clues to new figures for 2008

[ultramax]

after looking through all 3 5pack box art in the back, i have come up with this hypothesis, these will be the remaining joes coming out in 2008

dr mindbender
bats (confirmed through questionaire !!)
zandar
iron grenadier trooper
snow serpent
covergirl
bazooka
dusty
jinx
roadblock v2
quickick (confirmed through questionaire !!)
tele viper
big boa
law and order

the logic is why would they take the time to rescan the artwork or create new ones if they are not going to use it in their
future single pack packaging... they have hundreds of joes to choose from... why these...

the nerd mind at work

[Irid70]

Hasbro has recently stated that Covergirl, Jinx, and Snow Serpents are not in the plans. The word on the Snow Serpents was a while ago, so who knows if that has changed...but Cover Girl and Jinx were specifically said to not be on the 08 list.

[SnakeEyes]

Snow Serpent, Covergirl, and Jinx have already been shot down...I don't remember where I read it, but Hasbro said those characters were not in there short term plans.

Sorry, we must have posted this at the same time!

[redxavier]

Bummer on the Snow Serpent.

There was also the clue about a character with a life-jacket (to be reused for Cutter). Some have said a Lamprey, but it's too different. Comic pack Deep Six?

Big Boa in 2008 would be such a waste.

[G.I.Eddie]

Big Boa in 2008 would be such a waste.

I KNOOOWWWW...i hope this rumor never sees the light if day

[The Commander]

There will be another Serpentor, most likely with Air Chariot released. Hasbro said in a Q&A they had plans to release the original version after the backlash for the current 25th-styled one.

[Gung.Heaux]

Bummer on the Snow Serpent.

There was also the clue about a character with a life-jacket (to be reused for Cutter). Some have said a Lamprey, but it's too different. Comic pack Deep Six?

Big Boa in 2008 would be such a waste.

i agree, in full, on both points...snow serp and boa.

[BHiga6181]

They carefully said that the Snow Serpent wasnt in the plans for the basic figure line.

Never said anything about the comic two packs.

I find it very hard to believe that we wont see an iconic cobra trooper such as Snow Serpent.

Between the 64 single carded figures (Counting the ones from 07 and the 40 they said will be the low # for 08) and the 48 figures from comic packs (07 packs and 18 packs for 08) for a total of 112 figures, not counting battle packs, the 5 five packs that will have a comic in each pack (another 25 figures)....Im pretty sure we will see Snow Serpent.

I also agree with all figs on the 5 packs will be produced...

You also forgot the Python Patrol Trooper (they ahve already confirmed Tiger Force Flint) and the Cobra EEL...

Im sure we will all get our figs....and I for one like Big Boa, I hope he shows up in some form or another.

[KRYART]

Snake Eyes and Jinx 2 pack

[the_loud_master]

Snake Eyes and Jinx 2 pack
i could kinda see that. How about Shippy and Cover Girl 2 pack.

[Blackdragon]

There will be another Serpentor, most likely with Air Chariot released. Hasbro said in a Q&A they had plans to release the original version after the backlash for the current 25th-styled one.

Yup. I even like the ddp version. But i just wish they would have made him exact to the comic version. He's a lot different. And give him the air chariot from the comic. Damn i would have bought a lot more than 2.

[xFlintx]

That really sucks we won't be getting Cover Girl...

But not to get the snow serpent is blasphamy

[Xerofall]

I could be wrong... but this topic comes up all the time.

Could it not just be a random assortment of pictures in a collage, just to have a random assortment of pictures in a collage?

[CaptainDinobot]

the logic is why would they take the time to rescan the artwork or create new ones if they are not going to use it in their
future single pack packaging... they have hundreds of joes to choose from... why these...

the nerd mind at work

I thought of that too, however the U.S.S. FLAGG is on there too so I don't think it means anything.

[G.I.Eddie]

...Could it not just be a random assortment of pictures in a collage, just to have a random assortment of pictures in a collage?

seriously!...it's like everyone thinks the creators of Lost got together with Hasbro to put bread crumbs on the packaging...for a lot of reasons, I hope these pics are random and are just coincidently matching up with the figs already released

[BHiga6181]

Ive worked in the toy and advertising industry long enough to know a company, especially one such as Hasbro doesnt just randomly pic box art to use...

And I also find it odd that at least 80% of the characters on those boxes have either been released or confirmed...

Also if it was random, why change the box art so subtile with the second cobra pack? That only costs $$$ and if there wasnt a reason for it, why would Hasbro waste the $$??

And after seeing that damn Butterscotch Horse that has been such a flop and at every damn Target and Walmart...I wouldnt put it past Hasbro that IF the joe line continues a strong as it started, that the Terrordrome or USS Flagg wouldnt reappear.

[karamazov80]

There will be another Serpentor, most likely with Air Chariot released. Hasbro said in a Q&A they had plans to release the original version after the backlash for the current 25th-styled one.
C'mon classic Zartan with the Swamp Skier!

[DarthBrett]

I would certainly hope they are planning a classic Zartan! And I would love to get a new update of Big Boa in this line! As for Deep Six.....he didn't even wear a life vest/preserver, he wore a deep-sea diving suit.

[Gothiczartan]

let's see how bats and quick kick will turn out to be.

for quick kick,
I hope they don't add a small red dot on his white headband, in the cartoons and the marvel comics he only has a plain white headband (NO red dot!)

it would be cool if a cobra bat can be fully detailed with a working claw that opens and closed.

[sharke]

ok, one last thought on the Snow Serpent

HASBRO, MAKE THE DAMN FIGURE!

[G.I.Eddie]

C'mon classic Zartan with the Swamp Skier!
you guys can make a belly shirt Zartan if you want to, just use Gung-Hos lower torso, plus Zartan will have some freak'n ripped abs!...if no one tries it i will

[Nemesis*Prime]

I'd rather have a new Big Boa then Major Bludd, Wild Weasel, or the twins. And now that Zartan, Buzzer, Ripper, and Torch have been covered when are we going to see plans for a 25th Zandar?!
Although I'm bummed about the Snow Serpent it's not as important as some of the other COBRA troops I'd like to see make the list (like a new IRON Grenadier or Techno-Viper). Besides the big H has a habit of changing their minds on a day to day basis so we might just see plans for a Snow Serpent down the line.

[G.I.Eddie]

I'd rather have a new Big Boa then Major Bludd, Wild Weasel, or the twins...
WHAA, WHAA, WHAAAAT!!!!?

[WildWeasel]

I'd rather have a new Big Boa then Major Bludd, Wild Weasel, or the twins...

WHAA, WHAA, WHAAAAT!!!!?

Exactly my thoughts too! What!?!? BB before Major Bludd?!? Wild Weasel?!? The Twins?!? No freakin' way!

[redxavier]

No Snow Serpent in 2008 doesn't mean that he'll never get the 25th treatment. Remember folks, keep a watchful eye on the context of the questions and the answers.

[mattmanw54301]

Ya. Remember, this line should go all the way till the Joe movie, which is August 2009. Plenty of time earlier in 2009 to get Snow Serpent out. I hope this style will continue for the movie line. I digs it.

[DaViper]

My take on the box art debate is that every figure drawn in 'card art' style will be made.

[Gothiczartan]

I want to see joes get made in 25th figure style!

blowtorch
mutt and junkyard
ripcord
deep six
airborne
airtight
barbecue

[Stygian]

I want to see joes get made in 25th figure style!

blowtorch
mutt and junkyard
ripcord
deep six
airborne
airtight
barbecue

Finally, somebody said it! Thank you!!

After all of the "please make Snow Serpent" (which I don't disagree with btw), I'm ready for some of the earlier Joes as listed above.

Also, lest we forget Eels, who absolutely deserves a 25th style makeover in '08.

[Hicks_Royel]

Okay, who wants the BATs to feature the classic "hologram" chest sticker, and who wants for Hasbro to add actually molded detailing?

Personally, I want them to have the molded detailing only if they have some sort of clear plastic window. Thing is, given the new body types [split torso], I don't think either option is likely.

So... since I have brought up the box art theory more than once myself, let me offer another idea.

When Hasbro originally made up the collages, they made sure to include the most notable characters from both the Joe and Cobra sides. That is, they picked characters known to be fan favorites or to have had leading roles in either the comics or cartoons.

That being the logic, there's no reason why these shouldn't also be the figures that are released in the 25th line because they're the characters that people recognize both from fandom and childhood memory.

[DarthBrett]

you guys can make a belly shirt Zartan if you want to, just use Gung-Hos lower torso, plus Zartan will have some freak'n ripped abs!...if no one tries it i will


I'm still waiting for my Zartan to arrive in the mail, but I already have a spare Gung-Ho ready to make that same exact custom.

[SHIPWRECK"N"POLLY]

This box hypothesis is something i also subscribe to and if you look closely "BILLY" is on the back of the cobra legions box. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

[tkprime]

If looking at the comic packs is any clue on vehicles (Now just a guess, but look for yourself) Hiss (DTC version) Rattler (new proper A-10 Design) And the breaker destro 2 pack has what appears to be a repaint of the R.O.C.C. cab or the front of the Rolling Thunder!

[Hicks_Royel]

On converting Zartan...

Why would a man who is deathly allergic to sunlight expose more skin?

[DarthBrett]

Very good point, but I still want my Zartan to more closely resemble the original 1984 version. I always thought that the Dreadnoks and Zartan wore tank tops and T's because they lived in the hot and steamy swamps of the South.

[Hicks_Royel]

Yeah, I can see that... Plus it was the 80's.

[Xerofall]

I would love to see this Zartan mod when someone finishes it.

[Hicks_Royel]

I would've sworn I saw a custom on ebay not too long ago of similar design.

[fightingswords]

I would certainly hope they are planning a classic Zartan! And I would love to get a new update of Big Boa in this line! As for Deep Six.....he didn't even wear a life vest/preserver, he wore a deep-sea diving suit.
see marvel sm#1

[Xerofall]

^^^

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e213/Surlon/GI%20Joe/Deepsix.jpg

:D (Not SM1, but this is from issue 36.)

[DarthBrett]

Well, that's not the Deep Six we all grew up with or would probably want made!

[DarthBrett]

I would've sworn I saw a custom on ebay not too long ago of similar design.

I saw the one you are talking about. It was on ebay maybe 3 weeks ago I think. I actually put a bid on it, but I didn't want to pay more than $15 for something that was very easy to make on my own.

[Shogi]

^^^

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e213/Surlon/GI%20Joe/Deepsix.jpg

:D (Not SM1, but this is from issue 36.)


Hmmm, I see a Beachhead body with Shippy legs and a Flash head. Just add a life vest and you got Deep Six!

[Xerofall]

Ive worked in the toy and advertising industry long enough to know a company, especially one such as Hasbro doesnt just randomly pic box art to use...

And I also find it odd that at least 80% of the characters on those boxes have either been released or confirmed...

Also if it was random, why change the box art so subtile with the second cobra pack? That only costs $$$ and if there wasnt a reason for it, why would Hasbro waste the $$??

Why is issue 9 of the comic on the box art twice then? Seems to have no reason other than random. If it's some plan, then why spend $$$ on puzzling advertising by putting the same pic of issue 9 on the box art?

I'm going for random collage... ;)

[Hicks_Royel]

I saw the one you are talking about. It was on ebay maybe 3 weeks ago I think. I actually put a bid on it, but I didn't want to pay more than $15 for something that was very easy to make on my own.

Yeah, it looked good but I never bid on it myself. Still, we know how much Hasbro loves to reuse molds and redesign Characters, I'm sure there'll be another Zartan down the road if the series lives long enough.

[Stygian]

Since news of this "give the Box Set art another look" broke I've been checking mine also, and it really is uncanny how many of the figures pictured on those boxes have been made or are rumored to appear in future waves. As mentioned in previous posts, I guess that's good news for Dr. Mindbender, Major Bludd (a fav' of mine), and Billy fans, as all three plus others are on there!

[G.I.Eddie]

I'm still waiting for my Zartan to arrive in the mail, but I already have a spare Gung-Ho ready to make that same exact custom.
Soooooo, did ya "git er done" yet?...BTW, that is by far the worst line to ever become popular...i hate it!...i said it just to i could make fun of it...damn hillbillies!


... Plus it was the 80's.
AHHHHAHAA...good stuff

[Compulsive Collector]

Why would a man who is deathly allergic to sunlight expose more skin? Or more importantly, why would a collector in the 21st Century be so obsessed with bad '80s fashion statements? ;)

I'm going for random collage... ;) BHiga6181 is right on the money when he says there's no way Hasbro chose that stuff at random. That doesn't mean everything on the box art will be produced, but it does provide a good window into what they were thinking for the line. He stumped me, however, with this:

And after seeing that damn Butterscotch Horse that has been such a flop and at every damn Target and Walmart...I wouldnt put it past Hasbro that IF the joe line continues a strong as it started, that the Terrordrome or USS Flagg wouldnt reappear. I'm not sure how someone who claims to work in the toy industry could honestly believe that. You saw so many of them over the past couple of months because it was last year's item. Remember the second year of Tickle Me Elmo? Hardly a "flop", the pony was not only a rousing success, but THE hottest toy of the 2006 holiday shopping season. There isn't anywhere near the kind of market for a Flagg or Terror Drome as there was for that creepy thing.

[Hicks_Royel]

Or more importantly, why would a collector in the 21st Century be so obsessed with bad '80s fashion statements? ;)

The world may never know...

[DarthBrett]

Okay, so I did my Zartan custom figure using Gung Ho's arms and torso, but now I don't know if I want to paint Zartan in his comic/original figure art colors (white chest pad), cartoon colors (blue chest and knee pads) or silver with a slight bluish/green color to it (the original '84 figure's color). I'm kind of leaning towards the figure's colors or the comic book/old figure art colors. Just wanted some second opinions before I choose.

[Hicks_Royel]

Eh... I'd think the silver is a more likely option. The white probably is only the result of lacking better colors for the comics.

[Gothiczartan]

can we ask hasbro if they can make blowtorch, ripcord and mutt w/junkyard?

they are all time fav joes of the 80s!

[DarthBrett]

Here's the look I think I was leaning towards the most (especially since he doesn't have the shoulder, pads which matches Gung-Ho's arms).

[Hicks_Royel]

Yeah... looks a chrome finish to me. Again, Zartan, a man allergic to sunlight... exposed skin, light reflecting chrome armor. And he appears to have a healthy tan too.

I realize none of it has to really make any sense since it's a toy of a fictional character, but come on...

[DarthBrett]

I still need to touch up and tidy up the paint job a little, but the figure turned out better than I thought it would.

[the_loud_master]

Nice work DarthBrett!

[DarthBrett]

Thanks! I like this version of Zartan a lot more than what Hasbro made (I know the exposed skin doesn't make sense on the character, but this version captures the '80's punk/biker gang appearance that made Zartan and the Dreadnoks so cool)!

[Stygian]

but this version captures the '80's punk/biker gang appearance that made Zartan and the Dreadnoks so cool)!

Great custom, Brett! And lest we forget that characters as garrishly dressed and decked out as the Dreadnoks would need a leader equal to the task of matching their fashion sense. After all, generally soldiers take their lead from the top, right?

[Stygian]

can we ask hasbro if they can make blowtorch, ripcord and mutt w/junkyard?

they are all time fav joes of the 80s!

I just don't see how we can NOT get versions of these guys, seeing as how they meant so much to the heyday of all things 80's GI Joe. To be honest, I'd be really quite shocked if we didn't at least see Blowtorch and Mutt/Junkyard. Ripcord, I'm not so sure. He was a H-U-G-E favorite of mine as a kid, but I have no idea if my fervor and fondness for the guy is indicative of all Joe fandom or simply localized to just me and maybe a select few.

[DarthBrett]

Going off of what people said (just on this site) in the favorite year poll, I'd say 1984 is a year where just about every figure is immensely popular and could be redone by Hasbro.

[Compulsive Collector]

I still need to touch up and tidy up the paint job a little, but the figure turned out better than I thought it would. Okay, I can't begin to tell you how happy it made me to see Hasbro go with the updated look for Zartan in the 25th Anniversary line. It was, with no exaggeration, the Zartan figure I'd been waiting for since I was a kid. The photo of 25th Zartan was what made me commit to obtaining a complete collection of the line, and especially to buying duplicates for a loose display. It was the proverbial straw, and all that. I absolutely hate the half-shirt look, and it always bugged me that such a cool character got saddled with such a lame aspect of an otherwise awesome design.

Now having said all that, you did a terrific job there, DarthBrett. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't impressed.

[The Commander]

I still need to touch up and tidy up the paint job a little, but the figure turned out better than I thought it would.


That Zartan is sweet! I'd buy that off the shelves!

[DaViper]

nice work DarthBrett! Is that a straight repaint on the lower torso or did you swap it out?

[Monkeywrench]

I still need to touch up and tidy up the paint job a little, but the figure turned out better than I thought it would.


It looks great. I like it.

[Hicks_Royel]

Lower torso seems a little lanky... but its still a great looking figure Darth. But now you gotta find you some cold sensitive paint.

[thunderdan19]

I still need to touch up and tidy up the paint job a little, but the figure turned out better than I thought it would.

DB, I'm very impressed, and that doesn't happen easily. I like it much better than the original 25th fig. You ought to make a few more to sell. I know I'd like to get one. If he had looked like that in the package, I wouldn't have waited so long to pick him up.

[DarthBrett]

Thanks all for the positive feedback. Recipe (really simple)

Head, chest, hands, legs - Zartan
Arms, torso, crotch - Gung-Ho (since the new Ripper and Torch also use the same torso piece, you could use those, too. Torch also uses the same arms and crotch. So use Torch if he's easier to find.)

I painted his gloves and boots all black and also painted his shoulder straps, elbow straps and outer knee pads black. I ended up painting his chest pad and knee pads with a shiny silver to make them seem more reflective in appearance. I had to mix 3 paint colors to repaint Gung-Ho's crotch piece to match Zartan's reddish brown pants and I also repainted the belt to be all black.

His torso is a bit lanky (but it's the same torso that's used for Ripper and Torch, too, so I think it works). Also, after placing Gung-Ho's arms into his chest-piece, I noticed that his shoulders were quite loose. So before you glue him back together, just put some tissue or paper towel into the chest piece. This helps fill up the cavity enough to make the shoulder movement stiff again. The only thing I wish I could add is some sort of shoulder pieces to match the original's costume better.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the new Zartan that Hasbro has given us. But I wanted to make a Zartan that resembled his original costume more closely.

[Stygian]

Don't get me wrong, I do like the new Zartan that Hasbro has given us. But I wanted to make a Zartan that resembled his original costume more closely.

And that's the beauty of custom jobs like yours! Yeah, you did a great job, Brett. Hopefully someone at Hasbro is taking notes. (smile)