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Fury
07-01-2009, 04:52 PM
Does anyone ever heed the advice of a lot of these hacks?

Sometimes their ratings are purely Hollywood politics and oft times it's biased because of whomever owns the publication they happen to work for.

Some of these "critics" are either blind or stupid and seem to forget that movies are escapism entertainment.

Headman
07-01-2009, 04:57 PM
I don't need movie critics. I just assume all movies are going to suck.

facehammer
07-01-2009, 05:07 PM
I don't need movie critics. I just assume all movies are going to suck.

Honestly, that is probably the best way to go into a movie. That way you can be pleasantly surprised. If you keep your standards too high, you'll never like anything.

Zefram
07-01-2009, 05:14 PM
Does anyone ever heed the advice of a lot of these hacks?

Sometimes their ratings are purely Hollywood politics and oft times it's biased because of whomever owns the publication they happen to work for.

Some of these "critics" are either blind or stupid and seem to forget that movies are escapism entertainment.

Oooooooo... methinks somebody saw a bad review of a movie he liked. :)

The secret of seeking reviews for a movie is to be able to tell the difference between people who genuinely know things about what make a good story and are savvy to the trite cliches and how to avoid them, and the ones who are just "quote whores" who give insincere glowing reviews just so their names will appear in ad campaigns.

I highly recomend hollywoodbitchslap.com for some very honest reviews.

gunslingercbr
07-01-2009, 05:22 PM
Some of these "critics" are either blind or stupid and seem to forget that movies are escapism entertainment.
just because a movie is escapist entertainment doesn't mean it can't be critiqued, and critiqued negatively.

perhaps you shouldn't take someone else's opinion so personally.

Fury
07-01-2009, 05:27 PM
just because a movie is escapist entertainment doesn't mean it can't be critiqued, and critiqued negatively.

perhaps you shouldn't take someone else's opinion so personally.


ummm....I don't think I said anything about that. Most critics thing every movie has to make sense at every turn to be any good and thats just not so, however MANY of their critiques are politically based and drive people away from an otherwise decent movie.

that was the point I was making... learn to read before junping the gun.

The BLAY
07-01-2009, 05:27 PM
I make up my own mind on movies.
I dont listen to the critics because they dont know what my personal tastes are.

If you wanna see a movie then see it. if it sucks.. it sucks
if its awesome then great!
Make up your own mind though, dont be spoon fed an opinion and let that be the end of it. Check it out for yourself, you may be surprised.

Thats how I go into movies I have an interest in seeing.

Headman
07-01-2009, 05:32 PM
ummm....I don't think I said anything about that. Most critics thing every movie has to make sense at every turn to be any good and thats just not so, however MANY of their critiques are politically based and drive people away from an otherwise decent movie.

that was the point I was making... learn to read before junping the gun.

I like movies that make sense. I never wanna see another crap fest like Donnie Darko or Southland Tales again.

Zefram
07-01-2009, 05:35 PM
I make up my own mind on movies.
I dont listen to the critics because they dont know what my personal tastes are.

If you wanna see a movie then see it. if it sucks.. it sucks
if its awesome then great!
Make up your own mind though, dont be spoon fed an opinion and let that be the end of it. Check it out for yourself, you may be surprised.

Thats how I go into movies I have an interest in seeing.

That's nice... if you're single, have disposable income, and time on your hands.
For those of us that live in the real world, spending $9 a ticket plus snacks/drinks (and if you or your girl has kids YOU WILL) can add up quickly. VERY quickly. Some people might want to know if a movie isn't going to openly insult their intelligence before dropping $50+ on it.
http://www.shaunoakes.com/wp-content/uploads//2009/02/freddie-mercury.jpg

bigdaddyblue73
07-01-2009, 05:44 PM
I try to see all the movies the critics give really bad reviews. Usually i like the movie a lot! lol

gunslingercbr
07-01-2009, 05:48 PM
ummm....I don't think I said anything about that. Most critics thing every movie has to make sense at every turn to be any good and thats just not so, however MANY of their critiques are politically based and drive people away from an otherwise decent movie.

that was the point I was making... learn to read before junping the gun.

I can read, can you follow your own position? clearly your point was that because they are escapist entertainment than they don't warrant being critiqued (even if just some of them). I addressed that.

and it is evident by calling them blind or stupid you are being emotional about the situation, not reasonable, and being emotional is a clear indicator of taking something personally.

perhaps you should learn to read your own words that you write, or if you mispoke learn how to write to communicate your thoughts more accurately.

any movie that has a plot, follows the typical 3 or 4 act structure, containing a beginning, middle and end/climax is clearly attempting to tell a story in a traditional format that caters to an audience's expectations of what a story should contain, so those movies are open to be critiqued on how well they execute those elements.

the next time there is a movie where the characters are placed in a scenario where something is at stake, the stakes raise throughout, and the characters overcome some hurdle to accomplish that -- in other words, just randomly wonder around for two hours, aim for nothing and accomplish nothing or something random that comes out of the blue -- then you'll have a point. until then, there's nothing outlandish about criticizing even the most ridiculous movie for being executed poorly, even if you weren't concerned with those elements yourself.

The BLAY
07-01-2009, 05:49 PM
That's nice... if you're single, have disposable income, and time on your hands.
For those of us that live in the real world, spending $9 a ticket plus snacks/drinks (and if you or your girl has kids YOU WILL) can add up quickly. VERY quickly. Some people might want to know if a movie isn't going to openly insult their intelligence before dropping $50+ on it.
http://www.shaunoakes.com/wp-content/uploads//2009/02/freddie-mercury.jpg

Its true that I only have to worry about myself and my g/f
and you're right, movies are expensive so that's why I dont see everything that comes out even if I want to. I can wait for it to come out on DVD.
All Im saying is you can't take everything at face value, such as a critics review of a movie. In the end its all personal preference.
But for those of us that don't have families, I think it's a little unfair to say that we dont live in the real world. We all obligations as well. It may not be another mouth to feed and a body to clothe, but we all have to afford to live.

bigdaddyblue73
07-01-2009, 05:49 PM
If you laugh, have fun and don't lament spending the 9 bucks for the ticket is was a decent movie.

The BLAY
07-01-2009, 05:51 PM
If you laugh, have fun and don't lament spending the 9 bucks for the ticket is was a decent movie.

true enough BDB! true enough!

Zefram
07-01-2009, 05:54 PM
Headman also made a good point. A lot of people love Donnie Darko, but I hear it's heady as shit, so it may not be everyone's cup of tea. A well-written review can give you an idea of what to expect, especially when an ad campaign is being dishonest.

Comments about, "making up ones own mind" assumes that the viewer has the information up front to make a sound decision with his dollar, something the marketing people don't want. They specifically market their product to appeal to the mass-market, even if it's more for the indy crowd.

MTN
07-01-2009, 07:05 PM
I love Donnie Darko. I like all kinds of movies. I have an incredibly open mind when it comes to movies. I'll watch most movies and like them or something about them.

GI abe444
07-01-2009, 07:13 PM
I Dont care what the critics have to say . I see the movie for my self .

CaptainTripps
07-01-2009, 07:16 PM
There's definitely a place in the world for bad movies. Last year I made it a point to see The Happening after hearing how horrible it was and oh how bad it was. So bad that I could laugh at it. One thing to bear in mind though is that bad movies make the others look even better.

sonofdestro
07-01-2009, 07:18 PM
I find that most of the critics are way to critical. Why do they have to be so critical, they act like it is their freaking job or something.

gunslingercbr
07-01-2009, 07:27 PM
I find that most of the critics are way to critical. Why do they have to be so critical, they act like it is their freaking job or something.

haha, strange, I know.

if it's a movie I want to see, like Transformers, I don't care one bit about a review. if it's a movie I am on the fence about, reviews are useful because they identify the elements of the movie that would determine whether I may like it or not and help make the decision. a glowing review for a movie I have no interest in seeing can't create interest for me.

having angst against the concept of reviewing a movie is just ridiculous. saying someone is wrong for preferring certain elements in a movie is as asinine as saying someone is right for not. it's the same thing just on the opposite side. so any criticism of film reviewers is equally a criticism of yourself.

CobraRebellion
07-01-2009, 07:28 PM
I never listen to them. I wish they would shut up and find a real job. The only time I have ever regretted not listening to them was in Terminator Salvation.

Jmacq1
07-01-2009, 07:33 PM
It's funny, they just had a pretty extensive article in my local paper today (The Washington Post) about how negative reviews from critics don't really seem to affect box-office take. Particularly where "summer blockbusters" are concerned.

Steelgrave
07-01-2009, 07:45 PM
Millions of people are getting laid off & losing their jobs around the country. But these totally useless bastards manage to keep their jobs & collect a paycheck for watching movies. I wanna get paid for watching movies!

Fury
07-01-2009, 07:45 PM
I can read, can you follow your own position? clearly your point was that because they are escapist entertainment than they don't warrant being critiqued (even if just some of them). I addressed that.

and it is evident by calling them blind or stupid you are being emotional about the situation, not reasonable, and being emotional is a clear indicator of taking something personally.

perhaps you should learn to read your own words that you write, or if you mispoke learn how to write to communicate your thoughts more accurately.

any movie that has a plot, follows the typical 3 or 4 act structure, containing a beginning, middle and end/climax is clearly attempting to tell a story in a traditional format that caters to an audience's expectations of what a story should contain, so those movies are open to be critiqued on how well they execute those elements.

the next time there is a movie where the characters are placed in a scenario where something is at stake, the stakes raise throughout, and the characters overcome some hurdle to accomplish that -- in other words, just randomly wonder around for two hours, aim for nothing and accomplish nothing or something random that comes out of the blue -- then you'll have a point. until then, there's nothing outlandish about criticizing even the most ridiculous movie for being executed poorly, even if you weren't concerned with those elements yourself.


If you can read then your comprehension level is below sea level. The gist of my post was lambasting the critics for using their columns for Hollywood political reasons and lambasting rivals that have stakes in movie production houses.... the other half clearly stated that some of those critics also forget that some movies arent supposed to be serious, artsy pieces but mindless fun.

If you cannot understand that then I can always break out the chalk board.

LaDracul
07-01-2009, 10:20 PM
In some cases, I agree. In others, NO. There's a complete douche named Dan Gire who is the reviewer for the local one. But I have a feeling he's only this way because he can't get to create. (Hey, like "The Critic"!)

EDIT-Oh, Mr. Gire reached a new level of douchiness today. He had an ENTIRE ARTICLE about how Paramount was asking why he gave them a bad review. Okay, I didn't like the movie either, but for him to miss the point of some movies (Not TF2, because that had a lot of flaws) as escapist entertainment and call them "The Porn Defense" PROVES he's an uncreative jerk.