "He's dead." There is no mention of him being disfigured or an accident and he is merely under a vow of silence.

[TheVileOne]

Snake Eyes not being disfigured is not that big of an offense considering that for a number of years Snake wasn't disfigured after his surgery (though he was still mute).

The biggest offense is no Scarlett/Snake Eyes romance. And having Scarlett hook up with Marlon Wayans/Ripcord. Nothing worse than that crap.

[G.I.Eddie]

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Snake Eyes talks after his climactic battle with Storm Shadow. After finishing himm off, Snake Eyes says "Father knew it would come to this..." and when asked what happened by another Joe (Scarlett, fyi), he merely says "He's dead." There is no mention of him being disfigured or an accident and he is merely under a vow of silence.
please post a link to wherever the script is or pm me a link

[SHIPWRECK"N"POLLY]

Any changing of the true character of snake eyes will doom this film, that being said i don't believe larry hama would be a part of the defacing of one of his most core characters. Snake eyes is to joe what optimus is in transformers you can't mess with an icon other than to possibly "slightly" update his uni.

[InfiniteJest]

The biggest offense is no Scarlett/Snake Eyes romance. And having Scarlett hook up with Marlon Wayans/Ripcord. Nothing worse than that crap.

Whaaaat? What? This is a joke right?

[Astrokreep]

How much of this has been confirmed?

[RolandofGilead]

I haven't heard about SE talking before. Unless it's pre-accident, I don't want any part of it. I mean, even the cartoon got that part right. If they thought the fanbase went nuts when they saw flames on Optimus Prime, they have no idea what messing with Snake Eyes will do.

[Shin Densetsu]

How much of this has been confirmed?
None

[Echo7Solo]

I just hope Snake Eyes isn't the "Wolverine" of the GI Joe movie. You know? I mean he should kind of come and go. Show up at the right time and then leave. If Scarlett is going to have any romance with anybody it should be Duke but have Snake Eyes as that person she is kind of drawn to when he is around. The less Snake Eyes is seen the more cool he will be plus you don't have to worry about him saying anything.

[Loki41872]

Remember, Ray Park is playing Snake Eyes. Any of you ever meet him? I have. Several times. I can guarantee he won't be speaking. Nice guy, but the voice of an adolescent teenager. His voice was dubbed in Phantom Menace.

[TheVileOne]

None

Didn't Destro and El Mayimbe on here say that Snake Eyes stays silent 99% of the time?

[Dark 5cythe]

Wait......what? Who said se wont wear a mask? Thats like darth vader not breathing heavily. And who said CC was a disfigured doctor?

[Shin Densetsu]

Didn't Destro and El Mayimbe on here say that Snake Eyes stays silent 99% of the time?
I was saying "none" with regards to the poll options. I have faith in what DESTRO and El Mayimbe say. Some of you from tfw2005.com remember El Mayimbe from when the TF movie rumors were first starting, and his were correct. DESTRO as you all know is highly credible.

[Derek2783]

i don't believe larry hama would be a part of the defacing of one of his most core characters.

Hah... get it? Defacing? Haha..

...I was funny once...

[DarthBrett]

Remember, Ray Park is playing Snake Eyes. Any of you ever meet him? I have. Several times. I can guarantee he won't be speaking. Nice guy, but the voice of an adolescent teenager. His voice was dubbed in Phantom Menace.

Not to mention he's got a Scottish accent! Watch him as Toad in X-Men to hear his real voice in action.

[SnakeEyes]

Snake Eyes was never the "silent type"! He was silent because he was PHYSICALLY UNABLE to speak!! That's what draws people to him! That's part of his mystique! As a fan, he is the ONLY character that you are able to take liberty with. You can imagine in your head what he must be thinking. You're not forced to view him from the writers point of view. You can also imagine the agony he must feel in the midst of an epic battle with his sword brother. How badly he must want to try and explain and discuss...to mend the fences so to speak. How awful it must be to not be able to tell Scarlett how he truly feels about her. That is the essence of the character! He draws his rage from the pitfalls he's had to overcome and, without those pitfalls, he's just another sci-fi action hero! That's not the SE people fell in love with 25yrs ago. Trust me, if they mess with that, it'll ruin the character!!

[Nathan92]

Snake eyes Isn't going to wear a mask?!
Stupid!!

[Shin-Gouki]

Cobra Commander is a young, disfigured doctor
Marlon Ways as Ripcord
Snake Eyes talks and doesnt wear a mask
The team is international

All of the above is my vote

[RogueReSCuE]

SE talking - adsolutely not, never ever
International - a real AMERICAN hero (are we such a PC culture that we have to change a good thing)
Ripcord? Ripcord? that dude fell for a circus bear girl and got his butt kicked by Zartan...i can t see him in the movie at all

BUT here is my biggest issue-
the whole futurish style, set in present day
talks of body suits that enhance the joes, i mean they are GI Joes...regular guys doing extraordinary things...Destro was way ahead of his time, so i can see awesome vehicles and weapons...
but the Cold War ERA (post vietnam) is such an interesting era and having a conflict so deep that it requires a specialized team to deal with ADDs so much meat to the story...makes it special

but there is hope, just seeing the team on the big screen, having Larry Hama aboard, and seeing Scarlett, Baroness...also some awesome fighting with SE and SS...ahh hope

[Crimson Guard 51]

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Snake Eyes talks after his climactic battle with Storm Shadow. After finishing himm off, Snake Eyes says "Father knew it would come to this..." and when asked what happened by another Joe (Scarlett, fyi), he merely says "He's dead." There is no mention of him being disfigured or an accident and he is merely under a vow of silence.

Snake Eyes not being disfigured is not that big of an offense considering that for a number of years Snake wasn't disfigured after his surgery (though he was still mute).

The biggest offense is no Scarlett/Snake Eyes romance. And having Scarlett hook up with Marlon Wayans/Ripcord. Nothing worse than that crap.


Both of these guys have it right...all of that sucks...as well as killing off one of the best characters in a 'prequel.'

i've tried to be optimistic, but every time i turn it on here, all i hear is the way they CHANGE a proven recipe...telling me that it's to get a newer audience.

trust me, you run the Marvel comic and put a budget behind it, and it would make money, get a new audience, and shut most of us up...

if we wanted CHANGE...sigma 6 would be bigger than 'A Real American Hero' but we know that is far from the case.

it really sounds to me that the ONLY thing they got right about Snake Eyes is that they got Ray Park to play him.

i haven't heard any spoilers on here that have made me excited about the movie.

[copywrite]

Probably because most of the spoilers are false. I don't know why you keep believing them.

[Crimson Guard 51]

i REALLY want to believe that, but it makes sense when you look at stuff that hollywood does with other movies.

HOW many ANTI - War movies have they put out? none have made money...yet they still go un-american...and in turn, it makes sense to see that they would take the team, that was NEVER international, and make them some form of UN force.

[copywrite]

I mean some of the ridiculous rumors like Scarlett/Ripcord, Baroness being a blond the entire movie, or that Snake-Eyes talks and doesn't wear a mask. The international thing is kind of a bummer, but I can live with it. They're still mainly run by Americans.

[Caliburn]

If SE talks in any form except a flashback I will be very upset. Larry Hama needs to shoot that idea down quick.



Larry Hama does not make that decision. The Director does. He is a final edit Director and does not need studio approval.

[Crimson Guard 51]

Larry Hama does not make that decision. The Director does. He is a final edit Director and does not need studio approval.

THAT totally depends on his contract.

example, after watching his books, "the Firm", "the Pelican Brief", and "the Chamber" totally changed for filming, John Grisham KEPT final authority over changes to the screenplay he approved.

Hasbro might have done the same thing. THEY own the property...they have the intellectual right, and if a director makes a change that is not approved ( if they have it covered in their contract ) then they can order a re-write, etc.

basically, it is their property, they can do what they want. if HAMA is their guy, and they trust him, it will be changed.

if they believe Sommers, it won't.

ALOT of this will depend on how much grief they hear on the subject. if they get a whiff of US not wanting to support this, in large numbers, then it will be changed.

it boils down to "who do they trust?"

remember, a good cast, big budget, and hot shot director does not success guarantee...just ask the Godzilla remakers from around '98.

[Caliburn]

THAT totally depends on his contract.

example, after watching his books, "the Firm", "the Pelican Brief", and "the Chamber" totally changed for filming, John Grisham KEPT final authority over changes to the screenplay he approved.

Hasbro might have done the same thing. THEY own the property...they have the intellectual right, and if a director makes a change that is not approved ( if they have it covered in their contract ) then they can order a re-write, etc.

basically, it is their property, they can do what they want. if HAMA is their guy, and they trust him, it will be changed.

if they believe Sommers, it won't.

ALOT of this will depend on how much grief they hear on the subject. if they get a whiff of US not wanting to support this, in large numbers, then it will be changed.

it boils down to "who do they trust?"

remember, a good cast, big budget, and hot shot director does not success guarantee...just ask the Godzilla remakers from around '98.

As everything is conjecture: I will go by his (Sommers) own words on the Van Helsing commentary track - he is a final cut Director and will not work outside of those parameters. So if he has to bring it in at a certain rating and length then he could do what he wants in those parameters. But again we don't know! But again unless something has changed and obviously I am not his friend we are to assume that he has final cut! Don't take my word on it, watch the flick with the track on. And it is not logical to think that Hama who is not DGA could come in and direct! As far as who they Trust - um - they hired Sommers as their Director. I think the trust thing is silly to bring up!

I don't know what you call success, but a $130 million dollar movie (Godzilla) that makes $380 milion is a success!

[Crimson Guard 51]

As everything is conjecture: I will go by his (Sommers) own words on the Van Helsing commentary track - he is a final cut Director and will not work outside of those parameters. So if he has to bring it in at a certain rating and length then he could do what he wants in those parameters. But again we don't know! But again unless something has changed and obviously I am not his friend we are to assume that he has final cut! Don't take my word on it, watch the flick with the track on. And it is not logical to think that Hama who is not DGA could come in and direct! As far as who they Trust - um - they hired Sommers as their Director. I think the trust thing is silly to bring up!

I don't know what you call success, but a $130 million dollar movie (Godzilla) that makes $380 milion is a success!

cal, we've had this conversation before...you find someone associated with Godzilla, and they'll tell you they were disappointed, cause they were PLANNING sequels, and they never appeared...and i'm assuming at the risk of that, that the $380 was total, not domestic, with other foreign money waiting.

i don't know what he said in those tracks for Van Helsing, could care less, there's a reason i didn't go see Van Helsing...

if you take him at his words then he gets what he wants...of course, who's gonna get out there and say, "yeah, i have my vision, but i let the corporate guys come in and have the final say."

don't know where ya got the idea for hama to direct...i've never heard that.

there is ALOT of negative talk about this movie from the fans who have kept it going over 25 years...that doesn't bode well.

Warner had BIG plans for Dukes of Hazzard, brought in 'stiffler' and 'jack ass' as Bo and Luke to get a bigger audience...the OLD audience that had been wanting the movie didn't show...and the negative press didn't show up until much later in the process than it did now.

MY hope is that Hasbro will wise up, and make the changes...

the world boils down to economics...IF hasbro thinks that the movie will tank, or make less than $300 million ( where they make a profit but don't think they'll be able to make a trilogy ) then they might make changes...NO MATTER what sommers thinks.

[Caliburn]

cal, we've had this conversation before...you find someone associated with Godzilla, and they'll tell you they were disappointed, cause they were PLANNING sequels, and they never appeared...and i'm assuming at the risk of that, that the $380 was total, not domestic, with other foreign money waiting.

i don't know what he said in those tracks for Van Helsing, could care less, there's a reason i didn't go see Van Helsing...

if you take him at his words then he gets what he wants...of course, who's gonna get out there and say, "yeah, i have my vision, but i let the corporate guys come in and have the final say."

don't know where ya got the idea for hama to direct...i've never heard that.

there is ALOT of negative talk about this movie from the fans who have kept it going over 25 years...that doesn't bode well.

Warner had BIG plans for Dukes of Hazzard, brought in 'stiffler' and 'jack ass' as Bo and Luke to get a bigger audience...the OLD audience that had been wanting the movie didn't show...and the negative press didn't show up until much later in the process than it did now.

MY hope is that Hasbro will wise up, and make the changes...

the world boils down to economics...IF hasbro thinks that the movie will tank, or make less than $300 million ( where they make a profit but don't think they'll be able to make a trilogy ) then they might make changes...NO MATTER what sommers thinks.


Don't want to run this thread off track so I will say my final peace before a Mod yells at me............(you know who you are...LOL)

Final Edit in Hollywood means just that. Not a lot of directors have that - can Sommers be lying -yeah. I choose to believe him because with the logic of not believing him is silly. Why claim to be something you are not? Hey, maybe they are not even making a movie......they are lying to us!...LOL.
I assume things are true until told otherwise - He says he is - so he has Directors Cut status! Not to mention that his career is banking on this film (long-term) and I can assume that he his pursuing with great care moving forward. Godzilla is put to rest - don't care. I made my point with facts, you did not!

The GI Joe script I read and I presume from their posts Destro and Gunslinger have also read is GI Joe. I mean yeah with over five hundred characters in the vault it is hard to dwindle it down tho under twenty. With hundreds on cartoons and comics and at the least (if you go with the 80's craze) 26 years of history it is hard to tell every story. So not everyone is going to be pleased. It would take years in a network format to tell their story! So a movie under 2 and a half hours - well again sacrifices will be made.

I can say this about the rumor's and gossip from what I have heard. Most of it is correct, but not represented correctly from how it reads in the script. But I can guarantee that as a die hard American who grew up in the midst of the toy, cartoon and comic line that you will enjoy this film. It wont be groundbreaking and or relevant to our country's issues of race, politics and economics but who cares? Its a science Fiction film for families. It will be great way to spend a few dollars and hours! So to close out my rant - The movie is being filmed there is nothing that anyone can do to change the wheels that have been set in motion. We should sit back wait and enjoy. If you don't like it and the public hates it.........Then we can call it G.I. Godzilla- 2009 version of course......lol.

basically, it is their property, they can do what they want. if HAMA is their guy, and they trust him, it will be changed.

if they believe Sommers, it won't.

ALOT of this will depend on how much grief they hear on the subject. if they get a whiff of US not wanting to support this, in large numbers, then it will be changed.

it boils down to "who do they trust?"


You cannot replace a DGA director Sommers with a non-union person Hama as you are insinuating, never will happen!

[Crimson Guard 51]

Final Edit in Hollywood means just that. Not a lot of directors have that - can Sommers be lying -yeah. I choose to believe him because with the logic of not believing him is silly. Why claim to be something you are not? Hey, maybe they are not even making a movie......they are lying to us!...LOL.
I assume things are true until told otherwise - He says he is - so he has Directors Cut status! Not to mention that his career is banking on this film (long-term) and I can assume that he his pursuing with great care moving forward. Godzilla is put to rest - don't care. I made my point with facts, you did not!

You cannot replace a DGA director Sommers with a non-union person Hama as you are insinuating, never will happen!


1.) I NEVER, EVER, E-E-E-EVER said replace Sommers with HAMA...check YOUR facts before accusing me of not having any.

2.) i gave you an example of someone who owned a franchise, and PREVENTED hollywood from changing it. he was protective of it because it was his first book...hasbro should be protective because it's one of their most profitable franchises.

3.) the only reason i mentioned Godzilla ( 98 ) was because it's an example of hollywood taking a proven, profitable franchise and trying to retell it, making the changes that they see as BETTER than those proven in the free market.

i'll back it up.

Godzilla '98:
Projected opening weekend: $90 million
ACTUAL opening weekend: $44 million

projected domestic gross: > $200 million
ACTUAL domestic gross: $137 million

projected world wide gross: > $300 million
ACTUAL world wide gross: $262 million


Dukes of Hazzard ( '05 )

projected, screw it, the film made $30 million domestic and $140 TOTAL. they were expecting something in the $300's.

point being, they screwed with the recipe.

hollywood LIKES doing that. they have very little knowledge of America between the coast...this shows up in their films.

i'm seriously afraid that they're doing that with this film...from the spoilers i've heard, and they are a many...matter of fact, it's every time i log on here.

anyway, here's my facts, cal. i look forward to your response.

i believe you said something before about an 'education.' i let it slide, since that issue was a misunderstanding.

this time, i can't...consider this lesson free of charge. i'll have to charge you next time.

all kidding aside, please, convince me that this will work...that they haven't changed too much.

i hope i'm wrong and you are right.

[Caliburn]

[QUOTE=Crimson Guard 51;90243] if a director makes a change that is not approved ( if they have it covered in their contract ) then they can order a re-write, etc.

basically, it is their property, they can do what they want. if HAMA is their guy, and they trust him, it will be changed.

if they believe Sommers, it won't.

ALOT of this will depend on how much grief they hear on the subject. if they get a whiff of US not wanting to support this, in large numbers, then it will be changed.

it boils down to "who do they trust?"

QUOTE]

You implied that Hasbro could go with Hama if Sommers gets it wrong. That is not correct - Hama is not the screenwriter nor is he a director. So if you did not mean to imply that I would like for you to clarify what you meant? Also I wont argue Godzilla anymore. The argument is not what they projected for every breakdown - weekend, world, etc. That is pointless and a little iffy in my books. Where did you get these numbers? Anyway the point is it did do twice the production budget which is the recipe for a hit in the movie world. Now did it do such numbers that deemed a sequel - no! Not very many films do. But it was factually a profitable = successful picture! And your arguments are very flawed. You cannot compare Godzilla and Dukes of Hazzard to GI Joe. Those were main stream entities...... Joe's are for the Closet Nerds and nostalgia freaks. Akin to the Trekkies. My mother,sister girlfriend all know what GI Joe is but they cant pick Snake Eyes out of a line up. But who does not know what Godzilla looks like. The original GI Joe comics was not a huge success, it wasn't....it ran for 150 issues? Big deal, that is nothing compared to Batman, Superman, etc. the cartoon aired for what four years........the point is the producers need to get it right for the Non-Joe fan base just as much if not more than us. They need to take a step outside the Geek mind set. and i use the word Geek not in a demeaning fashion.

Now on to the Joe movie itself - What are you exactly expecting is the question. I mean if you named ten things you want to see and only got 8 of them....would that be okay in your book. What about 5.....that's 50%. I think you are throwing a lot of expectations into this film. The movie does play up the International angle but Duke and Hawk are clearly American Soldiers. Snake-Eyes is clearly in his black outfit. Key players are in the movie, Destro, Baroness, Cobra Commander. They are throwing in a little Sigma Six for the Sigma Six fans. Cobra Commander is just becoming a leader -call it a prequel to the GI Joe Cartoon Movie if you want or an origin movie, whatever. Scarlett and Ripcord Do Not have a romance. If anyone read it as a romance -script, that is- seriously needs to start dating to learn what the term Girlfriend means! I don't know what to tell you other than in a year you can see for yourself.

Anyway I'm tired going to bed...........long day on the set. Excuse if there is any misspelled words. or if my rambles don't make sense......I'm not going to re-read it.

[Caliburn]

1.) i believe you said something before about an 'education.' i let it slide, since that issue was a misunderstanding.

this time, i can't...consider this lesson free of charge. i'll have to charge you next time.


Do you take PayPal........LOL.............I don't do E-bay!

[Crimson Guard 51]

You implied that Hasbro could go with Hama if Sommers gets it wrong. That is not correct - Hama is not the screenwriter nor is he a director. So if you did not mean to imply that I would like for you to clarify what you meant? Also I wont argue Godzilla anymore. The argument is not what they projected for every breakdown - weekend, world, etc. That is pointless and a little iffy in my books. Where did you get these numbers?
And your arguments are very flawed. You cannot compare Godzilla and Dukes of Hazzard to GI Joe. Those were main stream entities...... Joe's are for the Closet Nerds and nostalgia freaks. Akin to the Trekkies.
The original GI Joe comics was not a huge success, it wasn't....it ran for 150 issues? Big deal, that is nothing compared to Batman, Superman, etc. the cartoon aired for what four years........the point is the producers need to get it right for the Non-Joe fan base just as much if not more than us. They need to take a step outside the Geek mind set. and i use the word Geek not in a demeaning fashion.

Now on to the Joe movie itself - What are you exactly expecting is the question. I mean if you named ten things you want to see and only got 8 of them....would that be okay in your book. What about 5.....that's 50%. I think you are throwing a lot of expectations into this film. The movie does play up the International angle but Duke and Hawk are clearly American Soldiers. Snake-Eyes is clearly in his black outfit. Key players are in the movie, Destro, Baroness, Cobra Commander. They are throwing in a little Sigma Six for the Sigma Six fans. Cobra Commander is just becoming a leader -call it a prequel to the GI Joe Cartoon Movie if you want or an origin movie, whatever. Scarlett and Ripcord Do Not have a romance. If anyone read it as a romance -script, that is- seriously needs to start dating to learn what the term Girlfriend means! I don't know what to tell you other than in a year you can see for yourself.


i am saying that the OWNER of the product brought Hama in as a CONSULTANT for a reason. they've implied that he made some changes to appease the comics fans...i guess Sommers was ok with that.
if they hear alot of bad stuff, and he says that the way it is portrayed is vastly different from what GI Joe has been, t here is a chance that it will be changed...w/o changing the director, as the changes already made have been.

the godzilla numbers?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=godzilla.htm

i think there was another. it's pretty simple. i'm not even an insider, but i've got google.

the only thing out of 'Dukes of Hazzard' to have mainstream appeal were Daisy Duke's shorts.

you made a GREAT point about Star Trek, and i'll use it when i talk about what i expect from the movie.

i expect the movie to be about GI Joe, and what GI Joe has ALWAYS been...an American fighting force. not a few members, but all...with a handful ( less than 10 foreign associates ). that's been in EVERY incarnation of GI Joe. FACT. i expect this the way a Trekkie would expect Mr. Spock to be from Vulcan.

you can't have a star trek movie and expect the audience to see Mr. Spock as a Klingon, or some other thing. they'd revolt.

i expect the character's relationships to be intact, or at least very recognizable to the Canon of GI Joe. they can explain it all they want to, but it needs to be there.
they couldn't have Mr. Spock as a warm and fuzzy guy getting it on with the black chick ( nothing against that, just can't remember her name, not a big trekkie ). you couldn't have Mr. Spock and the Doctor gettin along...they weren't that way in the show, it shouldn't be that way in the movie.

and as for the GI Joe comic running 150 issues, and only 4 years on TV...Star Trek did 3 years, 79 episodes...

GI Joe is just as big as star trek was when it came out, and has hung around the same way.

when you have something like that, the FIRST thing you do is FEED your audience...your core audience.

if you can tell the story right, you'll pick up new people.

i think Star Trek is a GREAT example of that.

thanks for bringing it up.

and, sorry, no pay pal, but from one smart ass to another, it's on the house.

i'm not totally against the movie. it's just that they're changing BIG things that are what GI JOE is about...

'A Real American Hero.'

i'm not ashamed of that...it seems to me the movie makers are.

i don't know how they get around that. i would love to see some of the things that they've changed from the canon fixed or moved towards in the sequels.

problem is, i'm seriously afraid that they will make too many changes and the audience, the core ( snake eyes talking, taking a vow of silence??? ), that won't support it...ala, dukes of hazzard.

and cal, please tell me you weren't up logging on here at 4:37 AM...please tell me that's a glitch on this page...

have a good one.

[TheVileOne]

I mean some of the ridiculous rumors like Scarlett/Ripcord, Baroness being a blond the entire movie, or that Snake-Eyes talks and doesn't wear a mask. The international thing is kind of a bummer, but I can live with it. They're still mainly run by Americans.

It was reported that Sienna Miller is wearing a wig for the role. We've seen the Snake Eyes pictures so we know he's wearing a mask. So what do you want to clarify about Scarlett/Ripcord and Scarlett/Snake Eyes?

[copywrite]

Huh? I already knew all that stuff, what's your point?

[Crimson Guard 51]

can we count the ways they've screwed up snake eyess? rumors, understood...

1.) Not with scarlett
2.) he talks
3.) not disfigured
4.) he talks, until his vow of silence

yeah, i find it hard to believe that they've done some of that...maybe someone who knows better can clarify.

[Caliburn]

and, sorry, no pay pal, but from one smart ass to another, it's on the house.

and cal, please tell me you weren't up logging on here at 4:37 AM...please tell me that's a glitch on this page...

have a good one.

LOL.........I was. I am a Screenwriter and the best time to work is at night.

The world is so calm, the girilfried is asleep, the friends have put down the X-box 360 and I can write in peace! Sometimes I get bored - different from writers block -and I do a little Hisstanking. Or sometimes I just simply forget to Log off? Either way I am a night owl.

[Gentleman]

My least favorite part?

Wayans as comic relief, obviously.

Again: "as comic relief"... NOT as Ripcord. I'm not against him being in the film or him playing Ripcord, I'm against the casting of Wayans as the film's comic relief.



Everything else, I'm perfectly fine with.



LOL.........I was. I am a Screenwriter and the best time to work is at night.

The world is so calm, the girilfried is asleep, the friends have put down the X-box 360 and I can write in peace! Sometimes I get bored - different from writers block -and I do a little Hisstanking. Or sometimes I just simply forget to Log off? Either way I am a night owl.

I hear you, totally. I'm not a screenwriter per se, but I did go to film school and enjoy writing a lot. Hopefully I'm actually good at it as well ( ? )

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

Well, SE is at least wearingh a mask now. At least in the pictures released. Still, reports of him appearing with out a mask have not been confirmed or denied. Regardless, at least THAT part was fixed.

[Golobulous]

have to say marlon wayans as ripcord, why could he not have been stalker, or doc. I just wish the characters could retain some semblance of originality

[copywrite]

Well, SE is at least wearingh a mask now. At least in the pictures released. Still, reports of him appearing with out a mask have not been confirmed or denied. Regardless, at least THAT part was fixed.

If he doesn't wear a mask it'll probably be in a flashback.

[Crimson Guard 51]

i'd be cool with the flashback. i just don't understand why they changed SO much.

they could have followed most of the GI Joe canon, an substituting the Iraq War for the Vietnam War.

i think most of us would be cool with most of what they did IF they got the core stuff right.

[copywrite]

They really haven't even changed that much. The only major change is the whole Duke/Baroness/CC deal. Even that sounds more interesting than the comics. I'd rather not see CC as a used car salesmen.

[Crimson Guard 51]

yeah, but the whole Duke / Baroness / CC thing is pretty far fetched for me.

CC was a used car salesman in the comics, BEFORE he started his little soap company, etc. then they branched into other things. he rewarded those loyal, moved them up, expanded, etc.

basically Amway on steroids. i think they could have made that work if one of those companies had been something in the defense business, or even him as the mad scientist doctor who feels screwed over by the government, and uses it as inspiration to start a counter movement...which is what cobra started as...basically a militia movement with a corporate arm.

but, i can actually deal with the CC / Duke / baroness thing.

MAJOR changes are
1.) no "Real American Hero" ( i know we've heard it before, but it's big.
2.) talking Snake Eyes...
3.) foreign joes

etc.

those are pretty big.

i'm wondering if the people who thought that a Pro - American movie would not make money are the same people who thought that the turd anti - war pic with Redford and Cruise WOULD make money?

or the ones who thought a movie about christ where all the lines are in aramaic and people would have to read the dialogue would NOT make money?

yup...dead on hollywood.

[TheVileOne]

None of the anti-Iraq anti-war movies are making money. Even though the last piece of crap called STOP LOSS was disguised by the studio as some kind of street OC knock off to fool people into seeing it. Didn't work.

From what I understand Stop Loss goes as far back to the Clinton years, and it's used to an entire unit, NOT individual soldiers.

[Crimson Guard 51]

hollywood has NO idea what people want...people who don't live on the east and west coast anyway.

how many movies NOT based on comics, which come in at PG or PG-13, or movies not named STAR WARS have made money, serious money, in the past 5 years?

i'm getting tired of going to movies and getting lectured...that's why i quit watching sitcoms.

[TheVileOne]

That's a good point. Rarely do any movies Hollywood produce play well with middle America. It's typically an audience Hollywood has no idea how to capitalize on. The small more rural towns you know?

Back in the day, this was one audience that Clint Eastwood liked to appeal to before he became an Oscar addict.

[Crimson Guard 51]

That's a good point. Rarely do any movies Hollywood produce play well with middle America. It's typically an audience Hollywood has no idea how to capitalize on. The small more rural towns you know?

Back in the day, this was one audience that Clint Eastwood liked to appeal to before he became an Oscar addict.

and people had no idea why people watched them...

people WANT to love their country.

Americans WANT to love their country.

WHY not feed that audience? they will show up.

[TheVileOne]

Because it doesn't sell overseas ;) .

For Clint Eastwood it doesn't win enough Oscars. Believe it or not there was a time where Eastwood cared more about reaching middle America and Americans in general than his popularity with critics and the Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts, and Sciences.

[Crimson Guard 51]

hasbro needs to think about the rest of the franchise...

a turd movie could hurt.

[Crimson Guard 51]

Because it doesn't sell overseas ;) .

For Clint Eastwood it doesn't win enough Oscars. Believe it or not there was a time where Eastwood cared more about reaching middle America and Americans in general than his popularity with critics and the Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts, and Sciences.

the last one of those he made was "Heartbreak Ridge"

great movie.

but the americans beat back the peace loving cuban communist.

imperialist yankee pigs...that's why it tanked overseas.

[MAJOR WOLF]

Because it doesn't sell overseas ;) .

For Clint Eastwood it doesn't win enough Oscars. Believe it or not there was a time where Eastwood cared more about reaching middle America and Americans in general than his popularity with critics and the Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts, and Sciences.

I miss Clint he was awesome...

[crock master]

they need to drop all the drama, and show cobra messing shit up during the whole movie.then have cobra commander mess everything up by accident, the end

[Crimson Guard 51]

if they're wanting DARKER...they should look at the DDP version of hte comic. very dark.

CC just killed his own son, then hangs his body by a flagpole as a warning to others.

[Amaury Sanderson]

Yes, but i think DDP is writing this kind of darker story because they know they arrive to the end of their contract.
It seems the movie is not intended specially to adults or mature audience, but more to family (as Transformers), that's (maybe) why they simplify a complex character as SE and they erase the strange relationship he has with Chana.

...

[TheVileOne]

It's not that strange of a relationship. And its a romantic relationship that goes back for YEARS in the comics that the producers say they are basing the movie off of.

[Funnel Rat]

If SE does talk I hope they dub his voice. That Ray Parks voice is a bit cartoony sounding. In fact maybe a dub of SS too.

[Crimson Guard 51]

Yes, but i think DDP is writing this kind of darker story because they know they arrive to the end of their contract.
It seems the movie is not intended specially to adults or mature audience, but more to family (as Transformers), that's (maybe) why they simplify a complex character as SE and they erase the strange relationship he has with Chana.

...

1.) DDP has been dark for years.
2.) the relationship is NOT 'strange.' they were sparring in a training session...he impressed her by his mastery of martial arts, AND the fact he didn't try to act macho ( it's called cool ). she asked HIM out. that's it.

hardly the stuff of Danielle Steel.

[Cpl. Breaker]

I think "Marlon Wayans as Ripcord" should have been changed to "The original race/nationality/ethnic origin of any GI Joe character changed" as a voting point.

[GrapeSoda]

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[Mech-Viper]

the last one of those he made was "Heartbreak Ridge"

great movie.

but the americans beat back the peace loving cuban communist.

imperialist yankee pigs...that's why it tanked overseas.

dam peace loving hippies

[Viper46]

hey, Clint redeemed himself with Gran Torino

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[Flint5150]

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[Pepsi Jedi]

I've read the novelization, which is based off the screen play. Doesn't mean it's 100% true to what we'll see on the screen but it's pretty close.

SPOILERS:

In the book... There is no SE/Scarlet romance. he's protective but Scarlet actually tells ripcord there's nothing sexual between them

Channing IS Duke..

CC is the doctor. Brother of the Baroness. She doesn't know, and is under mind control.

Marlon is Ripcord, and is there for comic releif, but does fight and such too. Look for the scene with the cow....

Snake Eyes: Does not talk in the book. Not even in the flash back. What he DOES do, is use his wrist communicator to send a 'text message' to Heavy duty to tell him a laser is disabled to the tune of

"Laser Disables. "Have a nice day"

And HD comments that he knew SE had a sense of humor.

There was no monolog about "Father knew it'd come to this" or any of that. not saying they won't edit and put it in, but I highly doubt it.

This isn't strange. In the cartoons he used Sign language on a few occassions and he does use hand signals tons of times in the comics

The team IS international, but then it always has been. It's a bit more pronounced in the movie.

And...

*Bigger Spoiler.. you've been warned.*

Yes... in the book. Covergirl is killed by Zartan. Not just stabbed, but killed dead then mocked.

Now.. that was the novel based onn the screen play. Scenes could be cut out (( wouldn't be surprised if they pulled the punch on Covergirl.)) or added (( like SE talking, but I doubt it)) but that's how it plays in the book.

[nemescream]

Put me down for no Scarlett/Snake Eyes romance. It's bs, that I hope is resolved in the sequel.

[butter_the_pure]

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[mikevoltz]

SE is supposed to be a silent masked ninja commando. I think they should have left him that way...I like not knowing what he is thinking, it makes him more mysterious...

I know according to the Joe-Bible (Comic) Snake Eyes doesn't talk, but I never picked up the comic or set any rules based on the story line of the comic. I watched the cartoon, which did not expound on his unfortunate accident, and I collected figures. My Snake Eyes always could talk but was a man of few words that let his actions speak louder. Face it when are a BadAss Ninja Commando like Snake Eyes you don't need to say much.

[colonyofcells]

Snake eyes should be allowed to talk a little. Intentionally not talking but sending text messages all the time is just too weird.
The Baroness is a lot more interesting if she is not brainwashed and the nanomites overuse including for brainwashing is just too much.
I am all for more romance and sex in GI Joe and Cobra. There is also some Romeo and Juliet going on in the movies since Duke and Baroness love each other but are on opposite sides. In the cartoons, Zarana was also in love with a Joe.