Count the Ground Blast Heavy Duty's

[Roshan]

It's funny considering the answer to that would have have been like four this time last month, but now that there are only four left on ebay and the supply out of China has been shut off by the source for the moment, I'm trying to get a gauge on how big a mini flood we actually got on this figure. As far as a factory produced piece goes, it's still in the mega rare category despite it's quick burst on the market.


I picked up 16 of him but had to sell 8 of them to cover the shipping for these beasts (ok fine, to cover the shipping + the cost of the other 8) Yes free GBHD's are nice.

so +16 to start it off.

[RuckusJr]

I have 2 coming from China.

[dominic.18]

I'm still looking for one. Im just not ready to spend $40 or more for him.

[Roshan]

Too late now, the flood is over, and these will be back on the climb again if the original supplier is telling the truth about being out of stock. I've been looking for more on taobao all week and they're just not out there anymore.

[GrimlocksPS]

I think the vast majority that want these enough got them last week. I hate to say it but i can see you being stuck with these for a little while.

The only people who want them and don't have them are the people like em who are not willing to pay much more than retail.

[Roshan]

I aint stuck with anything, I wanted to keep ten but shipping costs forced me to sell off all but 8. I'm going to open then up and use them as generic troops. Army build the rarest S6! (well at least the rarest one that went into production.)

Tried to do that once with Gold Head Steel Brigade once, but damn that's expensive.

[GrimlocksPS]

I hope you sell them...also i wish i could find the this thread is worthless without pics smiley...

[Roshan]

No, seriously, I'm army building these, I'm not being sarcastic. After selling the first 8, these cost me nothing. If the source starts reselling, my buyer is instructed to buy 10 more for me.



Oh, and to not make this thread worthless anymore:

Here's my shipment of crack from china, I mean, Ground Blast Heavy Duty's :D
The way my buyer packages these things they are absolutely bomb proof and they look like bricks of drugs like you see on tv :P
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/phillinley/summerandebay784Large.jpg

And here's a loose image of the bad boy holding his massive missile chucker.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/phillinley/summerandebay786Large.jpg

[green firefly]

Got mine today! Took only a week to ship from Hong Kong and was nicely bubble-wrapped. I got him with a nice 2nd chance Ebay offer. Let's just say I paid less than any of the final Ebay prices.

I never thought I would have this figure. I used to think the same thing about silver-caped CC too though. I have no idea how many of these are out there. Maybe we'll see'em in Big Lots someday.

But anyway, I now only need 4 more figures to complete my collection - not including some of the variations.

[green firefly]

The only people who want them and don't have them are the people like em who are not willing to pay much more than retail.

I would agree with that. Almost everyone who really wanted one of these already has one now.

[green firefly]

After selling the first 8,

Where did you sell these?

[Roshan]

ebay. Sold them all to the same guy too. Don't know why he needed as many as me. Figured he saw them as an investment.

[hktoyking]

A way to get refund if you feel overpaid for your GBHD:

1. settled the payment
2. after receipt of your GBHD, opened a dispute against the
transaction indicating that the merchandise didn't arrive
3. if the seller can prove that you've received your GBHD properly, then ask for refund because of damaged goods

[General Hawk]

I've got 1 of my own, and I know about 5 folks over at Sigma 6 Central who have them now, too...

Justin

[Roshan]

A way to get refund if you feel overpaid for your GBHD:

1. settled the payment
2. after receipt of your GBHD, opened a dispute against the
transaction indicating that the merchandise didn't arrive
3. if the seller can prove that you've received your GBHD properly, then ask for refund because of damaged goods

Who are you talking to? None of use were discussing returning the gbhd. Sounds like a bunch of jerkoff moves to use either way. Lie about not getting it? Then lie again saying it was broken if that doesn't work? Hopefully, the two people you sold GBHD to you for $200+ do the same to you, since these are the types of business practices you like to use. Making sure to steer far clear of your auctions on ebay.

[hktoyking]

Yes, that's what the buyer is doing now!

Remember the guy who paid usd326 for a GBHD? He bought another one at usd150 from the same seller (my friend). Payment was settled 2 weeks after the auction ended and the parcel was shipped on 19/5.

Recently (3/6), he opened a dispute against this transaction indicating that the merchandise didn't arrive. After checking with the post office, the parcel was in fact received on 28/5. Guess what he replied then?


'What did I do? I have not received any confirmation number from you. I asked you a simple question and I have not yet received the answer. Had you sent me the information in the first place I never would have filed the dispute. I checked with my neighbor today and they in fact signed for the item on my behalf, which I have authorized them to do, but they forgot to bring it to me. But now we have a new problem, it has arrived damaged, so I am refiling my claim. The damage is minor, but it makes the item worth less and I was expecting better given how much I paid. I would like either a partial refund or I can return it to you for a full refund. Since I bought two items, I will not ask for the full amount because the damage could be either one, and only one was damaged. Since I paid a total of $486, I will only want a full refund of $243, or I will also accept a partial refund of $150. I have taken pictures of the item that I can send to you. But the choice is yours.'




Who are you talking to? None of use were discussing returning the gbhd. Sounds like a bunch of jerkoff moves to use either way. Lie about not getting it? Then lie again saying it was broken if that doesn't work? Hopefully, the two people you sold GBHD to you for $200+ do the same to you, since these are the types of business practices you like to use. Making sure to steer far clear of your auctions on ebay.

[hktoyking]

I'm not asking people to use this way, I just want to show how ridiculous the buyer is!

[green firefly]

I'm not asking people to use this way, I just want to show how ridiculous the buyer is!

Sounds like somebody is mad about how much they paid.

[Roshan]

My apologies, the way it was phrased I thought you were suggesting action, not showing what the buyer was doing to you. My mistake.

Talk with ebay dispute resolution. Someone who acts in this manner is suspicious of fraud and if you are proactive and contact ebay and explain your case they might rule in your favor. I'd rather do that and take the negative feedback hit than let them strong arm me like that.

[hktoyking]

Never mind, I just want others to understand what I feel!

I think it is quite obvious a fraud. But, that buyer has over 2,000 positive feedbacks (my friend has only 100), I'm not sure whether ebay will believe.

[Sergeant Slaughter]

Someone hold me one for about $20.

[Dedboy]

Hey, just wanted to let everyone know I finally got a few of these in and will part with my extras to help cover the ridiculous shipping cost that I paid to get them to me. PM me w/reasonable offers and we can work something out! As of right now, I have 2 extras. Thanks!!!

[GrimlocksPS]

No, seriously, I'm army building these, I'm not being sarcastic. After selling the first 8, these cost me nothing. If the source starts reselling, my buyer is instructed to buy 10 more for me.



Oh, and to not make this thread worthless anymore:

Here's my shipment of crack from china, I mean, Ground Blast Heavy Duty's :D
The way my buyer packages these things they are absolutely bomb proof and they look like bricks of drugs like you see on tv :P
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/phillinley/summerandebay784Large.jpg

And here's a loose image of the bad boy holding his massive missile chucker.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/phillinley/summerandebay786Large.jpg

Nice... I've seen others with several of these guys..i just like seeing that many in one go. Its pretty awesome!

[hktoyking]

for your information, that fracker is liquidroc (igold@innocent.com)

Joseph Goldston
105 Galax Lane
Durham, NC 27703
Untied States

[RuckusJr]

for your information, that fracker is liquidroc (igold@innocent.com)

Joseph Goldston
105 Galax Lane
Durham, NC 27703
Untied States

REALLY? I just sold him 2 of them. He hasn't paid yet...Maybe I'll end the transaction.

[QBERT]

Ruckus PM me with a deal if you have one for sale. I could really use one. If anyone has one for a reasonable amount, i'm interested. I have trade stuff as well. Just let me know if you are looking for anything and we can work something out.

btw, I have had liquidroc blocked for some time now. He used to be liquidrc, and I had a problem with him/her so I blocked both.

[RuckusJr]

Thanks for the heads up guys. I blocked him and ended the transaction. Anyone else find it funny his email domain is innocent.com?

[RuckusJr]

He wrote me back saying I'm obligated to sell to him and that he's going to leave me negative feedback. I told him I already cancelled the transaction.

[hktoyking]

Just weird this lier has over 2,000 positive feedback!

[hktoyking]

if you have any dispute with this guy on ebay, it is very likely that ebay will believe in this guy (since he has over 2,000 +ve feedback)

[Dedboy]

Hey, I just sold 2 of these to this guy too! WTF?! He still hasn't paid me either, after sending multiple messages and invoices! What the hell is this guy's deal? Should I just cancel the transaction? I'd kinda like to get paid for these, since he won them through best offers, but it sounds like he's not to be trusted!

[hktoyking]

more and more victims show up! i think we should make complaints together!

[Roshan]

I sold all 8 of my heavy duty's to him. He paid for all of them and the two separate transactions went smoothly. Sorry you guys are having trouble with him. I guess he's trying to buy up all the stock and then resell it for a big profit later, which is smart, but it would have been even smarter to just buy them from china at half the cost in the first place.

[destro226]

all i know is i got mine

[hktoyking]

you are lucky!



I sold all 8 of my heavy duty's to him. He paid for all of them and the two separate transactions went smoothly. Sorry you guys are having trouble with him. I guess he's trying to buy up all the stock and then resell it for a big profit later, which is smart, but it would have been even smarter to just buy them from china at half the cost in the first place.

[RuckusJr]

I told him I didn't want to sell to him because I saw the feedback he's left for others and even when he gives good feedback, he makes jabs at the seller. I told him I didn't want to run into any problems with his lofty expectations. He almost brags about getting money back when he's had problems, and NOBODY just happens to have as many problems with sellers as he does. There's one common denominator, him.

He didn't respond & I took steps to cancel the transaction. He replied saying he'd leave neg. feedback. I told him that it's over and that I've made arrangements to sell it elsewhere, which I had. He BLEW UP demanding an explanation. I told him I didn't need to explain anything and said to do whatever he needs to.

He FINALLY paid wednesday and I refunded him and left a note saying I already sold them and sent them, which I had, and that I told him already once. I told him to give me neg. feedback and get over it. I left feedback, but it's not nice even though it's "positive". I also blocked him.

Look at feedback he's left for others, there are some neutrals for a guy with 100% feedback with over 1000 sales from whom he bought a few items, and when he was blocked by the guy he left crazy feedbacks. He's too much trouble for me to want to deal with.

I pulled a total dick move, I admit it, but what he's done to others is inexcusable and it's high time he got a taste of his own medicine. I decided I needed to show him.

[j_t_d]

Well, it looks like buying up the Ground Blast Heavy Duty's that appeared early on Ebay wasn't such a wise financial move...if financial gain was the goal. The market has now already reached saturation. The time to sell GBHD was early. There just isn't a large enough Sigma 6 collector pool or desire for the figure. Plus the ones not selling on Ebay and those many others still available from seller through Taobao.

Even if liquidroc plans on holding all the GBHD's he bought, I'm predicting he'll never be able to make his money back. So hktoyking, you might get some comfort from that!

[tkprime]

It's just a toy.......we collector's are the problem......this whole vs. demand is because of us......it's just a toy. I have a Ground Blast Heavy Duty (luckily I found it at a kay bee store before the line was over) but the insane markups are our own doing. I say if financial gain is your goal, buy stocks, or bonds, don't take a toy...something meant to be played with and use it as an investment, in the end you just rob some child of a great G.I.Joe memory.......................It's just a toy............say it with me.....

[Roshan]

Well financial gain was not the goal when I originally bought them, but when I got rid of my moc collection and went with loose only, I paid for all of my college a new car and a summer in europe. Don't kid yourself that these arent an investment. I made about 5 times what I paid for them. But like any stock, you have to be a smart investor and wait a long time to see any great profits. Buying GBHD's with the intent to quickly resell is not a sound investment. But if you sit on those things for ten years, I guarantee you'll get a good return on them.

[j_t_d]

I've got to respectfully disagree with the idea that the GBHDs will be worth much more in 10 years (or in the long-term at all). I've a few reasons to support this:

- Sigma 6 didn't generate an intense toy buying fan base. Nor did it's cartoon garner super attention from children. This is a generalization, but I'd say "most" current Gijoe fans didn't see Sigma 6 as being "their Gijoe"...and thus avoided the line.
- It's now well known from those collectors that DO pay attention to Sigma 6, that GBHD is no longer anywhere near as "rare" an item as it was once thought to be. There are plenty of them circulating now. Not only circulating, but selling inexpensively. Saturation's been achieved and then some.
- The character "Heavy Duty" has never been one of the most desirable of 'Joes.
- A large portion of collectors now buy toys to keep them packaged. It's no longer the '80s when toys were ravaged & enjoyed by us kids. See the plight of the SW POTF2 packaged collector, trying to sell those once "rare" items for less than cost now (14 years later).
- This particular buyer liquidroc bought 10+ GBHDs at the ~$60-$100 area. To double his money he has to sell at $120-$200, which is more than half of what the first of the recent onslaught of GBHDs sold for. And that sold, when at most it was though 10 or so existed in the USA.

Anyway, I just don't see the GBHDs raising substantially in value in the longterm for the reasons above. And it looks like liquidroc may see it this way as well...as he's stopped buying them now, when they can be had for $30.

[Roshan]

Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've been doing this for 16 years now and it gets pretty obvious when something's gonna be worth more down the road. This is not POTF2, none of those figures were rare. We are talking about a rare figure here. Name me one POTF2 figure that had only 100+ known to exist and is worth squat. It doesn't exist. This is not a regular run figure, this is still a relatively rare figure. When you drop 100 figures on the market all at once you're going to drop the price substantially. But when there was only about 10 or so known in collections prior to that point, you still only have 110 in collectors hands. That's not a lot. When regular release figures that appeared later in the line can go for 50-60 now just a couple years removed from the line, GBHD will go for more than that.

Now the only reason you can give me on that these will stay low in price is if the original seller in china was lying about being out of stock. If he has a couple hundred more of these and keeps leaking them slowly out on taobao over the years, yes the price will stay the same. But if we're only left with 100 or so of them lying around, it will go up.

Bleh, I'm sure they're other reasons, it's ignorant of me to say there's only one. I just don't much go for the one's you've given, as in the past, those type of arguments failed to live up to reality. For example, just try selling blue Iron Grenadiers or a red eel on ebay now. I was picking them up for eight dollars a piece three years ago. Now you'd probably get 50 plus easy. Got in some fun arguments back then about saying those were a sound investment, and people laughing and saying the price would continue to drop given how many of them were running around. When the supply shuts off, and they disappear from ebay for a while, new collectors will enter the game. One pops up, 10 people shooting for it, the price will go up.

[Rulz]

I told him I didn't want to sell to him because I saw the feedback he's left for others and even when he gives good feedback, he makes jabs at the seller. I told him I didn't want to run into any problems with his lofty expectations. He almost brags about getting money back when he's had problems, and NOBODY just happens to have as many problems with sellers as he does. There's one common denominator, him.

He didn't respond & I took steps to cancel the transaction. He replied saying he'd leave neg. feedback. I told him that it's over and that I've made arrangements to sell it elsewhere, which I had. He BLEW UP demanding an explanation. I told him I didn't need to explain anything and said to do whatever he needs to.

He FINALLY paid wednesday and I refunded him and left a note saying I already sold them and sent them, which I had, and that I told him already once. I told him to give me neg. feedback and get over it. I left feedback, but it's not nice even though it's "positive". I also blocked him.

Look at feedback he's left for others, there are some neutrals for a guy with 100% feedback with over 1000 sales from whom he bought a few items, and when he was blocked by the guy he left crazy feedbacks. He's too much trouble for me to want to deal with.

I pulled a total dick move, I admit it, but what he's done to others is inexcusable and it's high time he got a taste of his own medicine. I decided I needed to show him.

I've seen his feedback for you.. why you're not reply it in those feedback by saying that he delayed payment for some time ?
I also seen his feedback for other seller, and its funny, just thanx to the seller when its all good, but screaming out loud when he feels that he should get a refund.. kinda person that really enjoy pointing his fingers on someone's face to blame..

[Rulz]

Well then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've been doing this for 16 years now and it gets pretty obvious when something's gonna be worth more down the road. This is not POTF2, none of those figures were rare. We are talking about a rare figure here. Name me one POTF2 figure that had only 100+ known to exist and is worth squat. It doesn't exist. This is not a regular run figure, this is still a relatively rare figure. When you drop 100 figures on the market all at once you're going to drop the price substantially. But when there was only about 10 or so known in collections prior to that point, you still only have 110 in collectors hands. That's not a lot. When regular release figures that appeared later in the line can go for 50-60 now just a couple years removed from the line, GBHD will go for more than that.

Now the only reason you can give me on that these will stay low in price is if the original seller in china was lying about being out of stock. If he has a couple hundred more of these and keeps leaking them slowly out on taobao over the years, yes the price will stay the same. But if we're only left with 100 or so of them lying around, it will go up.

Bleh, I'm sure they're other reasons, it's ignorant of me to say there's only one. I just don't much go for the one's you've given, as in the past, those type of arguments failed to live up to reality. For example, just try selling blue Iron Grenadiers or a red eel on ebay now. I was picking them up for eight dollars a piece three years ago. Now you'd probably get 50 plus easy. Got in some fun arguments back then about saying those were a sound investment, and people laughing and saying the price would continue to drop given how many of them were running around. When the supply shuts off, and they disappear from ebay for a while, new collectors will enter the game. One pops up, 10 people shooting for it, the price will go up.

Indeed..

[tkprime]

you want me to name a potf2 figure that is worth something? Weequay with slide! There........but like I said, these are toys (sigma six was just small soldiers the movie with a g.i.joe label on it LOL)!

[Roshan]

you want me to name a potf2 figure that is worth something? Weequay with slide! There........but like I said, these are toys (sigma six was just small soldiers the movie with a g.i.joe label on it LOL)!

No I said "Name me one POTF2 figure that had only 100+ known to exist and is worth squat." not just name me one POTF2 figure worth something. It's only the one's with very little availability that are worth anything.
But anyway, I'm with you on the last part. These are just toys. They aren't anything special unless we perceive them to be. But then again, so are stocks :P

[green firefly]

I don't collect 80's toys (plus S6) to make a profit. But I've been in the stock market for about 5 years. I've seriously collected toys for around 3 years.

Toys are a safer investment.

Toys have just as good of a potential for profit as stocks.

The toy market has less criminal activity than the stock market.

I wish I spent every cent I put in the stock market on toys...and I've made some decent money with stocks.

[Pepsi Jedi]

If anyone out there has one of these, they're willing to part with. Please drop me a PM.

Thanks!

[theohiostateguy]

Man, I wish I had read this thread sooner.

I'm going through a problem with this guy right now.

I sold and sent him a near perfect vintage Starduster figure, and he's saying that it has cracked elbows. I checked, double, and even triple checked this figure, took pictures (saved them) before I sent this figure out.

He emailed after he got it that he could see the cracks in the elbows before he took it out of the bag. I've been collecting GI Joes for over 25 years now. I think I know cracked elbows when I see them.

He's blocked and I'm sure he's going to use Ebay's flawed rating and feedback system on me.

I escalated it to a Paypal claim, to pre-empt any more douche-baggery from him.

[Roshan]

This is why even if I have a perfect conditioned figure, I state that my figures have flaws, check pictures to see for yourself. That way no one comes back on me about conditions of figures. Yeah it might cost some in ebay sales, but i'd really not deal with the hassle of some anal retentive dude throwing a negative feedback on me because of a cracked elbow or a paint scratch.