HASBRO, What's up????

[deathvalleymachine]

although Heavy Duty has been making the rounds as one of the main newcomers to the Joe Movie, if this is TRUE, I am disgusted by the news!!!!!!

Hasbro stated earlier on their website that GIJOE the Movie was going to be a modern telling of the GIJOE vs. Cobra line from 25 years ago...Heavy Duty didn't make the toy line till the late 90's and couldn't be involved in a classic telling of a Joe tale. Further more Roadblock is a main character in the 25th anniversary line - really annoying, leaving me scratching my head...I hope Brian Goldner could make a change and say Yo!!!, Heavy Duty is a joke compared to Roadblock and Marvin should be in the movie long before Lamont. Goldner being the CEO of Hasbro GIJOE shoud know and understand the importance of this inacuracy...

For all the amazing news of the other castings and for the amount of years I have dream't and prayed for this movie...I have now officially threw out my ticket opening night and saying goodbye...

If your not going to do this right.....don't do it at all....I get it now, waiting since 1983 for this was the biggest waste of my life

soooooo disapointing....

[Irid70]

Uh, it's one unconfirmed character name. More importantly, the actor cast in the role is a damn good choice no matter what the code-name of the character is. Let's not go jumping off any bridges before the movie even starts shooting, folks.

[gunslingercbr]

mountain out of a mole hill. if this movie is successful, there will be one or two more -- plenty of opportunity to introduce Roadblock into the story. every single character does not need to be in the first film, so why does everything always have to be such a big deal?

HD is as much a part of GI Joe as Roadblock, and his inclusion in no way violates some unwritten rule of who should be in the movie. besides, you'll probably hate the character portrayal in the movie and wish he wasn't Roadblock when you see it, and just moan about that.

[C.I.A.D.]

Also, FYI...Heavy Duty was in the original ARAH run, regardless of how late in the game he came...so for all intents & purposes, Hasbro is keeping true to the "modern telling of the GIJOE vs. Cobra line from 25 years ago".

[Kambei]

Let's be honest, if you want to be anally nitpicky, they should stick to the original 13.

I will be going to see it whatever. As has been said, plenty of time in future movies.

[deathvalleymachine]

Uh, it's one unconfirmed character name. More importantly, the actor cast in the role is a damn good choice no matter what the code-name of the character is. Let's not go jumping off any bridges before the movie even starts shooting, folks.

The Actor in the role is a damn good choice....I agree...the character should be ROADBLOCK and not HEAVY DUTY...and yes, the code-name is a major issue?

[deathvalleymachine]

mountain out of a mole hill. if this movie is successful, there will be one or two more -- plenty of opportunity to introduce Roadblock into the story. every single character does not need to be in the first film, so why does everything always have to be such a big deal?

HD is as much a part of GI Joe as Roadblock, and his inclusion in no way violates some unwritten rule of who should be in the movie. besides, you'll probably hate the character portrayal in the movie and wish he wasn't Roadblock when you see it, and just moan about that.

Why would Heavy Duty be introduced before Roadblock?, if you were honestly a collector back starting in 1983 and followed the cartoon, comic and toyline - it WOULD make a dif' to you... why would I moan about the character portrayal if he was Roadblock? Obviously you were still in diappers when I was playing with the original aircraft carrier...nuff' said

[deathvalleymachine]

Also, FYI...Heavy Duty was in the original ARAH run, regardless of how late in the game he came...so for all intents & purposes, Hasbro is keeping true to the "modern telling of the GIJOE vs. Cobra line from 25 years ago".

Learn your GIJOE before you post, FYI - 1985 saw the inclusion of a vehicle driver by the name of Heavy Metal. Heavy Duty didn't see the line until 1991...nice try though!!!

And no, Hasbro is not sticking to the modern telling!!!

[deathvalleymachine]

Let's be honest, if you want to be anally nitpicky, they should stick to the original 13.

I will be going to see it whatever. As has been said, plenty of time in future movies.

I like the quote anally nitpicky, they don't have to stick to the original 13...just not insult such a great character like Roadblock, if it wasn't for Hasbro's unskilled character making and actually releasing a Heavy Duty figure with an original Roadblock mold I probably wouldn't have anything to say....but an inaccuracy of releasing a press release to the fans openly stating that the movie would be a modern telling of a GIJOE vs. Cobra tale and turning around and over jumping one of the greatest Joe characters of all time for a loser??????? Come on people...I dont get it...I was surprised to see Roadblock as part of the 25th anniversary line and that alone gave me instant relief that Roadblock would be in the movie, but, then again - Heavy Duty is in it? Hopefully Hasbro will clear this up soon...

They obviously sat and talked about Breaker being a superior character over Mainframe and Dial-tone...High-Tech falls in the same boat as Heavy Duty, it was a no brainer to include an original Joe ... Breaker was still a minor character compared to Roadblock - whats the give???

[Gentleman]

Heavy Duty didn't see the line until 1991...nice try though!!!

Precisely, what C.I.A.D. is trying to say is that Heavy Duty does belong to ARAH's original run, despite how late in the game he came to be. We could even go as far as to say that ARAH "as we know it" lasted till '94. So Heavy Duty is definitely "in".

Still, I know that most of us would pick Roadblock over Heavy Duty anyday.

[deathvalleymachine]

Precisely, what C.I.A.D. is trying to say is that Heavy Duty does belong to ARAH's original run, despite how late in the game he came to be. We could even go as far as to say that ARAH "as we know it" lasted till '94. So Heavy Duty is definitely "in".

Still, I know that most of us would pick Roadblock over Heavy Duty anyday.

Heavy Duty's character was NOT part of the original run in the Marvel comics (which the movie is suppose to based from), was NOT part of Sunbows GIJOE cartoon run (in anyway shape or form). Heavy Duty was created by Hasbro but was not written by Larry Hama, Heavy Duty was a bad replica of Roadblock in the second reincarnation of GIJOE due to rights and was endorsed by DIC Cartoon creators - which sucked and didn't even come close compared to the original.

[Gentleman]

IF you will be seeing this movie when it comes out, be sure to take some valium with ya :p

[deathvalleymachine]

IF you will be seeing this movie when it comes out, be sure to take some valium with ya :p

I really don't understand why everyone is so happy about Heavy Duty being casted over Roadblock? I guess there ain't as many original G.I. Joe Die-Hards on this board as I thought there would be....

[Gentleman]

Woah, not so fast. Don't judge those around you.

I'm not happy at all about this Heavy Duty deal myself.

BUT...

1) We still don't know for sure if the character will indeed be Heavy Duty. It could still be Roadblock. Doubtful, but possible.

2) I think there are much bigger concerns.

What really matters is whether the film will be good "AS A FILM", not that much "AS AN ADAPTATION". Sticking to comic or cartoon "canon" will not guarantee a good film. In fact, it could very well mean the opposite.

That being said,

I actually DON'T want this film to be a copycat of the comic or the cartoon. I want this to be a new take. Sure, I also want them to keep the essence of the mythos. Otherwise, this wouldn't be a new "take", it would be another universe altogether.

So, YES... if they can use classic characters and keep their essence, that's great. If not, well... we all have our limits. For now, I don't mind them using the name "Heavy Duty" instead of "Roadblock" (because the character in the film will most probably be a hybrid).

As for why they would use the name Heavy Duty and not Roadblock? Who knows. Maybe because of Sigma 6 and kids.




Have faith.

[bigbadwolfdaddy]

I can give a frack less who is in and what codename it is.Just make it Joe vs Cobra with a Destro,Baroness,Duke,S.E and S.S which if last I knew was happening and I will see it 50 times and still by the damn DVD.So quit groaning

[WildWeasel]

I can give a frack less who is in and what codename it is.Just make it Joe vs Cobra with a Destro,Baroness,Duck,S.E and S.S which if last I knew was happening and I will see it 50 times and still by the damn DVD.So quit groaning

Thanks for saying it BBWD. This is already turning into the same whine-fest that the G1 TF loyalists did. Don't go see it if it's not what you want, but let's keep "it" to a minimum until we have more things actually confirmed. For all we know, Heavy Duty is just a placeholder name for Roadblock still. And if not, BIG FREAKIN' DEAL!

Like BBWD said, long as it's Joe vs. Cobra -- with CC, Destro, Baroness, Duke, Scarlett, SE and SS, the rest is just icing on the cake. I just want an entertaining movie that is based on the G.I.*Joe with a modern feel to it. They can use characters from '82 to '92 for all I care (just as long as they aren't wearing anything florescent! ;) ). Don't loose faith in Hasbro yet. We are all just working off rumors at this point with only a few things actually confirmed.

[Shogi]

It's funny that there's backlash about Heavy Duty POSSIBLY being picked before Roadblock.....but no one cares that Duke is showing up before Hawk? If Heavy Duty is truly just a lame replacement for Roadblock, well what do ya think Duke is?

It's a code name, I'm willing to bet that's the only change there will be. The movie character Heavy Duty will probably be exactly like Roadblock just with a different name. I see no problem here

And to get really nitpicky, technically Hama never wrote GI Joe, he adapted his original army team to fit into the Hasbro made GI Joe team. Also, according to JMM's GI Joe Comic Encyclopedia, Heavy Duty appeared in the original marvel run in issues 130 and 131

[Gentleman]

Besides...

Back in the day, there were already differences between the cartoon, comic and toyline. I remember being confused about it, but in the end I accepted the fact that each medium was a different interpretation of the same mythos.

Film, as another medium, won't be the exception.

[the_loud_master]

aw come on! i was pissed when the guy from scary movie guy was gonna be unnamed heavy machine gunner. but im okay with heavy duty if that's what hes gonna be! and dont diss the moderators. its not smart idea.

[gunslingercbr]

It's funny that there's backlash about Heavy Duty POSSIBLY being picked before Roadblock.....but no one cares that Duke is showing up before Hawk? If Heavy Duty is truly just a lame replacement for Roadblock, well what do ya think Duke is?

It's a code name, I'm willing to bet that's the only change there will be. The movie character Heavy Duty will probably be exactly like Roadblock just with a different name. I see no problem here

And to get really nitpicky, technically Hama never wrote GI Joe, he adapted his original army team to fit into the Hasbro made GI Joe team. Also, according to JMM's GI Joe Comic Encyclopedia, Heavy Duty appeared in the original marvel run in issues 130 and 131
all he deathvalley seems to want to do is insult and whine, so no amount of reason will cause him to behave otherwise.

[deathvalleymachine]

Woah, not so fast. Don't judge those around you.

I'm not happy at all about this Heavy Duty deal myself.

BUT...

1) We still don't know for sure if the character will indeed be Heavy Duty. It could still be Roadblock. Doubtful, but possible.

2) I think there are much bigger concerns.

What really matters is whether the film will be good "AS A FILM", not that much "AS AN ADAPTATION". Sticking to comic or cartoon "canon" will not guarantee a good film. In fact, it could very well mean the opposite.

That being said,

I actually DON'T want this film to be a copycat of the comic or the cartoon. I want this to be a new take. Sure, I also want them to keep the essence of the mythos. Otherwise, this wouldn't be a new "take", it would be another universe altogether.

So, YES... if they can use classic characters and keep their essence, that's great. If not, well... we all have our limits. For now, I don't mind them using the name "Heavy Duty" instead of "Roadblock" (because the character in the film will most probably be a hybrid).

As for why they would use the name Heavy Duty and not Roadblock? Who knows. Maybe because of Sigma 6 and kids.




Have faith.

My statement was:

"I guess there ain't as many original G.I. Joe Die-Hards"

I was not talking about you or anyone in particular, I enjoy most of your posts very much - just my opinion on the Heavy Duty - Roadblock Fiasco!!!

[deathvalleymachine]

I can give a frack less who is in and what codename it is.Just make it Joe vs Cobra with a Destro,Baroness,Duke,S.E and S.S which if last I knew was happening and I will see it 50 times and still by the damn DVD.So quit groaning

Its a given whom you've mentioned, they will all be in the film...I would like standards followed, thats all!!!

I, like you, will see this film 50 times regardless of whom is in it, just wish Roadblock was in it over Heavy Duty.

[deathvalleymachine]

Thanks for saying it BBWD. This is already turning into the same whine-fest that the G1 TF loyalists did. Don't go see it if it's not what you want, but let's keep "it" to a minimum until we have more things actually confirmed. For all we know, Heavy Duty is just a placeholder name for Roadblock still. And if not, BIG FREAKIN' DEAL!

Like BBWD said, long as it's Joe vs. Cobra -- with CC, Destro, Baroness, Duke, Scarlett, SE and SS, the rest is just icing on the cake. I just want an entertaining movie that is based on the G.I.*Joe with a modern feel to it. They can use characters from '82 to '92 for all I care (just as long as they aren't wearing anything florescent! ;) ). Don't loose faith in Hasbro yet. We are all just working off rumors at this point with only a few things actually confirmed.

I have not lost Faith yet - but as quoted, Hasbro did mention it would follow the original comic and Heavy Duty was not part of it...

I am a Placeholder name hopeful!!!

[heatviper]

^ Honestly as long as they don't ruin the brand as a whole I don't care what characters are involved, I'm just glad that they made (making) a movie, just my 2 cents ;)

[deathvalleymachine]

It's funny that there's backlash about Heavy Duty POSSIBLY being picked before Roadblock.....but no one cares that Duke is showing up before Hawk? If Heavy Duty is truly just a lame replacement for Roadblock, well what do ya think Duke is?

First of all - both Duke and Hawk will be in the movie, chances are that Heavy Duty and Roadblock will not share the big screen together - bad example.

It's a code name, I'm willing to bet that's the only change there will be. The movie character Heavy Duty will probably be exactly like Roadblock just with a different name. I see no problem here

And to get really nitpicky, technically Hama never wrote GI Joe, he adapted his original army team to fit into the Hasbro made GI Joe team. Also, according to JMM's GI Joe Comic Encyclopedia, Heavy Duty appeared in the original marvel run in issues 130 and 131

I never said he wrote GIJOE - many collaborators did - I was insinuating he wrote the file cards that created the characters that created GIJOE.

[deathvalleymachine]

It's funny that there's backlash about Heavy Duty POSSIBLY being picked before Roadblock.....but no one cares that Duke is showing up before Hawk? If Heavy Duty is truly just a lame replacement for Roadblock, well what do ya think Duke is?

It's a code name, I'm willing to bet that's the only change there will be. The movie character Heavy Duty will probably be exactly like Roadblock just with a different name. I see no problem here

And to get really nitpicky, technically Hama never wrote GI Joe, he adapted his original army team to fit into the Hasbro made GI Joe team. Also, according to JMM's GI Joe Comic Encyclopedia, Heavy Duty appeared in the original marvel run in issues 130 and 131

As for Heavy Duty appearing in the Marvel run - I highly doubt it - and have the entire collection - will check when I get home - many sorries about the case if he was in it. I dont recall ever seeing him in it whatsoever - the only book I have ever collected and read...

[deathvalleymachine]

all he deathvalley seems to want to do is insult and whine, so no amount of reason will cause him to behave otherwise.

A great debate with real Joe fans is what keeps this board going - as for debating something you believe in, I will keep bringing up strong points - was Heavy Duty in the original mini-series? was he part of the team when Serpentor was created? was he part of the team when the cartoon movie rolled around? no he wasn't - so my huge question to everyone is the following:

Out of every single Joe character in the Joe Universe, why the heck did they pick Heavy Duty?

[Recondo]

I have a couple issues with heavy duty in them, its near the end of the run back in the mid 90's, when....oh wait for it...the toy came out before the end of ARAH in 94-95

[deathvalleymachine]

aw come on! i was pissed when the guy from scary movie guy was gonna be unnamed heavy machine gunner. but im okay with heavy duty if that's what hes gonna be! and dont diss the moderators. its not smart idea.

Don't diss the moderators? its not a smart idea?

explain? what did I do or say to warrant such a strong statement...

Are u insinuating that moderators on this board are the ultimate GIJOE guru's - facts are facts, buddy, and as a fan I would much prefer seeing an original than a tag along...that is my only point...I love coming to this site because it has the most up to date news, the best debates and the best damn Joe fans on the internet - The moderators do a splendid job and they were never in question - Heavy Duty was...

[Compulsive Collector]

Why would Heavy Duty be introduced before Roadblock?, if you were honestly a collector back starting in 1983 and followed the cartoon, comic and toyline - it WOULD make a dif' to you... why would I moan about the character portrayal if he was Roadblock? Obviously you were still in diappers when I was playing with the original aircraft carrier...nuff' said Overreacting and throwing a tantrum on the internet doesn't make you a more "real" fan than gunslingercbr, C.I.A.D., or anyone else. For example, I got my first Joe toys and comics in 1982, not '83, and I don't like the idea of skipping Roadblock for Heavy Duty at all, but you don't see me doing the online equivalent of a bratty toddler not getting his way in the toy aisle.

Learn your GIJOE before you post, FYI - 1985 saw the inclusion of a vehicle driver by the name of Heavy Metal. Heavy Duty didn't see the line until 1991...nice try though!!! The original ARAH action figure line was still going in 1991, so nice try, yourself.

[Phorpus]

Why do you sound drunk?

And a debate is fine, but you seem more interested in stating a point and then flaunting your knowledge about to anybody who argues with you.
Not to mention you seem extremely passionate about something that's actually pretty trivial.

[Shogi]

I, like you, will see this film 50 times regardless of whom is in it, just wish Roadblock was in it over Heavy Duty.


All this "debating" would have been avoided had your first post in this thread been like this one.

I think a lot of people (myself included) viewed your first post as making a mountain out of a mole hill because of the wording.

Here's to hoping the movie makes ALL Joe fans happy!

[Irid70]

Not to mention you seem extremely passionate about something that's actually pretty trivial.


And there's the key, and the reason this whole argument is ridiculous. We have no idea if the character is going to be Heavy Duty or Roadblock or some composite of both, or which character he is going to be primarily based on. And so what if he's called Heavy Duty? Can anyone give a single logical reason why the code-name of a fictional character in a movie that is still in the casting stage is a reason to be panicked and outraged?

And really, what do you expect? That Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje is going to be in a $170 million movie spouting stupid rhymes because that's what Roadblock did in the cartoon? Is that what anyone wants? I sure hope not.

The movie is going to be different from the cartoons and comics. Period. Several people have already said that, but I figure it never hurts to keep repeating it.

[the_loud_master]

Don't diss the moderators? its not a smart idea?

explain? what did I do or say to warrant such a strong statement...

Are u insinuating that moderators on this board are the ultimate GIJOE guru's - facts are facts, buddy, and as a fan I would much prefer seeing an original than a tag along...that is my only point...I love coming to this site because it has the most up to date news, the best debates and the best damn Joe fans on the internet - The moderators do a splendid job and they were never in question - Heavy Duty was...
well they can kind i dont know.... ban you?! plus you were talking to a moderator, mr. top poster ciad!

[the_loud_master]

Why do you sound drunk?

And a debate is fine, but you seem more interested in stating a point and then flaunting your knowledge about to anybody who argues with you.
Not to mention you seem extremely passionate about something that's actually pretty trivial.
All of this is very true. Idk about the drunkedness but I agree with the rest.

[gunslingercbr]

A great debate with real Joe fans is what keeps this board going - as for debating something you believe in, I will keep bringing up strong points - was Heavy Duty in the original mini-series? was he part of the team when Serpentor was created? was he part of the team when the cartoon movie rolled around? no he wasn't - so my huge question to everyone is the following:

Out of every single Joe character in the Joe Universe, why the heck did they pick Heavy Duty?
because he has BECOME a significant part of G.I. Joe in the last 7 years, and there will be plenty of people in the audience who will recognize him. the movie may be based heavily on the concepts from the original cartoon and comics, but that doesn't mean it is going to follow it to a tee. this is a new telling based on old concepts.

I am certain that the film makers aren't analyzing appearances from the cartoon and comic to determine who and what will be in it and when. it is arbitrary and silly to say only characters who appeared in the cartoon before Serpentor should be in the movie when the fact is G.I. Joe is much bigger than that narrow view. the problem isn't Hasbro for not adhering to your arbitrary and narrow opinion, it is your arbitrary and narrow opinion.

we are all glad you are here to voice your opinion and debate the subject so passionately, but unfortunately you still have not provided one sound reason why the character should not be Heavy Duty.

[sharke]

Obviously you were still in diappers when I was playing with the original aircraft carrier...nuff' said

I guess there ain't as many original G.I. Joe Die-Hards on this board as I thought there would be....

all I've gotten from this thread is that deathvalleymachine is a pompous old sh*t. dude, grow the hell* up and stop throwing a temper tantrum cause others aren't crying about no Roadblock.

Heavy Duty is a mainstream character from the original ARAH. he also is big from the past lines which will gives him name recognition. which will help the movie and ultimately the brand.

and on a side note, put on one post.....not four


plus you were talking to a moderator, mr. top poster ciad!

no you can talk smack to him

*yes, I too greatly appreciate the irony and humor of telling someone older than me to grow up on a toy fansite

[WildWeasel]

Honestly, not trying to start anything, but you seems to be a little wishy washy here, first you said...

For all the amazing news of the other castings and for the amount of years I have dream't and prayed for this movie...I have now officially threw out my ticket opening night and saying goodbye...

If your not going to do this right.....don't do it at all....I get it now, waiting since 1983 for this was the biggest waste of my life

soooooo disapointing....

then you say...

I, like you, will see this film 50 times regardless of whom is in it, just wish Roadblock was in it over Heavy Duty.

So are you going to see the movie regardless of casting and all other things Hasbro does that you don't like or have you "thrown your ticket out"? Just saying, take a stance and stick with it.

[tile_mcgillus]

Wow. What craziness here. I don't think anyone is jumping for joy that it is Heavy Duty over Roadblock. HOWEVER, I am sure there is a reason... The reasonable answer lies somewhere in a possible copyright fiasco, name infringement, a tie into the later fans of GIJOE...etc, etc.

I really hope that Steven Sommers doesn't go about intentionally alienating GIJOE fans like Michael Bay did to TF fans. I guess well know if Destro is entirely covered in spikes.

The Heavy Duty will most likely look like Roadblock... the actor cast resembles RB ten times more than HD.

[Beyerstein]

Using Heavy Duty instead of Roadblock is pretty annoying and I think people should whine about it as much as they can.

[gunslingercbr]

Using Heavy Duty instead of Roadblock is pretty annoying and I think people should whine about it as much as they can.
dear god, I hope this was a joke.

I am still waiting for an iron-clad argument for why RB deserves to be in the movie more than HD, and personal preference doesn't count.

[sharke]

dear god, I hope this was a joke.

I am still waiting for an iron-clad argument for why RB deserves to be in the movie more than HD, and personal preference doesn't count.

you'll be waiting awhile. I'd prefer Roadblock but I understand why Heavy Dutys being used. hes got greater name recognition with the new generations, which will help the movie and in turn help the brand.

[Monkeywrench]

This is bad news. I can barely remember Heavy Duty, Roadblock has always been a vary important figure imo.

[SnakeEyes]

Okay...I agree that RB was probably the more influential character between the two! However, as I was reading through these posts, something occured to me!

For those of us out here who want the movie to be "more realistic", what do you think the chances of the writers actually using the characters' call signs are anyway?! I mean that IS all it is anayway is a nickname. And if Hasbro decides to use a "more realistic" approach, wouldn't it seem more likely that they refer to each other as "Sgt. Hauser, or Gen. Abernathy"?

In the military, call signs are used primarily for radio traffic, so I don't doubt that the writers could find SOME use for them. But I'm not sure just how much we would hear them! IF, and I know absolutely nothing, but IF that's the case...then I don't care whether they use "Roadblock", "Heavy Duty", or "The Easter Bunny", as long as the character is written well!

[WildWeasel]

Okay...I agree that RB was probably the more influential character between the two! However, as I was reading through these posts, something occured to me!

For those of us out here who want the movie to be "more realistic", what do you think the chances of the writers actually using the characters' call signs are anyway?! I mean that IS all it is anayway is a nickname. And if Hasbro decides to use a "more realistic" approach, wouldn't it seem more likely that they refer to each other as "Sgt. Hauser, or Gen. Abernathy"?

In the military, call signs are used primarily for radio traffic, so I don't doubt that the writers could find SOME use for them. But I'm not sure just how much we would hear them! IF, and I know absolutely nothing, but IF that's the case...then I don't care whether they use "Roadblock", "Heavy Duty", or "The Easter Bunny", as long as the character is written well!

THANK YOU! We should be more concerned with the overall story and quality of it than worrying about if they use Roadblock or Heavy Duty. Though I'm sure they'll be using the "Codenames" because that's a huge part of whole G.I.*Joe appeal. But you make a great point.

[arch2b]

correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the need for code names was due to them being a special forces type unit to combat cobra? thus the use of code names to hide real identities. what your saying does make sense if, in my opnion your talking about regular ground forces military which the joes never were.

[gunslingercbr]

correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the need for code names was due to them being a special forces type unit to combat cobra? thus the use of code names to hide real identities. what your saying does make sense if, in my opnion your talking about regular ground forces military which the joes never were.
if Cobra were real and interested in world domination -- a large scale goal -- they would hardly be interested in personal vendettas against individual soldiers -- a small scale goal -- thus there would be no reason to protect identities. code names were simply a way to make the toys more dynamic, not some reflection on the conflict. besides, nearly every characters file name is known, thus if Cobra knew the code name they could easily find out the file name to single out individual soldiers, so there is no protection in the practice of code names whatsoever.

[C.I.A.D.]

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[ceraurus]

Just to add one more thought...

Since Hasbro is undoubtedly trying to reach a larger audience, perhaps they’re thinking that the name Heavy Duty would make more sense to the average moviegoer than the name Roadblock, given his specialty.

[arch2b]

i disagree. i recall there being an episode inwhich cobra attempted to steal the personell files just so they could find thier real names thus retaliate using family members, etc. this reinforces the purpose of using code names over file names as a means of protection and that joe protected this information.

again, i could be wrong as i have not seen any episodes in atleast a dozen years.

[gunslingercbr]

i disagree. i recall there being an episode inwhich cobra attempted to steal the personell files just so they could find thier real names thus retaliate using family members, etc. this reinforces the purpose of using code names over file names as a means of protection and that joe protected this information.

again, i could be wrong as i have not seen any episodes in atleast a dozen years.
I'm not disagreeing with that, that it was incorporated in the comics or cartoons to be more dramatic. but, like I said, very few Joe's file names were classified, meaning their file names were essentially visible parts of their military records and thus the code names offered very minimal protection whatsoever, so they couldn't be that important of a security measure. if that is not the case, then there was no reason to distinguish Snake-Eyes' file name as classified on the file card but not other members because they should all be classified.

obviously SE's file name was made Classified to make the character more mysterious and dramatic, and that is why the characters were given code names as well. a toy named Stalker is far more exciting and appealing to a child than Sergeant Lorenzo Wilkinson....yawn.

[arch2b]

i see your point and agree with the likely motives, etc. and the unlikely use in a realistic setting however i agree to diagree regarding it's purpose/use in joe cartoon/comics. :) again, i always remember all the identities being secret, not just a select few. if there are examples otherwise please refresh my memory, it's been a long time :) were there ever consolidated graphic novels for the gi joe comic line? i'd really need to go back and read the stories. reading thru this forum makes it clear just how much joe info i have forgotten over the years.

yep, found my answe... i'll have to hit up the comic shop to get the volume editions however i only see vol. 1 and 2 so it doesn't seem like they went very far with it?

[Onslaught Six]

The movie character Heavy Duty will probably be exactly like Roadblock just with a different name.

So, like Heavy Duty in general.

Seriously. Heavy Duty is despised 'because' he's a cheap Roadblock ripoff. There's not one thing unique about this guy.

I even remember in the SpyTroops movie, Heavy Duty sucked at cooking and everyone laughed and compared him to Roadblock.

[sharke]

i disagree. i recall there being an episode inwhich cobra attempted to steal the personell files just so they could find thier real names thus retaliate using family members, etc. this reinforces the purpose of using code names over file names as a means of protection and that joe protected this information.

again, i could be wrong as i have not seen any episodes in atleast a dozen years.

I agree with you. armies and terrorists actually do hunt down specific soldiers, particularily special forces units. keep in mind also, many deltas do use code names or aliases.

So, like Heavy Duty in general.

lmao

[deathvalleymachine]

After a day of sitting on it, I still feel as though Roadblock should not be overlooked - Although I must say, your great responses prompted me to do my homework.

I came to a sad conclusion that Heavy Duty does in fact belong with the ARAH line.

Optimism: They will use both characters in the film and we will see a huge Joe team for this movie.

(wink'n) If they used Michael Clarke Duncan as Roadblock it would def' make him the dominator of the two.

Just my two cents...

Points:

Heavy Duty is a character from the G.I. Joe series of toylines, comics and cartoons.

His original file card indicates his real name is Lamont A. Morris of Chicago, Illinois. He serves as the G.I. Joe Team’s heavy ordnance specialist with a passion for classical guitars and Bach. He is described as being unafraid of any situation despite heavy enemy fire.

The first appearance of Heavy Duty was in the 1991 edition of the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero toyline. Although he appeared in very minimal roles in other G.I. Joe media, Heavy Duty was still able to attain some level of popularity despite appearing late in the series. He is one of very few characters from that time to crossover to the G.I. Joe revival in 2002 and is included in G.I. Joe: Sigma 6. He has had several editions of action figures since then.

In other media, Heavy Duty first appeared in issue #130 of the G.I. Joe comics published by Marvel Comics. He was among the group of Joes who defended the Pit from an assault by Cobra. He did not appear again until an issue in the comics published by Devil’s Due. He was also featured in the second season of the second animated series. In both comic and cartoon incarnations, he had a fairly generic personality and no mention is made of his love for classical music.

In the G.I. Joe: Spy Troops CGI animated film, Heavy Duty returns with a more colorful personality albeit as one who loves explosives. It is mentioned in the film that he is Roadblock’s cousin. Like his relative, he shares the same passion in cooking, if not the skills.

Thank our friends at Wikipedia, they had the most accurate info.

[Xerofall]

Issue 131.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e213/Surlon/GI%20Joe/131.jpg

'nuff said :)

[deathvalleymachine]

Issue 131.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e213/Surlon/GI%20Joe/131.jpg

'nuff said :)

He was in both, nuff' said :)

[Xerofall]

Yeah I know, I like to provide visual evidence when other members need to eat crow. ;)