Will the Movie kill the 25th line no matter how good or bad it does?

[GrenadierStinny]

With the recent Hasbro Q&A, it's pretty obvious that the upcoming Vehicle Wave 5 and the two 7-Packs are about all we're gonna get for the foreseeable future when it comes to the "25th" style line.

Yes, Hasbro is focusing on the Movie-Style line. But, no matter how the movie line fares, I think it might mean the end for the 25th style line.

If the Movie figures do well, then Hasbro will continue with their obvious plan to simply make figures of characters who do not appear in the film and make them "movie style".

I don't know about you, but I'm not really looking forward to Robo-Joe versions of all my favorite Joes.

So, if kids buy into the Movie line-- which I can almost guarantee that they won't. I think the movie figures will sit on the shelves till Christmas when they'll be discounted on clearance. But, if kids do but into the movie line-- then Hasbro will think "ka-ching!" and just keep going with that horrible looking line.

But-- if the line dies on the shelves and stores are flooded with Joe merchandise that they can't sell, then they won't be looking for new Joe product, and Hasbro will turn away from Joe, thinking that it's an unsuccessful line.

That means that the slow-build and rapport that they've created with the 25th Joe line will have all been killed to make way for movie figures that kids just don't care about.

Either way, the collectors who love the 25th line lose.

If the Movie figures do well, no more-- or VERY limited-- 25th style figures.

If the Movie line bombs, no more Joe product for a while-- period.

That's just how I'm predicting things.

Granted, they've covered most of the major characters that I've always wanted to see in the 25th line-- but there are still some great ones to be made!

Airtight, Jinx, Zandar, Zarana... and many, many more that are lesser fan favorites.

I just hope that Hasbro does not turn their backs on the 25th line and the collector's base that they've worked so hard to gain faith in again. But, I don't have a good feeling about things....

What do you guys think?

[Monkeywrench]

i'm sure the movie line will kill it

[kneroh]

again... really...?

[RATFINK]

this is absurd and should be smited In my opinion

[Jmacq1]

Seriously....

You're right. Hasbro is never EVER going to make another G.I. Joe product that anyone on earth will ever want to buy. Rage, RAGE against the dying of the light!

That, or save your money and buy other things you like. The sun will rise tomorrow regardless.

[Irid70]

Look at TF Universe Classics, or whatever they're called. Came back strong following an incredibly successful movie line. We can certainly hope for the same thing with Joes.

Now can people stop wringing their hands already?

[Zefram]

!!!d3@7h 0f 73h l!n3!!!!

Seriously? Did Michael Bay's cinimatic abortion kill Transformers? No. On the contrary, interest increased and now we see classic characters being done justice in ways even the G1 toys couldn't have dreamed and the original series rereleased on DVD.

C'mon guys, how often is the sky going to fall on this site?

[Steinberg]

!!!d3@7h 0f 73h l!n3!!!!

Seriously? Did Michael Bay's cinimatic abortion kill Transformers? No. On the contrary, interest increased and now we see classic characters being done justice in ways even the G1 toys couldn't have dreamed and the original series rereleased on DVD.

C'mon guys, how often is the sky going to fall on this site?


I tend to agree with this opinion. 10 years ago I thought the product for new Star Wars movies (which we all knew would suck in advance) would replace/kill my beloved 4/5/6 product. On the contrary new really solid stuff for 4/5/6 was released for another decade; partly because a new generation was introduced to the Star Wars universe. We may not like to address the truth that new blood is life. A handful of aging die-hards no matter how fanatical or willing to spend can keep a line going indefinitely.

[Gamble]

Tired subject.

[GrenadierStinny]

Seriously, I'm not "wringing my hands" or "going on a rampage" about how things will go, one way or another.

It's all just a thought I was discussing with a fellow collector and thought I'd pose the question here.

I'm mainly basing my thoughts on Hasbro's responses to recent Q&A's. They are dismissing a lot of 25th Q's while trying to turn attention to the upcoming movie line.

As a collector and someone who really enjoys his 25th Joe line, it brings up certain questions and curiosities. Sorry if that upsets some people, but I thought this was the best place for a Joe discussion. A sharing of ideas and thoughts. That kinda thing.

In the meantime, I have plenty of other things that I collect and enjoy every month. MOTU, Hot Toys, DC Direct, Japanese Toys, older 70's and 80's toys. Plenty to keep me and my bank account busy-- for those who need to turn this into a "weepy, whiny" thread-- it most certainly is not.

[The Conflict]

lmao

[crimsontrooper]

There's obviously a big demand for the 25th line among collectors. Hasbro should at least continue to make internet exclusives. There's money to be made. I don't understand why they would turn there back on the line forever. I sure hope they don't...

[blayze5150]

The movie line is just that... a movie line. The characters aren't as colorful, and the vehicles aren't to scale with what was on film. When everyone leaves them on the shelves we'll get our beloved classics back in some form. GI Joe has more lives than Jason Voorhees!

[bigdaddyblue73]

Seriously, I'm not "wringing my hands" or "going on a rampage" about how things will go, one way or another.

It's all just a thought I was discussing with a fellow collector and thought I'd pose the question here.

I'm mainly basing my thoughts on Hasbro's responses to recent Q&A's. They are dismissing a lot of 25th Q's while trying to turn attention to the upcoming movie line.

As a collector and someone who really enjoys his 25th Joe line, it brings up certain questions and curiosities. Sorry if that upsets some people, but I thought this was the best place for a Joe discussion. A sharing of ideas and thoughts. That kinda thing.

In the meantime, I have plenty of other things that I collect and enjoy every month. MOTU, Hot Toys, DC Direct, Japanese Toys, older 70's and 80's toys. Plenty to keep me and my bank account busy-- for those who need to turn this into a "weepy, whiny" thread-- it most certainly is not.

Well of course they are turning attention to the movie line, that'ds what they are trying to sell.

I am pretty sure the 25th anniversary line has had more success than Spytroops, Valor vs. Venom, or GI Joe vs Cobra.

If the movie line bombs, we will get 25th stuff again. I 100% believe it. The line has brought A LOT of adult collectors back to GI Joe. We may have to go for a year without anything new, but if the movie line does bad we will at least get more CC and Wild Bill repaints. Hey, there's a comic pack for ya! Hey Hasbro how about a Cobra Commander vs. Wild Bill comic pack!?

[blayze5150]

Hey Hasbro how about a Cobra Commander vs. Wild Bill comic pack!?

Don't give 'em any ideas...

[facehammer]

Irid70= Win. Thread is done after that post...

[MeLikeJinx]

So, if kids buy into the Movie line-- which I can almost guarantee that they won't. I think the movie figures will sit on the shelves till Christmas when they'll be discounted on clearance. But, if kids do but into the movie line-- then Hasbro will think "ka-ching!" and just keep going with that horrible looking line.
Yup. IMO it's lose, lose either way. Except IMO our salvation will be found with the Resolute line; when they eventual release those figs they will probably release the rest of the ARAH figs with them as well.

[Jmacq1]

What's Hasbro supposed to say about the 25th? They've shown us all the product that's coming between now and the movie. They've made it clear there isn't anything else. The movie line is G.I. Joe this year and probably into the first half of next year, so that's all there is to talk about. They want people to be interested in the movie line, not hanging around waiting for "modern era/25th/classic" to return. Yeah, people are going to do that, but MORE people are likely to do that if Hasbro just comes out and says, "Oh yeah, March 2009 will see classic Joe returning to the shelves. So you can just skip everything between now and then." Seriously...do folks have the slightest clue about marketing?

They've made it clear that their plans for 2010 aren't finalized yet. Can't give "final answers" when you don't have final plans.

We've known the 25A/Modern line was going to fall by the wayside for the movie-themed line for pretty much an entire year now. Anyone that was expecting otherwise was either deluding themselves or just plain not paying attention to how Hasbro does business.

Resolute? Resolute looks to be stillborn at this point. By the time it comes out, the movie product will be in full-swing, unless they delay it to next year.

[Mech-Viper]

its the New coke thing

everybody remember new coke, i bet the coke-cola marketing department does, just an example of don't screw with the original.

[crock master]

i think all the repaints, loose joints, and recycling and sharing of bodyparts will kill the 25th line.
it doesnt really matter what does and doesnt kill the line. all things come to an end.
the question is did hasbro do what they had to do to cash in ?
the answer is yes, tons of repaints , a movie for kids, ect.
the money even grows for hasbro when they start making all the extra crap like they did for all the other comic movies.the crap that little kids want like costumes and mc donalds toys

[thunderdan19]

Okay, here's the deal (as I see it): As mentioned above and in many other places on the 'tank, obviously Hasbro's focus is on the movie line. That is why Resolute has screeched to a halt and the ME line has been cut short, for the moment. It's all about the movie.

Here are the possible scenarios:

Scenario 1. Movie line "epic fails" like so many on this site have been wishing for (because they are deluded into thinking that somehow that will magically make Hasbro "get smart" and stop trying to create a new generation of Joe fans, and focus on them, and only churn out '80s and '90s repaints for the forseeable future). The naysayers are completely right and kids could care less about any new version of GI Joe.

Silly Hasbro, GI Joe is for fanboys...

The result: GI Joe becomes stagnent, clogs shelves like Batman, Spiderman, Hulk, Indiana Jones and Speed Racer before them. Stores refuse to buy any Joe product at least until their excess inventory is slowly sold off or clearanced. GI Joe as a line is no longer in demand. (This could happen whether the movie itself succeeds or fails).

Eventually, after a long hiatus while all the excess product is finally clearanced off to the point where retailers will spare a peg or two for Joe again, Hasbro will try to re-ignite Resolute and slowly finish off what little remains of the 25th figures. About 3 waves after that, all the original good figures and all the small, manageable vehicles are depleted and the ME line dies a slow death. 25th versions of Raptor, Crystal Ball and Big Boa hang on the shelves longer than that stupid Imperial general guy in the black classic SW package. Finally, after being reduced to $.25 the last Crystal Ball is purchased and scalped on ebay for $.50 in February 2015.

Resolute is well received (not by kids, just the manchildren) and that line continues along at the moderate success rate of the current ME line until somebody's favorite Joes start being killed off (since it is realistic), some of the concepts diverge from the original '80s Joe and more and more repaints emerge, the fanboys turn on Resolute, the line dies. Now only the convention attendees and club members can get even the recycled junk they call the Joe line...

Scenario 2. The naysayers are wrong (though you'll never hear it admitted), the movie line is well enough received that it manages not to clog pegs (save for a few wtf figures, and overpriced vehicles) and a few more waves of movie figures are produced and a few more vehicles.

The result: GI Joe rides a wave of popularity that puts the line into Transformers territory. The wave lasts through the holidays where multiple additional movie waves are introduced and the last vestiges of the 25th line are mixed in. The Modern Era fades away gracefully.

Resolute re-emerges in the spring as the movie line popularity wanes. The Resolute preview becomes a mini-series, then a regular late evening series. Because of the popularity of the movie, many new fanboys and manchildren join our ranks and find the nostalgic joys of collecting the GI Joe Resolute line (even desperately trying to get ahold of 25th and ME stuff), a line focused on carrying the torch for all us classic Joe fans. Resolute carries on, reintroducing many of the classic characters and vehicles in a modern, action themed modern GI Joe. Kids all across the country get in trouble for trying to secretly watch their dad's dvr'ed Joe Resolute.

GI Joe 2 comes out in 2011 to the extreme displeasure of the fanboys (as Resolute takes a hiatus to focus on the kids again, the audacity of it) and the cycle begins all over again...

That's my take. Feel free to correct me if you find anything but truth here.

[angrypandaink]

With the recent Hasbro Q&A, it's pretty obvious that the upcoming Vehicle Wave 5 and the two 7-Packs are about all we're gonna get for the foreseeable future when it comes to the "25th" style line.

Yes, Hasbro is focusing on the Movie-Style line. But, no matter how the movie line fares, I think it might mean the end for the 25th style line.

If the Movie figures do well, then Hasbro will continue with their obvious plan to simply make figures of characters who do not appear in the film and make them "movie style".

I don't know about you, but I'm not really looking forward to Robo-Joe versions of all my favorite Joes.

So, if kids buy into the Movie line-- which I can almost guarantee that they won't. I think the movie figures will sit on the shelves till Christmas when they'll be discounted on clearance. But, if kids do but into the movie line-- then Hasbro will think "ka-ching!" and just keep going with that horrible looking line.

But-- if the line dies on the shelves and stores are flooded with Joe merchandise that they can't sell, then they won't be looking for new Joe product, and Hasbro will turn away from Joe, thinking that it's an unsuccessful line.

That means that the slow-build and rapport that they've created with the 25th Joe line will have all been killed to make way for movie figures that kids just don't care about.

Either way, the collectors who love the 25th line lose.

If the Movie figures do well, no more-- or VERY limited-- 25th style figures.

If the Movie line bombs, no more Joe product for a while-- period.

That's just how I'm predicting things.

Granted, they've covered most of the major characters that I've always wanted to see in the 25th line-- but there are still some great ones to be made!

Airtight, Jinx, Zandar, Zarana... and many, many more that are lesser fan favorites.

I just hope that Hasbro does not turn their backs on the 25th line and the collector's base that they've worked so hard to gain faith in again. But, I don't have a good feeling about things....

What do you guys think?

No, Hasbro's dumb brass will kill the 25th line!!LOL

[jaxscorpio]

Seriously....

You're right. Hasbro is never EVER going to make another G.I. Joe product that anyone on earth will ever want to buy. Rage, RAGE against the dying of the light!

That, or save your money and buy other things you like. The sun will rise tomorrow regardless.

Unless something catastrophic happens and the sun explodes. I don't think our sun is going to explode though. It will eventually start to expand outward until it completely destroys Mercury, Venus, Earth and maybe Mars. What does this have to do with the movie line's effect on the future of GI Joe? Simple, eventually the Earth is going to be destroyed so who really cares if the movie causes the 25th line to end? It's eventually going to end one way or the other so just enjoy it while you and it are still here.

[pig iron grenadier]

Hiatus means hiatus.

[Jmacq1]

That's my take. Feel free to correct me if you find anything but truth here.

That's just crazy talk, Dan. Don't you know that the Modern Era Joe line is CLEARLY the best-selling toy in the history of selling toys? I mean, even though it only has 1/4 to 1/2 the shelf space of lines like Star Wars, Transformers, and Power Rangers, it still outsells them all because I can't find the specific figures and items I want on the shelves! Modern Era G.I. Joe is selling better than any time since the 80's! I know it's true because I read it on the internet!

I mean, it couldn't possibly be that supply and demand are pretty much mirrored up with the Modern Era line, and those lingering pegwarmers that many people are finding might be a sign that it's gone about as far as it was gonna go anyway, in terms of attracting a new audience and actually making the brand grow.

But what does Hasbro know? Growth is bad, obviously, because attracting a new audience might actually risk new and different things happening with the Joe franchise. We don't want those pesky kids around here, no sir! Hasbro should strictly cater to the 25-35 year old fanboys and never ever change anything, or try anything new, different, or innovative because if the all-powerful Joe-God Hama didn't craft it from the dirt and breathe life into it, and the event wasn't witnessed by 12 fanboy apostles firsthand before being turned over to Hasbro for production, then clearly it isn't "real" G.I. Joe.

[jaxscorpio]

That's just crazy talk, Dan. Don't you know that the Modern Era Joe line is CLEARLY the best-selling toy in the history of selling toys?

...

Hasbro should strictly cater to the 25-35 year old fanboys and never ever change anything, or try anything new, different, or innovative because if the all-powerful Joe-God Hama didn't craft it from the dirt and breathe life into it, and the event wasn't witnessed by 12 fanboy apostles firsthand before being turned over to Hasbro for production, then clearly it isn't "real" G.I. Joe.

I sense much cynicism in this one Obi Wan.

[spacemonkeymafia]

That's just crazy talk, Dan. Don't you know that the Modern Era Joe line is CLEARLY the best-selling toy in the history of selling toys? I mean, even though it only has 1/4 to 1/2 the shelf space of lines like Star Wars, Transformers, and Power Rangers, it still outsells them all because I can't find the specific figures and items I want on the shelves! Modern Era G.I. Joe is selling better than any time since the 80's! I know it's true because I read it on the internet!

I mean, it couldn't possibly be that supply and demand are pretty much mirrored up with the Modern Era line, and those lingering pegwarmers that many people are finding might be a sign that it's gone about as far as it was gonna go anyway, in terms of attracting a new audience and actually making the brand grow.

But what does Hasbro know? Growth is bad, obviously, because attracting a new audience might actually risk new and different things happening with the Joe franchise. We don't want those pesky kids around here, no sir! Hasbro should strictly cater to the 25-35 year old fanboys and never ever change anything, or try anything new, different, or innovative because if the all-powerful Joe-God Hama didn't craft it from the dirt and breathe life into it, and the event wasn't witnessed by 12 fanboy apostles firsthand before being turned over to Hasbro for production, then clearly it isn't "real" G.I. Joe.

And when we turn 60 they need to cater to that.....Old Depends wearing Duke and his cane of kick (cough, cough) Ass....

[Jmacq1]

I sense much cynicism in this one Obi Wan.

It's an intentionally exaggerated sarcastic bit, yes. The only thing I forgot to mention is that even if Hama -did- breathe life into it and 12 fanboy apostles witnessed it, half of the 25-35 year old fanboys would still reject it because it wasn't created between 1982 and 1987. ;)

[darthdoug]

Seriously....

You're right. Hasbro is never EVER going to make another G.I. Joe product that anyone on earth will ever want to buy. Rage, RAGE against the dying of the light!

That, or save your money and buy other things you like. The sun will rise tomorrow regardless.

I'm not so sure. Here's my theory... If they discontinue the 25th line all us Joe collectors will riot in the streets. We will all attend the GI JOE convention in a congregation that will more than dwarf the million man march. The enormous amount of weight concentrated in that one area from this mass of people will cause a huge weight upon the earth's crust. The Earth's polarity will shift causing massive volcanic eruptions. The ash will fill the atmosphere with a cloud more massive than that of the dinosaur extinction. The sun will be blotted out, plants will die. Humans will become extinct within 2 years of this catastrophe.

Hasbro, do you really want this on your conscience? Please make more 25th style Joes!!! The future of mankind depends on it!

[Jmacq1]

I'm not so sure. Here's my theory... If they discontinue the 25th line all us Joe collectors will riot in the streets. We will all attend the GI JOE convention in a congregation that will more than dwarf the million man march. The enormous amount of weight concentrated in that one area from this mass of people will cause a huge weight upon the earth's crust. The Earth's polarity will shift causing massive volcanic eruptions. The ash will fill the atmosphere with a cloud more massive than that of the dinosaur extinction. The sun will be blotted out, plants will die. Humans will become extinct within 2 years of this catastrophe.

Hasbro, do you really want this on your conscience? Please make more 25th style Joes!!! The future of mankind depends on it!

If every single person on this board attended the G.I. Joe convention...it probably wouldn't even exceed the maximum (fire-code) capacity of the venue it's being held in.

[darthdoug]

If every single person on this board attended the G.I. Joe convention...it probably wouldn't even exceed the maximum (fire-code) capacity of the venue it's being held in.

haha.

[thunderdan19]

See, now that's what I'm talking about, cynicism, hate and discontent... :D

Yoooooooo Joe!!!

[machiwoomiapoo]

I tend to agree with this opinion. 10 years ago I thought the product for new Star Wars movies (which we all knew would suck in advance) would replace/kill my beloved 4/5/6 product. On the contrary new really solid stuff for 4/5/6 was released for another decade; partly because a new generation was introduced to the Star Wars universe. We may not like to address the truth that new blood is life. A handful of aging die-hards no matter how fanatical or willing to spend can keep a line going indefinitely.

I totally agree with you on this!

[Vandil]

If every single person on this board attended the G.I. Joe convention...it probably wouldn't even exceed the maximum (fire-code) capacity of the venue it's being held in.

We could probably overload the elevator though.

[jaxscorpio]

If every single person on this board attended the G.I. Joe convention...it probably wouldn't even exceed the maximum (fire-code) capacity of the venue it's being held in.

It would if we held the convention at a 7-11 or Circle K.

[Jmacq1]

We could probably overload the elevator though.

Indeed, and then (to hear some of the folks here), Hasbro would go bankrupt because they'd lose the millions and millions and millions of dollars that we're giving them by buying the 25A/Modern Era line.

[Moses]

On the subject, I do not think the movie or movie toys will kill the line. What I do expect is that they will pepper in 'classics' with the movie stuff. Only thing I do not like about it is they will likely do away with the classic style packaging, which will probably end my MOC collection. Other than that, as long as kids buy into it they may have a major money maker on their hands. Unlikely as widely popular as Star Wars, Marvel or Transformers, but it should hold it's own

[thunderdan19]

Indeed, and then (to hear some of the folks here), Hasbro would go bankrupt because they'd lose the millions and millions and millions of dollars that we're giving them by buying the 25A/Modern Era line.

Billions, my friend. B-b-b-b-billions... with a B... I know because the fanboys told me so... yup... almost like the stimulus package... yup... :)

[spacemonkeymafia]

Yes didnt you know by not buying that CC Repaint you cost The Blo $10,000.....and if we dont buy the new troop builder wave they will go bankrupt...

[Hmheggins2000]

Gijoe will only die when We stop buying them. Hasbro will tease us by taking them of the shelves from time to time. They will try out new products like combat heros and six sigma. The movie may be designed to bring in more younger consumers to the market. Have you walked down the toy section in your local toy store. They are filled with battling monsters, super heros, animated transformers, and clone wars. I believe that Gijoe may never die because as long as the US has conflict and war we will need to have a need for the Joe team.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Gijoe will only die when We stop buying them. Hasbro will tease us by taking them of the shelves from time to time. They will try out new products like combat heros and six sigma. The movie may be designed to bring in more younger consumers to the market. Have you walked down the toy section in your local toy store. They are filled with battling monsters, super heros, animated transformers, and clone wars. I believe that Gijoe may never die because as long as the US has conflict and war we will need to have a need for the Joe team.

But isnt GI Joe in the movie International.....what does the USA and war have to do with an international super fighting force? Come on dont you know its "Uncool" and not "PC" to be proud of America and all it has and can be.....

[PitViper]

Tired subject.

Thank you.

[darthdoug]

But its only at 5 pages. Surely we can re-re-discuss this.

One more time... from the top!

The 25th line might end. Discuss...

[Mandingo Rex]

With the recent Hasbro Q&A...

I just hope that Hasbro does not turn their backs on the 25th line and the collector's base that they've worked so hard to gain faith in again. But, I don't have a good feeling about things....

What do you guys think?

Wanted to cut down on the quote, but I 100% agree with you. Gasp, time to crawl up on that spare cross cross beside you so all the guys who complain about complainers can crucify me for having an opinion that is opposite to them.

And apologies for all the assholes on the board who have a problem with people having opinions and trying to feel like experts on marketing like many on the site pretend to believe themselves to be.

Nobody knows what will happen, and I say speculate all you want to, and beat that horse into the next life if you have to. One way or the other someone is going to be right in the end.

[A.C.T.]

I don't think it'll f()ck up the line. Its gonna make it stronger. Its now a waiting game.

[Mandingo Rex]

I for one don't dislike the movie because the plot's different or probably lacking altogether... I dislike the designs simply like I disliked the Transformers movie designs and still do. The movie will be 100% enjoyment and full of fluff, but it won't be the GI Joe I wanted it to be.

I wanted it to be semi-serious, without most of the goofy sci-fi shit that the 80s had (which is change people, I want change, but for the better) and with realistic designs.

The RoC flick just replaced old silliness with new silliness, and replaced old bad designs with new bad designs, and kept a few familiar elements so they could still call it GI Joe. They did the same thing with Transformers. Best case scenario, we got a Dark Knight or Spider-Man or X-Men 2. Worst case, we get Masters of the Universe, complete with Dolph Lundgren.

The movie itself will do quite well, whether it's good or not. The toyline I still feel will behave much like other movie franchises, where the movie did really well, but the toy line sort of just sat. They'll sell like hot cakes and be a royal ass-pain to find until they get evenly distributed, and then the toy aisles will be up to their necks in the worst figures of the line, with some better sellers peppered in, still hanging on to the pegs for their foreseeable future.

Whatever happens, I agree with the thread-starter in the fact that no matter how well the movie itself performs or how well the toy line sells, I think the 25th line has peaked and we won't be seeing it again as it currently is. If it returns at all. I feel that, just like TF Classics, if it does return in single-carded format, it will be in some new packaging and under a new name, and will be somewhat of a hybrid of the movie look and the Resolute style. Which will annoy the hell out of me for consistency's sake if the packaging isn't very similar to the existing 25th/ME/classic look.

My one edit to the thread-starter's wording though is that I consider "fail" or "win" to be relative to the production. Whether the line meets or exceeds production expectations is what determines if it "did well" or not. If they way overestimate and produce too much and the kids don't like the toys even if they loved the movie and saw it 10 times in the theater, the items will sit on the shelf. Sure, there will always be those peg-warming "WTF" (I liked that title) figures, but if the line does well, those will be the few that we end up seeing clearanced. Otherwise, we may see fan-favorites and hard-to-find guys alike with pink stickers on them come Christmas.

Scenario A: Movie line doesn't exceed expectations, independent of the film's success, and Hasbro decides to drop further new Joe production at all. Meaning we may see a shit load of repaints to make up for the molds' costs, but not much new.

Scenario B: Movie line does so well, we get thrown a few "classic" bones occasionally or none at all, and Hasbro turns their entire attention to pumping out movie stuff, continuing releasing "new" movie product even a year or more after the film was in theaters.

Scenario C?: Now, if we do get so much as a small taste of Classic Joes in between the films, I bet it's only a wave or 2 max in the stores—if that—as more than that wouldn't fit in time-wise with the 2nd movie's release. (Very similar to the TF Classics? I don't want just 3 figures and then 3 repaints of those 3 to make up all that we get, but I guess some is better than nothing.)

I'd be happy if the classic stuff never went back to store shelves and remained online-only, but I understand the cost issues with that may either drive the Classic prices way up due to lower production run, or make them not sell well in that format and thus kill the line there as well.

Yo Joe?

[gunslingercbr]

its the New coke thing

everybody remember new coke, i bet the coke-cola marketing department does, just an example of don't screw with the original.

that wasn't it at all. consumers loved the taste of New Coke, it wasn't a matter of having a new version of Coke at all. the problem was not selling both side by side. consumers still wanted the original, and when they lost the original flavor New Coke got the brunt of their ire. that was the marketing disaster.

your argument fails on many levels, not to mention the ridiculous comparison of Coke -- the most valuable brand in the world that -- and G.I. Joe.

[Hmheggins2000]

But isnt GI Joe in the movie International.....what does the USA and war have to do with an international super fighting force? Come on dont you know its "Uncool" and not "PC" to be proud of America and all it has and can be.....

The Joe team will fight for freedom where ever their is trouble.

The team is made up of American soldiers, a comedian and a Sith Lord. It is not a International team. I think the second movie will have the October guard and Action force team up and then it will become a International team.

[thunderdan19]

your argument fails on many levels, not to mention the ridiculous comparison of Coke -- the most valuable brand in the world that -- and G.I. Joe.

Classic Gunslinger smackdown... makes me giggle every time...

[Jmacq1]

I for one don't dislike the movie because the plot's different or probably lacking altogether... I dislike the designs simply like I disliked the Transformers movie designs and still do. The movie will be 100% enjoyment and full of fluff, but it won't be the GI Joe I wanted it to be.

I wanted it to be semi-serious, without most of the goofy sci-fi shit that the 80s had (which is change people, I want change, but for the better) and with realistic designs.

The RoC flick just replaced old silliness with new silliness, and replaced old bad designs with new bad designs, and kept a few familiar elements so they could still call it GI Joe. They did the same thing with Transformers. Best case scenario, we got a Dark Knight or Spider-Man or X-Men 2. Worst case, we get Masters of the Universe, complete with Dolph Lundgren.



This is a well-articulated opinion. I don't necessarily agree, but it was well-stated.

I snipped your speculation as to the future of the toy line, but I have a genuine question for those decrying the movie as the death of classic Joe:

Hasbro has shown time and time again with their other (more successful) major boys' toy lines (Transformers and Star Wars) that they are willing to dip back into the "classic" well despite the success of more recent media tie-ins. Why does everyone (or at least a good chunk of the "naysayers") assume the worst and automatically believe that they won't employ a similar business model with G.I. Joe?

To be clear, I do NOT believe that Hasbro will go back to classic style cardbacks anytime soon. But I do believe Hasbro will produce Classic-inspired and movie-inspired toys (and possibly Resolute toys too), but likely in an alternating fashion much like Hasbro does with its' Star Wars line (Alternating Prequels, Originals, and Expanded Universe).

[Mandingo Rex]

Hasbro has shown time and time again with their other major boys' toy lines (Transformers and Star Wars) that they are willing to dip back into the "classic" well despite the success of more recent media tie-ins. Why does everyone assume the worst and automatically believe that they won't employ a similar business model with G.I. Joe?

You're right on this. The thing that Iron Man, Hulk, Speed Racer, etc all lacked that Transformers and GI Joe have... is that the toy lines existed prior to the comics, cartoons or films. The toy is the source material, not a comic or cartoon or film.

Star Wars, if you ask me, is the ONLY film-first, then-toy toyline that I consider to have ever been successful as a film and then as a toy series. The funny thing is, as a child, I was born in '82 and too young to really get into Star Wars as a kid, and so I never really got into the toys to begin with. After seeing the films once I was older and the toys weren't on shelves, I never wanted figures of the movie toys. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but I own all the films on DVD and have seen them several times. But I don't much enjoy Space-adventuring Sci-Fi as much as most nerds. I loved LotR, but I don't want toys from them. So the most successful toy line based on a film EVER, I have yet to buy a toy from, and probably will never unless it's for custom parts. But there are 6 films, and 3 "classic" ones that were very popular, and they grew up to have kids who they took to see the new Star Wars, and likewise got them into the classics.

GI Joe, as popular as it was, doesn't have that sort of cult following, despite what this message board may want to think or try to show. Star Trek and Star Wars seem to be the ULTIMATE nerd attractions. You don't often hear of Joey Conventions, or see that many people dressed up as GI Joe characters, even in their prime, as Star Wars or Trekkies. I'd say general public humiliation and pop cultural references prove that Star Wars definitely dwarfs GI Joe in comparison. Everyone knows Yoda and Darth Vader, unless you were perhaps born in another dimension. I'd be willing to be my entire GI Joe collection that your average housewife wouldn't know who the hell Cobra Commander or Snake Eyes were, though.

But back to the toys-first category of GI Joe and Transformers... "Transformers" (transforming toys) have proven time and again to sell really well, no matter the format, or name attached to it (Transformers, Voltron, Power Rangers, MASK, what have you). Take a transforming thing and have it turn into another thing, and it's a pretty easy sell for a boy's toy. Especially if one of those forms is a vehicle/weapon and the other is a badass robot. Cars, jets and military vehicles and weapons and fighting robots all smushed together into one genius concept? Besides perhaps Legos, I think Transformers is the most genius boy's toy ever. It's at least 2 toys in one, if not 20.

GI Joe on the other hand, is army men, and at it's biggest stretch, sci-fi army men. There's political issues why parents won't let their kids play with them, and overall the whole "war" figure thing doesn't seem to sell well today, even if there's a pretty solid movie following. Pirates of the Caribbean, Narnia, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Indiana Jones, LotR... All did pretty well or great at the box office, but involved human characters as battling action figures, and haven't seemed to fair too well on the shelves lately.

GI Joe doing well as a movie toy line has a few things in it's back pocket: It was a toy line to begin with, with a pretty strong following back in the day, whose original fan base now has kids or nephews who they'll take to the film and probably buy them some GI Joe toys. The original storyline(s, whether you consider cartoon, toy, or comic to be canon) were pretty involved and chock full of rich characters. And there has been some form or another of GI Joes on the shelves for the last 27 years, despite some being more successful than others.

What's going against it: War movie toys (especially after our recent war involvement), Stephen Summers directing it, possibly not as flashy since they all blend together in their black uniforms, and... "Classic" fans are kinda pissed and won't be buying full-force like they could if the character designs were handled a little smarter, instead of the Michael Bay "Fuck em, it's my movie, and I'll make changes just because I can" attitude. It's blatant disregard of the core fan-base who has propped it up for so long, and changes are made when they didn't really need to be made. They could have been more political and probably not burned as many bridges with some non-essential-to-storyline character design changes, and sold more toys. Which in the end of the day is their goal, not to please fans.

[Jmacq1]

Uh...that's all great, but as near as I can tell, you didn't answer the question:

Why are so many assuming Hasbro won't go back to the "classic" well for G.I. Joe when they've shown themselves to be more than willing to do so in the past? If it were a "war toy" issue we never would have gotten the Classic-inspired 25A line smack-dab in the middle of two unpopular wars.


Heck, they've even shown it with G.I. Joe itself.... Classic...then Sgt. Savage and Extreme. Then classic again. Then "updated" classic. Then Sigma 6. Then "updated classic-classic." Now movie. There might be another incarnation between now and then, but the historical pattern should lead most to believe that Classic product will in fact return someday. Maybe not as soon as some people might like, but it'll almost certainly be back (in some form or another).

[gunslingercbr]

What's going against it: War movie toys (especially after our recent war involvement), Stephen Summers directing it, possibly not as flashy since they all blend together in their black uniforms, and...
what it has going against it, mainly, is that they don't look good. the movie is going to depend on how spectacular the effects are and how exciting the action is staged -- none of which have been translated to the toys. they simply don't look exciting to play with.

[Mandingo Rex]

Uh...that's all great, but as near as I can tell, you didn't answer the question:


I was trying to have a respectable discussion/rebuttal, but that tone is the #1 reason why people get into fights on these stupid boards.

You could have simply said "You didn't answer the question" in a better tone, and it wouldn't have come across as being so antagonistic.

Anyways, I thought I did answer the question, however rambling I may have been. Apologies if I didn't reply line-for-line. I was simply talking about toys and specifically GI Joes, one of my nerdier passions that I tend to like to chat on a message board about instead of real people, who I can't have a conversation with over such a niche topic.


Why are so many assuming Hasbro won't go back to the "classic" well for G.I. Joe when they've shown themselves to be more than willing to do so in the past? If it were a "war toy" issue we never would have gotten the Classic-inspired 25A line smack-dab in the middle of two unpopular wars.


I was referring to the movie toys perhaps not selling well to children because of parental concerns over war toys, in a time of war, which has potentially led to the recession we're currently neck-deep in.

As for the 25th line being war toys... well, obviously they are, and obviously the 25th line wasn't intended for young kids. What kids want to play with exact replicas of outdated toys that were made a quarter-century before they were born? They were geared at 25-35 year old men who are still willing to shell out the cash, and with the hopes that perhaps those dads have kids who they could get into the toys... But without a movie or cartoon at the time to support it, I don't see the 25th/ME figures being geared towards children, despite what a lot of folks on here tend to believe.

The movie line is geared towards kids. It has big-ass, oversized shooting weapons and kid-friendly gimmicks, the packaging is flashier, and if we don't see a movie-based cartoon next fall, then I'm pretty sure Resolute MAY be being retooled for kids to follow up the movie, much like TF:Animated followed the TF film.

My main concern is based off the model of the TF Alternators and I can see a parallel in the Joe 25th line. It was said that the TF Alternators would go on a "hiatus" for the movie, to never return again.

The similarities I see with the 25th line:

• Amazing tooling, realistic and great updates of classics (Hound, and Tracks especially)
• The line started off strong and continued way longer than I expected
• (Although...) they didn't create all the core characters or more popular ones that they probably should have started out with and never were made (missing Ratchet, Bumblebee!?!?!*, Ironhide, Trailbreaker, etc), but instead had weird choices like Swerve and Windcharger (more obscure characters) and Decepticharge (totally made up)
• Towards the end we got lazy repaints with no new tooling whatsoever (the earlier repaints in the line were at least retools, with new heads and mold edits... The Richochet, Rollbar, Camshaft repaints were JUST repaints... and lazy ones at that, with weird character choices instead of more classic ones, like Trailbreaker, that could have been made)
• The last few all-new sculpts we got died in "store exclusivity" with Rumble and Ravage as Wal-Mart exclusives and were the last store-sold figures
• Rodimus was the last one released with a semi-new sculpt (to the US market anyways... essentially just a retool of Mirage and a repaint of BTA Rodimus), and was a HTS exclusive (also sold as the SDCC exclusive, but later online)

I think Star Wars is an exception and shouldn't be the rule... Star Wars would be stupid not to try and market the original films and expanded universe as much as possible... But those movies are available on DVD (The GI Joe cartoon is relatively out of the price range to go and buy, and rather dated now... much more than Star Wars, which is set in a different time and galaxy... GI Joe is set in the "real world" and very much stuck in the Cold War). Hell, Star Wars even has new subject matter (Clone Wars, etc) for kids to watch.

I think TF Alternators or Classics is a much better parallel to GI Joe, since they've always seemed to run parallel anyways. Especially since they're both "classic"-inspired revivals, although in different ways.

The Alternators "sort of" are returning, as Alternity—being a real-world, licensed vehicle that turns into classic TFs—but are a different scale (WTF?) and have much more movie-inspired designs in robot form, and despite the scale issue, wouldn't fit in with Alternators anyways.

If people don't see the similarities like I do to the Alternators line, then the Classics line is another example of how, even though it did return after the movie, it wasn't the same, and was very short-lived. It was rebranded as "Transformers Universe", the packaging wasn't the same, and if you ask me, they don't feel 100% like the first series of Classics.


Heck, they've even shown it with G.I. Joe itself.... Classic...then Sgt. Savage and Extreme. Then classic again. Then "updated" classic. Then Sigma 6. Then "updated classic-classic." Now movie. There might be another incarnation between now and then, but the historical pattern should lead most to believe that Classic product will in fact return someday. Maybe not as soon as some people might like, but it'll almost certainly be back (in some form or another).

True, but the sheer scale of the movie versus Sigma 6 isn't anywhere near the same. With the bucks poured into Rise of Cobra, if the line DOESN'T do well, it could seriously fuck the Joe line for time to come. If it DOES do well, then it will keep going and there won't be a need to return to the classics. Seriously, if Sigma 6 had done that awesomely, or Sgt. Savage or Extreme, do you think they would have gone back to the original formula that worked? It would be stupid on their part.

I'm not being negative for negativity's sake, I'm being realistic.

*Before I get hit with the "Alternators Bumblebee was supposed to be a VW New Beetle, and got canned because VW didn't want war toys made from their cars" rebuttal, Jazz was made into a Mazda, and looked pretty awesome... There's no reason Bumblebee couldn't have been a PT Cruiser or a Mini Cooper, as the body styling actually matches closer to the original Beetle anyways... AND Hasbro is making an Audi R8 (owned by VW) as a war toy for the new TF2 film, so apparently enough media bucks means that they can change their minds about toys and war-mongering.

[~Synder Corps.~]

I agree with you Stinny. Most corporations look for the immediate gratification. If the movie makes the line bomb, we won't see GOOD stuff for a long time, because they'll have forgotten how golden the 25th/Modern Era line was and ignore their own mistake of cramming craptastic ROC toys down the buyers throats.

Instead they'll focus time and money towards other toy lines...like Street Fighter and Dragonball Z or their Marvel lines. 25th/ME will become a limited online run of a half dozen figures every year or so IF THAT.

[Mandingo Rex]

what it has going against it, mainly, is that they don't look good. the movie is going to depend on how spectacular the effects are and how exciting the action is staged -- none of which have been translated to the toys. they simply don't look exciting to play with.

Even the few figures that you can tell were "designed" with an all-new look were designed poorly... Despite the clear-masked head of CC (which I hate), even the uniform looks like something out of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The Vipers and Neo-Vipers all look like some sort of cheap horror alien flick monster. I don't so much mind Hawk or Zartan, as they've been updated in a decent manner... The thing I don't like is the "future" gray-scale, "urban" camo... Just doesn't feel very realistically military to me and feels much like what an uneducated attempt at what "future military" should look like.

Even when the Joes aren't in their Iron Man, suspended-disbelief super-suits, they look kind of lame. I think that Desert Duke is about the most realistic looking figure we've seen so far. What is with that black, molded body suit on Scarlett? It's as ridiculous as her first leotard and tights... "outfit".

The more successful redesigns in my eyes aren't because they look very much like the classics... I actually don't like Storm Shadow or Snake Eyes very much, even though they probably look the closest to their old-school counterparts next to Baroness. Storm Shadow looks like a runway model wearing the latest Nike fashion in urban "ninja"-inspired couture... And Snake Eyes looks like Batman in black cargo pants with Snake Eyes' head.

Destro is a great update. He's in a suit, but feels dangerous even when he's out of the iron mask. Hawk—so long as he acts like a general in the film—at least looks military and like someone who could be in charge. And Zartan makes more sense in that he's just a regular guy who can be anybody, instead of a Kiss/Ewok hybrid.

[blackman2005]

Hasbro is infamous for unexpectedly pulling the plug on successful toy-lines in favor for other ones with a media-outlet(movie/cartoon) to back it up. The only time I've seen them revive a toy line is with Transformers Universe and they barely make any of those. Anyways, when the movie makes $150,000,000 + at the box office the toys will fly off the shelves at about $7.99 each for figures $20.00 for vehicles, $100 for the PIT.

Therefore, HASBRO, no longer has to cater to those who are in favor of the ARAH toy line. They already announced that they're focused on ONLY putting out movie merchandise for most of 2009. With the 7-packs being pushed out unexpectedly after they led us to believe that we would get Waves 14-16 this year, it leads me to believe that is their nice way of wrapping things up with us and focusing on making toys for a younger generation.

Don't be surprised if at the next convention this year, Hasbro representatives officially announce the cancellation of this particular line. In their minds they no longer need us to buy their product for future G.I. Joe toy lines to survive.

[QBERT]

thank heavens.

[shadowsun]

Even when the Joes aren't in their Iron Man, suspended-disbelief super-suits, they look kind of lame. I think that Desert Duke is about the most realistic looking figure we've seen so far. What is with that black, molded body suit on Scarlett? It's as ridiculous as her first leotard and tights... "outfit".

That black molded suit is her Accelerator suit, FYI. Her standard outfit is the same urban type BDU everyone else wears. And if you have any criticism on the Joe designs, it should be that they stick too closely to real life. This is what the future of warfare looks like, or is projected to, as seen in these images.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/New_US_navy_Working_Uniform.jpg

[Zefram]

!!!d3@7h 0f 73h 1!n3!!!

*yawn*

[thunderdan19]

I see the 25th/ME definitely phasing out regardless of the movie's success or failure. There frankly isn't that much left to be done, unless they start probing into the 90's more or fishing for new characters from the comic book or something like that. I doubt you'll see the big vehicles or playsets based upon the mixed results of the jets and the UBP. The big stuff will be dedicated to the movie line.

I think Hasbro will come back with Resolute. I'll bet they were surprised at how popular Resolute was, right out of the gate, with only a snippet of promotion at SDCC. Resolute is Hasbro's modernized, adult-focused alternative to the movie toys.

Of course, this is purely speculation, so who knows...

[The Conflict]

not trying to be an ass but theres like 50 threads for this topic

[tkprime]

You're only half right, Hasbro has a winning brand with G.I.Joe, and has invested countless amounts of money into the brand, but Hasbro isn't afraid of taking risks, (Extreme.....well blame that on both Toy Biz and the Kenner Merger).

But to say that Hasbro won't listen to fans is absurd! I realize ARAH is over, and that's fine, and I realize Hasbro has other brands, but there's still a chance that we will see a Crossover with Transformers in the toylines. Hell COL. SHARP was in the first Transformers Movie, and Rumor has it that Hasbro wants to crossover the lines if fans are in favor after the films are over.

So there are years left in Joe and this year is the Brands 1/6 scale 45th birthday! So expect big things from Hasbro.

[Jmacq1]

I was trying to have a respectable discussion/rebuttal, but that tone is the #1 reason why people get into fights on these stupid boards.

You could have simply said "You didn't answer the question" in a better tone, and it wouldn't have come across as being so antagonistic.

Or maybe it's the tendency of some people to jump to conclusions and assume there's an antagonistic tone intended when there isn't.

I was referring to the movie toys perhaps not selling well to children because of parental concerns over war toys, in a time of war, which has potentially led to the recession we're currently neck-deep in.

As for the 25th line being war toys... well, obviously they are, and obviously the 25th line wasn't intended for young kids. What kids want to play with exact replicas of outdated toys that were made a quarter-century before they were born? They were geared at 25-35 year old men who are still willing to shell out the cash, and with the hopes that perhaps those dads have kids who they could get into the toys... But without a movie or cartoon at the time to support it, I don't see the 25th/ME figures being geared towards children, despite what a lot of folks on here tend to believe.

I don't see the 15,000 or so (generous estimate) "hardcore" adult Joe collectors being enough to support a line, even at the limited production and distribution levels of the 25A/Modern line. "Despite what a lot of folks here tend to believe." I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Hasbro will NEVER solely rely on adult collectors for a mass retail line. It quite simply isn't their business model. If they think it's not going to sell to kids (obviously through their parents, but still) on some significant level, it won't make it to store shelves.

Hell, if a line was designed for adult collectors only, most retailers wouldn't stock it in the toy aisles. Toys are a fairly low-margin item for most big retailers, from my understanding. They're not going to shed a tear over what amounts to a drop in the bucket for their revenue, particularly if it can be replaced by a line (or expand the shelf space of a line) that has proven kid appeal and sales.

The movie line is geared towards kids. It has big-ass, oversized shooting weapons and kid-friendly gimmicks, the packaging is flashier, and if we don't see a movie-based cartoon next fall, then I'm pretty sure Resolute MAY be being retooled for kids to follow up the movie, much like TF:Animated followed the TF film.

My main concern is based off the model of the TF Alternators and I can see a parallel in the Joe 25th line. It was said that the TF Alternators would go on a "hiatus" for the movie, to never return again.

Two glaring flaws in your logic comparing Alternators to G.I. Joe Modern Era toys:

One - Alternators were about the same level of "classic" product to Transformers as Sigma Six was to G.I. Joe - Same characters...quite different designs.

Two - Alternators were a sub-line of Transformers, not the theme of the entire brand. G.I. Joe is a brand. Alternators is a segment within a larger brand.

I think Star Wars is an exception and shouldn't be the rule... Star Wars would be stupid not to try and market the original films and expanded universe as much as possible... But those movies are available on DVD (The GI Joe cartoon is relatively out of the price range to go and buy, and rather dated now... much more than Star Wars, which is set in a different time and galaxy... GI Joe is set in the "real world" and very much stuck in the Cold War). Hell, Star Wars even has new subject matter (Clone Wars, etc) for kids to watch.

I think TF Alternators or Classics is a much better parallel to GI Joe, since they've always seemed to run parallel anyways. Especially since they're both "classic"-inspired revivals, although in different ways.

Except that it's not really...see above. You're comparing sub-lines to the direction of the entire brand. Star Wars is a brand. I'd say it's probably a pretty good example. It seems very nonsensical to me to simply assume that Hasbro is going to treat G.I. Joe differently from their other boys' toy lines.

The Alternators "sort of" are returning, as Alternity—being a real-world, licensed vehicle that turns into classic TFs—but are a different scale (WTF?) and have much more movie-inspired designs in robot form, and despite the scale issue, wouldn't fit in with Alternators anyways.

If people don't see the similarities like I do to the Alternators line, then the Classics line is another example of how, even though it did return after the movie, it wasn't the same, and was very short-lived. It was rebranded as "Transformers Universe", the packaging wasn't the same, and if you ask me, they don't feel 100% like the first series of Classics.

I don't think too many people are expecting a full-bore "return to classic" complete with "explosion packages" etc... etc... More like simply that we'll continue to get classic product in some form or another. Whether as a sub-line of an ongoing "unified" Joe brand, alternating waves, exclusives, or what-have-you.

If people are expecting the 25A/Modern line to simply return to shelves in its' current form, pushing aside all movie product (as well as tie-ins for any other new media that might be produced) I think they're expecting a bit too much.

True, but the sheer scale of the movie versus Sigma 6 isn't anywhere near the same. With the bucks poured into Rise of Cobra, if the line DOESN'T do well, it could seriously fuck the Joe line for time to come. If it DOES do well, then it will keep going and there won't be a need to return to the classics. Seriously, if Sigma 6 had done that awesomely, or Sgt. Savage or Extreme, do you think they would have gone back to the original formula that worked? It would be stupid on their part.

So please, explain again why Star Wars would be stupid NOT to market classic product despite having sold bazillions of dollars worth of prequel/Clone Wars stuff (easily enough to support a healthy toy line), but G.I. Joe would? Likewise with Transformers, who persists in putting out Classic/Universe product despite TWO media tie-ins (movie and animated series).

I'm not being negative for negativity's sake, I'm being realistic.

I don't think you're being negative for negativity's sake, but I also think we're operating from very different angles of reality. I'm comparing G.I. Joe as a brand to how other brands have operated in the face of successful media tie-ins. You're comparing G.I. Joe as a brand to a sub-line of one brand that you obviously really liked.

It's pretty much apples and pears.

[Zefram]

Is this still going?
Seriously? Nobody has toy runs to make or something?

[bigdaddyblue73]

If it's the end of the 25th anniversary line but we get more resolute stuff i will be okay. The Resilute figs so far are awesome.

[Zefram]

...Rumor has it that Hasbro wants to crossover the lines if fans are in favor after the films are over.

Good lord man, don't tease! Do you know how long I've been waiting for a Hiss or Rattler decepticons?!

[tkprime]

Zefram..See my Thread.....2009 the year I went Broke (alas no toy runs today)

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah there a re a few randoms one I want from the later years, but other than LOWLIGHT! and Footloose who's left?

[gunslingercbr]

personally, I think a strict ME line has run its course, so I hope it goes away. I still want some more vintage remakes, but I'd rather see them as part of a new line with new designs.

[alexan2dros]

Don't be surprised if at the next convention this year, Hasbro representatives officially announce the cancellation of this particular line. In their minds they no longer need us to buy their product for future G.I. Joe toy lines to survive.[/QUOTE]

i am sorry i dont unterstand. witch line they will cancel? moder era or movie line?

[Jmacq1]

Don't be surprised if at the next convention this year, Hasbro representatives officially announce the cancellation of this particular line. In their minds they no longer need us to buy their product for future G.I. Joe toy lines to survive.

Why would Hasbro need to announce it there when they've already announced multiple times over the last several months that "Modern Era" is being shelved in favor of movie-oriented product?

[gunslingercbr]

Why would Hasbro need to announce it there when they've already announced multiple times over the last several months that "Modern Era" is being shelved in favor of movie-oriented product?

because without such an assertion he wouldn't have any other way to appear as thoughtful and wise about things he thinks nobody else has deduced or already understands.

[esg2145]

If we don't get a 25th Zap I'm driving to Pawtucket and kicking someone in the nuts! :(




:)

[Xsoldier]

Yeah there a re a few randoms one I want from the later years, but other than LOWLIGHT! and Footloose who's left?

Airtight, Zandar, Zarana, Monkeywrench, Zanzabar, Jinx, Law & order, Thrasher, Cross Contry, Iceberg, Techno Viper, TARGET, Annialator, Fast-Draw, Capt Grid Iron, Metal Head, Tele-Viper with proper gear, Psyche out, Sneak Peek, Sci-Fi, NIght Viper, Heat Viper, Frag Viper, and Col Courage.... Then I would be done with the line.

[Mandingo Rex]

Or maybe it's the tendency of some people to jump to conclusions and assume there's an antagonistic tone intended when there isn't.


"Uh...that's all great" sounds a bit sassy to me. Maybe you grew up around more sarcastic people than I did, and you're just immune to detecting it.


I don't see the 15,000 or so (generous estimate) "hardcore" adult Joe collectors being enough to support a line, even at the limited production and distribution levels of the 25A/Modern line. "Despite what a lot of folks here tend to believe." I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Hasbro will NEVER solely rely on adult collectors for a mass retail line. It quite simply isn't their business model. If they think it's not going to sell to kids (obviously through their parents, but still) on some significant level, it won't make it to store shelves.

Hell, if a line was designed for adult collectors only, most retailers wouldn't stock it in the toy aisles. Toys are a fairly low-margin item for most big retailers, from my understanding. They're not going to shed a tear over what amounts to a drop in the bucket for their revenue, particularly if it can be replaced by a line (or expand the shelf space of a line) that has proven kid appeal and sales.


I also think that those of us nutjob collectors out there who troop build figures and vehicles probably buy roughly 100x what the general kid is buying. So I think that people like you underestimate how much of a dent collectors actually make in the sales of a line like the 25th line. Where a kid may buy 1 or 2 items a week, many of us are buying up $100 a week.


Two glaring flaws in your logic comparing Alternators to G.I. Joe Modern Era toys:

One - Alternators were about the same level of "classic" product to Transformers as Sigma Six was to G.I. Joe - Same characters...quite different designs.

Two - Alternators were a sub-line of Transformers, not the theme of the entire brand. G.I. Joe is a brand. Alternators is a segment within a larger brand.


Well, they were indeed not replicas of the originals. That's more or less what the Masterpiece line is. But Alternators, while updating classic designs, stuck to the spirit of the original line. They were real, licensed vehicles for the most part, that transformed into robots. Just on a much better, detailed level this time. I group Alternators with Masterpiece, since they have about the same level of engineering, scale and quality put into them. Classics may resemble the original vehicle modes, but they're definitely not identifiable as "VW Bug" or "Freightliner".

I don't see how you can argue that Alternators are the sub-brand, yet the 25th line is the big daddy brand. I see the 25th line as a "sub-brand" as much as the Alternators were to TFs. GI Joe is much bigger than the 25th, 4" scaled figures that became popular in the 1980s. Hell, they started as bigger Barbie-sized boy dolls. So again, I'd say you're wrong in your assumption of the bigger brand, not me. They're both sub-brands, if anything.


Except that it's not really...see above. You're comparing sub-lines to the direction of the entire brand. Star Wars is a brand. I'd say it's probably a pretty good example. It seems very nonsensical to me to simply assume that Hasbro is going to treat G.I. Joe differently from their other boys' toy lines.


I think Star Wars is a stand-alone example that hasn't really worked anywhere else, being a movie property that sold a bazillion toys. But apparently you won't see my views, so I give up at this point. I don't really care to sway you anymore, to be honest.


I don't think too many people are expecting a full-bore "return to classic" complete with "explosion packages" etc... etc... More like simply that we'll continue to get classic product in some form or another. Whether as a sub-line of an ongoing "unified" Joe brand, alternating waves, exclusives, or what-have-you.

If people are expecting the 25A/Modern line to simply return to shelves in its' current form, pushing aside all movie product (as well as tie-ins for any other new media that might be produced) I think they're expecting a bit too much.


No, I think a lot of people on here are expecting that. I realize that's not the case, although I'd like it for consistency's sake. I think the movie will create it's own look that will forever change the way that Joes look and are packaged. I really don't expect to see the explosion artwork anymore, which makes me sad... It's a cool nostalgic design element that has more craft than a lot of the slick, 3D-rendered crap out there today that blends in with everything else.


So please, explain again why Star Wars would be stupid NOT to market classic product despite having sold bazillions of dollars worth of prequel/Clone Wars stuff (easily enough to support a healthy toy line), but G.I. Joe would? Likewise with Transformers, who persists in putting out Classic/Universe product despite TWO media tie-ins (movie and animated series).


Again, antagonistic when not necessary. "So please, explain again"... is snarky.

Simply, because Star Wars IS the big toy line and property that it is, and there are people seeing the movies/reading the novels/etc daily. GI Joe isn't as recognizable, the medias not there... What more is there to explain without reiterating my previous post? Just go back and re-read it. I think that if it is successful, the new movie style will win out, and the classic stuff will fade away. And I don't really think Hasbro "persists" in putting out Classic/Universe products... What'd we get, a wave or 2? It's low on their list of priorities. It's a sub-brand, so is the movie line, and the Animated... All 3 fall under the umbrella of the Transformers master brand, as you stated before. But I can guarantee you that Classics/Universe isn't their priority, but there's enough demand to keep it on the shelves apparently. Maybe I'm wrong and Joe will stay the same, but I can guarantee you if it does change in the slightest, people will whine about it, because they expected it to stay the exact same as it is now.


I don't think you're being negative for negativity's sake, but I also think we're operating from very different angles of reality. I'm comparing G.I. Joe as a brand to how other brands have operated in the face of successful media tie-ins. You're comparing G.I. Joe as a brand to a sub-line of one brand that you obviously really liked.

It's pretty much apples and pears.

Okay, I'm comparing apples to pears then. Oddly, there are similarities between the two without them being the same thing. Apples and pears are both delicious, for one. I think you're trying to make it sound like I'm comparing apples to the tree or orchard they grew in, and I'm not. Or perhaps apples to a beet farm or something. I'm sure you'll clarify where my stupidity lies regardless, and we'll not see eye-to-eye anyways.

[Mandingo Rex]

That black molded suit is her Accelerator suit, FYI. Her standard outfit is the same urban type BDU everyone else wears. And if you have any criticism on the Joe designs, it should be that they stick too closely to real life. This is what the future of warfare looks like, or is projected to, as seen in these images.

That's good about it being her Accelerator suit.

Popular Mechanics also said in the 50s and 60s that we'd have flying cars and jetpacks and other nonsense by the 80s. I still drive my car or take public transportation to get to places, but a jetpack would be really nifty. I just see that as still too-far out.

Do you think the government will spend that money on those suits for the average enlisted man? What can one of those "Halo" suits cost? The price of a Ferrari?

I'm not knocking that people think that's what is in store for our future... I'm sure people believe it. But I don't think it's as close as people seem to want to imagine. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong when they do show up on the battlefield... But until then, they're too video-game if you ask me.

It's like science is building things that science fiction has promised, and they feel like they have to deliver on expectations. Like they're intentionally designing them to look too futuristic. Much like prototype cars are ridiculously slick on the showroom at Detroit, but then they get dumbed down to the average vehicles we see on the road, with a few exceptions.

I'm sure one day elements of those suits will be used in actual military gear, but I don't see Storm Troopers and laser pistols in our foreseeable future.

[shadowsun]

That's good about it being her Accelerator suit.

Popular Mechanics also said in the 50s and 60s that we'd have flying cars and jetpacks and other nonsense by the 80s. I still drive my car or take public transportation to get to places, but a jetpack would be really nifty. I just see that as still too-far out.

Do you think the government will spend that money on those suits for the average enlisted man? What can one of those "Halo" suits cost? The price of a Ferrari?

I'm not knocking that people think that's what is in store for our future... I'm sure people believe it. But I don't think it's as close as people seem to want to imagine. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong when they do show up on the battlefield... But until then, they're too video-game if you ask me.

It's like science is building things that science fiction has promised, and they feel like they have to deliver on expectations. Like they're intentionally designing them to look too futuristic. Much like prototype cars are ridiculously slick on the showroom at Detroit, but then they get dumbed down to the average vehicles we see on the road, with a few exceptions.

I'm sure one day elements of those suits will be used in actual military gear, but I don't see Storm Troopers and laser pistols in our foreseeable future.

The point of it though isn't whether or not that those suits will feasibly see use in the future. The point is that the movie designers didn't just pull all this out of their asses. They did what Joe has always done, in cases like Flash or Sci Fi or even the JUMP pack...pull from what the military actually has in development for futurewar. The Accelerator suits get nothing but flak, but they are like I showed in the picture damn near SPOT ON what the actual concept being developed is.

[Mandingo Rex]

The point of it though isn't whether or not that those suits will feasibly see use in the future. The point is that the movie designers didn't just pull all this out of their asses. They did what Joe has always done, in cases like Flash or Sci Fi or even the JUMP pack...pull from what the military actually has in development for futurewar. The Accelerator suits get nothing but flak, but they are like I showed in the picture damn near SPOT ON what the actual concept being developed is.

I got you. I just still think it's a tad far-fetched, but I see your point as to where they got the idea. It's at least grounded in "real" speculation/R&D.

[Zefram]

Do you think the government will spend that money on those suits for the average enlisted man? What can one of those "Halo" suits cost? The price of a Ferrari?

I'm not knocking that people think that's what is in store for our future... I'm sure people believe it. But I don't think it's as close as people seem to want to imagine. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong when they do show up on the battlefield... But until then, they're too video-game if you ask me.

Dude, we already have autonamous drones in the air, on the ground, and in the water, a lot of them armed. I don't know what sci-fi you watch but WE HAVE A FREAKIN' ROBOT ARMY!!! Robots that can go behind enemy lines, do recon, and even lay down cover fire! I know they don't look like BATs (yet!) but this is crap I read about in comics and saw on TV in the 80s as far-off fiction.

In terms of gear and equipment (minus the drop-ship), we're actually pretty much on par with the Colonial Marines in Aliens (too bad we can't make a gun that sounds as cool as the pulse rifle though).

[Mandingo Rex]

Dude, we already have autonamous drones in the air, on the ground, and in the water, a lot of them armed. I don't know what sci-fi you watch but WE HAVE A FREAKIN' ROBOT ARMY!!! Robots that can go behind enemy lines, do recon, and even lay down cover fire! I know they don't look like BATs (yet!) but this is crap I read about in comics and saw on TV in the 80s as far-off fiction.

In terms of gear and equipment (minus the drop-ship), we're actually pretty much on par with the Colonial Marines in Aliens (too bad we can't make a gun that sounds as cool as the pulse rifle though).

How did this thread turn into me fighting for the thread-starter, who I felt was unjustly attacked for stating his opinion, and now I'm arguing with people over off-topic stuff?

Okay, alright already. I'm done. Let's have lasers and ninjas and space costumes out the wazoo. I'm going back to 2009, see you guys later.

[shadowsun]

Let's have lasers and ninjas and space costumes out the wazoo.

So, GI Joe as usual then? Sounds good to me.

[take2todd]

Hasbro decides to go another route. Introduces He-Joe's. With SkeleSepentor.

[dustycarlisle]

Wait...there is a movie coming out???

[bigdaddyblue73]

Hasbro decides to go another route. Introduces He-Joe's. With SkeleSepentor.

And Beast Lady and oh hell that was dumb anyway....

[CobraElite]

Alot of interesting points here, but I'm scared to say that Hasbro is going to do what any company would do when it comes to making money right here and right now. They are not looking 4 or 5 years down the road. They want to make as much money as possible and they are going to use the movie to do it. After that, they'll figure out a way to use GI JOE to make more money later on. So I guess were going to be stuck with these movie style Joes for a while.

[Steevy Maximus]

Alot of interesting points here, but I'm scared to say that Hasbro is going to do what any company would do when it comes to making money right here and right now. They are not looking 4 or 5 years down the road. They want to make as much money as possible and they are going to use the movie to do it. After that, they'll figure out a way to use GI JOE to make more money later on. So I guess were going to be stuck with these movie style Joes for a while.

Hasbro has said in the past that it generally takes a year to go from concept to final production piece on any given toy (about half to 2/3rds that for repaints). Because of that, they plan AT MINIMUM a year ahead of what we're seeing.
So at this point, they are already planning how the GI joe line will look next fall after the movie. Because they need that long to actually make the toys we'll be buying.

I'm not sure "being stuck with movie style Joes" is a necessarily a bad thing. While many fans don't care for the designs of the figures, functionally, I don't see any difference from what we've been getting in the 25th line.

Aside from less primary colors.

[darthdoug]

Alot of interesting points here, but I'm scared to say that Hasbro is going to do what any company would do when it comes to making money right here and right now. They are not looking 4 or 5 years down the road. They want to make as much money as possible and they are going to use the movie to do it. After that, they'll figure out a way to use GI JOE to make more money later on. So I guess were going to be stuck with these movie style Joes for a while.

I don't know any marketing plan for any major company or a cash cow like GI Joe that has only a 1-2 year plan. Bro they think much bigger than that! They are positioning GI JOE to add new fans, increase their international appeal, continue the existing collectors and leverage the movie to achieve short and long-term goals on all those fronts. I think its a little unrealistic to make such a broad statement like that. I'm sure if a Hasbro Q&A were happening now and someone asked what the long-term plan is with GI Joe they would be able to articulate a plan that spans from today until 10 years in the future that will keep the line alive and generating a profit. I find it hard to believe that we won't have some sort of continuation of an existing fan-based production. Star Wars had clone Wars come out alongside Legacy figures. GI Joe will be no different. Perhaps this Charbroil figure is a sign of that. They may not have the same cards (as Star Wars did not continue on the vintage cards) but they'll satisfy all fans.

[The Batman]

What I wouldn't give to have the chance to Bat-Slap every CEO at Hasbro. In Fact, I would like to beat them into submission of giving us everything we ever dream of concerning Joes! But as soon as I walked out of the room, I would be shot and then they would go on about their destruction of the Joe Line!

[MeLikeJinx]

Even if the movie succeeds the toys won't IMO. I am positive Wave 1 of the movie toys will peg warm so bad that Wave 2 will barely see the light of day (just like the first 2 DVD packs as compared to the last three). There won't be a Wave 3 to worry about and then they will probably go back to Resolute and ARAH stuff with their tail between their legs. LOL.

[Bravestarr]

There frankly isn't that much left to be done

Uh?

Footloose, Law & Order, Techno Viper, Monkeywrench, Thrasher, Dial Tone, Lifeline, Star Viper, Sci-Fi, Low Light, Cross Country, OD Green Leatherneck, and the entire Night Force team disagree with you.

Further, how about the vehicles we never got?

Thunder Machine
Skystriker
GI Joe APC
Snow Cat
Dragonfly
Cobra ASP
etc....

Y'hello, Y'hello, Y'hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mandingo Rex]

There's at least 25-40 guys left after the 7-packs that a lot of people want made... DarthBrett has some pole that proves it... Despite a few oddballs that people wackily wanted, I think his list is still pretty solid for "better" choices of figures who had a decent amount of face time in either the cartoon or comic that should still be made. I hate it when they sorta do something right, when they give up 9/10 shy of the finish line. Just complete it already. They've come this far, just go that extra 10th.

I'm thinking it's time for folks to start customizing if they want them in the next year or so, though.

But yeah, there's at least a dozen or more threads on this topic, and you'll get crucified for saying this sort of thing (I agree with you though).

Apparently with all my "logical" reasoning that makes perfect sense to me, there seems to be at least 20 people in defiance of my opinion every time I try to reason with them, and I'm tired of arguing.

And I'm as tired of seeing sarcastic "TEH 3ND UV DA L!NE!" comments as those people are of reading threads like this.

[kneroh]

just stop already.

[Mandingo Rex]

Don't be surprised if at the next convention this year, Hasbro representatives officially announce the cancellation of this particular line. In their minds they no longer need us to buy their product for future G.I. Joe toy lines to survive.

I don't think they'll "officially" announce it, more or less they'll keep beating around the bush hoping we forget about it, and they'll shoo us over to the movie tables or pull the ol' knapsack-o'er-the-head trick and remove those question-askers from the panel room.

[Bravestarr]

...remove those question-askers from the panel room.

Don't taze me, bro!!!!

[spacemonkeymafia]

No I just got off the phone with Bert and Ernie....they said were cool....

[COBRAVAMPIRE]

they're not going to cancel the modern era line, if anything after this movie stuff (bad or good) is over they're going to release everything we've ever wanted in the 25th style, plus release countless Resolute figures. All i'm saying is wait for the offical announcement of the modern era Terror Drome, our Firebats need homes don't they?

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

Yeah there a re a few randoms one I want from the later years, but other than LOWLIGHT! and Footloose who's left?

There are plenty of others to do, I don't understand why no one sees that?
I'm not going to go on about it but the remaining dreadnoks, the remaining iron grenadier members, Dial-Tone, Jinx, Law and Order, Techno-Viper, Night Vipers, crazy legs, sneak peek, . . . . there's alot more but I digress.

[Mandingo Rex]

There are plenty of others to do, I don't understand why no one sees that?

I see it, my friend. I wish Hasbro did too. If they'd just finish up 25-30 more, I'd feel less weird about the 25th line ending. But that's still a lot to do, although I feel like they've hung in this long, why not finish things up right?

They have made some weird choices so far if you ask me, without much rhyme or reason for some of their choices in which characters to make. The new 7-packs will help flesh out several of my most-wanted, but a lot remain unmade even after that.

[Jmacq1]

Every fan is going to have their own individual list of figures or vehicles they wished "would have been done" before the Modern Era line ended. Some of them probably have a few characters shared between them, but few of them are likely exactly the same.

Still, Hasbro never promised or even hinted that they were going to reproduce the entire 80's-Mid 90's run, and anyone who genuinely believed or even hoped that would happen was setting themselves up for disappointment.

Beyond that, if they'd gotten "everybody" done in classic form now, then there wouldn't be any "classic" characters to produce after the movie line runs its' course, to rope back in the folks that'll be skipping the movie toys.

[Jmacq1]

From what I understand, even Star Wars only "forecasts" out 3 years at most, and the plans for a given year don't "solidify" until about a year out. It's mostly just very tentative proposed product lists.

I can't imagine Joe is looking ahead further than that.

Though I agree that classic material is going to continue in some form or another. Some MOC people might be upset that it's not on the same cards as their ME stuff, but it's still going to be out there for the buying.

[Goudos]

I would not be too suprised if the majority of the Modern Era line is over. Most of the classic figures have been re-done. Those that remain I can see coming as additional 7-packs (Dreadknocks), tie-ins with the cartoon series coming on DVD and as Resoulte figures (Low-Light, Tele-Vipers).

[xhairs]

no it will just show we want more 25th then movie figs. BUt we have to show that we wont buy everything thats has g i joe on it.

[blackman2005]

I hope they keep the 25th line alive, I'm still waiting on modern versions of:
Lowlight
Lifeline
Cover Girl
Airtight
Dreadnocks (all of them)
Spearhead and Max
Artic Squad (Iceberg, Blizzard, Artic Stalker, Frostbite)
F-22 Skystryker
they have so much more to make for us, I am still hoping that they will continue this line like the Star Wars line and flood the aisles with 16 pegs of whatever....

[The Guy]

cool

[Mech-Viper]

while the movie has alot of the older lines in it toys
12in, 8in and 3 3/4 in it, I'm into the ARAH theme not the UN version of them, so perhaps the movie might change that, but lips on snake-eyes is kinda like nipples on batman , it just not right

[gunslingercbr]

while the movie has alot of the older lines in it toys
12in, 8in and 3 3/4 in it, I'm into the ARAH theme not the UN version of them, so perhaps the movie might change that, but lips on snake-eyes is kinda like nipples on batman , it just not right
I don't know how many times this has to be repeated, but the original Snake Eyes v2 has lips on it, so that is as faithful to RAH as anything done in the 25th line.

[Hicks_Royel]

Yeee-argh tis be another prophet of gloom and doom.

He's a witch, let's burn him at the stake!

[Skyw4rp]

I still have no idea why Hasbro would end the Modern Era, assuming that the toyline is successful in my opinion.

[Tanksmasher]

They're not going to end anything until people stop buying what they put out. When they get to the Eco Warriors, then you might see a decline...

[Hicks_Royel]

I wouldn't mind a new Cesspool and Toxo-viper/Zombie.

[Jmacq1]

Clean-Sweep wasn't bad, either (even if he should've been Airtight V2).

[bigdaddyblue73]

They're not going to end anything until people stop buying what they put out. When they get to the Eco Warriors, then you might see a decline...

They could realistically go five or six years before they get to that point. There is so much we haven't seen in a modern line yet, plus there have been a number of new figs--Cobra Flint, Arctic Snake Eyes, Pilot Scarlet, Wraith, Cobra Diver. The line could go on for quite a while before the really cappy stuff comes around.

[G.I.Eddie]

...And I'm as tired of seeing sarcastic "TEH 3ND UV DA L!NE!" comments as those people are of reading threads like this.
frankly, me too...its easy to not read a thread about something you're tired of hearing about, however, when reading a post, its sometimes too late when you realize you just read sarcasm thats been beaten to death...

and on subject, i wouldn' worry too much...unless the kids really hop on this movie bandwagon, i can't see these things fly'n off the shelves as MOST commments i read here are pro-movie, anti-bland toy...

[Mech-Viper]

I don't know how many times this has to be repeated, but the original Snake Eyes v2 has lips on it, so that is as faithful to RAH as anything done in the 25th line.
but the the original didn't

[DOC]

I don't think there is anything to be worried about... What....?? the movie is going to be so epic it's going to shove any chance of the ME line coming back out?? Is that what you guys r saying?

My gut tells me we will be fine :)

[DarthBrett]

but the the original didn't

Courtesy of M6D's awesome site.


Yes, it did.

http://www.joebattlelines.com/m6d/ARAHDatabase/1985/Wallpapers/SnakeEyesWP.jpg

[tuan_tran73]

from the first 2 wave pictures, I don't see movie Joe toys is a hit, again no one knows.

[gunslingercbr]

but the the original didn't
the point is that lips on SE's aren't some random inclusion that spoils the character design like nipples on a rubber suit because it harkens back to one of the earliest (and most iconic) versions of the character. there is no comparison to the nipples.

[thunderdan19]

I do enjoy any conversation that prompts Gunslinger to use "nipples" twice in one post. Hehe...

[gunslingercbr]

I do enjoy any conversation that prompts Gunslinger to use "nipples" twice in one post. Hehe...

I'd find a way to type nipples in every post but mods have warned me about my gratuitous tendency to irrelevantly use nipples in posts where the inclusion of nipples only detracts from the topic, so I have to use nipples sparingly.

[take2todd]

zandar, zarana, any of the classic figs we want, will only be done in resolute style. But if the movie is successful and we do get the kid's on board; there will be a dilemma with adult/resolute, then they will eventually water down resolute/maybe new series to get the kids in with us possibly?

[Mercenary696]

I imagine since the wave 5 vehicles is selling so well and I am sure that the new 7 packs will sell out shortly when the pre-orders start, Hasbro WILL notice this. They may be putting the classic line on hold, I am sure they will return.

However, I must say I really didn't care for the "movie" line version of Sgt. Thunder. I hope the other "classic" characters introduced in this line are better. I don't mind if they make a Low Light character (or any classic character) and incorporate them into the movie line, as long as they do a good sculpt job on them. Hasbro has done an amazing job of sculpting heads (minus Falcon) and producing the 25th line of figures. I have been extremely impressed with what has been produced so far, which is why I bought almost all of them (minus Falcon). I am going to pass on Sgt. Thunder and make my own.

Overall, I am just anxious to see Hasbro return to producing more of the classic/25th line - either through retail or online only.

[Hicks_Royel]

Clean-Sweep wasn't bad, either (even if he should've been Airtight V2).
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way.

As for Snake-eyes, it could be argued that the mouth seen in the original figure is the result of a super tight mask contouring to the features underneath and not a particular design in the mask itself. Still, as useless as the detail maybe be in the movie mask, it's a far cry from being as lame as the Batsuit in question.

[gunslingercbr]

I imagine since the wave 5 vehicles is selling so well and I am sure that the new 7 packs will sell out shortly when the pre-orders start, Hasbro WILL notice this. They may be putting the classic line on hold, I am sure they will return.

I'm sure Hasbro has noticed the demand for ME figures and vehicles well before the wave 5 vehicles and 7 packs. it isn't as if Hasbro put ME product on hold because they were unsure about it.

[Stoner]

Hiatus doesn`t mean cancel!!

[Mercenary696]

I'm sure Hasbro has noticed the demand for ME figures and vehicles well before the wave 5 vehicles and 7 packs. it isn't as if Hasbro put ME product on hold because they were unsure about it.

Of Course! They made it up to wave 14 because they were selling. My point was to address how some people felt the line was being cancelled because of poor sales.

[angrypandaink]

As long as there are more spring loaded weapons, weapons that squirt water, and neon colors!! LOL

[gi49er]

Yeah there a re a few randoms one I want from the later years, but other than LOWLIGHT! and Footloose who's left?

--Dusty
--Lifeline
--Airtight
--Jinx
--Law and Order
--Thrasher
--Hardball
--Repeater
--Covergirl
--Thunder
--Heavy Metal
Tollbooth

[Freedom]

I understand people's uneasiness, because in the last round of questions, when asked about 25th/ME returning in '10, Hasbro has said we can't confirm or deny right now. Usually when somebody doesn't confirm or deny it means the worst. BUT, being a Star Wars fan and reading the SW Q&A's, I've seen that Hasbro answers their questions VERY technically.

There's a couple of things that could be going on:
A) Things obviously change very fast with the G.I.Joe line, so they really can't predict what will happen in 2010.
B) They have plans that aren't finalized, so they're not going to give an answer yet.

No matter what some of you think, Hasbro hasn't abandoned the collectors. At the very least, we would possibly get classic characters as on-line exclusives. They have said they have plans for 2010, so we will get Joe in some form. It may be a Universe line that encompasses Classic, Movie, & Resolute figures, so technically it won't be 25/ME.

Hasbro knows what's best for their own property, and they have plans that have proven to work with Star Wars and Transformers. All you have to do is look at those to lines and apply the pattern to G.I.Joe and you can pretty much know what to expect.

[AMERICAN_Hero7]

Um...

[Jmacq1]

What I found interesting was in the previous Q&As, Hasbro seemed quite certain that "classic" product would be coming in 2010. The most recent Q&As seemed to be a little more circumspect in that regard.

This leads me to a theory: That there's some sort of animated series or other post-movie media tie-in that's cropped up into the mix. Whether an expansion of "Resolute" or (more likely) a new "all-ages" animated show, and Hasbro is now having to weigh the options between Classic, Movie, and new tie-in material.

Just a theory, but it seems like it could be quite likely, and would explain the sudden shift in tone pretty well.

[xhairs]

man there is a ton of 25th figs left. yes do the 90s and the 200 figs. to make them keep the line us fan have to show that we will not buy anything that has a g i joe on it. we have to show them we still want our 25th figs. the movie will not make as much as Tf ill be surprise if it does. I hate the tf movie figs. and wont buy them. if we make enough noise about the 25th line we will get it back.

[anti-hero]

25th, movie, resolute...it's all good to me. I'm just going to enjoy the ride for as long as i can. You never know what can happen. If you'd've told me 10 years ago that Star Wars would still be going as strong as it is now I woulda laughed.

And if you're worried about the line ending, just keep buying. The most important thing to remember is that Hasbro will always want your money.

[silence368]

Hasbro will do whatever it takes to give them more money. There's your answer. If movie triumphs, oh well. Find a new hobby.

[G.I.Eddie]

I'd find a way to type nipples in every post but mods have warned me about my gratuitous tendency to irrelevantly use nipples in posts where the inclusion of nipples only detracts from the topic, so I have to use nipples sparingly.

MODS, MOOOOODS!...do something!...he's outta control!...he said nipples, A LOT here...

["SR"]

If you've noticed though, they are already mixing in vintage figures with the movie line. Motor-Viper is the first that comes to mind.

[Stoner]

Nostradamus predicted the line will last until we are all dead!!

[thunderdan19]

If you've noticed though, they are already mixing in vintage figures with the movie line. Motor-Viper is the first that comes to mind.

You mean besides Scrap Iron, Snow Job, Thunder and StratoViper? :)

[metaphorge]

Everything will be shelved in favor of a G.I. Joe EXTREME revival line....

[Griff]

There plenty of vehicles and figures to do before the neon 90's stuff and hasbros refusal to give us any more classic looking stuff as opposed to just movie merch is a terrible decision. It will alientate and piss off many a fans becuase we no longer have a choice in what we want to buy. I mean pretty sure hasbro knows that if given a choice bwteeen a classic looking dial tone or movized version ( like that god awful bastardization of "deepsix") the classic dial tone would be the preffered choice so to elminate that inevtiiable peg warming movie version they just dont give us a choice, now While resolute looks good that duke, whos head still looks too much lliek van dammes guile from the first SF movie, doesnt look good and that cc has no poseability whith his curtain shaw and skirt. shockwave and Tr were good enough, though they coulda been much better.

[PitViper]

I cant believe this thread is happening...

[Steevy Maximus]

It will alientate and piss off many a fans becuase we no longer have a choice in what we want to buy.
Like Transformers did?

[Griff]

Well i know plenty of Tf fans who felt alienated by that. I personally don't collect much tf stuff so i personally don't know but i know TONS of folks who aint happy about devestators appearance in the new flick, as well as jetfire and his pimp cane.

[gunslingercbr]

What I found interesting was in the previous Q&As, Hasbro seemed quite certain that "classic" product would be coming in 2010. The most recent Q&As seemed to be a little more circumspect in that regard.

This leads me to a theory: That there's some sort of animated series or other post-movie media tie-in that's cropped up into the mix. Whether an expansion of "Resolute" or (more likely) a new "all-ages" animated show, and Hasbro is now having to weigh the options between Classic, Movie, and new tie-in material.

Just a theory, but it seems like it could be quite likely, and would explain the sudden shift in tone pretty well.
I agree. There's no doubt that if the movie is successful a cartoon will be coming, of which the major focus of the toys will be to support that. that doesn't mean classics will not be reintroduced along side them, just that fans should not expect that they will be the main focus of Hasbro's eye.

that's why Hasbro hasn't come right out and made a definitive statement -- they can't. things may change between now and then. Maybe the movie will bomb, nobody will want a cartoon, and Hasbro will have to reintroduce the classics as the main line until they come up with their next media endeavor.

[thunderdan19]

Well i know plenty of Tf fans who felt alienated by that. I personally don't collect much tf stuff so i personally don't know but i know TONS of folks who aint happy about devestators appearance in the new flick, as well as jetfire and his pimp cane.

OMG!!1! Deth of teh [Transformers] line!!! :)

(sorry, couldn't help myself...)

Carry on.

[Griff]

OMG!!1! Deth of teh [Transformers] line!!! :)

(sorry, couldn't help myself...)

Carry on.

do i have to get the evil rubber chicken of doom again? lol.

[darthdoug]

Is this thread still going?

[Zoltron]

I'd love to see a gi joe universe line.

Maybe then we'll get Pythona, Royal Guard, Night Viper, and so on.

[thunderdan19]

do i have to get the evil rubber chicken of doom again? lol.

No, no... not that. Anything but that!!!

**slumps in the corner shaking uncontrollably and muttering something in Spanish**

[Griff]

No, no... not that. Anything but that!!!

**slumps in the corner shaking uncontrollably and muttering something in Spanish**

DAMNIT!! you made me laugh so hard i soda through my nose...which burned slightly.

[firefly069]

Hasbro will do whatever makes them the most money!

1) All this speculation, people need to be patient. Hasbro did a good job with the modern era line thus far and were smart to shelve it. The fact that a $150,000,000 movie takes precedent is an obvious given here.

2) The fact that they are doing the 7 packs are because they already spent the money in tooling, and just like the two initial 5 packs that came out in summer 2007 I think these will fly off the shelves and make hasbro money.

3) The fact that Hasbro made a 3 movie deal for GI joe means if its successful then the movie style will be here to stay, if the first one is a success.

4) I am with you guys, even though I am not buying resolute, I think they are cool and a good direction for the future of the franchise...finally! If the cartoon does well, maybe they will get it on adult swim.

5)None of this isn't anything you guys don't know but it amazes me the lack of patience on this board. I mean I just bought one of each of the single carded figures just because Hasbro finally hit a home run with vintage styling, and that set me back probably $800-1000, some of you guys spend $1000's on these I would think it would be nice to have a nice break especially with the recession going on.

Anyway I like hearing the speculation because its interesting and there are a lot of good points to be brought up, though I laugh when people get all emotional over toys....

Question for you guys, if this line did end with the 7 packs would you really be that unhappy?... I mean they did do most of the iconic figures. Yes a few were missed out, but think of how many they actually accomplished and how many looked amazing. I could use a couple less Dukes, and CC's but other than that not bad!

[Griff]

yeah i gotta say i would be and AM upset...while yes lots of iconic characters were done and some goofy ones left out( raptor, crystal ball my personal guilty pleasure, sneak peek, ice cream soldier etc) there were some more cool ones like nightviper, fastdraw, spearhead n max, jinx, law n order lowlight and sci-fi to name a few that DEFINTELY needed a modern era figure.

[thunderdan19]

DAMNIT!! you made me laugh so hard i soda through my nose...which burned slightly.

Aha, my revenge is complete, mi amigo... Me gusta... Me gusta mucho!!! Ahahahahahahaha!!!

[Zefram]

Uh?

Footloose, Law & Order, Techno Viper, Monkeywrench, Thrasher, Dial Tone, Lifeline, Star Viper, Sci-Fi, Low Light, Cross Country, OD Green Leatherneck, and the entire Night Force team disagree with you.

You missed one, damn it! C'mon, I seriously want a Big Lob figure! How many friggin' decades dom I have to wait?!

I mean, can a brotha get some love here?!
http://www.frontrowking.com/Concert_Tickets/Pics/chris-rock.jpg

[thunderdan19]

You missed one, damn it! C'mon, I seriously want a Big Lob figure! How many friggin' decades dom I have to wait?!

I mean, can a brotha get some love here?!
http://www.frontrowking.com/Concert_Tickets/Pics/chris-rock.jpg

QFT! When justice is served, we can all sleep in peace, knowing that finally, truly, Hasbro did what should have been done decades ago... Until that time, I refuse to buy any GI Joe toys besides the ME and Movie lines, oh, and Resolute... but that's all!!! (unless they come out with something else cool...) I will not budge... okay, maybe just a little... :D

[guillermoarce]

I'm an adult now and as such I have buying power. I can spend a lot of money buying the things I want. So if want to buy all the gi joe collection I could. It will take me some time but I could do it it. My point is that if cashbro is too blind to see or too stupid to understand that the collectors have the buying power and determination to keep buying from a long time, then screw them I wont buy $#@ from this suckers and will find something else to spend my hard earn money. I came back to collecting because the new line caught my atention; immediatly bringing back memories of my happy days as a kid. Casbro if you read this threads know that we can very easily buy other stuff or dont buy anything at all. Just keep those 25th ann figures coming and resolute websoides too and figures.

[gunslingercbr]

I'm an adult now and as such I have buying power. I can spend a lot of money buying the things I want. So if want to buy all the gi joe collection I could. It will take me some time but I could do it it. My point is that if cashbro is too blind to see or too stupid to understand that the collectors have the buying power and determination to keep buying from a long time, then screw them I wont buy $#@ from this suckers and will find something else to spend my hard earn money. I came back to collecting because the new line caught my atention; immediatly bringing back memories of my happy days as a kid. Casbro if you read this threads know that we can very easily buy other stuff or dont buy anything at all. Just keep those 25th ann figures coming and resolute websoides too and figures.

oh no, Hasbro may loose a few thousand collectors but gain a few hundred thousand children. I don't think Hasbro is the one that is too stupid, they understand that potential quite well.

[Hicks_Royel]

Bring back the Alternators! Wait this isn't that thread...

[Mandingo Rex]

What I found interesting was in the previous Q&As, Hasbro seemed quite certain that "classic" product would be coming in 2010. The most recent Q&As seemed to be a little more circumspect in that regard.

This leads me to a theory: That there's some sort of animated series or other post-movie media tie-in that's cropped up into the mix. Whether an expansion of "Resolute" or (more likely) a new "all-ages" animated show, and Hasbro is now having to weigh the options between Classic, Movie, and new tie-in material.

Just a theory, but it seems like it could be quite likely, and would explain the sudden shift in tone pretty well.

I agree. There's no doubt that if the movie is successful a cartoon will be coming, of which the major focus of the toys will be to support that. that doesn't mean classics will not be reintroduced along side them, just that fans should not expect that they will be the main focus of Hasbro's eye.

that's why Hasbro hasn't come right out and made a definitive statement -- they can't. things may change between now and then. Maybe the movie will bomb, nobody will want a cartoon, and Hasbro will have to reintroduce the classics as the main line until they come up with their next media endeavor.

As much as I despise agreeing with you both at the same time, I expect a cartoon as well. :) In some form or another.

I think one of the reasons Resolute may be postponed is that they're re-calibrating it to include kids, by softening it a little bit. I can see them spending the money on a kids cartoon versus a cartoon aimed at adults, as much as I want it. I would rather get Resolute PG-ed down a tad so that kids are the target audience, instead of not getting it at all.

I mean, they could run Resolute geared to adults, and a kiddier version like TF: Animated, but I don't see them wasting the efforts to run 2 simultaneously. I'm hoping the kids' cartoon is closer to Resolute than some goofy square-chinned, big-superhero-gloved comic-relief cartoon, but in the end, if it's for kids, it's for kids.

I believe that they should be the target audience for the main line, as much as I love the revival classic stuff. It's silly to think otherwise that a toy company wouldn't target kids to try and breathe more life into their sales.

I could be completely wrong, but if Hasbro doesn't have a kids' cartoon to coincide with the movie, I think they're missing out on an opportunity to branch out more to kids and sell toys, toys, toys.

[Mandingo Rex]

Bring back the Alternators! Wait this isn't that thread...

It's been too long, and they were expensive. TUH D3@#T 0V DUH L!/\/E!

[NSP]

Hasbro did the same thing with the Transformers Classics. When the TF movie came out they put the Classics on hiatus. Same with GI Joe. Thing is....if theyre THIS close to almost completing the line with most everyones favs.....PLEASE dont quit now! And I know this line sold well.....

Im sure the movie line will be pushed through summer/fall/winter 2009. Hopefully the line bombs, and we get more ME figures ,vehicles! 'Cuz theres alot of figs vehicles we still need! (Lowlight, Footloose, Cover Girl, Life-Line, Law N Order, Muskrat....Skystriker, Whale, Dragonfly) to name a few..... :)

NSP

[Hicks_Royel]

It's been too long, and they were expensive. TUH D3@#T 0V DUH L!/\/E!
Never! There are so many left undone. I want a Blue Frenzy... and a Caddy Megatron. I can't settle for the Takara Alernity, I just can't. They look half finished...

At any rate, Joes'll live on, fortunately the primary line offers an articulation design and style that's fairly interchangable with the current releases. Not like TF Animated and Movie figures which just don't mesh. Or the two X-Men lines for that matter.

Edit: Ah nevermind...

[Mandingo Rex]

Never! There are so many left undone. I want a Blue Frenzy... and a Caddy Megatron. I can't settle for the Takara Alernity, I just can't. They look half finished...

At any rate, Joes'll live on, fortunately the primary line offers an articulation design and style that's fairly interchangable with the current releases. Not like TF Animated and Movie figures which just don't mesh. Or the two X-Men lines for that matter.

Edit: Ah nevermind...

Haha, I hear ya.

I was really irritated when they ended the line. I have many of the same issues with their character choices as I do with the 25th line, but all in all, the Alternators (and Masterpieces) and 25th line are the 2 reasons I got back into TFs and Joes.

I made a custom Ratchet, Ironhide, and Trailbreaker, with very little paint apps... with heads by Valkfan (he's a member here too), and turned the oddball extras into the missing Stunticons. I still am lacking a Bumblebee, which I consider to be one of the MAIN Autobots.

I was hoping with all the BTA 'bots that came with human drivers that we'd see a Bumblebee and Spike, but apparently that's not the case.

After Mindbender is released, I think all the "core" Cobras are done, and yes, I think the majority of the main Joes have been done, but there are a lot of second and third tier guys who I'd still love to see made.

I'd love to see the eventual return of the Alternators line and to see the 25th line continue, but I think all hopes are gone for the Alternator line, and the 25th has me worried. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

[Mandingo Rex]

I want a Blue Frenzy... and a Caddy Megatron.

By the way, I am extremely surprised they aren't doing a blue Frenzy as an SDCC exclusive, as much as Hasbro loves repaints. They totally aren't getting the obvious repaint potential out of that mold, and from what I hear, the licenses for the cars are good for Hasbro to use for at least a year or 2. Hell, we're still getting that S2000 "Arcee" and the damn WRX is still being repainted like 5 years after that body style went out of production.

Rumble is lonely without his brother.

The Megatron would be nice, but I can understand that the design was never turned into a production piece. The Jazz prototype exists, and I wish they'd get the license from Porsche to produce it, especially since the Audi R8 is going to be in TF2 now.

But I digress. Hasbro will most likely end the Modern Era Line...

[facehammer]

I was going to argue that point as well. I've been really happy with all of the new figures that have been added. I'd personally love to see some more environment specific repaints. (yeah, I said it. I'd like to see some repaints. Somebody get a rope) As long as they were well done of course.

We've seen some great customs of these types of figures in this forum and I'd be surprised if some of them didn't actually see daylight.



They could realistically go five or six years before they get to that point. There is so much we haven't seen in a modern line yet, plus there have been a number of new figs--Cobra Flint, Arctic Snake Eyes, Pilot Scarlet, Wraith, Cobra Diver. The line could go on for quite a while before the really cappy stuff comes around.

[Gatchaman]

As glad as I was to get all the core people Hasbro kept giving us I thought it an odd move on there part. If they really wanted this modern line to last they should have kept a lot of the key people off the shelves so us collectors would stick around untill they made them. Now if they decide to come back with the line they don't have as many key people to put out. This will make it hard to bring the collectors back and have them stick around. This line could have gone on for years.

That said there still are a lot of good figures left to make. But I think the most popular have been done.

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

Dude, the are some "freaks" (self included) that said they'd by a Tinker Bell version of Lady Jaye if they made it, don't you think there are 99.9% flat out die-hards out there and on here that will buy any turd hasbro shits out as long as it's in 25th style and on modern era cards and harkens back to yester-year. I said "AMEN'!

CAN A BROTHA GET AN AMEN!!

[Shin Densetsu]

The only time I've seen them revive a toy line is with Transformers Universe and they barely make any of those.
If barely means that Universe/Classics 2.0 was significantly larger than the first Classics line, then yes I agree.

Saying that Hasbro will kill off modern era/RAH for movie toys is like saying they'll never make G1 homages ever again in Transformers. TF the movie did extremely well yet what do we see infiltrate every aspect of Transformers merchandising and products time and time again?

[GrenadierStinny]

no it will just show we want more 25th then movie figs. BUt we have to show that we wont buy everything thats has g i joe on it. If we can send THAT message to Hasbro-- and they actually HEAR it-- that would be fantastic!!!

[verzeihen]

there is still about eighty good solid figs between the years 83' and 91' i would still like to see carded. and that is including about 20- 25 figs we have already gotten in comic packs , 5- packs, and battle packs. DUSTY, ALPINE, RIPCORD , RECONDO,HIT /RUN, LT FALCON, SHORT FUZE, BREAKER,GRUNT, BLACK BARONESS, SCRAP IRON, QUICK KICK,TELE VIPER, MAIN FRAME , LEATHERNECK, WET SUIT, DR MINDBENDER, CHUCKLES, OUTBACK, TUNNEL RAT, SHOCKWAVE, IRON GRENADIERS, ALLEY VIPER, RANGE VIPER, UNDERTOW.

plus what about these vehicles ?

APC
DRAGONFLY
SKYSTRIKER
BATTLE BEAR
WHIRLWIND
WOLVERINE
ASP
CHAMELEON
WHALE
SLUGGER
VAMP MARK 2
FERRET
HYDROFOIL
MAULER
NIGHT LANDING
MIRAGE
BRIDGE LAYER
SNOW CAT
NIGHT RAVEN
STUN
DELVILFISH
THUNDER MACHINE
HAVOC
TRIPLE-T
LCV
TOMAHAWK
MAMBA
WOLF
SLAM
SEA RAY
CONDOR
WARTHOG
HISS 2
FANG 2
RAZORBACK
MUDFIGHTER
EQUALIZER
LYNX
RAGE
HAMMER

I MEAN HASBRO IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING DONE WITH THE NEW MODER ERA LINE !

[The Conflict]

it is very ammusing to me how when i said this(a sucessful movieline will destroy our chances of having the ME line back) weeks ago,nobody agreed,i even had several people saying that i was being ilogical and tried to verbally attack me,but all of a sudden,so many people feel this way,even some of the people who we're trying to insult me...Hilarious

[Fidler]

Look at TF Universe Classics, or whatever they're called. Came back strong following an incredibly successful movie line. We can certainly hope for the same thing with Joes.

Now can people stop wringing their hands already?


Thats because its the 25th Aniversary of TF.

[Hicks_Royel]

By the way, I am extremely surprised they aren't doing a blue Frenzy as an SDCC exclusive, as much as Hasbro loves repaints...
That had been my hope as well, but Hasbro's too busy with getting fans the Classics line where they can. And they're good but everytime they reuse old molds from other lines it puts mud in the water for me. Though I am using a few classics to fill in my ranks, Megatron stands eye to eye with alt Prime and Bumblebee as a stand in Alt. Yeah the alt modes outta scale but I play him off as a go-kart of sorts. I just wish Cyclonus had been the next size up.

I did buy a few alt Rumbles so that I could paint one blue, then I got lazy.

Oh and the four horsemen of GI Joe doom rabble rabble...

[Griff]

If barely means that Universe/Classics 2.0 was significantly larger than the first Classics line, then yes I agree.

Saying that Hasbro will kill off modern era/RAH for movie toys is like saying they'll never make G1 homages ever again in Transformers. TF the movie did extremely well yet what do we see infiltrate every aspect of Transformers merchandising and products time and time again?

if by larger you mean trying to pass off armada/energon/cybertron molds as classic characters, for instance "Blaster" (the cybertron soundwave repainted) then yes it was larger...but if you mean by the number ACTUAL classic transformers put out...i think it may be right on par with the original run, with perhaps one or two more possibly thgan the first wave. And i don't consider those remolds of past lines classic characters. only the ones that are TRULY classic, ;ole hound, cylonus, smokescreem blustereak etc etc.

[Mainframe]

I would love to see some of the clasic playsets come back...... The biouvac, outpost command, jet pack jump set, cobra rifle range, ect..... these are small things that would appease classic joe fans and are relatively easy to make. We don't need a ton of new figs, but we do need "new something". And not to mention with playsets how can you not open these up for all MOC collectors? I couldn't help but purchase 2 of everything.

[xhairs]

man we have so many figs left to get. that it will not be hard to get us back in the line. from 83 to 91 left to be made.

[deadman69]

there are still alot of figures to be made, they need to stop makeing so many Dukes, Snake eyes, Cobra commanders and Storm Shadows an make some different characters, enough is enough already!

[spacemonkeymafia]

there are still alot of figures to be made, they need to stop makeing so many Dukes, Snake eyes, Cobra commanders and Storm Shadows an make some different characters, enough is enough already!

Welcome to the tank and yes your right!!!!

[xhairs]

there are still alot of figures to be made, they need to stop makeing so many Dukes, Snake eyes, Cobra commanders and Storm Shadows an make some different characters, enough is enough already!

man i have beeeeen saying that for ever now.

[xhairs]

If we can send THAT message to Hasbro-- and they actually HEAR it-- that would be fantastic!!!

thanks man i wish they would read this and listen to us.

[Barefoot Jedi]

I would be much, much, much better for the Joe fans if the movie does "Michael Bay Re-Invents All Transformers As Insecticons starring That Guy In Every Movie and WHITEHOT CHICK" numbers at the box office.

Yes, it means that for about two years we'd get nothing but movie stuff BUT I still think they'll do more things like the Thunder/Armadillo set which is basically a classic character/vehicle in movie packaging.

If the movie is successful then Resolute is sure to be released. If not, I think Hasbro might shelve Resolute or release it direct-to-DVD or in a set of action figures.

I wonder if this scenario will play out: Movie is DOA but toys are successful. Hmmm...has that ever happened before with a wide-release of toy merchandise?

If the movie toys are the pegwarmers and shelfwarmers I'm fearing they'll be (like Indiana Jones), that'll glut the market and make retailers more wary of GIJOE as a line again. So, for the sake of the progress of the line, I hope the movie succeeds and the toys do as well. I imagine failure of both would be dire for GIJOE, particularly under the economic conditions we presently have.

Imagine Marlon Wayons action figures on endcaps for $1 each that stores can't get rid of like some of the IJ action figures.

Even as a Joe collector, I must say I'm too low-class Whitetrashy to spend money just for the sake of supporting the line. I do plan to see the movie (a matinee) and get the Night Raven and Earth Borer but that's it. Well, maybe a couple of those Ice-Vipers, will wait and see. Oh, and maybe the COBRA SUV.

[Gatchaman]

There are a lot of figures left to be made. Hasbro could go for a few years just putting out the old vehicles that havn't been re-made yet. I like getting vehicles even more then I like getting figures. So they could do that and that would make me happy.

[Freekarrtt]

God I hope the movie line kills the Modern Era line just to spite you all ... man I just want to see the world burn today.

[Barefoot Jedi]

God I hope the movie line kills the Modern Era line just to spite you all ... man I just want to see the world burn today.

Well, actually, you know the attention span of collectors. They'd bitch for a day or two then move on to something else. And bitch about it.

One monkey don't stop no show, as they say.

This, too, shall pass.

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

I would be much, much, much better for the Joe fans if the movie does "Michael Bay Re-Invents All Transformers As Insecticons starring That Guy In Every Movie and WHITEHOT CHICK" numbers at the box office.

Even as a Joe collector, I must say I'm too low-class Whitetrashy to spend money just for the sake of supporting the line. I do plan to see the movie (a matinee) and get the Night Raven and Earth Borer but that's it. Well, maybe a couple of those Ice-Vipers, will wait and see. Oh, and maybe the COBRA SUV.

I am on the exact same page as you, I'm very choosey with what I'll purchase from the new line, and that movie has matinee written all over it.

[fhersanke]

hi im from mexico .so im screw i hope that not happend i love gi joe when i whas a child we dont have enougth money to buy that toy but now that i have a carrer and have the posibility to get those figures i really love the 25 figures are so cool and great i have like a month getting the figures and i have one figure left , blowtorch , one thing is clear the movie is gonna suck really i just watch the cobra commander and i realize that the movie stinks and whats the deal with ripcord is g i joe not scary movie

i have one question hasbro make money im talking about good money with the 25 th figures or lose money , because i dont get it

thanks and sorry for my english

[Shin-Gouki]

Look at TF Universe Classics, or whatever they're called. Came back strong following an incredibly successful movie line. We can certainly hope for the same thing with Joes.

Now can people stop wringing their hands already?

This!!!!

[Bravestarr]

Hasbro will do whatever makes them the most money!

...though I laugh when people get all emotional over toys....

...If this line did end with the 7 packs would you really be that unhappy?

http://images.nasioc.com/forums/images/forumlogos/NASIOC_Marty.jpg

[Gatchaman]

hi im from mexico .so im screw i hope that not happend i love gi joe when i whas a child we dont have enougth money to buy that toy but now that i have a carrer and have the posibility to get those figures i really love the 25 figures are so cool and great i have like a month getting the figures and i have one figure left , blowtorch , one thing is clear the movie is gonna suck really i just watch the cobra commander and i realize that the movie stinks and whats the deal with ripcord is g i joe not scary movie

i have one question hasbro make money im talking about good money with the 25 th figures or lose money , because i dont get it

thanks and sorry for my english

I see your kind of new here. Welcome to the Tank (hisstank.com) :)

[Mainframe]

God I hope the movie line kills the Modern Era line just to spite you all ... man I just want to see the world burn today.

I think this guy needs a free MOC Eel or a hug

[G.I.Eddie]

...If the movie is successful then Resolute is sure to be released. If not, I think Hasbro might shelve Resolute or release it direct-to-DVD or in a set of action figures.

that actually sounds great to me...if they really plan to show 5 mins evry week i will go nuts...having it out on one quick DVD would be sweet!

[silence368]

Hasbro will not ignore collectors but they are all in it for the money so I don't know what will happen to the line. God help it.

[gunslingercbr]

thanks man i wish they would read this and listen to us.
they do read this and they do listen to us. the 25th/ME line was geared towards us and they continuously released product that we clamored for, but now they are aiming for a different market, so what we want becomes irrelevant. and if the movie line is a big success, that will continue side by side with a line that also caters to us. Hasbro doesn't want to jettison any of its consumers.

[coola784]

i doubt hasbro will kill off the modern line, but they obviously arent going to release anymore for a while. im taking a break and saving some money which is a good thing.

[Crims]

Will it kill it? I dont know, but what i do know is Hasbro seems to have these willy wonka market researchers that seem to think all kids love spring loaded missiles, 40 versions of snake eyes. vehicles with sound effects and a whole lot of weird nonsense (aka Sigma). If these are the same guys that brought down the joe line in the late 80s i have a funny feeling we'll end up with tons more of these horrible sculps the movie line has already dished out and every one of our loved 80s vehicles having extremely huge spring loaded missiles that can't even be dremeled to look good again.

[fhersanke]

I see your kind of new here. Welcome to the Tank (hisstank.com) :)



thanks for the welcome dude

[CQBViper]

I doubt it. They can mine more figures from the 80s and 90s characters than a single movie.

[anyril]

they will just do what they did with the transformers toys and you will see ME stuff repainted and released with new packaging for the movie. than they will bring begin the ME 2.0 between the movies

[UnknownSoldier]

Movie will do fine movie figures will leave a bad taste in everyones mouth, 25th line has been too strong for has-been-bro to ignore the 25th line following. end movie line and produce the 25th again. story over case closed the end next subject please!

[UnknownSoldier]

Will it kill it? I dont know, but what i do know is Hasbro seems to have these willy wonka market researchers that seem to think all kids love spring loaded missiles, 40 versions of snake eyes. vehicles with sound effects and a whole lot of weird nonsense (aka Sigma). If these are the same guys that brought down the joe line in the late 80s i have a funny feeling we'll end up with tons more of these horrible sculps the movie line has already dished out and every one of our loved 80s vehicles having extremely huge spring loaded missiles that can't even be dremeled to look good again.

wouldnt it be funny to see a sigma 6 version of the movie line figures? did i just jinx something here?

[MeLikeJinx]

I think the popularity of the new 7 packs will ensure that the 25th line goes on for a wee bit more even if it means online exclusives only. Plus they have to release the rest of the Resolute figs eventually, so they will need some other ARAH figs to fill in the waves.

[Jmacq1]

I think the popularity of the new 7 packs will ensure that the 25th line goes on for a wee bit more even if it means online exclusives only. Plus they have to release the rest of the Resolute figs eventually, so they will need some other ARAH figs to fill in the waves.

Unless they release the Resolute figures in movie packaging. Just like that "movie" Firefly we saw last week.

[Sigma6_fan85]

With the recent Hasbro Q&A, it's pretty obvious that the upcoming Vehicle Wave 5 and the two 7-Packs are about all we're gonna get for the foreseeable future when it comes to the "25th" style line.

Yes, Hasbro is focusing on the Movie-Style line. But, no matter how the movie line fares, I think it might mean the end for the 25th style line.

If the Movie figures do well, then Hasbro will continue with their obvious plan to simply make figures of characters who do not appear in the film and make them "movie style".

I don't know about you, but I'm not really looking forward to Robo-Joe versions of all my favorite Joes.

So, if kids buy into the Movie line-- which I can almost guarantee that they won't. I think the movie figures will sit on the shelves till Christmas when they'll be discounted on clearance. But, if kids do but into the movie line-- then Hasbro will think "ka-ching!" and just keep going with that horrible looking line.

But-- if the line dies on the shelves and stores are flooded with Joe merchandise that they can't sell, then they won't be looking for new Joe product, and Hasbro will turn away from Joe, thinking that it's an unsuccessful line.

That means that the slow-build and rapport that they've created with the 25th Joe line will have all been killed to make way for movie figures that kids just don't care about.

Either way, the collectors who love the 25th line lose.

If the Movie figures do well, no more-- or VERY limited-- 25th style figures.

If the Movie line bombs, no more Joe product for a while-- period.

That's just how I'm predicting things.

Granted, they've covered most of the major characters that I've always wanted to see in the 25th line-- but there are still some great ones to be made!

Airtight, Jinx, Zandar, Zarana... and many, many more that are lesser fan favorites.

I just hope that Hasbro does not turn their backs on the 25th line and the collector's base that they've worked so hard to gain faith in again. But, I don't have a good feeling about things....

What do you guys think?



i think you should accept that GIJOE is changing for a new age and for new fans...---i am gonna buy them to support GIJOE.

[Griff]

you're right stinny...no matter what those who love the classic look to joes will lose out. Hasbro just seems to want to shove sigma six style down our collective throats for whatever ungodly reason. And so many people just fall into the oh theres nothing i can do about it so i just have to accept it mindset and that is just so sad cause there is PLENTY that the community can do as a whole if people would just do it and do it consistantly. I know i personally will not see the movie, buy the merch or patronize it in anyway until/unless they bring the classics back in full regular force not just as impossible to get online exclusives or as crappy looking joke repaints..like for instance bbq and "not deep six". those are the biggest slaps in the face since this movie project started.

[A.C.T.]

I don't think that any of that shit will happen. There's too much money too be made with Joes, whether 25th or movie shit. Hasbro got the drop on us collectors and are probably giggling there little money-grubbing asses all the way to the bank.
Think like this, if you were one of the bigwigs dealing this plastic crack, would you stop slinging and hustling cuz the new batch you have is garbage, and that fire you had is easly available? If that new shit don't sell, you dig in the crates and give 'em that good 'ole 25 joint.
Problem solved...at least in my hood.

[A.C.T.]

I think the popularity of the new 7 packs will ensure that the 25th line goes on for a wee bit more even if it means online exclusives only. Plus they have to release the rest of the Resolute figs eventually, so they will need some other ARAH figs to fill in the waves.

Oh, and what this dude wrote.

[Jmacq1]

you're right stinny...no matter what those who love the classic look to joes will lose out. Hasbro just seems to want to shove sigma six style down our collective throats for whatever ungodly reason. And so many people just fall into the oh theres nothing i can do about it so i just have to accept it mindset and that is just so sad cause there is PLENTY that the community can do as a whole if people would just do it and do it consistantly. I know i personally will not see the movie, buy the merch or patronize it in anyway until/unless they bring the classics back in full regular force not just as impossible to get online exclusives or as crappy looking joke repaints..like for instance bbq and "not deep six". those are the biggest slaps in the face since this movie project started.

How is it you assume the entire community agrees with your point of view? There seem to be a few people here that think the movie stuff has some merit, and are level-headed enough to realize that Hasbro rarely (if ever) abandons its' "classic" properties when they know money can still be made off of them. They might set them aside for a year or two, but they always come back.

But I know people would rather bitch about evil-demon Hasbro than try to take a long-term view. Or they'd rather swear up and down that Hasbro is (for some reason) going to treat G.I. Joe differently than it treats any of its' other major action figure brands, despite having shown established business models and patterns.

[Mech-Viper]

they are some who with jump at the chance to defend hasbro at every step of the way.
they are some who will hold hasbro to a higher standard, which honestly hasbro does do a great job along with screwing up to.

Gi Joe sells and that is the bottom line$$$. $$$ is the only thing hasbro cares about, before some even start just think about the lame ass answer about steeler's visor "to keep costs down"

If the Movie will kill the line , no GI joe has fought alot of things and not even hollywood can kill Gi Joe. As for the 25th line it's gone , over bye-bye but it will be back in a new form after the ROC because Hama may let them screw with the characters alittle
That’s the role that, ultimately, went to Ray Park, but Tatum says that Snake Eyes remains the coolest of the Joes simply because he never says word, a demand that the film’s creative consultant (and writer of the 80’s Marvel “Joe” comics) Larry Hama demanded resolutely.

“I think that the first and the one thing that he said was, ‘Okay, I’ll do this. But Snake Eyes can’t talk. No matter what, Snake Eyes can’t talk.’ At one point they had Snake Eyes saying one line or something like that at the end of the movie and he’s just like, ‘Never. Never in a million years. I’m never going to let that happen.’ So he doesn’t.”