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elgoodo
02-23-2009, 03:52 AM
I was just thinking about the new IDW comic and how they're rebooting the whole G.I.Jow "mythology", I also read the 5 page preview of G.i.Joe orgins wherein Duke is being recruited by Hawk. That being said, I guess its follows that the "original 13" lineup that we all grew up with (Flash, Short Fuze, Stalker, Breaker etc) doesn't exist.

So I was just wondering, if you were in charge of rebooting the series, and you had ALL the joes to pick from, who would your new "original 13" be? Ok you don't necessarily have to have 13...any decent number would do. And it would be cool to hear your reasoning over your line-up aside from "they're my favorites". ha ha

Bravestarr
02-23-2009, 04:06 AM
I was just thinking about the new IDW comic and how they're rebooting the whole G.I.Jow "mythology", I also read the 5 page preview of G.i.Joe orgins wherein Duke is being recruited by Hawk. That being said, I guess its follows that the "original 13" lineup that we all grew up with (Flash, Short Fuze, Stalker, Breaker etc) doesn't exist.

So I was just wondering, if you were in charge of rebooting the series, and you had ALL the joes to pick from, who would your new "original 13" be? Ok you don't necessarily have to have 13...any decent number would do. And it would be cool to hear your reasoning over your line-up aside from "they're my favorites". ha ha

I am actually OK with incorporating Duke into the original 13 and calling it the original 14.

Here is why:

Every Army unit MUST have a senior NCO. I don't care if it's a Squad, Platoon, Company, Battalion, Brigade or Division asset.

IT MUST HAVE A SENIOR NCO!!!!

That said, Duke is the 1SG for the GI Joe team, so I am fine with him being an original 14 greenshirt.

COL Hawk is the CO, and 1SG Duke is the NCOIC.

The rest of the Joe team follows the instructions of Duke, while Hawk maintains the Command.

Think of the relationship between LTC Moore and CSM Plumley in "We Were Soldiers."

That is the ideal relationship between a Commanding Officer and Senior NCO.

elgoodo
02-23-2009, 07:09 AM
so you think they're actually keeping the original 13? would be cool if they did!

BigFore
02-23-2009, 04:11 PM
Wasn't Stalker the NCOIC in the original comic?

Not mad at them for including Duke, but just curious.

Troynos
02-23-2009, 04:15 PM
Wasn't Stalker the NCOIC in the original comic?

Not mad at them for including Duke, but just curious.

Yeah, Stalker was supposed to be the First Sargeant of the Joe team, and then along came Duke.

The original 13 may or may not exist in the new IDW-Joeverse. And I'd assume that it doesn't since issue #2 or #3 has Heavy Duty appearing in it (and please don't get started on the Heavy Duty vs Roadblock name debate, it's old, it's been changed, don't bring it up again).

Moses
02-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Has it been confirmed that there are 13/14? If not, who says they can't have more or less? It is a reboot after all

Troynos
02-23-2009, 04:20 PM
My 13 starting Joes -

1 - General Hawk
2 - Flint (Hawk's XO)
3 - Lt. Falcon (field leader)
4 - Tunnel Rat (EOD)
5 - Beachhead (Special Ops - ranger)
6 - Torpedo (Special Ops - SEaL, and make him look like a SEaL and not a diver)
7 - Roadblock (heavy weapons)
8 - Clutch (vehicle driver)
9 - Backblast (anti-aircraft)
10- Scarlett (intelligence)
11- Stalker (Special Ops - Ranger)
12- Hit & Run (Special Ops - Mtn Trooper)
13- Recondo (Special Ops - Jungle Trooper)

I think that's the best mix of what the Joes have and would need to function as a highly effective/covert operations group.

minstrelboy
02-23-2009, 04:51 PM
I am actually OK with incorporating Duke into the original 13 and calling it the original 14.

Here is why:

Every Army unit MUST have a senior NCO. I don't care if it's a Squad, Platoon, Company, Battalion, Brigade or Division asset.

IT MUST HAVE A SENIOR NCO!!!!

That said, Duke is the 1SG for the GI Joe team, so I am fine with him being an original 14 greenshirt.

COL Hawk is the CO, and 1SG Duke is the NCOIC.

The rest of the Joe team follows the instructions of Duke, while Hawk maintains the Command.

Think of the relationship between LTC Moore and CSM Plumley in "We Were Soldiers."

That is the ideal relationship between a Commanding Officer and Senior NCO.

While this is all true of most Army units, the Joe team is comprised of the most elite from all branches of the military, so traditional structuring would be a bit more (or less) complicated. Yes , you'd need a team leader, and that would most likely be an officer, but the difference between NCO's and officers are less-defined in crack teams (like GI Joe) than they are in regular military units.

That being said, my original 13 would still be the original 13. I was actually working on a restructuring project a little bit ago, where the teams were broken down into Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, etc. teams mostly based on original release (ex: Alpha team - 1982, Bravo team - 1983, etc.). Now, this doesn't work out exact, so you need to juggle some around, but drawing on the Joes released from 1982-1994, ditching the ones I don't really care for, making sure that each team gets roughly the same amount of MOS types (it's tough with medics and radio specialists, so look at their secondary MOS - ex: Stalker is a medic). That's basically how I'd do it.

Other Joes that I'd like to keep, but don't especially fit into this structure (like Sgt. Slaughter) would be part of a readiness training force.

Melissa
02-23-2009, 04:54 PM
I love the original 13 but Zap why no Zap?????????? (CRYING) :(

Troynos
02-23-2009, 04:54 PM
The problem with that approach is that (for example): Roadblock and Repeater are both Rangers/Machine Gunners, where Rock 'n Roll is regular army.

So an elite unit would have Roadblock or Repeater on their Alpha team.

Melissa
02-23-2009, 04:56 PM
...where the teams were broken down into Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, etc.

I was going to do that too. lol strange.

Lifeline_MD
02-23-2009, 04:58 PM
no O13 is needed for the new continuity. The whole team is there. They can never replace the 1982 O13 in my mind anyway.

DeliriumSerum
02-23-2009, 04:59 PM
The Marvel series was great the way it was, but reboots are ok.

Troynos
02-23-2009, 05:00 PM
no O13 is needed for the new continuity. The whole team is there. They can never replace the 1982 O13 in my mind anyway.

They're refering to Origins, where the Joe team is shown to be recruited.

The main series has the entire team in place, Origins does not.

Lifeline_MD
02-23-2009, 05:00 PM
I know, but still.

bigdaddyblue73
02-23-2009, 05:04 PM
My 13:

Hawk
Duke
Roadblock
Gung Ho
Snake Eyes
Scarlet
Stalker
Ripcord
Snowjob
Clutch
Shipwreck
Torpedo
Grunt

minstrelboy
02-24-2009, 08:55 PM
Aw come on! Why do they have to reboot it? The Marvel series was great the way it was.

ExACTly...

I hear a lot about people saying this and that about phobias about changes made...well, I for one am sick of never being given a proper screen adaption of anything EVER. Even if the movie does turn out being good (and the cases are rare), it's still not the way the book was, or the way it was in real life. But we typically get movies where the name of the franchise/book stays the same, and a few character names and minor plot elements stay the same, but the story is something entirely different. Why? I have no problem with borrowing thematic elements from other literary storylines, or traditional folklore, or classic movies - but if you're not going to keep it as it was originally intended, then make it your own.

Example: Bladerunner. This is a loose adaption of Philip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" (although I always thought it should have been called Do Androids Count Electric Sheep), so the name is already different. The stories have very little to do with each other, aside from a detective hunting down rogue androids. But even the reasons for this are different. And yet, we still have the all the character names the same. The book and the movie, while I enjoy them both, are two wholly different stories, where the characters have the same freaking names. And I find this bothersome, for some reason.

Now we have what feels like the 100th reboot of GI Joe - from the original soldier, to Action Man, to the A Real American Hero most of us grew up with in toy, Marvel comic and cartoon variations, to Mega Marines, to Sgt. Savage, back to the 12" line, Image and DD comics, Joe Vs. Cobra, Venom Vs. Valor, DTC, 25th and Modern era - now we have the Rise of Cobra, Resolute and the new comic series...there's too much convolution here. Can't we put it back the way it was for a while? I'd much rather have Joe: The Next Generation, with all-new characters and vehicles and enemies, than have to deal with my well-known childhood companions being forced to go through another realignment of some capitalist corporate machine again...

Every time you rewrite these characters (who were perfect from the start), you just cheapen it a little more.

samantha
02-24-2009, 09:02 PM
I don't mind a reboot, they can be good for the line, even if that line is a comic.