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Wild_Weasel
05-24-2009, 06:13 PM
I recently finished re reading the original marvel run of the joe series 1-155 and had a blast!! And i self proclaim myself aware of all joe mythology to this date!( plus the devils due run...) So i can easily now sit back in the seat of the theater and criticize this godawful movie thats being shoved down our throats this august.. M y point here is not 2 talk about the upcoming movie, but share some thoughts on the joes final issue of the marvel series that ended in 94.
While it did not finish with a bang( the series was canceled abruptly thus leaving many plot holes and unresolved shenanigans) it did close it in a nice way. The idea of having Wade Collins adopted son write a letter 2 Snake Eyes and talk about honor and glory in a soldiers life and asking him if its worth being a soldier was pure brilliance! And of course nearly after 12 years of complete silence(till 94 that is, dont count his cry 2 scarlet!)) reading - finding out the feelings and opinions of Snake Eyes about war was really worth it, or should i say excellent!! Congratulations should go to Larry Hama who pulled it of once again, gave us a fantastic 12 year run and ended his series in dignity
So green shirts what do have 2 say about the last issue?
Troynos
05-24-2009, 06:15 PM
#155 was the best issue
theohiostateguy
05-24-2009, 06:17 PM
What about the cartoons? You've still got a lot of work to do. lol
Cobra-Love
05-24-2009, 06:19 PM
I haven't read it because it's so expensive. My local comic shop has it for $157! Whatever! Hopefully it will be reprinted in a trade paperback. I did enjoy reading #1-early 100's.
Wild_Weasel
05-24-2009, 06:26 PM
What about the cartoons? You've still got a lot of work to do. lol
come on man, of course...we ve all seen the cartoons:)
dbuchan
05-24-2009, 06:49 PM
I reread them all during the winter. Really enjoyed them. Then i purchased the ddps. I hadnt read a joe comic since the marvel run ended. I did enjoy how ddp carried on the story line with the kid for the first few issues. I have yet to purchase any Idws.
angelofdeath69
05-25-2009, 08:28 PM
That issue is the best of all that run. i read it just when i was already a teen and left my joes on a box, i was a little melancholic after that.
A.V.A.C.
05-25-2009, 08:37 PM
that issue is awesome, i've read them all. unfortunately, that issue and nine others are holes in my collection. i'd like to read it again sometime.
dawingster
05-25-2009, 11:08 PM
The marvel run is my GI Joe canon. Watching the Sunbow cartoons again is very painful... fun but painful. Good for kids.
Of the current IDW GI Joe comics... a must read is "GI Joe - Cobra"... issue #3 is mindblowing... not going to spoil it... it truly is a sleeper hit. People in the forums have been good at keeping the spoiler a secret. You have to get past the loose artwork, but the writing really shines through.
Headman
05-25-2009, 11:14 PM
The marvel run is my GI Joe canon. Watching the Sunbow cartoons again is very painful... fun but painful. Good for kids.
Of the current IDW GI Joe comics... a must read is "GI Joe - Cobra"... issue #3 is mindblowing... not going to spoil it... it truly is a sleeper hit. People in the forums have been good at keeping the spoiler a secret. You have to get past the loose artwork, but the writing really shines through.
Sunbow / Dic is my canon.
GI abe444
05-25-2009, 11:19 PM
I remember reading it for the first time it was realy sad to see the comic end after all those years of reading it and looking forward to all the new issues every month . Great Comic no matter how its worth !
Zarana
05-25-2009, 11:23 PM
I appriciate 155 a lot more at 30 than i did at 15. when it first came out I wanted the big battle that was the DDP finale, but rereading the marvel run, it ended better.
Joecom
05-25-2009, 11:31 PM
I got lucky a while ago some seller on ebay was selling issues
150-155 buy it now for $5 each they are all NR mint I bought them all in a hearth beat this was about 1 year ago that was my best comic book deal of all time
Xerofall
05-26-2009, 01:53 AM
I haven't read it because it's so expensive. My local comic shop has it for $157! Whatever! Hopefully it will be reprinted in a trade paperback. I did enjoy reading #1-early 100's.
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tigerforce-88
05-26-2009, 07:48 PM
great issue love the cover
cmderinchief
05-26-2009, 08:39 PM
Not the best, but far from the worst.
Jinx723
05-26-2009, 09:49 PM
I can't wait for IDW to print the whole Marvel run. I actually have 1-144 so I am missing the last eleven issues due to being in the military but I'll get these eventually.
dawingster
05-26-2009, 10:27 PM
Sunbow / Dic is my canon.
Okay... I can understand the Sunbow series being someone's canon, but the DIC series? C'mon? Really?
Someone just posted a clip from the DIC series where the Joes where playing football with Cobra? Say what?
nickvree
05-26-2009, 10:38 PM
I LOVED this issue. I actually only read it about 7 years ago from a scan on the internet (some Cobra site had issues 100-155 online). I was definitely moved by it.
I also like how DDP made the kid Kamakura too
Ripcord
05-26-2009, 10:42 PM
I have most of the Marvel run, and DDP run. I am currently reading the IDW GI Joe comics. 3 different title, GI JOE, GI JOE Origions, and GI JOE Cobra. all 3 are good reads and only about 5 issues out for each. pick them up if you can. IDW is also putting out the Marvel run in TPB form. I have the first 3 of that too, it is issues 1-10, 11-20, and 21-30. Love the Sunbow cartoon, DIC cartoon I could have done without.
artiepants
05-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Great issue and an apt finale.
one of many, many examples of depth that has never really been found in Joe outside the Hama-verse
Now, were you enjoying it when Megatron showed up? Cause that was a HARD pill to swallow...
Robowang
05-28-2009, 11:19 AM
Okay... I can understand the Sunbow series being someone's canon, but the DIC series? C'mon? Really?
Someone just posted a clip from the DIC series where the Joes where playing football with Cobra? Say what?
They're in continuity with each other as much as Image/Devil's Due is in continuity with Marvel comics. Continued storyline with a decidely different flavor to much of it. Just because that flavor tends to be "goofy" doesn't mean it doesn't count :)
Tammman
05-28-2009, 11:25 AM
I'm definitely of the marvel comic discipline but I think I stopped reading at about issue #60... I would love to back track and read the entire Marvel run. It was definitely my favorite. But I will not pass judgment on the upcoming movie until I have seen it...
USAgent
05-28-2009, 11:49 AM
I vaguely remember seeing it at the comic shop, but i didn't buy it. I was just happy to see the series finally ending. Sorry, but the last few years were pretty terrible to Joe (Space Brigade and all the ninja stuff was a little out of my comfort zone) I always thought it was Hasbro causing the rubbish stories because of the toy tie-in required, but the new Hama stuff is just as bad as the last of the original run, so maybe it was just a matter of running out of good ideas. The final issue there sounds like it was a nice ending, but probably should have come a lot sooner.
oliverbox
05-28-2009, 12:10 PM
Considering the abrupt way Marvel made Larry Hama finish the series, it was the best thing that could have been done. It was also good to hear Mr. Hama's views on the subject. Larry always seemed to approach Joe from the enlisted soldier's point of view. That's not necessarily bad, but it has it's own set of problems, blessings, and limitations. The Marvel series is far from perfect, but I'll always love it because I grew up with it.
His characterizations of some of the main characters from the cartoon is terrible: Duke and Flint are both really terrible in the Marvel Run. While other, minor characters, got better treatment and were better developed. Snake-Eyes got a little out of control.
It was a great series, but not without it's own share of problems. The movie will undoubtedly have problems, but I imagine we'll all see some things we like, too. All in all, it's going to be hard to compare the Marvel comic with the movie. Not just because it's a different time and different writers, but because we're not children anymore. If I were reading the Marvel run for the first time today, I would think: "That's not how the Army works." and I would be right.
The Marvel run was good, it was a huge part of my childhood, but it wasn't perfect. And it wouldn't be perfect by my standards today... so maybe I'll cut the movie a little slack.
COL Abernathy
05-28-2009, 12:18 PM
The marvel run is my GI Joe canon. Watching the Sunbow cartoons again is very painful... fun but painful. Good for kids.
Of the current IDW GI Joe comics... a must read is "GI Joe - Cobra"... issue #3 is mindblowing... not going to spoil it... it truly is a sleeper hit. People in the forums have been good at keeping the spoiler a secret. You have to get past the loose artwork, but the writing really shines through.
Why does everybody hate on the artwork? It's highly stylized, gritty, and fitting to the story. I love it. I think everyone our age still thinks of the flashy Image art of the early 90's. Yeah, the current era has it's flashy, clean art styles (Love steve mcniven!) but I think the GI JOE - COBRA Antonio Fuso artwork is better suited for a Joe story than Robert Atkins over in the main title, IMO.
dtm1971
05-28-2009, 12:32 PM
I started with issue number 18. my aunt baught it fo me and some other comics. when I was in the hospital. I read it and loved it. started there and back then it was a pain in the butt to find back issues. but I got them all,all the special missions, also the snake eyes issue that Todd Mcfarline I guess made. but I have them all still in my comic box and all baged up.
Tammman
05-28-2009, 12:40 PM
I started with issue number 18. my aunt baught it fo me and some other comics. when I was in the hospital. I read it and loved it. started there and back then it was a pain in the butt to find back issues. but I got them all,all the special missions, also the snake eyes issue that Todd Mcfarline I guess made. but I have them all still in my comic box and all baged up.
I remember my first GI Joe Marvel comic was #16. After that, I remember always enjoying going to the base bookstore to get me the next issues..
manic mailman
05-28-2009, 01:33 PM
I think the GI JOE - COBRA Antonio Fuso artwork is better suited for a Joe story than Robert Atkins over in the main title, IMO.
Fuso's artwork is frickin awesome. it's got this badass noir quality too it--really makes the new main joe book look ridiculously cartoony.
G.I.Eddie
05-28-2009, 03:28 PM
well, i was never into reading for fun when i was a kid, but now i enjoy it...so i have been picking up the recently released classic trades and am working my way too 155...i'm only on 18 :D
chuck x goren
05-29-2009, 01:03 PM
I recently finished re reading the original marvel run of the joe series 1-155 and had a blast!!
I'm glad to hear this. Everyone should go back and read them all, in order (plus "Special Missions"). You pick up so much stuff you never noticed before. Check out the banner link in my sig to see my thoughts on the entire series. Complaints/opinions/rants are always welcome :)
Anyways, here's a question that's worth discussing: in your mind, what happened that made the team abruptly shut down? Obviously, in terms of the storyline and nothing to do with Hasbro stopping the toy line.
I always speculated that the Jugglers finally got to the Joes (in some way) and got them shut down. Cobra had re-located to Europe and Cobra Island was basically abandoned. When invading Borovia, Cobra made sure not to kill any civilians. You could see how some politicians (or "the suits and hairuts" as Hama put it) could claim that the team was obsolete and worthless.
cappeca
05-31-2009, 12:26 AM
I'm glad to hear this. Everyone should go back and read them all, in order (plus "Special Missions").
Still at #102
Check out the banner link in my sig to see my thoughts on the entire series. Complaints/opinions/rants are always welcome :)
Loved the notes, you really pick up some nice details. Other than that, I think you're sometimes unfair with Special Missions. Issue #22 for instance deserves more than 2 flag points, even if we never know who the terrorists work for.
Anyways, here's a question that's worth discussing: in your mind, what happened that made the team abruptly shut down? Obviously, in terms of the storyline and nothing to do with Hasbro stopping the toy line.
I always speculated that the Jugglers finally got to the Joes (in some way) and got them shut down. Cobra had re-located to Europe and Cobra Island was basically abandoned. When invading Borovia, Cobra made sure not to kill any civilians. You could see how some politicians (or "the suits and hairuts" as Hama put it) could claim that the team was obsolete and worthless.
I'd agree, especially considering the US foreign policy change in 1994. Cobra should be left alone.
Xerofall
06-02-2009, 03:47 AM
I read these comics every day at work on my comp... it's fun to relive the different eras in my childhood.
I used to think the series got bad after the Cobra civil war... but it wasn't until issue 120 or so that it got bad, in my opinion.
I re-read the issues and they are pretty fun. What's really interesting is all the fan mail they published... I like the one letter they replied to about Firefly being a ninja when he first appeared in the series. "No, he's not a ninja, he's a saboteur." LOL
chuck x goren
06-02-2009, 05:29 PM
Loved the notes, you really pick up some nice details. Other than that, I think you're sometimes unfair with Special Missions. Issue #22 for instance deserves more than 2 flag points, even if we never know who the terrorists work for.
Thanks. I kinda' sour on "Special Missions" since, in the overall scheme of things, they weren't too significant. It always seemed like the title was given the "B-stories" and would have some goofy inconsistencies (like the Joes making a public appearance at an airshow).
Don't get me wrong, there are some gems in there. #2 with the Mossad and the old Nazi is one of my favorites. But when I was originally following the titles in the 80's, the main book was always at the top of my reading list, while "Special Missions" would sit at the bottom; sometimes even lingering until 2 or 3 issues had been built up. It also didn't help that I wasn't a big fan of Herb Trimpe. At times, it seemed like he was focusing on drawing the planes and tanks and didn't put much effort into his figures (especially their faces). Trimpe was a former pilot and aviation nut, hence the planes.
They're not awful issues... just not my favorites.
artiepants
06-02-2009, 09:06 PM
I read these comics every day at work on my comp... it's fun to relive the different eras in my childhood.
I used to think the series got bad after the Cobra civil war... but it wasn't until issue 120 or so that it got bad, in my opinion.
I re-read the issues and they are pretty fun. What's really interesting is all the fan mail they published... I like the one letter they replied to about Firefly being a ninja when he first appeared in the series. "No, he's not a ninja, he's a saboteur." LOL
When i re-read it recently, i thought it got kinda bad after the Cobra Civil War until the Trucial Abysma war that really kicked it up a notch, and then was pretty solid until 'Destro Search and Destroy' which was just baaaaad. When Cobra Commander first came back in 98/99/100 he seemed like a total bad@$$ (kind of a precursor to Resolute CC) but he really quickly turned into a cartoon of his former self, it was wierd (it was so abrupt i wondered if maybe it was pressure from hasbro)
but i had to give up about there, and skip to the end, which was great!!!
YoJoeFan81
06-02-2009, 09:22 PM
The idea of having Wade Collins adopted son write a letter 2 Snake Eyes and talk about honor and glory in a soldiers life and asking him if its worth being a soldier was pure brilliance!
You know that kid grows up to be Kamakura right?
Jettfire
06-03-2009, 07:49 PM
#155 is one of the best last issues of any series. It was an awesome send-off to the Marvel Joe's.
I'm of the same mind as a bunch of others that the book had been on life support more or less for its last few years but it really went out well.
darthdrew13
06-08-2009, 07:34 PM
I agree that 155 was the best closing issue ever. As for re-reading everything. You don't HAVE to buy all the issues. There are many here that have scans of the entire run of 1-155, and Special Missions, and Yearbooks, and OOB,... and European Missions, etc. Just PM around, or creatively ask. You'll find someone. I'd like to find the DDP stuff (including mini-series like Storm Shadow). Guess I'll have to follow my own advice.
hansalfaone
06-09-2009, 09:34 AM
I think the golden age was issues 11-19. Wow, did they hit a stride...the 2nd gen of characters and vehicles...the story line was graduate level (look at some of the words...I saw some of the same words when i took the graduate record exam!).
Issue 20 to me was retarded....it totally derailed the story line...then issue 21...come on..get back on it already (I'm sorry, I don't feel it was the greatest GI Joe story ever told....)....
Tammman
06-09-2009, 10:06 AM
I think the golden age was issues 11-19. Wow, did they hit a stride...the 2nd gen of characters and vehicles...the story line was graduate level (look at some of the words...I saw some of the same words when i took the graduate record exam!).
Issue 20 to me was retarded....it totally derailed the story line...then issue 21...come on..get back on it already (I'm sorry, I don't feel it was the greatest GI Joe story ever told....)....
I think the golden age lasted a little bit longer than that... at least until issues 26-27. I agree #20 was kind of a throw off...
Loose Cannon
06-09-2009, 10:39 AM
Why don't I remember #155? I have it and I need to go back and read it. I just remember being let down. The Marvel run for all intents and purposes is the Old Testament of GIJoe. maybe DDP and Image being New Testament. (Sorry for the Religious analogy) It has it's ups and downs but as a kid I loved every issue. Now When I read some of it I'm a little less impressed. I wish I had read more of the Special Missions stuff since it was better story telling at the time of the decline in my eyes.
Like someone mentioned after about #120 it switches to Ninja Mode. Beginning of the end IMO.
#135 it becomes SNAKE-EYES in gijoe with Ninja Force, and is totally centered around ninjas, with some sprinkling of Star Brigade, Eco Warriors, and DEF. Not to mention the red Ninja Scorpion Pose Cheerleader Pyramid. ??????
Marvel then totally jumps the Shark with Snake-Eyes in GIjoe with the Transformer!!! +a full days dose of Ninja Force in Issue #139. By 155 I could hardly stand it. I just remember being totally let down. Maybe because it was the end.
I enjoyed most of the DDP and image stuff. Can't say everything was great but it kept true to the Marvel Story. Although they tried too hard to tie everything in, it was fun while it lasted.
Now we have IDW. The Koran of the GIjoe tale. Somewhat the same but things have been changed. So far the Origins and the Cobra Storyline are the best ones. Now you know what you missed about Larry after all those years. There is just better character development and storytelling, but now no Star Brigade to sell, no ECO-Warriors. Ninjas won't go away, but we're back to square one so Not everyone is a ninja yet.
Firefly007
06-09-2009, 02:25 PM
I liked the original Marvel GI Joe comics. I read them all when I was a kid. I have the entire collection, Large over sized issue #1 Kaybee special, European missions and all. There stored away so I can give them to my kids.
I have not read any of the latter comics like Image or IDW. I hope they are doing a good job, at least. I Remember issue #2 with Quinn and the early issues with the scare face cobra officer. The issue of Billy being Cobra Commander's son was interesting. I think the issue with Cobra Commander being captured and he drinks using a straw through his chrome dome was really cool to see as a kid. Issue #21 the silent one has to be one of the best of the line. The issue of the attack on Cobra Island and the death of a bunch of Joe's has to be up there too.
The ending of the series was sudden. The series had a long run for its time. I think the comics fallout was also based on the fallout of the toy line. They were starting to repaint the figures and cast them in a different plastic that made them look like if they were GI Joe copies.
I don't think the movie will follow the original comic book line, since the movie seems to be focused on Destro and M.A.R.S and not Cobra Commander and ARBCO. Also did you see the way the Cobra Commander figure looks? It has to be the worst looking figure of the line (see my post rant on it). The Neo-vipers look more like Destro with a metal skull mask. The M.A.R.S. troopers look more like original cobra troopers and not Iron Grenadiers. I hope they did not screw that up.
At least the Resolute cartoon movie was true to the GI Joe comic book line with the end of the cartoon depicting cobra HQ being in Springfield and the companies name was ARBCO. They killed off Major Bludd, Zartan, and Strom Shadow and the only Gi Joe lost was Bazooka? They should of killed more Joe's off like the comic did. ;)
Loose Cannon
06-10-2009, 10:53 PM
OK take it back. I just went back and reread #155 and it was a classy ending to what had become a lame story line at the end. It was sudden as it didn't fit with anything leading up to it. But I at least felt a little more closure this time reading it.
chuck x goren
06-11-2009, 01:14 PM
It was sudden as it didn't fit with anything leading up to it.
Yeah...and check out the COVER, where Quick Kick (who was dead) and Storm Shadow (who was recently brainwashed by Cobra) are depicted as part of the Joe team.
The only slightly intriguing plotline in the final years, to me, was the Cobra invasion of eastern Europe. But they Hama didn't seem to do much with it, as a good portion was wasted on the supposed "comical" stuff with Wolfgang and Gen. Leiderkranz.
Loose Cannon
06-12-2009, 05:32 PM
Yeah...and check out the COVER, where Quick Kick (who was dead) and Storm Shadow (who was recently brainwashed by Cobra) are depicted as part of the Joe team.
The only slightly intriguing plotline in the final years, to me, was the Cobra invasion of eastern Europe. But they Hama didn't seem to do much with it, as a good portion was wasted on the supposed "comical" stuff with Wolfgang and Gen. Leiderkranz.
Not to mention Transformers.
chuck x goren
06-12-2009, 05:52 PM
Sure, the annoying Transformers crossover filled the book from about issue 137-143, but they weren't a part of the Eastern Europe Cobra invasion (145-150). My point was that the Eastern Europe plot was filled with Wolfgang and Gen. Leiderkranz.
You're preaching to the choir regarding the Transformers, though. I HATE those issues and consider them some of the worst comics I own (right up there with my one issue of Neal Adams' "Skate Man").
Loose Cannon
06-12-2009, 05:56 PM
Transformers didn't overlap that part of the travesty? I thought they were in a Eastern European Country. Where were they located when the TF were in the comics?? I need to go back and look. I just remember a fat bloated Night Creeper Leader.
Jettfire
06-12-2009, 07:25 PM
It was sudden as it didn't fit with anything leading up to it.
Considering what lead up to it, I think this is probably a good thing.
I'm glad you ended up liking it, it's one of my favorite stand alone Joe issues.
chuck x goren
06-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Transformers didn't overlap that part of the travesty? I thought they were in a Eastern European Country. Where were they located when the TF were in the comics?? I need to go back and look. I just remember a fat bloated Night Creeper Leader.
The Transformers first showed up at the end of the "Ninja Force Saga" in issue 138. At that time, Cobra was in the Silent Castle in Trans-Carpathia.... so yes, they were in Eastern Europe.
But, the Transformers plot took everything state-side. Megatron flew Cobra to the Ark (Transformers' spaceship) in North America. Then, everyone went down to Millville (presumably Michigan or some pastiche for Detroit), where the Transformers plot mercifully ended in issue 142 with a goofy fight. Millville is also where Fat Bloated Night Creeper Leader made his appearance (issue 141).
I suppose that the ONLY good thing about the Transformers issues is that they FINALLY ended the Millville subplot that had been running (and often forgotten) since issue 99 or so.
Issues 143 and 144 were both flashbacks dealing with Snake-Eyes and Scarlett. Then, issue 145 suddenly opened up with Cobra rolling through Borovia and officially beginning their Eastern Europe land grab campaign. To tie matters up, the White Clown and Magda were even killed in 145.
For overall storyline purposes, 145 is something of an underrated issue. It's not a good issue, mind you...just one with some worthy plot developments and a good return to the "joe-verse". When it seemed liked things had been in the "Ninja-verse" and "Transformer-verse" since issue 135.
"Read More About It": http://www.option38.com/comics/gijoe/145.asp
Loose Cannon
06-17-2009, 10:00 AM
Yeah that last year had GIJoe all over the place. But from #154 to #155 I had no idea the ride was about to be over. I sort of liked the last few spotlight issues. One for Roadblock and one for Scarlett. I think that was a pretty good idea. But the Borovia stuff I sort of didn't get to into. plus everyone was finally mind-contolled back in line was a little weak.
I still believe Darklon is alive plotting his revenge. although his last words were chessy, "Makes me so mad I could explode"
Totally forgot about Millville. I happened to reread 99 and 100 the other day. That first page of Cobra Commander kicking the puppy is one of my favorite images of him. By 135 its sort of heads south in a hurry. I sort of like the initial Ninja Force Stuff, but I think that 4 part series would have been enough. I think from 99-135 was mostly good stuff. That was a good 3 years.
Something changed at about 96-97. Writing, artists, I don't know. But I was happy to get the Commander back for sure. I was sad to see him kill everyone in one shot, and how some escaped death was questionable, but I like that span from 100-135.
chuck x goren
06-17-2009, 01:19 PM
Cobra Commander came back in a goofy way... but I was just happy to have him back. I wished Fred VII would've stuck around a little bit longer, though.
Yet when CC came back, we seemed to get Skeletor instead of Cobra Commander. Actual dialogue: "Meddling Joes! I'll show them!" The ongoing joke about his new lengthy vocabulary soon got tired, as well. So to me, CC's return was a disappointment. I was glad he was back...but didn't care for the way he was being written.
Oh, and an interesting factoid about issue 153 (the Scarlett spotlight issue): it was written by a guy who had been editor on "Web of Spider-Man". Which explains why it reads like a typical "Spider-Man vs. Spider Slayer" story. Swap out Scarlett for Spidey, the BAT for the Slayer, and Dr. Knox for Alistair Smythe. Scarlett even got in some awful one-liners, like Spidey usually did.
Flint4107
06-22-2009, 05:05 PM
Now, were you enjoying it when Megatron showed up? Cause that was a HARD pill to swallow...
I like the Transformers/G.I. Joe Cross overs but so long as they are part of their own continunity.
Like the main series is the "Real World" and the Transformers crossovers are an alternate universe.
I mean the original G.I. Joe/TF CO seemed to be a seperate continuity until that Megatron story Arc. But the Marvel universe seemed to be in a state of quantum flux because the end of the G.I. Joe/TF Story arc continued in TF Generation 2 #2, where Dr. Biggles-Jones is rescued and returned to earth. But that didn't seem to happen in the following issue of G.I. Joe immediately following Megatrons departure where all the Autobots dissapeared and there was no mention of them ever again and- and- and-
AAAARRRRGGG POP!!!!!
That was the sound of my head exploding.
That's the sort of non-linear confusion that turned me off of the X-Men comics.
I like what DDP did by keeping them seperate universes.
I hope that IDW keeps things going nice and straight with the Transformers in their own world as well.
As far as #155 is concerned. I loved the story. I have a framed copy of it on my wall along with framed copies of Marvel G.I. Joe #1 , Image #1, the DDP finalle and the IDW #1 issues for all three series.
Flint4107
06-22-2009, 05:36 PM
Something changed at about 96-97. Writing, artists, I don't know. But I was happy to get the Commander back for sure. I was sad to see him kill everyone in one shot, and how some escaped death was questionable, but I like that span from 100-135.
No kidding, if you look closely enough at the first full issue with Megatron attacking the silent castle. (I don't remember the issue number) The artwork style changed drastically half way through the issue. It went from sharp crisp highly detailed pencil work to curvey, low detail and sadly lower quality artwork within the same issue.
It was the strangest thing I've ever seen. It was like the pencil artist quit half way through drawing the comic and was replaced by another person.
Draven
06-22-2009, 07:37 PM
No kidding, if you look closely enough at the first full issue with Megatron attacking the silent castle. (I don't remember the issue number) The artwork style changed drastically half way through the issue. It went from sharp crisp highly detailed pencil work to curvey, low detail and sadly lower quality artwork within the same issue.
It was the strangest thing I've ever seen. It was like the pencil artist quit half way through drawing the comic and was replaced by another person.
It was the inking.
You can tell Baskerville's inking a mile off; he's the guy who did the crisp highly detailed work on the issue. He used to work with Andy Wildman on Transformers, and they both did a run on GI Joe as well.
After a few pages though, the inker changes (IIRC, there are 2 or 3 credited with that issue). It's incredible the difference it made too. The issue started off looking great (I've always loved that shot of Megatron firing at the castle) and ends up looking AWFUL.
snakeeyes0217
06-27-2009, 02:31 AM
Final issue of the Marvel run was what we always wanted but never thought to ask for...Snake-Eyes innermost thoughts. He's a soldier, but also a thinker, and a caring person to boot. To the naysayers who discount his relationship with Scarlett, this is a glimpse of why she loves him.
I'm still not a fan of the style of the artist who drew this issue, but he did his job telling this great story. Loved it then and now.
Scoop
06-27-2009, 02:36 AM
I going to re-read the entire Marvel run myself this year starting on January 1st with issue #1. The plan was to read one issue a day for 155 straight days, but I'm lazy and I never started it.
I was even thinking of posting a thread where everyone would read the same issue on the same day and then we could discuss it together.
Maybe that's a good idea to start up on January 1st of 2010.
joeenterprise
06-30-2009, 06:31 PM
I have a complete set of the entire run. Without a doubt, issue #155 is my favorite. But issue #22 is a close second. Because, my favorite Joe ROADBLOCK made his 1st apperance. Larry Hama work real hard at it.
dawingster
06-30-2009, 07:36 PM
I was even thinking of posting a thread where everyone would read the same issue on the same day and then we could discuss it together.
That would be a cool idea... the official Hisstank book club. :D
Loose Cannon
07-01-2009, 10:01 AM
I agree It's a good Idea. Why not start today. We're half way through the year. It's July 1st. Sort of like What secrets lurk in Marvel issue #1?
If you don't start it do you mind if I do? Why wait? I'll forget you'll forget. These things sometimes have a mind of their own, and take care of themselves. Would it be better to start just one Thread or a seperate thread for each issue?
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