UFC 100 Lesnar vs Mir

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Main card


Heavyweight Championship unification bout: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir
Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St-Pierre vs. Thiago Alves
Middleweight bout: Dan Henderson vs. Michael Bisping
Middleweight bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago
Preliminary card


Light Heavyweight bout: Mark Coleman vs. Stephan Bonnar
Lightweight bout: Mac Danzig vs. Jim Miller
Light Heavyweight bout: Jon Jones vs. Jake O'Brien
Welterweight bout: Dong Hyun Kim vs. TJ Grant
Middleweight bout: C.B. Dollaway vs. Tom Lawlor
Lightweight bout: Matt Grice vs. Shannon Gugerty
Anybody else watching tonight?

If a pay-per-view has the potential to be good, like tonight, we have bunch of peeps over and fix a big meal, and drink a lot beer.

Tonight its gonna be slow-cooked baby back ribs and Carolina Blonde as the beer of choice.

I predict Brock Lesnar as the undisputed heavyweight champ. Either that or Frank Mir breaks his leg.

[PitViper]

Oh man I am AMPED for all these fights tonight!! I think Henderson and Bisping is gonna be a show stopper!...I'm probably gonna watch it in my sprawl shorts...and NOTHING else...except for a good buzz :)

Enjoy fighters and fight fans! Gonna be a good one!

[sonofdestro]

I would love to watch it, but I just cant justify paying the outrageous pay per view price. I will just watch when it eventually comes on Spike TV.

[pud333]

My thoughts:

Mir by submission: Brock will win if he keeps this standing, but I kinda think Mir has his number.

GSP by TKO: Alves has the best chance winning if he can stay standing long enough to catch GSP in the first couple of rounds, but in reality, I think GSP takes him down at will. Alves may stuff a take down or two, but eventually GSP gets him down and GnP's him to death. Alves has a much shorter reach than GSP (like six inches or something) so he's gonna have to get inside, which means takedown territory. I think what we'll see is GSP won't shoot like normal due to Alves' knees, so he'll clinch and take him down. If Matt Hughes can get Alves down, so can GSP.

Fitch by decision: Fitch is gonna do what he always does: grind out a win. I doubt Thiago catches him like he caught Koscheck.

Bisping by split decision: This one is tough to call, I really think it could go either way. Hendo has that great right hand, the wrestling, and the granite chin. No one has ever KO'd him, and it sure as heck won't be Bisping (he's got no power). However, Bisping has great ability to stand back up if taken down, and he's in better shape. The last few fights, Hendo has shown he's lost a bit of his cardio, so I think Hendo wins first round, but Bisping takes the last two. At least one judge will see it Hendo's way.

Akiyama by one sweet, sexy submission. Belcher's a decent fighter, but he's off and on, and really not consistent. I think Akiyama will sub him by the second round. Go Sexyama!

[RockinHard]

I want Mir to win . . badly. I can't stand Brock.

Hard to call GSP vs. Alves.

I think Hendo will win.

[GrimlocksPS]

I would love to watch it, but I just cant justify paying the outrageous pay per view price. I will just watch when it eventually comes on Spike TV.

QFT

I think Lesnar will walk over Mir

GSP will impose his will on Alves and win probably by TKO or it will go to a decision.

Bisping will win by split decision

FIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH! Yeah i htink he'll win lol


I like the under card..

[mswi]

QFT

I think Lesnar will walk over Mir

GSP will impose his will on Alves and win probably by TKO or it will go to a decision.

Bisping will win by split decision

FIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH! Yeah i htink he'll win lol


I like the under card..


I'm with you
Mir has the experience but I think Brock is just a better pure athlete. The thing that got me was in there 1st fight, I saw an interview with Mir and he said he knew exactly what Brock was going to do. "get on top and Donkey Kong me". Problem was Mir didn't have a defense for that because thats exactly what Brock did, at will. I still believe that, there match could have been called because Brock was feeding Mir shot after shot.
I hated Brock in the beginning too! getting pushed by Dana and his cockiness, but know hes more humble and respectful.

GSP hands down, this guy just keeps getting better and better. He's looking for a legacy not a championship and Alves is just another step.

I hate Bisbing, but I think hes got this one.

[Sho Nuff]

Brock will smash Mir

GSP, I got my money on Thiago not even making it out of the first round.

Hendo, Hendo, Hendo, hope he smashes Bisping

Finch for the win!

[stburr91]

Should be some decent fights. Mir and Alves have no chance.

Brock by TKO in 3rd or 4th
GSP TKO in the 3rd.
Henderson by decision.

[RockinHard]

I don't get why ya'll love Brock so much. I hope he gets submitted or caught with a knock-out punch.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I would love to watch it, but I just cant justify paying the outrageous pay per view price. I will just watch when it eventually comes on Spike TV.

Thats why me and some friends make a big event out of it. Everybody pitches in some loot, enough to cover food, beer, and the PPV. Even with everything, its still cheaper that way.

Plus all the sh!t-talking is priceless.

[viper540]

should be brock as long as as he trained hard. watch him come out with the flying knee

[GrimlocksPS]

I don't get why ya'll love Brock so much. I hope he gets submitted or caught with a knock-out punch.

Its not about loving Brock, i hate the guy, the persona of the d-bag he's presenting is trash. I want him to lose but my experience in the ring makes me know Brock will win.

Mirs first win was pure luck. go back and watch it. Lesnar didn't listen to his corner and went out guns blazing, he tanked and Mir lucked out.

Brock proved his striking prowess against Herring and Couture. Mir KO Nog but he's far from as good of a striker as Lesnar. Mir is amazing on the ground, but he can't take Lesnar down.

Lesnar will win by KO.

[RockinHard]

Its not about loving Brock, i hate the guy, the persona of the d-bag he's presenting is trash. I want him to lose but my experience in the ring makes me know Brock will win.

Mirs first win was pure luck. go back and watch it. Lesnar didn't listen to his corner and went out guns blazing, he tanked and Mir lucked out.

Brock proved his striking prowess against Herring and Couture. Mir KO Nog but he's far from as good of a striker as Lesnar. Mir is amazing on the ground, but he can't take Lesnar down.

Lesnar will win by KO.
I see what you're saying, but then again, did you see Mir at the weigh-in? I have NEVER seen him in that kind of shape. I pray you're wrong, though. I want Mir to win, as well as Hendo.

[MAJOR BLOOD]

On a side note, I didn't know the cat that started tapout clothes died in a car wreck. I'm out the loop.

These fights are going to be pretty good tonight. Brock is effin' huge but technique can easily beat brute strength. We'll see how much truth is in that.

GSP is good all around and this should be a decent challenge to him. That kid he is fighting is up and coming so he may be a little too hungry. I saw some of the replays of his fights though and he seems pretty aggressive. He may try too hard and get submitted.

I would like to see Dave Henderson win. The laid back Cali guy against the mouthy brit? Tough one. I have always felt Bisbing was a strong competitor since he won the TV show. Henderson just wants to shut him up and may be a little pissed since no americans won on TUF.

[strike-hard]

My Picks

Brock over Mir -- I'm hoping Brock will play it safe and keep the fight standing and KO Mir. If the fight goes to the ground, well as long as Brock keeps his composure, and doesn't get all excited like he did last fight, he should be okay too, but I just don't like Mir, I wouldn't mind seeing him lose via KO, ala Mir vs. Pe De Pano, Mir vs. Vera.

Alves over GSP -- Alves by way of KO round 2 if Alves can stuff the takedowns, and keep the fight standing. If GSP takes him down, he will win by way of ground n pound, or decision.

Henderson over Bisping -- Don't even see how this one is even close. Bisping is overrated, and has not fought anybody near Hendo's level. Bispings Island LOL YouTube - Bisping's Island (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx6_K5MgxE)

Akiyama over Belcher -- Sexyama all the way baby by whatever he wants.

If you guys aren't ordering it, you can try sopcast or something.

[GrimlocksPS]

I see what you're saying, but then again, did you see Mir at the weigh-in? I have NEVER seen him in that kind of shape. I pray you're wrong, though. I want Mir to win, as well as Hendo.

I just caught the pics on sherdog and i have to admit he looks in great shape. Mir is one of those guys thats always looked little on the fatter side, but this time he looks cut as hell.

I would love to see Mir take the title, but my instinct tells me Lesnar will take it.

[RockinHard]

Hendo knocked Bisping the freak out! Yes!

C'mon GSP and Mir!!!!

[stburr91]

I loved seeing Bisping get knocked out. Decent fight, great ending.

[solid_strider]

I'm with you RockinHard, that was a sick knockout.

[RockinHard]

GSP owned Alves!

[Sho Nuff]

GSP owned Alves!

Was there any doubt?

[GrimlocksPS]

Wow I didn't expect Hendo to KO Bisping. Why is there so much hate toward the fella?

EDIT: That last shot on the floor was evil..he was out..the ref wasn't quick enough.

That kind of stuff is what the UFC is trying to avoid as it could end in a fatality. I was a very good KO though.

[solid_strider]

Lesnar destroyed Mir. Classy guy.

[GrimlocksPS]

Lesnar is an animal...Dana sitting there grinning like the Grinch..

[RockinHard]

What does he say to the fans? I am reading it on the web. Fans are booing him.

[Sho Nuff]

LOL, Brock handed him an asswhooping

[solid_strider]

I don't think he said anything to the fans, he just flipped them off. I thought they booed him cause he got in Mir's face after Mir tried to congratulate him.

[GrimlocksPS]

Lesnar needs to stop with the act. Its not the WWE. He has me fuming mad.

[RockinHard]

Lesnar needs to stop with the act. Its not the WWE. He has me fuming mad.
I can't stand him. Flipping off the fans? Getting in Mir's face after he tried to congratulate him? His unflinching, disrespectful, unthoughtful attitude and behavior is sickening.

Please Dana, please sign Fedor.

[GrimlocksPS]

I can't stand him. Flipping off the fans? Getting in Mir's face after he tried to congratulate him? His unflinching, disrespectful, unthoughtful attitude and behavior is sickening.

Please Dana, please sign Fedor.

Lesnar has zero class act or not. Fighters have a code of conduct, which involves touching gloves congratulating the winner, checking if your opponent is okay etc etc.

Fedor vs Lesnar UFC 103 pleeze!

[MLos1]

Lesnar is the way he is because he's literally got a personality disorder.

[GrimlocksPS]

Lesnar is the way he is because he's literally got a personality disorder.

Is he on Meds? If not he should be because he's acting like a retard.

[RockinHard]

Help me, Fedor. You're my only hope.

Help me, Fedor. You're my only hope.

Help me, Fedor. You're my only hope.

[GrimlocksPS]

Help me, Fedor. You're my only hope.

Help me, Fedor. You're my only hope.

Help me, Fedor. You're my only hope.

QFT!!

Give it a year..it'll happen

[MAJOR BLOOD]

I missed the fight. Who won the main bouts?

[RockinHard]

QFT!!

Give it a year..it'll happen
Let me ask a stupid question, but what does QFT mean?

[GrimlocksPS]

I missed the fight. Who won the main bouts?

Fight Finder - UFC 100 Lesnar vs. Mir 2 Mixed Martial Arts Statistics (http://www.sherdog.com/events/Ultimate-Fighting-Championship-Lesnar-vs-Mir-2-9568)

[GrimlocksPS]

Let me ask a stupid question, but what does QFT mean?

Quoted For Truth. Theres no such thing as a stupid question.

[MAJOR BLOOD]

Fight Finder - UFC 100 Lesnar vs. Mir 2 Mixed Martial Arts Statistics (http://www.sherdog.com/events/Ultimate-Fighting-Championship-Lesnar-vs-Mir-2-9568)

Thanks. Henderson knocked out Bisbing huh? Sweet. I thought Bisbing had a chance but it was well deserved. I think he made a comment in an interview he wouldn't get knocked out.

Lesner unified the belts too? Was it a decent fight or did he just beat his ass?

GSP showed he's at the top of his game it looks like. He's a tough em effer'.

[GrimlocksPS]

Thanks. Henderson knocked out Bisbing huh? Sweet. I thought Bisbing had a chance but it was well deserved. I think he made a comment in an interview he wouldn't get knocked out.

Lesner unified the belts too? Was it a decent fight or did he just beat his ass?

GSP showed he's at the top of his game it looks like. He's a tough em effer'.

The Hendo KO was awesome,. Lesnar dominated the fight.

[jllewis80]

Hendo had one of the greatest knock outs I've seen in a long time. And he put a little pepper on it.

Lesner messed Mir up but good. I should have put money on this one.
Glad I watched it.

[Rougarou]

Good show, have to find out what pre fight caused all the blood in the ring.

Hendo knock out was just a pure highlight.

Lesner showing he is in it for real. Just dominated that fight. Want to see him go against Fedor. Prob never going to happen.

[PitViper]

Ok the main card was cool, we saw Lesnar beat on Mir...GSP was a good fight..but lets here it for the AMERICAN HERO OF THE NIGHT....HENDO IS MY MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MAJOR BLOOD]

mmashare.com. Just got to watch that knock out by henderson. Holy $hit! Out cold son! Bisping went right into it and got one extra when he was down. Awesome. Time to watch the others now.

[Toboro]

Lesnar basically had Mir pinned like he was gonna rip his arm out of socket with Mir's head cradled so there was no way he could possibly be called for hitting him in the back of the head. All the while when he was just laying huge shots into Mir's face, herb dean was yelling at him to be active. It was ridiculous. Round 2, lesnar gets hit by the only three shots of the night mir lands. Slams mir, pins him in the corner and KTFO's him pretty hard. Mir wakes up mad, stumbles around, tries to say shit to brock. Brock got in his face pretty good and talked some shit, security was worried. Then Brock had a great after interview, said he was gonna drink a coors because bud doesn't pay him any money and probably mount his wife later that night. Mir who looked like frankenstein tried to play it off like Brock wasn't that great and he simply made a mistake.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

The thing that bothers me is the crowd booed Lesnar from the beginning, booed Lesnar when he took the fight to the ground, and booed Lesnar when he won.

And then they booed him and call him classless when he flipped them off.

Had the fight been anywhere but Vegas, which is where Mir is from, the crowd reaction would have been different, for the most part.

Mir has belittled and talked shit about Lesnar from the beginning, and people wonder why he's got no respect for Mir.

[stburr91]

Lesnar basically had Mir pinned like he was gonna rip his arm out of socket with Mir's head cradled so there was no way he could possibly be called for hitting him in the back of the head. All the while when he was just laying huge shots into Mir's face, herb dean was yelling at him to be active. It was ridiculous. Round 2, lesnar gets hit by the only three shots of the night mir lands. Slams mir, pins him in the corner and KTFO's him pretty hard. Mir wakes up mad, stumbles around, tries to say shit to brock. Brock got in his face pretty good and talked some shit, security was worried. Then Brock had a great after interview, said he was gonna drink a coors because bud doesn't pay him any money and probably mount his wife later that night. Mir who looked like frankenstein tried to play it off like Brock wasn't that great and he simply made a mistake.

Yes, Mir made a mistake, he stepped in the ring with Brock.

Only Fedor has a chance against Brock.

[Master Thespian]

You know, technically Hendo is a horrible striker. But DAMMIT if the guy can't flatten you with one punch. He threw that punch like he was tossing the discus in the Olympics or something. Bisping was nearly decapitated. Probably the worst KO I've seen since Rashad murder-KO'ed Chuck, only nastier.

[MAJOR BLOOD]

That knock out was sweet. On the replay you can just see Bisping go limp and hit the canvas. I liked how he got another one in when he was out cold. Bisping was out for a while too. All I could think of was the one line from the movie Friday when Smokey goes "you got knocked the f#@k out!".

Frank Mir looked like the ROC Commander without the mask when he got up. Lesner is freaking huge and hits with cinder blocks.

[Hit & Run]

Mir wakes up mad, stumbles around, tries to say shit to brock. Brock got in his face pretty good and talked some shit, security was worried. Then Brock had a great after interview, said he was gonna drink a coors because bud doesn't pay him any money and probably mount his wife later that night. Mir who looked like frankenstein tried to play it off like Brock wasn't that great and he simply made a mistake.

The thing that bothers me is the crowd booed Lesnar from the beginning, booed Lesnar when he took the fight to the ground, and booed Lesnar when he won.

And then they booed him and call him classless when he flipped them off.

Had the fight been anywhere but Vegas, which is where Mir is from, the crowd reaction would have been different, for the most part.

Mir has belittled and talked shit about Lesnar from the beginning, and people wonder why he's got no respect for Mir.

Brock is garbage. I was sort of pulling for Brock going into the fight but everything he did that fight was complete trash.

- Refused to touch gloves to start the fight. All the trash The Count spewed out, Henderson still touched gloves with him. Show some respect for the sport, you don't have to like the other fighter.

- He just dominated Mir, you won the fight, it is completely unnecessary to go stand over him and talk trash. Henderson dominated said his second shot was to shut his opponents mouth, but still had class after the fight and went over and made sure he was okay.

You destroyed the guy and avenged your only loss, just leave it at that.

- I'm sure Dana White felt great about his big money maker flipping off their fans.

- Then he is going to trash their biggest sponser because he gets money from Coors. Ummm......Brock, you get money from Bud too, UFC gets paid by Bud, they pay you. Now Dana White has to get in bed with Bud because you just trashed them on their highly hyped PPV that Bud paid some huge coin to be a part of.

Brock just has no class. Yeah, Mir talked trash going into the fight, so did you. It's marketing. I would be fine with Brock talking all the trash he wants today but it just completely rubbed me the wrong way last night. Just completely disrespected his opponent, the sport, the fans and the sponsor.

[Headman]

Brock is garbage. I was sort of pulling for Brock going into the fight but everything he did that fight was complete trash.

- Refused to touch gloves to start the fight. All the trash The Count spewed out, Henderson still touched gloves with him. Show some respect for the sport, you don't have to like the other fighter.

- He just dominated Mir, you won the fight, it is completely unnecessary to go stand over him and talk trash. Henderson dominated said his second shot was to shut his opponents mouth, but still had class after the fight and went over and made sure he was okay.

You destroyed the guy and avenged your only loss, just leave it at that.

- I'm sure Dana White felt great about his big money maker flipping off their fans.

- Then he is going to trash their biggest sponser because he gets money from Coors. Ummm......Brock, you get money from Bud too, UFC gets paid by Bud, they pay you. Now Dana White has to get in bed with Bud because you just trashed them on their highly hyped PPV that Bud paid some huge coin to be a part of.

Brock just has no class. Yeah, Mir talked trash going into the fight, so did you. It's marketing. I would be fine with Brock talking all the trash he wants today but it just completely rubbed me the wrong way last night. Just completely disrespected his opponent, the sport, the fans and the sponsor.

I've always said Brock makes a better heel than face.

[Rougarou]

What I hate is ESPN total lack of respect for the sport. Really no coverage of it and the guy who did do the highlights last night had no idea what he was looking at.

[aubades]

Brock just has no class. Yeah, Mir talked trash going into the fight, so did you. It's marketing. I would be fine with Brock talking all the trash he wants today but it just completely rubbed me the wrong way last night. Just completely disrespected his opponent, the sport, the fans and the sponsor.

You're absolutely right. I was mortified by the attempt at post knock-out intimidation and the tremendous disrespect shown to the fans with the double middle finger. Brock obviously thinks he's still in the "sports entertainment business" and not working at a sport. You could tell that Dana was pissed and a little confused about how to handle it as he put the belt around Brock's waist. If you find the post fight interview on Yahoo Sports with Lesnar, you can tell that Dana chewed Brock's ass out. Brock should be ashamed for acting like a fifteen year old on steroids.

[Hit & Run]

What I hate is ESPN total lack of respect for the sport. Really no coverage of it and the guy who did do the highlights last night had no idea what he was looking at.

Yeah, I haven't kept up completely with MMA since Pride went under but I was heavily into it for near a decade and just always shutter when the topic would come up on PTI, Around the Horn or Mike and Mike. Everyone on ESPN had the same opinion, "barbaric," "these guys just go out and brutalize eachother," etc. You would think they would educate themselves in it since their job is to sometimes talk about it.

You're absolutely right. I was mortified by the attempt at post knock-out intimidation and the tremendous disrespect shown to the fans with the double middle finger. Brock obviously thinks he's still in the "sports entertainment business" and not working at a sport. You could tell that Dana was pissed and a little confused about how to handle it as he put the belt around Brock's waist. If you find the post fight interview on Yahoo Sports with Lesnar, you can tell that Dana chewed Brock's ass out. Brock should be ashamed for acting like a fifteen year old on steroids.

All five of us watching had the same reaction to it. I'll have to look up the post fight interview. We all assumed he was going to get chewed out, it'll be good to see it.

Plus I need to watch the Coleman fight.

[Toboro]

From what I've read, he got chewed out for the sponsor thing but really nothing else. Frankly there is such a funny bias towards Brock it's ridiculous. So, it's ok for a grown man "Hendo" to completely throw his entire body into a falling punch to a completely knocked out man to "shut his mouth" but it is not ok for a man go talk some ish to a guy who after getting up from being knocked out tries to talk ish to you? Also, why do you have to touch gloves with someone you genuinely dislike? This is a fight people, they are grown men and sometimes they don't like the person across the cage from them. A lot of the time a fight can "squash any beef" between people and they can be cool. Why is it that Mir get's a pass for all the shit he talked about Brock not being in his league and being an idiot who didn't know anything. Hell, the wwe skit Mir did making fun of Lesnar with his training partner was enough to merit his @$$beating. Maybe Mir will act more humble towards his next opponent and show a little class. Brock showed nothing but class towards Randy after the fight, Randy had shown a ton of class towards Brock.
As for flipping of the crowd, again, why shouldn't he have. They booed him walking in, booed him on the ground and started a "stand them up chant", booed him when he ko'd Mir. With all that adrenaline pumping I'd react the same way, why should you suck up to the same biased crowd who booed you the whole time? I'm a smart enough person to know the middle fingers were not meant for me or anyone else who wasn't booing him the whole time.
Either way, Brock is by far not my favorite fighter but he is quite entertaining to watch. I like people more like Anderson and Machida who are more intelligent in the cage and avoid damage while inflicting as much as they can. They are also tremendously humble and don't talk any trash about opponents. This has affected their PPV selling power so who am I to fault Brock and others for talking trash to get paid.

[solid_strider]

Mir wakes up mad, stumbles around, tries to say shit to brock. Brock got in his face pretty good and talked some shit, security was worried.

I didn't get that from Mir's facial expressions, unless you meant "something" when you said "shit to brock". Fighters talk smack all the time before a fight, but only the truly classless ones show no respect towards the other fighter, win or lose, after a fight.

[solid_strider]

I've always said Brock makes a better heel than face.

Lol

[gdztoyz]

I've always said Brock makes a better heel than face.

Haha so true! But as much as he tries to distance himself from it, in his apology afterwards, we kind of blamed his WWE background (as well as just being "jacked") on that whole display. Yeah...just no class whatsoever. But damn it, he's the man to beat though.

[Duffmann]

Did any one notice when Mir landed that knee, Brock came down on Mir and just laid there for 15 seconds no action, another 40-45 seconds goes by with no action and the crowed is yelling to stand these guys up. Herb Dean is just standing there like he has no clue what to do. Another 20 seconds after that Brock finally starts hammering Mir and the fight ends. I would have liked to see them stand them up because this is the main even and people pay money to watch these events. That 2nd round was so boring and terrible to watch it just seemed unreal that they would not stand these guys up given the fact for over a minute nothing happened at all until Brock got into a position and Brock started hammering away. The 1st round was not that much better but compared to the 2nd it was ok; it at least had a bit of action. Overall it was a good fight night but that main event was crap IMO.

[Dr. Whom]

Quoted For Truth. Theres no such thing as a stupid question.

I thought it meant "Quit F**king Talking"

lol I need a cyberspace dictionary

[GrimlocksPS]

I thought it meant "Quit F**king Talking"

lol I need a cyberspace dictionary

Maybe theres different meanings to it?

When i was younger FTW meant Eff The World, now it means For the Win.

Maybe i'm stuck in 1998 Internet lingo wise.


I want to address some comments brought up here about the conduct of fighters. Talking shit to each other is part and parcel of a fight build up. You fight the winner shuts up the loser, its over. UFC fighters generally have no class when it comes to conduct. There some fighters who have excellent conduct toward their opponents, The Spider is one of them.

Hendo's comment after the fight was justified as he had put up with months of shit talking form my fellow Brit Bisping. He kept it bottled up like a true fighter and saved it for the fight.

Lesnar was booed the whole time? Boo Hoo, he's a fighter its part and parcel of being in the ring. He was booed during the WWE too, but now its tragic because his heel turn isn't scripted? BS.

In the UFC the fight isn't over until the ref steps in, if you want that kind of fighting turn on ESPN and watch the Boxing. Hendos last blow to us the viewer seemed uncalled for but to Hendo Bisping was fair game until the ref stepped in. The only person at fault here is the slow ass ref.

[GrimlocksPS]

Brock apologizes, i'm thinking BUD made Dana make him.

UFC 100: Lesnar and St-Pierre Post Fight PC - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/mma/14458660;_ylt=AtlzzUi2BKCXKpS0tFAnkZlXEo14)

[Rougarou]

Oh i forgot,
The GSP corner was funny!
I pulled my groin.
That doesnt matter!
two seconds later
HIT HIM WIHT YOUR GROIN!

[Toboro]

Couple quick responses

"I didn't get that from Mir's facial expressions, unless you meant "something" when you said "shit to brock". Fighters talk smack all the time before a fight, but only the truly classless ones show no respect towards the other fighter, win or lose, after a fight."

Ok, the couple security guys holding Mir back as he angrily jammed over towards Brock didn't tell you he had some intent to say "something"? I know we only saw the back of his head but it was pretty easy to tell he was saying "something" to him.
So Hendo should go down as truly classless for having no respect towards a man who was still unconscious during his statements about shutting his mouth. He admitted that his own admitted late blow was thrown with ill will? By your statement I take it that is how you feel.
I honestly have no problem with either man. They are all grown men and it's a fight not a dance.

"Did any one notice when Mir landed that knee, Brock came down on Mir and just laid there for 15 seconds no action, another 40-45 seconds goes by with no action and the crowed is yelling to stand these guys up. Herb Dean is just standing there like he has no clue what to do. Another 20 seconds after that Brock finally starts hammering Mir and the fight ends. I would have liked to see them stand them up because this is the main even and people pay money to watch these events. That 2nd round was so boring and terrible to watch it just seemed unreal that they would not stand these guys up given the fact for over a minute nothing happened at all until Brock got into a position and Brock started hammering away. The 1st round was not that much better but compared to the 2nd it was ok; it at least had a bit of action. Overall it was a good fight night but that main event was crap IMO."

So 60 seconds without any action should merit a standup? Is this EliteXC? Is it kickboxing? No, this is MMA... if Mir has a problem being on his back then he should learn to standup! As you yourself stated 60 seconds later it led to the end of the fight. How is watching 2.5 minutes of a round where 1.5 minutes of that involved someone getting their teeth knocked down their throat not a good fight? How was the first round not entertaining? Some of the most brutal and innovative ground and pound I've seen with some pretty dramatic results.... just a quick quote for you."Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? ..."

"I want to address some comments brought up here about the conduct of fighters. Talking shit to each other is part and parcel of a fight build up. You fight the winner shuts up the loser, its over. UFC fighters generally have no class when it comes to conduct. There some fighters who have excellent conduct toward their opponents, The Spider is one of them."

I completely agree with you here, but even the Spider has a problem with Hendo if that doesn't tell you something. Machida, Randy, Spider.... these are all great ambassadors for the sport. They show true respect and excellent conduct towards their opponents.

"Hendo's comment after the fight was justified as he had put up with months of shit talking form my fellow Brit Bisping. He kept it bottled up like a true fighter and saved it for the fight."

I agree here as well, Bisping's comments worked against him as they served to actually make Hendo train hard for this fight. He looked better than he has in years. I agree it was a justified statement, I don't begrudge him his punch as it was fully within the rules. I only state that I find it very hypocritical that people are up in arms about one man's words and behavior towards another man yet have no problem with what could've resulted in serious injury and did result in a couple minutes of unconsciousness for another fighter. To me, someone's personal safety is much more of a concern than whether their "feelings" were hurt.

"Lesnar was booed the whole time? Boo Hoo, he's a fighter its part and parcel of being in the ring. He was booed during the WWE too, but now its tragic because his heel turn isn't scripted? BS."

I'm not boo-hooing this either, I'm just laughing at all the little pu$$ies who have a problem with one man flipping people off who were hating him from start to finish. Are we that weak? Are we that biased? Did they not deserve to be responded to? Did he not have the right to speak his mind? Have we really become keyboard warriors who can't handle having people actually respond back when we say bad things about them?

"In the UFC the fight isn't over until the ref steps in, if you want that kind of fighting turn on ESPN and watch the Boxing. Hendos last blow to us the viewer seemed uncalled for but to Hendo Bisping was fair game until the ref stepped in. The only person at fault here is the slow ass ref."

In all actuality the ref was there as quick as he could be. He couldn't respond from that angle until he saw Bisping on the ground, by that time Hendo was leaping into the air to add a cherry on top. I do agree that it was in the rules, as I stated... I have no problem with it. Only with people who think that it was more justified than someone talking ish to someone else. The day a punch like that leads to brain damage or serious injury in someone else is the day this sport loses it's mainstream appeal.

I love MMA, I love the fights and appreciate all aspects of it. People are bitching about Lesnar's fight but not that GSP laid on Alves for five rounds. Lesnar finished his fight.... GSP showed more elements to his game. Neither should be belittled for their accomplishments. Both are much braver men than me for having the courage to train and step in the cage for a living. How many of you are brave enough to do the same?

[MAJOR BLOOD]

Brock apologizes, i'm thinking BUD made Dana make him.

UFC 100: Lesnar and St-Pierre Post Fight PC - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/mma/14458660;_ylt=AtlzzUi2BKCXKpS0tFAnkZlXEo14)

I love how he had the Bud sitting there for the interview.

[GrimlocksPS]

I'm not boo-hooing this either, I'm just laughing at all the little pu$$ies who have a problem with one man flipping people off who were hating him from start to finish. Are we that weak? Are we that biased? Did they not deserve to be responded to? Did he not have the right to speak his mind? Have we really become keyboard warriors who can't handle having people actually respond back when we say bad things about them?

Theres speaking your mind and then theres biting the hand that feeds. HE dissed the fans, he dissed the sponsers, he basically spat in his bosses faces. But he manned up and apologized, to em thats the mark of a man.




I love MMA, I love the fights and appreciate all aspects of it. People are bitching about Lesnar's fight but not that GSP laid on Alves for five rounds. Lesnar finished his fight.... GSP showed more elements to his game. Neither should be belittled for their accomplishments. Both are much braver men than me for having the courage to train and step in the cage for a living. How many of you are brave enough to do the same?


I agree with you but GSP did seriously hurt himself during the 3rd(i think it was the 3rd) so he did what he needed to do to win.

[darthfoley]

I've always said Brock makes a better heel than face.

Thread winner.

[Dr. Whom]

I watched the video for this fight as it was my first and I was expecting a Kumate atmosphere. Not some big dude sitting atop of a little dude and punching him. This was a grown-up version of a playground fight. I hope nobody paid to watch this live

[GrimlocksPS]

I watched the video for this fight as it was my first and I was expecting a Kumate atmosphere. Not some big dude sitting atop of a little dude and punching him. This was a grown-up version of a playground fight. I hope nobody paid to watch this live

Well most the fights aren't like that at all.

Brock Lesnar is a big guy and his strategy is to throw people to the ground and KO them. He did win by a KO due to strikes against Randy Couture though.

Mixed Martial Arts is a sport just like any other combat sport.

[Dr. Whom]

Well most the fights aren't like that at all.

Brock Lesnar is a big guy and his strategy is to throw people to the ground and KO them. He did win by a KO due to strikes against Randy Couture though.

Mixed Martial Arts is a sport just like any other combat sport.

That fight had 0 martial arts in it

I can't help thinking that a true Martial Artist would not let this dude grab you down. I know Bloodsport is just a movie but I was hoping to see some different fighting styles and watch how they counteract each other.

[PitViper]

What I hate is ESPN total lack of respect for the sport. Really no coverage of it and the guy who did do the highlights last night had no idea what he was looking at.

Slowly but surely the crew at ESPN is comming around. They have been covering "stick and ball" sports since the late 70's and MMA is still relatively new to them...I know that sounds stupid but it is what it is.

In the last year alone Mike & Mike from ESPN have talked on air about how good the UFC is and how much better of a PPV event it is then boxing. ESPN Magazine has been covering it and Stuart Scott trains in recreational MMA and is pretty vocal about it in the mag. In the 2009 edition of the ESPN Sports Almanac MMA is including in the statics and is mentioned by writers a few times in the book. ESPN.COM is now offereing full coverage and a weekley online show.

We arent seeing it daily on SportsCenter, and its always gonna seem that way because when they cover baseball...its atleast 20 games and its daily, same with hockey...NCAA Football has more teams and divisions then you can shake a stick at and after next month the NFL will have everything on lockdown, thats just how it is.

They are comming around though, I'm a huge sports fan and a huge fight fan and recreational athlete/fighter..the great thing about MMA is that really as far as its come in the last 5 years, we are really toddlers in the world of sports. How much we've grown inside that short period speaks volumes...its still evolving and growing and people..even ESPN people are finding out this is a legitamate form of sports, even though its taking them forever! You cant take away from the sheer genius of Dana White's marketing skills and as much as other fight groups are cool...UFC is by far the absolute best.

The short version? Its good to be here right now...watching it catch on. At this point too, if you havent "gotten" it yet? Go f*ck yourself.

[Toboro]

I watched the video for this fight as it was my first and I was expecting a Kumate atmosphere. Not some big dude sitting atop of a little dude and punching him. This was a grown-up version of a playground fight. I hope nobody paid to watch this live.
That fight had 0 martial arts in it
I can't help thinking that a true Martial Artist would not let this dude grab you down. I know Bloodsport is just a movie but I was hoping to see some different fighting styles and watch how they counteract each other.

Dude, are you serious? Bloodsport? Kumate? Do you think you can make a woman come to life by using a barbie doll and your computer(weird science)? I mean I only come to that conclusion since it seems you are living in the past and basing your assumptions off of cheesy 80's and 90's movies.

You have to be joking man. Look this sport has been around for quite awhile, one could easily argue it's roots lie in Pankration. But as for style versus style the early UFC's were just that.. a BJJ dude fighting a Karate guy, a boxer against a sumo dude, a wrestler and a muay thai fighter. They were all ridiculously one sided towards BJJ at first. Everyone started to learn BJJ, then amateur wrestlers started to come along and counteract BJJ, then kickboxers counteracted them. Now, everyone has to have at least a decent working knowledge of all the arts to be any good. A straight up Karate, Muay Thai, Judo guy would get tooled by a well rounded MMA fighter. The base for many MMA fighters is Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ, and good conditioning. That has started to change more in recent years and until very recently Karate was more of a joke in MMA. Georges St. Pierre and Lyoto Machida are two people who recently showed that Karate, when used properly adds a very nice base to your skills. He may not have labeled himself as such but Bruce Lee was a true MMA pioneer.
If it's true and that was your first experience. Welcome to MMA, this is the sport where things change monthly. Who knows, tomorrow's next superstar might add Capoeira to his base.

[Rocky]

That fight had 0 martial arts in it

I can't help thinking that a true Martial Artist would not let this dude grab you down. I know Bloodsport is just a movie but I was hoping to see some different fighting styles and watch how they counteract each other.

LOL............. Maybe you were expecting Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes to throw down as well............LMAO!

[Toboro]

LOL............. Maybe you were expecting Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes to throw down as well............LMAO!

Quote of the day, seriously. But dude that big guy laying on him would totally get beaten by the "touch of death"

[Rocky]

Agreed..........lol.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I was expecting a Kumate atmosphere.

Not to insult the author of this gem, but that was the stupidest thing I may have ever heard.

Dude, you've really never seen a UFC or other MMA fight? This has been a legit sport since what, 1992 or 93.

Chong Li is disappointed in you.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/TomNab2/tong-po.jpg

[Toboro]

Video - Kiai master Yanagiryuken gets beaten up by MMA fighter - ToxicJunction.com (http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V2741)

That should prove how stupid that train of thought is... What they don't show in this version of the video is the old man has all his students attack him and he throws these stupid ass strikes into the air that knock them down or across the room.... He offers 5000 stating he can beat any MMA guy. I love how he gets hit in the face and has this look like "this isn't how it's supposed to happen"
Guys like this teaching stupid "Magic Kung FU" need to get a nice reality check...

[GrimlocksPS]

That fight had 0 martial arts in it

I can't help thinking that a true Martial Artist would not let this dude grab you down. I know Bloodsport is just a movie but I was hoping to see some different fighting styles and watch how they counteract each other.

Have you ever studied a Combat Sport? I'm not tlaking about a martial art here. I'm talking Combat Sports, like Boxing, Kick Boxing, Muay Thai, Krav Maga?

Theres nothing artful about fighting. MMA is as close to a real fight as you'll get in the ring. IN real fights people get dragged to the floor and pummeled till they black out. People get chocked and limbs wrenched in unnatural positions.

Movie fighting is just that, movie fighting. a real fight is usually over in 40 seconds.

As for not letting the guy grab you down. You can sprawl you can weave but if the guy is 20 pounds heavier than you and has a solid wrestling base theres a good chance you're going to go down. Lesnar is just big, mean and wants to prove himself as a MMA fighter. He's going to go in and go the ugliest way he can.

Lesnar was a NCAA champ before going to the WWE. Mir has a Jiu Jitsu base so is good on the ground but his wrestling isn't near Lesnars level.

[Rougarou]

I watched the video for this fight as it was my first and I was expecting a Kumate atmosphere. Not some big dude sitting atop of a little dude and punching him. This was a grown-up version of a playground fight. I hope nobody paid to watch this live

I dropped 55 dollars for the PPV and would again. There is just as much skill in the ground game as there is in striking. Its just like the NFL, people who truly like football dont mind watching good defenses play, but people who just happent to watch a game want to see two teams scoring like a basketball game. Same think in MMA, Striking has its place and the ground game has its. A ref also should stand two fighter up after only 15 seconds of so called non action like an earlier post said.

[ShakeZula77]

I dropped 55 dollars for the PPV and would again. There is just as much skill in the ground game as there is in striking. Its just like the NFL, people who truly like football dont mind watching good defenses play, but people who just happent to watch a game want to see two teams scoring like a basketball game. Same think in MMA, Striking has its place and the ground game has its. A ref also should stand two fighter up after only 15 seconds of so called non action like an earlier post said.

I agree. Though I never pay for these fights my local Hooters has them on for free while you drink...........:D

[Dr. Whom]

Have you ever studied a Combat Sport? I'm not tlaking about a martial art here. I'm talking Combat Sports, like Boxing, Kick Boxing, Muay Thai, Krav Maga?

Theres nothing artful about fighting. MMA is as close to a real fight as you'll get in the ring. IN real fights people get dragged to the floor and pummeled till they black out. People get chocked and limbs wrenched in unnatural positions.

Movie fighting is just that, movie fighting. a real fight is usually over in 40 seconds.

As for not letting the guy grab you down. You can sprawl you can weave but if the guy is 20 pounds heavier than you and has a solid wrestling base theres a good chance you're going to go down. Lesnar is just big, mean and wants to prove himself as a MMA fighter. He's going to go in and go the ugliest way he can.

Lesnar was a NCAA champ before going to the WWE. Mir has a Jiu Jitsu base so is good on the ground but his wrestling isn't near Lesnars level.

The closest one I studied briefly was Jeet Kune Do which is no style. And I am still friends with my entire High school wrestling team.

[Dr. Whom]

I dropped 55 dollars for the PPV and would again. There is just as much skill in the ground game as there is in striking. Its just like the NFL, people who truly like football dont mind watching good defenses play, but people who just happent to watch a game want to see two teams scoring like a basketball game. Same think in MMA, Striking has its place and the ground game has its. A ref also should stand two fighter up after only 15 seconds of so called non action like an earlier post said.

I know that Brock dude was much bigger but I have seen wrestlers squirm out of worse holds. Even dislocate their shoulders to escape.

[Dr. Whom]

Not to insult the author of this gem, but that was the stupidest thing I may have ever heard.

Dude, you've really never seen a UFC or other MMA fight? This has been a legit sport since what, 1992 or 93.

Chong Li is disappointed in you.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b376/TomNab2/tong-po.jpg

This was my first one sorry.

The roots of this sport goes back to the gladiators.

[Dr. Whom]

Video - Kiai master Yanagiryuken gets beaten up by MMA fighter - ToxicJunction.com (http://www.toxicjunction.com/get.asp?i=V2741)

That should prove how stupid that train of thought is... What they don't show in this version of the video is the old man has all his students attack him and he throws these stupid ass strikes into the air that knock them down or across the room.... He offers 5000 stating he can beat any MMA guy. I love how he gets hit in the face and has this look like "this isn't how it's supposed to happen"
Guys like this teaching stupid "Magic Kung FU" need to get a nice reality check...

That was comedy hour!

[stride23]

MMA to me just seems like two guys on the floor with the guy on top punching the other slow for about 10 min. THen the guy somehow gets up only to get back on the floor like 1 minute later. Are these MMA guys really that good?? From what I see you have to grab,wouldnt say a master of jujitsu or something be able to counter a grab like that? I don't get MMA.

[MLos1]

MMA to me just seems like two guys on the floor with the guy on top punching the other slow for about 10 min. THen the guy somehow gets up only to get back on the floor like 1 minute later. Are these MMA guys really that good?? From what I see you have to grab,wouldnt say a master of jujitsu or something be able to counter a grab like that? I don't get MMA.

If you're wondering how good they are, you're just having a hard time seeing the styles in it. A lot of it looks like just flopping around on the floor.

But it's not. It's super technical. It just looks like bashing and rolling around. Timing is a key element with all the techniques, and even the slightest turn on the ground, or wrenching maneuver is something that's been taught to them to counter attack something else.

It's all just hard to discern.

[Dr. Whom]

If you're wondering how good they are, you're just having a hard time seeing the styles in it. A lot of it looks like just flopping around on the floor.

But it's not. It's super technical. It just looks like bashing and rolling around. Timing is a key element with all the techniques, and even the slightest turn on the ground, or wrenching maneuver is something that's been taught to them to counter attack something else.

It's all just hard to discern.

I have a mostly wrestling background and I would done everything I can to get on my stomach if someone is allowed to wail on you. I have not watched enough MMA to know if they score you down for that though

[Shin-Gouki]

I think this sheds some light on the way Lesnar acted in regards to Mir.


"Brock Lesnar will never be able to beat me because he has no submission skills," Mir told me. "What's he going to do, knock me out? No one has never knocked me cold. What's he going to do, arm bar me? No way. He is powerful. He is big. But martial arts isn't filled with guys from the NFL. Lesnar had to grab the cage not to get taken down by Randy Couture, who's 220 pounds. Lesnar isn't the phenom that everyone makes him out to be. He started at 30. Have you ever seen a boxer start at 30 and become a world champion?"

I told Mir that most fans think he'd lose a rematch with Lesnar, based on the way Lesnar was pounding him early in their fight. Mir got a brief reprieve when the referee stood the fight up and warned Lesnar about hitting Mir in the back of the head, and shortly after that, Mir submitted Lesnar by catching him in a knee bar.

Mir said he understands why fans think that way, but that he believes he's so much more skilled than Lesnar that he'll be able to beat him even if Lesnar jumps on top of him and lands a series of punches.

"You see, he was completely kicking my ass," Mir said. "He was beating the s**t out of me. But I'm saying I'm going to figure out a way to win. Lesnar hit me so hard I was seeing flashes of light every time they landed. But at no point did quitting ever cross my mind."

Mir also said that, despite Lesnar's freakish athleticism, he thinks he'll have a significant conditioning advantage over the bigger man.

"The next time we fight, it's a five-round fight," Mir said. "Even if he beats the s**t out of me for the first two rounds, he won't last. He's so big, and the bigger you are, the harder it is on your heart. ... Brock can take me down. He's bigger, stronger and wrestled for 20 years. When he's fresh, if he wants to put me on my back, he'll put me on my back. But until then I'll be putting my shin upside his head, and when he does put me on my back, what's he going to do then?"

Frank Mir: 'Brock Lesnar Will Never Beat Me' But No Such Guarantee for Nogueira or Fedor -- MMA FanHouse (http://mma.fanhouse.com/2008/12/10/frank-mir-brock-lesnar-will-never-beat-me-but-no-such-guarant/)

[airmax95]

If you want serious MMA coverage, listen to Scotty Ferrell and Bubba The Love Sponge on Howard101 on SiriusXM satellite radio. Live interviews and complete breakdowns of the matches. Love Lesnar but seriously he is using PED's. MMA is not a clean sport yet.

[Rougarou]

I know that Brock dude was much bigger but I have seen wrestlers squirm out of worse holds. Even dislocate their shoulders to escape.

Brock is one of the best wrestlers around, plus wrestlers dont worry about getting choked or submitted when they squirm.

I have a mostly wrestling background and I would done everything I can to get on my stomach if someone is allowed to wail on you. I have not watched enough MMA to know if they score you down for that though

You need to match some more MMA. Getting to you stomach means giving up your back which is extremely dangerous. You open yourself up to chokes, being full mounted, and dangerous punches. If you are on your stomach and the get leg hooks in they and force you flat and wail on the side of your head, and all you can do is try to cover up.

[zuludelta]

I like how MMA is getting around to be accepted by the mainstream sports community and media as a real combative sport, and not just some glorified toughman competition or unscripted "backyard-style" pro wrestling.

If I have one concern with the way MMA is developing these days, it's how promotions have positioned themselves as de facto fight sanctioning and belt-awarding bodies. It looks great now with the UFC having massive crossover appeal, but I think it hurts the fighters and the health of the sport in the long run. Imagine if in boxing, Golden Boy Promotions had its own set of belts that only fighters signed to Golden Boy are eligible to fight for. Now extend that further and imagine if Top Rank Promotions had its own set of titles and belts that only Top Rank-signed fighters could get. The titles and belts would have little meaning in terms of true, across-the-board competition between the sport's top talents. That's effectively what's happening now in MMA, with consensus top fighters like Fedor Emelianenko, Paulo Filho, and others not getting a crack at fighting other top fighters just because they happen to be signed with non-UFC affiliated promotions.

[HawkHauser]

I thought it was funny Lesnar showed more charisma in his post-fight interview than he ever did in his WWE Career.

[Tall Creeper]

I certainly enjoyed the watching the fights at a bar in Padre and most everyone cheered the action we were watching as well! There were several people who booed Lesnar's actions and it really didn't surprise me as this guy still has the wwe in his head. I hope like hell Fedor comes over and ends his rain as the title holder!

[GrimlocksPS]

I like how MMA is getting around to be accepted by the mainstream sports community and media as a real combative sport, and not just some glorified toughman competition or unscripted "backyard-style" pro wrestling.

If I have one concern with the way MMA is developing these days, it's how promotions have positioned themselves as de facto fight sanctioning and belt-awarding bodies. It looks great now with the UFC having massive crossover appeal, but I think it hurts the fighters and the health of the sport in the long run. Imagine if in boxing, Golden Boy Promotions had its own set of belts that only fighters signed to Golden Boy are eligible to fight for. Now extend that further and imagine if Top Rank Promotions had its own set of titles and belts that only Top Rank-signed fighters could get. The titles and belts would have little meaning in terms of true, across-the-board competition between the sport's top talents. That's effectively what's happening now in MMA, with consensus top fighters like Fedor Emelianenko, Paulo Filho, and others not getting a crack at fighting other top fighters just because they happen to be signed with non-UFC affiliated promotions.

Paulo Filho HAD a UFC affiliated contract, he blew it. He was set to make a move to the UFC (Zuffa)from WEC(Zuffa) but blew it by fluffing his last match.


Fedor will fight in the UFC once Lesnar has walked through the UFC HW division.

But i understand what you are saying. The thing is Zuffa made MMA in the USA. I guess they feel some kind of entitlement as they own the biggest MMA promotions in the USA.

The closest one I studied briefly was Jeet Kune Do which is no style. And I am still friends with my entire High school wrestling team.

Jeet Kune Do is decent enough for street fighting but transferring it to MMA is difficult. Whilst MMA is the closest thing you'll ever get to a street fight in the ring, its still a huge step away from actual street fighting.


Watch some more and familiarize yourself with the rules, i was like you at first...but i learned to appreciate MMA. I came from a "Kumite" background, then progressed to Pro Kickboxing which in turn led me to ground fighting. MMA seemed very brutal at first glance but i started to understand it better and now i love it more than Boxing.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I like how MMA is getting around to be accepted by the mainstream sports community and media as a real combative sport, and not just some glorified toughman competition or unscripted "backyard-style" pro wrestling.

If I have one concern with the way MMA is developing these days, it's how promotions have positioned themselves as de facto fight sanctioning and belt-awarding bodies. It looks great now with the UFC having massive crossover appeal, but I think it hurts the fighters and the health of the sport in the long run. Imagine if in boxing, Golden Boy Promotions had its own set of belts that only fighters signed to Golden Boy are eligible to fight for. Now extend that further and imagine if Top Rank Promotions had its own set of titles and belts that only Top Rank-signed fighters could get. The titles and belts would have little meaning in terms of true, across-the-board competition between the sport's top talents. That's effectively what's happening now in MMA, with consensus top fighters like Fedor Emelianenko, Paulo Filho, and others not getting a crack at fighting other top fighters just because they happen to be signed with non-UFC affiliated promotions.

Dana White isn't above signing a fighter to a short fight contract (1-3 fights if they are caliber fighters in their weight class). This is what he did, or was going to do with Mirko Filipović, who fights for Dream MMA.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Spike network shows tons of UFC fights for free. Some are PPV quality events, some are just matches from different progamming/PPV.

The Ultimate Fighter tv show is what got me back into MMA as a fan. Its a reality show where the ultimate winner fights for and wins a contract with UFC.

Next season (debuts on Sept 16th) will be all heavyweights and will include Kimbo Slice who I hope is beat to death in the process.

[Tall Creeper]

Spike network shows tons of UFC fights for free. Some are PPV quality events, some are just matches from different progamming/PPV.

The Ultimate Fighter tv show is what got me back into MMA as a fan. Its a reality show where the ultimate winner fights for and wins a contract with UFC.

Next season (debuts on Sept 16th) will be all heavyweights and will include Kimbo Slice who I hope is beat to death in the process.

I to hope that Kimbo gets plumed badly and exposed further for the pretender that he is, as he was already blasted by a former Ultimate fighter from the UFC!

[Toboro]

I've heard, without proof yet that Kimbo is beaten in like his first fight. That would be so sweet, couldn't stand all the Kimbo would beat Fedor threads on Sherdog. As for Crocop, he's not with Dream, that was prematurely announced, he re-signed with UFC and is fighting someone who will likely kill him. Junior Dos Santos, he is the one who took out Werdum so horribly. He is the protege of Nogueira but has the size and hands to be pretty tough in the HW class.

[Big Jim]

MMA to me just seems like two guys on the floor with the guy on top punching the other slow for about 10 min. THen the guy somehow gets up only to get back on the floor like 1 minute later. Are these MMA guys really that good?? From what I see you have to grab,wouldnt say a master of jujitsu or something be able to counter a grab like that? I don't get MMA.

In the beginning the Gracie's did very good in MMA. But now that everyone cross trains you need to be versed in striking grappling and submissions, and if you watch the guys who have singular backgrounds do not do as well as guys who have more training.

[Rougarou]

I've heard, without proof yet that Kimbo is beaten in like his first fight. That would be so sweet, couldn't stand all the Kimbo would beat Fedor threads on Sherdog. As for Crocop, he's not with Dream, that was prematurely announced, he re-signed with UFC and is fighting someone who will likely kill him. Junior Dos Santos, he is the one who took out Werdum so horribly. He is the protege of Nogueira but has the size and hands to be pretty tough in the HW class.

Kimbos first fight he fought a guy who was a chicken and tapped out after the first punch. Second fight he was given a win by Elite EC by ref stoppage because he was about to be taken down and lose the third round, so the ref stopped it because of a bleeding calaflower ear, and then his third fight he got dropped. Someone who is doing good in the HW is that black guy who fought on Elit EC undercard and called Kimbo out after Kimbos second fight because elite ec didnt want him fighting Kimbo. He recently knocked out Andrei Arlovski

[Big Jim]

I think he's talking about Kimbo on season 10 of TUF

[Rougarou]

Ah, that would be totally funny! I was wondering if he was going to have to fight to get into the house like the rest of them?

[Big Jim]

Season 10 from what I've read there are no elimination fights to get into the house. It appears that a few ex-nfl players are in the house as well. On another note I hope BJ knocks the hell out of Florian

[Tall Creeper]

Season 10 from what I've read there are no elimination fights to get into the house. It appears that a few ex-nfl players are in the house as well. On another note I hope BJ knocks the hell out of Florian

I would have to agree with this as I don't like Florian at all! Not that I am a huge Penn fan either!

[Rougarou]

BJ is good but seems to be his own biggest problem. He seems to have trouble getting himself in top shape.

[ryogam]

I hate to be "that guy," but since my least favorite fighter has now been added to the conversation, I feel the need to vent.

So, to begin: I hate Lesner. It may be unfair, but I see him as a gimmick brought in by Dana White to try to cross-promote MMA with professional wrestling fans. He want UFC to make WWE money. And what does he really bring to the table? Sure, he was a great amateur wrestler, but he doesn't win with wrestling techniques. He wins because he has a size and strength advantage, natural or unnatural. He's learning good defense, sure, but technically? He pushes people down, traps them against the fence, and pummels them. Very little skill. If Mir had had forty extra pounds of muscle, he would not lose.

What mostly rubs me the wrong way about Brock, is that while guys like Crocop, Fedor, Rampage and many others with real technical skills were busting their hump practicing fighting 8 hours a day and injuring themselves over in Pride, and early UFC, Brock was playing stunt-man in the WWE and lifting weights everyday. Sure, he got hurt when he screwed up a stunt, but that's it. That's why I fear even Fedor, with his old hand injury, could be in trouble with Brock. Which is sad because Fedor has more skill in one finger than Brock has in his whole body. But I would love to be proven wrong.

I tend to think we need a new weight-class in the UFC. Super-heavy weight. Which is odd, because, in the beginning, there were no weight-classes, and a 180 guy could use BJJ to submit a 240 guy. But, with the evolution of the sport, that just doesn't work anymore.

Kimbo is a complete waste. He's Youtube palooka who fought street fights under the most idiotic rules, where if one fighter fell to the ground, the fight stopped until the fighter got back up. No ground work, no BJJ submissions, no wrestling, no ground and pound. And he lost at least one of those fights. In his first real MMA fight (he had a couple of fights with washed-up fighters), his opponent took the ring at the very last moment, was outweighed by 25 pounds, and still knocked him to the ground with a lucky shot and pounded him unconscious in 15 seconds. He literally put Elite XC out of business. And that was with training by Bas Ruttan. He does not deserve a shot at UFC.

[Big Jim]

There has been talk about splitting the heavyweight division and also adding in a new weight class between middle and light heavy. I hope Kimbo gets knocked all around the house. Yeah the "streetfights" were stupid. In a true streetfight anything goes, it's not about winning it's about being the one able to walk away.

[Toboro]

I hate to be "that guy," but since my least favorite fighter has now been added to the conversation, I feel the need to vent.

So, to begin: I hate Lesner. It may be unfair, but I see him as a gimmick brought in by Dana White to try to cross-promote MMA with professional wrestling fans. He want UFC to make WWE money. And what does he really bring to the table? Sure, he was a great amateur wrestler, but he doesn't win with wrestling techniques. He wins because he has a size and strength advantage, natural or unnatural. He's learning good defense, sure, but technically? He pushes people down, traps them against the fence, and pummels them. Very little skill. If Mir had had forty extra pounds of muscle, he would not lose.

What mostly rubs me the wrong way about Brock, is that while guys like Crocop, Fedor, Rampage and many others with real technical skills were busting their hump practicing fighting 8 hours a day and injuring themselves over in Pride, and early UFC, Brock was playing stunt-man in the WWE and lifting weights everyday. Sure, he got hurt when he screwed up a stunt, but that's it. That's why I fear even Fedor, with his old hand injury, could be in trouble with Brock. Which is sad because Fedor has more skill in one finger than Brock has in his whole body. But I would love to be proven wrong.

I tend to think we need a new weight-class in the UFC. Super-heavy weight. Which is odd, because, in the beginning, there were no weight-classes, and a 180 guy could use BJJ to submit a 240 guy. But, with the evolution of the sport, that just doesn't work anymore.

Kimbo is a complete waste. He's Youtube palooka who fought street fights under the most idiotic rules, where if one fighter fell to the ground, the fight stopped until the fighter got back up. No ground work, no BJJ submissions, no wrestling, no ground and pound. And he lost at least one of those fights. In his first real MMA fight (he had a couple of fights with washed-up fighters), his opponent took the ring at the very last moment, was outweighed by 25 pounds, and still knocked him to the ground with a lucky shot and pounded him unconscious in 15 seconds. He literally put Elite XC out of business. And that was with training by Bas Ruttan. He does not deserve a shot at UFC.

First, I have to say that I meant Kimbo's first fight in the house, supposedly he loses that one which is great for the sport as a whole. Anyone who follows him and think he's a real badass will learn that he is pretty much nothing. But he will at least get them into watching more.
If you want to talk about Brock I have to say your comment about no skill is pretty much bullshit. Of course he was brought in to make money from fans of fake wrestling. But he has a ton of skill, he trains like a monster, he's a great amateur wrestler who has completely controlled Heath, Randy and Mir.
If you want to hate him for working in the WWE then you are pretty much just a jealous hater. Even Crocop has done pro wrestling, so has Barnett and Sakuraba. The guy got out of College and wanted to make money, at the time there was no money in MMA. He was obviously pretty smart since he made money there, then came into MMA like he wanted to and has breezed through the top of the UFC's HW's. Sure he's used the fame he got there to make more money as a fighter but shit, wouldn't you?
Sure the muscle helps but if you think that is all it takes you are a fool. He uses his wrestling to maintain control, if strength was all it took Bob Sapp would be world champ... or Butterbean.... or Zulu....or Hong Man Choi. His biggest asset is actually his speed, he moves like a middle weight. Does he go for armbars, kimuras and gogo's? No, he'd be stupid to against the level of competition he is facing.
He was thrown in the deep end, unlike Fedor.... He isn't getting any Zulu's or Lindlands. Don't get me wrong, I love fedor, but he isn't a god. AA made him look very human last fight, he was beating him pretty good until he pulled that telegraphed flying knee, poor AA and his brittle chin. Machida could most likely beat him, he takes hardly any punishment and is much smarter than AA. Him and Fedor aren't much different in weight either. Barnett might even beat him but I doubt it. He says he isn't afraid of him but he buys all the hype, if he thinks he is stepping in with a god then he will beat himself.
Fedor may never come to the UFC, his management is ridiculous in their demands that they get co-promotion of the event and that the UFC hire many of his Red Devil teammates. Dana doesn't like the sambo clause either but really it's that they want to use the UFC to promote their own ORG that is blocking things. Who else from Red Devil would do well in the UFC, baby fedor tested positive for roids, Alex who doesn't fight for red devil anymore would be the only good one and he has HEP and can't fight in the US anymore.
Fedor is great, but he will be forgotten to time, mainly because of his lack of drive in cementing his legacy. I loved Pride but it's in the past and the best heavies not named Fedor are in the UFC, once Overeem's contract is up he will be there too. AA, Tim Sylvia and Barnett aren't there because noone really cares about them, AA got destroyed by Brett Rogers and Fedor, Tim by Ray mercer, and Barnett did his Roids and burnt his bridge.
Look, whether Brock is the future or not is yet to be determined. People like him definitely are, the days of a fast HW at the low end of the class with really good skill facing a big guy with none are over. Those big guys started to learn how to fight and are taking back their weight class. You have a point about adding a super hw class but it won't happen for awhile. There isn't enough talent yet for one weight class yet alone two.
Really what they need is a Super Middleweight class from 200-215 and the light heavyweight class to move from 215-230. Then the HW class could be 230-265. This makes more sense as there are a ton of MW,LHW, and low end HW that could change classes and have better matchups.

[Elite Force Cobra]

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[GrimlocksPS]

Yes Lesnar was a pro wrestler and an NCAA champ but realistically he's been MMA training for 3 years. He uses his size and strength and limited striking skills to get over his opponents.

I will admit he has fast hands for such a novice striker.

Adding to the list of MMA turned pro wrestlers:

Dan Sevren and Ken Shamrock.

[ryogam]

"If you want to hate him for working in the WWE then you are pretty much just a jealous hater. Even Crocop has done pro wrestling, so has Barnett and Sakuraba. The guy got out of College and wanted to make money, at the time there was no money in MMA. He was obviously pretty smart since he made money there, then came into MMA like he wanted to and has breezed through the top of the UFC's HW's. Sure he's used the fame he got there to make more money as a fighter but shit, wouldn't you?"

Yeah, that's a very good point, I never thought about it like that.

"Sure the muscle helps but if you think that is all it takes you are a fool. He uses his wrestling to maintain control, if strength was all it took Bob Sapp would be world champ... or Butterbean.... or Zulu....or Hong Man Choi. His biggest asset is actually his speed, he moves like a middle weight. Does he go for armbars, kimuras and gogo's? No, he'd be stupid to against the level of competition he is facing."

I wouldn't point most of those guys strength to strength against Brock. Sapp, maybe. But Brock has got to be one of the strongest, if not the strongest, MMA fighter I've ever seen. And his conditioning is amazing. He doesn't seem to ever get tired like those other guys during a match. Of course, his matches haven't been that long, but still.

As for Fedor, he's got a 30-1 record. I think he will be remembered, even if he never steps into the ring with Brock. I agree, Fedor has had it easy the last couple of years, and I do wonder if the drive to succeed is still there. God knows, Brock has it. I wish Dana would bend in terms for Fedor, if only to see how he fairs against Brock.

[ryogam]

One last thing, can you imagine Brock with a 30-1 record? I know I can.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Dana White says Fedor Emelianenko will fight in the UFC, Brock Lesnar fight imminent...

Prior to this past Saturday's UFC 100 event, an underground movement took root and called for mixed-martial-arts fan who would attend the show to begin "Fedor!" chants throughout the night.

The thought, of course, was to make UFC executives well aware of the fans' desire to have Fedor Emelianenko, the world's top-ranked heavyweight and arguably the greatest MMA fighter in the division's history, fighting in the octagon.

The chants were never heard, but after UFC 100, UFC President Dana White said he wants Emelianenko in the UFC, that it's eventually going to happen, and that a fight with Brock Lesnar is imminent.

Lesnar, the former World Wrestling Entertainment superstar and NCAA Division I national wrestling champion, picked up his third consecutive UFC victory and first-ever title defense with a dominant second-round TKO of interim title-holder Frank Mir in UFC 100's main event.

With Lesnar's current streak of wins over Heath Herring, then-champ Randy Couture and now Mir, many are looking to possible future opponents for the seemingly invincible ground-and-pound machine.

Emelianenko, the former longtime PRIDE heavyweight champion, is the man many see as most likely to topple Lesnar. At 30-1, with back-to-back Affliction wins over two former UFC champions (Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski) and a 26-0 record (with one no-contest) over the past nine years, many fans are clamoring for the Russian fighter to take on the top talent in the world's premier fight organization.

"This Fedor thing has gone on and on and on," White said in the post-UFC 100 press conference. "Eventually, Fedor's going to be here. I want Fedor. I want him to come to the UFC and everything else.

"This guy (Brock Lesnar) just won the heavyweight title, and we'll end up getting that deal done. And then we'll do Brock vs. Fedor, and it'll be a huge fight."

How soon could we such the fight?

"Who knows," White said. "He's obviously contractually obligated to fight (with Affliction). Once that's over, we'll figure it out."

UFC officials have met with Emelianenko and his representatives multiple times. However, the meetings proved far from productive and often left each side blaming the other for the inability to get a deal done. The UFC said Emelianenko's demands were too outrageous, not necessarily from a monetary standpoint (though Emelianenko is believed to make at least $2 million per fight) but because a deal would essentially require the organization to enter the Russian market as business partners with Emelianenko's manager, Vadim Finkelchtein. Emelianenko's people say the UFC's contract demands are too restrictive without any allowances, for example, for Sambo competitions and would dictate all aspects of the fighter's career.

Concessions will be need to be made, and that's often led White to predict a slim chance of a deal coming to fruition. In fact, White has often criticized the fighter, going so far as saying Emelianenko "sucks" while mocking past recent opponents such as kickboxer Hong Man Choi and Matt Lindland, who normally fights at middleweight.

However, White's tune has changed, and on Saturday, he spoke rather definitely about the fighter's future in the UFC.

Of course, that future could hinge on Emelianenko's upcoming Aug. 1 fight at "Affliction" Trilogy." There, Emelianenko meets another former UFC champ, Josh Barnett, who many rank among the division's top three or four.

However, don't expect Barnett to get the same invitation to the UFC is he knocks off Emelianenko.

Why?

"No one's beating down my door to get Barnett," White said.

[GrimlocksPS]

Theres a little interview with Lorenzo Fertitta on Sherdog.

"There’s an online petition called FedorChant.com, where a thousand people are going to cheer “Fedor” (Emelianenko) during the main event (at UFC 100). Is that going to put more pressure on you, and just the fact that Fedor doesn’t want to sign because of sambo, was that something that you’d ever overlook?"

Fertitta: I hope all 12,000 people yell Fedor’s name at the same time. The pressure’s not on me. The pressure’s on him. They already know. The facts are the facts. We made him the best offer out there, more money than anybody offered him –- so you can’t say it’s about the money. Then they come back and they say, “Well, it’s a one-sided contract.” Let’s break this down from a logical standpoint. We offered the exact same contract that three hundred other guys have signed, including Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Anderson Silva, GSP, all the top stars. Why is that contract not good enough for Fedor? What Fedor wants is this. He doesn’t want to be exclusive. So, it’s like saying, okay, Tom Brady: “I’m going to play for New England Patriots one Sunday, but you know what? After that game’s over, I want to be a free agent and go see where I can play for the rest of the season.” Every weekend he’s going to skip around and play for whoever he wants. How does that make sense for us as a business or for the fans? He needs to come into our fold if he wants to cement his legacy as the best fighter in the world. We can figure something out with the sambo thing… (but) at the end of the day, I think we need to have a situation where at least 90 or 120 days before he’s signed a contract to fight, he shouldn’t be out there competing in events like that because I don’t want to take the chance of him getting hurt. But all of this stuff with Fedor: we want Fedor. As soon as he gets done with this show that he’s doing, he can come –- we’ve never met Fedor. I want to sit down. I want to talk to him and that’s part of the problem. We’ve never even met the guy. But it is a shame that he has not come forward to challenge the best guys in the world and I hope he comes. We want him.

"Is the sambo really a sticking point?"

Fertitta: That’s a big excuse for Fedor to say he’s not coming to the UFC, and quite honestly, I don’t think it’s Fedor. I think Fedor wants to compete. The issue has been his management. They’ve completely kept him aside. I’m not sure he even knows what we offered him, to be honest with you. I think if he knew what we offered, he would have been here a long time ago. There’s been a little bit of disconnect there… we want to meet him in person. We will not sit down and negotiate until me and Dana meet him in person. And if at that time he decides to not be a part of what we’re doing, then we know.

"Why did you do a one-fight deal with (Mirko) "Cro Cop" (Filipovic) and not Fedor?"

Fertitta: We have a direct relationship with Cro Cop and we talk to him on the phone and the deal went down so quickly. It wasn’t a one-fight deal. The contract was a quick one-fight contract, but he gave us his word that it was going to be a four-fight deal. I just got back from Croatia last week, spent some time with Mirko, went to his house. (He’s a) super nice guy, we went to lunch, and the fact of the matter is yesterday I got a contract signed for three fights.