People w/High Expectations of The Movie.........

[Sysiss]

After reading so many posts/topics on the upcoming movie I can't believe how many people are setting them selves up for MAJOR disappointment.

You would think that the dealings of everyday life would teach you that the more you expect and anticipate the more you set yourself for failure/disappointment in the end, if whatever it is doesn't meet YOUR standards.


So many of you already have such HIGH expectations of this movie and to a degree should, but no matter what the movie ends up as it will never be what you want. Some of you better prepare for the worst because you already have the pre-conceived mindset that, that's what the movie is going to be, horrible. The movie isn't even close to coming out yet and this board full of rants and raves.


BTW, to the people that think Transformers "sucked" have some serious issues. I can see an out-look of it could of been better, but can't we say that about almost any movie in existence? It however did not suck. Making an adaptation from a cartoon made for kids into a live action movie made to please EVERY age group and not make it seem corny is insanely hard. How many movies have made this transition and SUCCEEDED the way Transformers has...hmmm......NONE?!?! Heres a couple of winners, He-Man although kinda old, and Ninja Turtles. Some of you need to wake up.

Back to G.I. Joe for a sec, this movie IMO seems like it's much harder to do then Transformers tho for the simple fact that pretty much all of the characters are human and some, pretty bazaar. Fancy special effects and computer imaging isn't whats going to make this movie work. It will be the actors, characters, and storyline. Trying to make a realistic and compelling story line work and not seem corny seems hard, but i think could be done.

As said earlier tho, the more you scrutinize and EXPECT what ever it is you expect your most certainly setting yourself up for a let down. I think that has a lot to do with why some of you didn't like Transformers....If it sucked that bad it wouldn't of done as well as it did at the box office. Think of it this way it could of turned out like the live action version of Street Fighter 2, how would you feel then? :) Street Fighter 2 frightens me to this day....*shivers*

[kilowatt]

Whatever happens with the movie doesn't even matter to me. Its not the 80's anymore and having the movie cater to a bunch of old dudes isn't going to do anything for this line. I hope that this film is aim for a new generation of GI Joe fans. They already have us, plus they just gave us what we wanted with this wonderful 25th line.

[DESTRO]

The Movie will be good and make a load of cash. Its just like the Transformers Movie people just need to adjust to a new style. I personally can't wait for the first teaser trailer or even a Movie Poster.

[kilowatt]

This is a side note. I hope the movie packaging is like the packaging for the 25th except that instead of the illustration they use stills from the movie.

[CG76]

Have you seen the movie?

After reading so many posts/topics on the upcoming movie I can't believe how many people are setting them selves up for MAJOR disappointment.

You would think that the dealings of everyday life would teach you that the more you expect and anticipate the more you set yourself for failure/disappointment in the end, if whatever it is doesn't meet YOUR standards.


So many of you already have such HIGH expectations of this movie and to a degree should, but no matter what the movie ends up as it will never be what you want. Some of you better prepare for the worst because you already have the pre-conceived mindset that, that's what the movie is going to be, horrible. The movie isn't even close to coming out yet and this board full of rants and raves.


BTW, to the people that think Transformers "sucked" have some serious issues. I can see an out-look of it could of been better, but can't we say that about almost any movie in existence? It however did not suck. Making an adaptation from a cartoon made for kids into a live action movie made to please EVERY age group and not make it seem corny is insanely hard. How many movies have made this transition and SUCCEEDED the way Transformers has...hmmm......NONE?!?! Heres a couple of winners, He-Man although kinda old, and Ninja Turtles. Some of you need to wake up.

Back to G.I. Joe for a sec, this movie IMO seems like it's much harder to do then Transformers tho for the simple fact that pretty much all of the characters are human and some, pretty bazaar. Fancy special effects and computer imaging isn't whats going to make this movie work. It will be the actors, characters, and storyline. Trying to make a realistic and compelling story line work and not seem corny seems hard, but i think could be done.

As said earlier tho, the more you scrutinize and EXPECT what ever it is you expect your most certainly setting yourself up for a let down. I think that has a lot to do with why some of you didn't like Transformers....If it sucked that bad it wouldn't of done as well as it did at the box office. Think of it this way it could of turned out like the live action version of Street Fighter 2, how would you feel then? :) Street Fighter 2 frightens me to this day....*shivers*

[The Commander]

Whatever happens with the movie doesn't even matter to me. Its not the 80's anymore and having the movie cater to a bunch of old dudes isn't going to do anything for this line. I hope that this film is aim for a new generation of GI Joe fans. They already have us, plus they just gave us what we wanted with this wonderful 25th line.


Wow, I didn't know people who like stuff from the 80's were 'old dudes' now...Especially since I'm 25... :D

[kilowatt]

Boss you may want to retire, 25 is old. sorry. ha ha I'm saying it should be aim for the age group that we were when we fell in love with it.

[WildWeasel]

The Movie will be good and make a load of cash. Its just like the Transformers Movie people just need to adjust to a new style. I personally can't wait for the first teaser trailer or even a Movie Poster.

Same here. I like to see new interpretations of things. Just to see what can be done. I think they did a good job with Transformers. Yeah it wasn't great, but to me it was entertaining. So now I have my memories of the 80's cartoon and this great re-envision. Now I hope the same can be said for G.I. Joe. I'm not happy about the Wayans being in it, but overall, I'm behind this movie with support for it.

[kilowatt]

Wait 25 is young you can't remember 82.

[WildWeasel]

Boss you may want to retire, 25 is old. sorry. ha ha I'm saying it should be aim for the age group that we were when we fell in love with it.

You mean 7-10 year olds? Then I don't think this movie will be too successful then. Because they will be limited by a PG rating. This movie has to be PG-13 in order to pull off something we all can be proud of.

[kilowatt]

You mean 7-10 year olds? Then I don't think this movie will be too successful then. Because they will be limited by a PG rating. This movie has to be PG-13 in order to pull off something we all can be proud of.
Thats a good point. Yeah I hope it is at least pg-13.

[Gentleman]

BTW, to the people that think Transformers "sucked" have some serious issues.

I don't think it "sucked", but Bay sure managed to shit on his own achievement. It's not that I disliked the film because it was a bad adaptation (which it was). I was always open for change. From the very beginning. Nope, the problem was the movie AS A MOVIE. Up to the half, I thought Bay had done it: he had brought back that magic from the 80s "family" films. Shit, did the movie not go downhill from then on. First, Sector 7's Turturro. Then, the tip of the iceberg: Megatron. And no, not because Megs wasn't the Megs we always knew... but because this new character, no matter what or who it was, plainly sucked. This goes beyond the "good adaptation"/"bad adaptation" territories. Kubrick's The Shining is an awful adaptation, yet it is considered one of the best horror films. That being said... Fantastic Four's Dr. Doom sucked in ways I could have never foreseen. Why? It wasn't because he wasn't the Doom we know from the comics. It sucked because he was BADLY WRITTEN FOR THE FILM.



SO.



I, myself, am totally open to changes in the mythos. I think it's not only healthy... but necessary. Keep the essence of the background and characters, but take advantage of the new medium: F I L M.



...precisely, my biggest worry is the film __as a film__. It is Sommers after all. I hated most of his films. Yes, the Mummy too. Many friends or coleagues have told me: "oh come on, it's only meant to be fun", to which I reply: "Yes... just like Raiders of the Lost Ark". See what I'm saying? The best of both worlds can be had: good entertainment + good crafmanship.



Above all... I pray the makers will avoid unnecessary comic relief. That was one of the things that ruined Transformers for me. I go to see movies like this to be entertained, which is NOT achieved by pulling one joke after another. And this is a very common practice in Hollywood nowadays. Scripts just aren't as clever as they were a few years ago. Again comes Raiders of the Lost Ark as an example: that's a film filled with funny moments... but in no way through the use of fart jokes and the such. "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage...". Where did the good screenwriters go? The good news is that I have faith in Stuart Beattie (G.I.Joe's writer).



The fact that this film will be aimed at kids does NOT excuse the makers.



BTW, the fact that this film is aimed at kids is weird already. Might have made sense in the 80s... but a military film aimed at kids today? hmmm...







I'm still TOTALLY open to what this film may bring to the table. But, know this: I will not judge this film as an adaptation... but as a FILM. Sure, I would love this to be a good adaptation (which DOES NOT mean "exact copycat"), but I am worried about it being a good film first and foremost.

[kilowatt]

[QUOTE=Gentleman]
BTW, the fact that this film is aimed at kids is weird already. Might have made sense in the 80s... but a military film aimed at kids today? hmmm...


Hmmmm.......... are you serious? Have you really even looked at the political climate these days.

[Gentleman]

[QUOTE=Gentleman]
BTW, the fact that this film is aimed at kids is weird already. Might have made sense in the 80s... but a military film aimed at kids today? hmmm...


Hmmmm.......... are you serious? Have you really even looked at the political climate these days.


Yeah, what bout it?


I could be wrong. I don't live in the U.S.

...but things sure aren't the same as when ARAH was in its "heyday", back in the Reagan days.

[kilowatt]

It is way worse now, people love their guns here.

[Gentleman]

It is way worse now, people love their guns here.

Oh, but that doesn't sound new! :p

[kilowatt]

Regardless of the current wave of conservatism in this country, people here will not be upset about a GI Joe film, this is a toy line after all.

[OUTBACK]

Sysiss, the TRANSFORMERS did suck, period. the movie was basically a car commercial and a nerdy kid with eyeglasses and a hot chick.


do you know why Frank Miller's movies do so well? 300 & Sin City, because he makes them JUST LIKE THE COMIC. he's not trying to appease to every generation. he makes it one way, the right way, they are awesome and people love it. those movies are already classics in my eyes.

so you can stop all that nonsense talk.

[The Commander]

Regardless of the current wave of conservatism in this country, people here will not be upset about a GI Joe film, this is a toy line after all.

No, you're wrong. People will be pissed. They always are. They'll say it promotes violence.

I don't care though because the local theater will get my $8 and I'll enjoy it.

[Derek2783]

I hope they adapt the original Joe movie, scene for scene, in live action format.

And after its a huge success, the could launch a new live-action TV show which would build on the movie by retelling of how Cobra Commander comes back from a snake to a person again...

...that would be great.

Right?


Who's with me? Anyone?



No one?


Man...


...in all seriousness though, with some of the casting announcements and rumors of plotlines, the live-action retelling of the first movie might turn out better. Good grief I hope I'm wrong...

[kilowatt]

Lets wait and see, it's all in the pitch.

[Gentleman]

do you know why Frank Miller's movies do so well? 300 & Sin City, because he makes them JUST LIKE THE COMIC. he's not trying to appease to every generation. he makes it one way, the right way, they are awesome and people love it. those movies are already classics in my eyes.


...but from a commercial standpoint, Transformers probably did much better than those two :(


Sin City and 300 are excellent films. I don't see a lot of merit in translating a comic "as is" though - It's as if both Rodriguez and Snyder had it all "served", if you know what I'm saying. After all, a director's job is to decide how he's going to tell the tale he has to tell. If everything is already storyboarded and so on, well...

But still, excellent films nonetheless.



The key is to find that healthy middle point, where you produce a film that is successful both from a commercial and artistic (?) point of view.

[Kambei]

Personally, I am looking forward to it. But then I look at some movies as "fun" rather than taking them seriously.

[OUTBACK]

just because something makes a ton of money doesn't make it "good". you can't be serious. most independent films are 10X better than those garbage blockbuster movies. get me?

in the late 90's, P. Diddy made a ton of money. his music always sucked. so does that make him one of the best rapper's because he made more than anyone out? i think not.

[Moses]

do you know why Frank Miller's movies do so well? 300 & Sin City, because he makes them JUST LIKE THE COMIC. he's not trying to appease to every generation. he makes it one way, the right way, they are awesome and people love it. those movies are already classics in my eyes.
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Which came first, the toy line or the comic? I tend to think the comic and it's continuity is secondary. The toy line was the primary product and the comic was essentially marketing material.

I look back on when the cartoon came out -which is about the time I lost interest back in the 80's. Characters stayed pretty much the same and the backstory changed. The Joes no longer seemed to kill "people". They blew up robots, all pilots were able to parachute out as their aircraft exploded, etc. Television suitable for kids to watch on Saturday mornings along with the smurfs. A bit of a distance from the comic book in which it was more acceptable for humans to get killed.

Now the movie will likely be a completely different take on the backstory. And I expect it will be as different from the comic continuity as the cartoon series was. I don't read anyone bashing the cartoon on here (I haven't looked for it though). I would suggest we accept the movie for what it is when it does come out. The toy line will likely change, and I anticipate a change of focus from the classic ARAH to the new movie characters around the time it comes out. So just enjoy what we got now, and keep an open mind to where it is going. If you keep relatively low expectations and an open mind towards the movie, you just might enjoy it!

[Omegawrath]

Which came first, the toy line or the comic? I tend to think the comic and it's continuity is secondary. The toy line was the primary product and the comic was essentially marketing material.

I look back on when the cartoon came out -which is about the time I lost interest back in the 80's. Characters stayed pretty much the same and the backstory changed. The Joes no longer seemed to kill "people". They blew up robots, all pilots were able to parachute out as their aircraft exploded, etc. Television suitable for kids to watch on Saturday mornings along with the smurfs. A bit of a distance from the comic book in which it was more acceptable for humans to get killed.

Now the movie will likely be a completely different take on the backstory. And I expect it will be as different from the comic continuity as the cartoon series was. I don't read anyone bashing the cartoon on here (I haven't looked for it though). I would suggest we accept the movie for what it is when it does come out. The toy line will likely change, and I anticipate a change of focus from the classic ARAH to the new movie characters around the time it comes out. So just enjoy what we got now, and keep an open mind to where it is going. If you keep relatively low expectations and an open mind towards the movie, you just might enjoy it!
Without the comic, there would have been no filecards, no code names and without Marvel's involvement there would have been no Cobra. The comic is the legend. The toys were developed in tandem. The show came later.

[Gentleman]

just because something makes a ton of money doesn't make it "good". you can't be serious. most independent films are 10X better than those garbage blockbuster movies. get me?



In case you were talking to me:

All I said was that Sin City and 300 were probably nowhere as successful from a commercial standpoint as Transformers was. My point being that Hasbro and Paramount aim at making money first and foremost, unfortunately.

OF COURSE Sin City and 300 are eons above Transformers from an artistic standpoint.

[SnakeEyes]

Personnally, I (and my son) want to be entertained...period!!!! I could care less what the critics or anyone else has to say about the film. As long as we come out of the theatre and I see a big smile on his face and he asks me if there'll be a sequel, I'll be happy!

[Dark 5cythe]

Wow, I didn't know people who like stuff from the 80's were 'old dudes' now...Especially since I'm 25... :D

Dude. We're old dudes. I dont think youve thought it through.

At 25, we were around when...
regan was president.
Betamax, VCD and vinyl records and vhs were dominant or abundant.
NO ONE had a cell phone
people didnt have computers at homes.
a "big" video game was 32kb in size lol
Internet? not yet.
The Cold war had just ended.
Fuel injection in cars wasn't common yet.
automatic transmissions were a luxury not a norm.
And soooo much more.

[Compulsive Collector]

BTW, to the people that think Transformers "sucked" have some serious issues. I can see an out-look of it could of been better, but can't we say that about almost any movie in existence? It however did not suck. Making an adaptation from a cartoon made for kids into a live action movie made to please EVERY age group and not make it seem corny is insanely hard. Of course it sucked, just like every Michael Bay film before it. Take away everything I knew about Transformers going into the viewing experience, and it wasn't at all entertaining. Some people obviously enjoy that kind of stuff, and that's okay, but that doesn't mean it's good.

I think that has a lot to do with why some of you didn't like Transformers....If it sucked that bad it wouldn't of done as well as it did at the box office. People who think box office returns are an indication of quality "have some serious issues". Stop looking to popularity with the public to justify your penchant for lousy movies.

Sin City and 300 are excellent films. I don't see a lot of merit in translating a comic "as is" though - It's as if both Rodriguez and Snyder had it all "served", if you know what I'm saying. After all, a director's job is to decide how he's going to tell the tale he has to tell. If everything is already storyboarded and so on, well... Huh? That's not really how filmmaking works, especially the director's role in a project.

Which came first, the toy line or the comic? I tend to think the comic and it's continuity is secondary. The toy line was the primary product and the comic was essentially marketing material. The Marvel Comics title was what gave the characters life and made me care about them. The toys alone, or even combined with the animated series, could never have accomplished that. There were plenty of action figure lines in toy stores when I was a kid in the '80s, but there aren't many whose characters still interest me.

I don't read anyone bashing the cartoon on here I do! :D

Look, it's possible to deliver a genre film and deliver a quality film. That's all I ask. Chris Nolan did it. Robert Rodriguez did it. Zack Snyder did it. Bryan Singer has done it with two properties, although his second attempt would have been better in a new continuity. Guillermo del Toro has done it with two franchises. David Slade did it (with some screenwriting help from Stuart Beattie, no less). Only two of those guys accomplished that by sticking exclusively to the original source material. I'm not personally asking for a 100% adaptation of the comics; I just want quality.

[thunderdan19]

Personnally, I (and my son) want to be entertained...period!!!! I could care less what the critics or anyone else has to say about the film. As long as we come out of the theatre and I see a big smile on his face and he asks me if there'll be a sequel, I'll be happy!

Dude, I'm so with you. If anybody here wants or expects GI Joe or Transformers to be artistic masterpieces for anything but great special effects, they need to lay off the crack pipe.

Just like Transformers was, GI Joe will be huge and fun and over the top. And in the real world where the money is made, that's all that matters. Complain all you want, that's what it's really about to big hollywood - huge and profitable, not artistic.

Joe will be an adrenaline buzz of fast action, cool cgi and effects and lots of stuff going boom! (the definition of a blockbuster) Big F-ing Robots, remember? Now were talking mad F-ing Ninjas, crazy firefights, wicked awesome new vehicles, etc, etc, etc... And we'll be lining up to give hollywood our $10 each to watch it over and over, just like Transformers. Then we'll go right over to Walmart to buy our kids some Joe toys, just like Transformers.

You catching the theme here? So, I suppose if you didn't fancy Transformers, you might as well stay home, but you won't... and Hasbro and Paramount know that already... and that's just plain reality.

[Compulsive Collector]

You catching the theme here? So, I suppose if you didn't fancy Transformers, you might as well stay home, but you won't... and Hasbro and Paramount know that already... and that's just plain reality. I stayed home for Michael Bay's garbage, but feel free to try again.

[gunslingercbr]

Sysiss, the TRANSFORMERS did suck, period. the movie was basically a car commercial and a nerdy kid with eyeglasses and a hot chick.


do you know why Frank Miller's movies do so well? 300 & Sin City, because he makes them JUST LIKE THE COMIC. he's not trying to appease to every generation. he makes it one way, the right way, they are awesome and people love it. those movies are already classics in my eyes.

so you can stop all that nonsense talk.
I don't know anyone who read Sin City or 300, but saw the movies because they simply thought they looked cool. the concept of those movies equally carried them to a general audience without having to break down any preconceived notions the way G.I. Joe or Transformers do (though Transformers had the benefit of an entire segment of audience simply interested in the special effects), which are huge brands and toys, so the comparison between Millers movies and G.I. Joe and Transformers simply isn't applicable. they are far too many dynamics involved that differentiate those books from G.I. Joe or Transformers to simply say they are comparable because they both had comics.


Look, it's possible to deliver a genre film and deliver a quality film. That's all I ask. Chris Nolan did it. Robert Rodriguez did it. Zack Snyder did it. Bryan Singer has done it with two properties, although his second attempt would have been better in a new continuity. Guillermo del Toro has done it with two franchises. David Slade did it (with some screenwriting help from Stuart Beattie, no less). Only two of those guys accomplished that by sticking exclusively to the original source material. I'm not personally asking for a 100% adaptation of the comics; I just want quality.
but you can have quality while being on the lighter side and geared towards children as well. having debated this with your, it seems your source of contention is that you prefer a more "mature" story. well, these are toys we are ultimately talking about, the very antithesis of maturity. this is a movie meant to appeal to a broad audience (which is probably hoped to be significantly comprised of children who will carry toy sales like most movie toy lines). as such, it is going to have a lighter, comedic side (much like Transformers), and will probably be more of an adventure movie not an action movie (much like Stephen Sommers Mummy films). as such, it will contain typical movie contrivances and formulas so that the broad movie going audience finds it easy to watch and enjoy. comedic sidekicks and the emotional relationships between the characters that we have all heard so far fit that bill perfectly. G.I. Joe is not Batman, there is nothing dark or brooding about it, and it isn't Die Hard or Rambo either with violent battles attempting to portray plausible real world threats. G.I. Joe is a movie based on a childs toy whose popularity was arguably carried strongly by a cartoon, so a cartoonish movie should be expected. at some point, we all need to step out of our adult boots when we analyze G.I. Joe and look at it honestly for what it is, a childs toy.

as for the "source material," Transformers had a comic before the cartoon and yet most people view the cartoon as its source material more than the comic, so which came first hardly dictates such. ultimately, the source material will always be the toys themselves first and foremost, and they are a blank slate of characters that can be fit into any new storyline, or can encompass elements of its past story lines from the cartoon or comic. but doing so doesn't violate or contradict any source material because G.I. Joe is and always has been an entity that simply evolves from time to time and doesn't stick to one story beyond the broad concept of G.I. Joe vs Cobra.

[gunslingercbr]

I stayed home for Michael Bay's garbage, but feel free to try again.
the "you" is the general collective movie going "you" that he is talking about, and Transformers box office receipts back that position solidly. I am confident that if G.I. Joe performs comparably, Hasbro and paramount won't care if the specific you, Compulsive Collector, doesn't see it, just like you didn't see Transformers, because I am confident that the execs at both places don't look at the profit of Transformers and lament that they wished they had made another $10.

[Compulsive Collector]

but you can have quality while being on the lighter side and geared towards children as well. having debated this with your, it seems your source of contention is that you prefer a more "mature" story. well, these are toys we are ultimately talking about, the very antithesis of maturity. this is a movie meant to appeal to a broad audience (which is probably hoped to be significantly comprised of children who will carry toy sales like most movie toy lines). as such, it is going to have a lighter, comedic side (much like Transformers), and will probably be more of an adventure movie not an action movie (much like Stephen Sommers Mummy films). as such, it will contain typical movie contrivances and formulas so that the broad movie going audience finds it easy to watch and enjoy. comedic sidekicks and the emotional relationships between the characters that we have all heard so far fit that bill perfectly. G.I. Joe is not Batman, there is nothing dark or brooding about it, and it isn't Die Hard or Rambo either with violent battles attempting to portray plausible real world threats. G.I. Joe is a movie based on a childs toy whose popularity was arguably carried strongly by a cartoon, so a cartoonish movie should be expected. at some point, we all need to step out of our adult boots when we analyze G.I. Joe and look at it honestly for what it is, a childs toy. X-Men did very well without being specifically aimed at children, as did Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 (I won't go into a discussion about the third). I seem to recall a lot of Spider-toys being sold over the last few years, too, so you could have saved yourself a lot of typing.

the "you" is the general collective movie going "you" that he is talking about I think he was being a bit more specific, and referring to the fandom "you", but thanks for your attempt at explaining something I already understood perfectly well.

[thunderdan19]

I stayed home for Michael Bay's garbage, but feel free to try again.

Understood. So you are the one guy on this continent that has not seen that movie. But, answer me this, would you sit out a GI Joe blockbuster based on someone else's opinion and second hand knowledge?

[gunslingercbr]

X-Men did very well without being specifically aimed at children, as did Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 (I won't go into a discussion about the third). I seem to recall a lot of Spider-toys being sold over the last few years, too, so you could have saved yourself a lot of typing.

there is a huge cultural difference, historically and recently, between X-Men & Spiderman and G.I. Joe, so you could have saved yourself the typing as well, unless your only point was to either display your ignorance or dishonesty. your arrogance is really tiresome, especially when it continuously reflects your ignorance and need to simplify arguments to their most basic factors and attempt to dishonestly create similarities where more dynamics exist.

[Compulsive Collector]

Understood. So you are the one guy on this continent that has not seen that movie. But, answer me this, would you sit out a GI Joe blockbuster based on someone else's opinion and second hand knowledge? Oh, I saw it, but I saw it for free after a friend bought the DVD. It took me two nights to even get through it. It had nothing to do with anyone else's opinion, and everything to do with my knowledge of the producers, writers, director, and what I had seen in the trailer. If I have similar doubts about this film further into its development, I'll skip it, as well.

there is a huge cultural difference, historically and recently, between X-Men & Spiderman and G.I. Joe, so you could have saved yourself the typing as well, unless your only point was to either display your ignorance or dishonesty. your arrogance is really tiresome, especially when it continuously reflects your ignorance and need to simplify arguments to their most basic factors and attempt to dishonestly create similarities where more dynamics exist. You're hardly in a position to start throwing around words like "ignorance", sport. This latest post from you is nothing more than a desperate attempt to rescue your bruised little ego from further injury. Honestly, are you incapable of having a discussion about film without calling someone "ignorant" and "dishonest"? What is wrong with you?

Cultural difference? Get real, and save the feigned erudition for someone stupid enough to fall for it. I'm talking about quality in genre films. It is a simple concept, and suggesting otherwise is the only exercise in intellectual dishonesty that's been posted to this thread. You don't have any working knowledge or profound insight to offer, but if you want to keep pretending that you do, be my guest. I'll just keep having a laugh at your expense.

Please don't ever believe that feeble insults from the likes of you are going to bother me, though. If you want to personally offend me, you're going to have to earn it, and it's painfully obvious that you don't have it in you.

[kilowatt]

I will more than likely wait for the reviews on here from certain key members, who I value their opinions, before I waste my time with this film. Regardless if I like the film or not, I still hope it does really well.

[thunderdan19]

Regardless if I like the film or not, I still hope it does really well.

I think we would have to admit that it would be better for all of us if it did.

[Shogi]

This thread's still talking about a movie right? Let's try to leave name calling (Even semi-civil name calling) out of it.

I agree that anyone going into this movie with huge expectations will probably be let down. (That's how I survived the Phantom Menace :) I wasn't expecting the original Star Wars) I'm sure it'll be a fun movie, and if it's like the scenes with the military guys from Transformers, then I for one will be happy

[Compulsive Collector]

I think we would have to admit that it would be better for all of us if it did. Definitely! Even if the movie sucks, if it means a couple more years of great collectibles, then whatever. I don't need to enjoy the film to enjoy G.I. Joe, just like I didn't need to enjoy the first four Bat-films to enjoy Batman. I think the film's box office destiny depends mostly on how they handle the villains. If Cobra Commander, Destro, and Zartan look cool in the trailers, people will go see it.

[thunderdan19]

Definitely! Even if the movie sucks, if it means a couple more years of great collectibles, then whatever. I don't need to enjoy the film to enjoy G.I. Joe, just like I didn't need to enjoy the first four Bat-films to enjoy Batman. I think the film's box office destiny depends mostly on how they handle the villains. If Cobra Commander, Destro, and Zartan look cool in the trailers, people will go see it.

And if all else fails and it totally sucks and tanks, they can reinvent it in a few years like Batman or just pretend it never existed at all and start over like Hulk! :)

[SnakeEyes]

That's kinda the point I was trying to make. I liken movies to a roller coaster ride. You sit down, buckle up, and go along for the ride. When you get off you say one of two things..."that was fun, let's do it again" or "let's move on to the next one"! I think the majority of movie goers out there would agree. I put myself in this category. We're not film critics and have no "professional" aspirations of ever being one. Therefore, we never waste too much time worrying about what went wrong in the film, or what they could have done better. We either love it or we don't. I think we all hope the movie does well! It's just that some of us take our movies more seriously than others...and that's cool!! Let's just try and remember that before we bash each other for something as trivial as liking or not liking ANYTHING.

So, here's to hoping the movie is a 3G, topsy turvy, inside out helluva ride!

[deathvalleymachine]

It's not about high expectations, it's about them following the origin as closely as possible...

That's what most of us Joe fans are cranky about...

All in all, I believe that the movie will be a huge success - it's a dream come true for the most of us, I strongly believe that we will leave the theater on the 7th of August, 2009 very happy...

As for the youth casting, I believe there might be a few characters being portrayed in their earlier days as part of flashback footage...that might explain the young people getting casted.

[xluiscarlosx]

just hope they dont make a totally new history like spiderman or xmen hope they keep the original story

[abesapien2]

Can't be any worse than our first GI Joe: the movie.... It should be leaps and bounds better!! and non stop ray park ninja action!!

[Moses]

Can't be any worse than our first GI Joe: the movie.... It should be leaps and bounds better!! and non stop ray park ninja action!!

I can agree with that! I don't expect it to follow the comic continuity too closely, but the minimal expectation I have is that it is better than the old cartoon schlock. Hopefully there will be more than just Ray Park to carry the movie.... I do like some dialog in movies