Why would Destro/Baroness/etc.. go along with Golobulous' plan?

[Troynos]

So the big bad honcho of Cobra-La planned to release mutagenic spores that would mutate mankind and make them mindless mutants.

So why would Destro, Baroness and the rest of the human Cobra forces go along with that plan?

Sure they're scared of Serpentor and Golobolous, but why would they willingly destroy humanity? They always wanted to take the world over and control it, but to completely wipe out humanity?

That seems out of character.

I can see them pretending to work with Golobolous and then siding with the Joes, which is what I think should have happened. But to willingly work to completely destroy humanity?

I seem to remember the Baroness having a line about "what a glorious day" when the spores are launched.

Never liked that part of the movie.

[Crimson Bludd]

Cobra-La was pretty poorly thought out, overall and as a kid the Joe movie pretty much ended my love of the line anyway, as Big Lob, Chuckles, et al seemed even more lame than the usual Joes...

Devolving Cobra Commander was the final nail in the coffin. The treatment CC got in favor of Serpentor was bad enough, but basically killing him off was uncalled for.

[Troynos]

Making CC a member of Cobra-La was just bad.

[kneroh]

To move the plot

[thunderdan19]

Cobra-La did manage to kill GI Joe... the GI Joe toy line that is...

Nothing about that turd of a movie made any sense at all. Why expect anyone to remain within character?

[hectorxd]

Destro's business is selling weapons. If everyone is dead than there is no one to sell weapons to. The cartoon just made Destro a sidekick to Cobra commander.

[Tomahawk]

i remember always feeling sorry for cc and the way they started treating him. i wanted cc to slap the shiz out of serpentor. cc always was in command of my cobras at home haha.

[Tall Creeper]

i remember always feeling sorry for cc and the way they started treating him. i wanted cc to slap the shiz out of serpentor. cc always was in command of my cobras at home haha.

I didn't like this either and couldn't believe they were trying to pull this on us as kids. It was really lame having Cobra la become this huge force and have their equipment stronger then anyone else. I was sad seeing that movie and refused to have it apart of my Joeverse!

[Cavbeast]

So why would Destro, Baroness and the rest of the human Cobra forces go along with that plan?

Sure they're scared of Serpentor and Golobolous, but why would they willingly destroy humanity? They always wanted to take the world over and control it, but to completely wipe out humanity?

That seems out of character.
But to willingly work to completely destroy humanity?

Cobra has always been about World Domination no matter the cost. And you're right it was completely out of character.

The movie unfortunately amped up the bad guys as shallowless bad guys and troops ie, Serpentor ordering the Dreadnoks to "CUT him (DUKE) DOWN," usually it was stop him or stop the joes, not out right killing the joes). So in effect they removed their humanity (Baroness from "The Phantom Brigadet" helping the joes out of concern for her job security, The Crimson Twins motivation of profit) and personal motivations to be mindless troops for Cobra-La (however Golobulus did make the underlying threat that treachery/betrayal would be dealt with CC style or join the Joes in the carny plants).

[lister]

Cobra-La did manage to kill GI Joe... the GI Joe toy line that is...

How do you figure? ARAH ran for another 7 years after the movie. That's actually longer than it ran before the movie.

[COL Abernathy]

I didn't know about plot devices as a 9 year old. I'm not ashamed to admit I loved the movie in '87, even if I hate it now.

[WVMojo]

I can't believe you are wasting brain cells trying to comprehend who did what in that movie...I can't believe I'm wasting what few brain cells I....

Aww hell, see can't even finish that thought. Gone all gone.

[jlaing2607]

Back then most of us were young kids and were just amped about a GI Joe movie. We didn't really comprehend what was going on. Cobra-La would of just been a cool evil force in our heads. 20 years later we can look back and now be like WTF were they thinking. I do agree that after the movie that GI Joe line was pretty lame. Look how well DIC did in the 90s.

[delta]

It's called "don't think about it", just accept that it happened.

Umm...Yeah Follow Your own advice

[Dansolo]

IMO, the Movie and the DIC GI Joe series don't exist as "Old Snake" shows up harassing the Transformers in a later episode.

[Melissa]

Cobra-Lalalalala That is when I turn the tv off.

[thunderdan19]

How do you figure? ARAH ran for another 7 years after the movie. That's actually longer than it ran before the movie.

It was the beginning of the end, brother. Joe was never as popular after the introduction of Cobra-La as it was prior.

Cobra-Lalalalala That is when I turn the tv off.

Yup. Case and point. You, me and about half the kids that were into Joe prior to that mess. Please Hasbro, don't make that mistake again 25 years later. I'll forgive you for that stupid peg warming Nemesis/Falcon CP if you never do it again... (but I still won't buy one).

[Melissa]

Nemesis/Falcon CP wow. I like Falcon but not Nemesis. Might buy a loose Falcon on ebay maybe or just wait and see what this new falcon will look like. Bad Hasbro Bad don't do it again bad Hasbro. Dont make me get a rolled up newspaper.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Where were the Autobots during all of this anyway?

[Captain STEVEN DePACE]

Cobra-La did manage to kill GI Joe... the GI Joe toy line that is...

Nothing about that turd of a movie made any sense at all. Why expect anyone to remain within character?

Hell yeah the line didn't go on for another 8 years or anything!

[speedocub]

It was indeed a dark movie...seeing it as an 11 year old, it still creeps me out. I thought that GI Joe was over...and for a time it was. Just as the 'Movie' or five part episode was ending, I was moving from Phoenix back to Rochester NY...when I got back although I was still in to Joes, I was more into the comics and left the silly cartoons behind...now I wish I could have watched them!

[spacemonkeymafia]

How do you figure? ARAH ran for another 7 years after the movie. That's actually longer than it ran before the movie.

It may have ran that long but sales said otherwise.........

[goldendeedsofman]

I didn't know about plot devices as a 9 year old. I'm not ashamed to admit I loved the movie in '87, even if I hate it now.

my setiments exactly I was 3 years old when GI Joe came out and didn't know squat about the comics (couldn't have read them if I wanted to) So the cartoon was the only resource I had. But I don't hate the movie now either. I still watch it every now and again. The only part I like better about the comics is the snake eyes and stormshadow origins. Something about CC being a failed car salesman doesn't appeal to me.

[gi49er]

Cmon there were SOME Cool parts in the movie:

-worth watching just to see the movie intro.." armies of the night, evil taking flight..cobra--COBRA-cobra-COBRA

--umm hearing Jinx telling Falcon to grab her ankles :-)

--umm..we still can make " onsssseee a mannn " jokes

--umm...good to see steeler made it back from the alternate joeverse...pay close attention and you WILL see him but please dont say where and make me watch it just to prove a point

--Burgess Meredith was in it.

Okay..yeah that's it.

[GI C]

I didn't like the whole Cobra LA thing either.Thought it was pretty stupid.Now that being said,I did like the vehicles from 1987-1990 example:Rolling Thunder,The Mamba(yes I liked it),Hurricane and the Hammerhead.Just to name a few.AS for the Movie,I watched and was not amazed.I was even more unamazed by the DIC version.

[COL Abernathy]

I'll say this much though - if I had no preconception of gi joe, and it didn't exist outside of the 87 movie, the movie wasn't half bad. Pythona and golobulous become cool characters outside of a gi joe movie.

[Cavbeast]

Where were the Autobots during all of this anyway?

They had their own problems, mourning their fallen leader Optimus Prime and most of their fallen allies from the first two or three seasons (stasis lock and repair units weren't mentioned in the day) , dealing with their new leader who was an insecure, suicidal pariah that need to consult the dead leader for guidance and moving away from earth, focusing on adventures on other planets and trying to survive from the new decepticon leader who was cuckoo for cocoa puffs

[lister]

It was the beginning of the end, brother. Joe was never as popular after the introduction of Cobra-La as it was prior.

I'm not sure what "end" we're talking about. G.I. Joe has been running pretty much non-stop since 1982. Granted, it wasn't always a monster success, but it has never really gone away. Here it is 2009 and most of us are still buying Joes.

And even if the popularity of G.I. Joe waned following the movie, I don't think it's accurate to place the blame solely on the shoulders of Cobra-La.

[lister]

It may have ran that long but sales said otherwise.........

That's fair enough. I have no access to Hasbro's sales numbers from 1988-1994 so I'll take your word for it. I don't doubt that there were lean years for the brand but they couldn't have done too badly to run for another seven years.

Keep in mind, I'm not necessarily talking about the quality of the toys in the post-movie years, just the fact that they were still being made.

[MTN]

That movie I like to push under the carpet and pretend it never happened........If only it never happened. I only saw it recently cause I don't think I was born when it came out. I prefer the 5 part episodes.

[UMAN]

I can't understand how anyone could like Cobra-La (and anything associated) and GI Joe at the same time. It's just... stupid.

[Ripcord]

Cobra'La killed GI JOE for me. that's when I got out of it. That and girls started becoming more intresting to me. Even as a kid I knew that was a bad story line.

[Headman]

Why did they go along with Cobra La? Ever hear the saying "If you can't beat them, join them?". They're a bunch of weak minded cowards who were willing to go along with anything to save their own butts. For a good example look no further than Hitler and how many countries lined up to kiss his rear end in World War II.

As for not understanding why anyone would like Cobra La, they were a good change of pace from the robot sea serpents and synthoid clones that preceded the movie.

[fireflyguy]

Cobra'La killed GI JOE for me. that's when I got out of it. That and girls started becoming more intresting to me. Even as a kid I knew that was a bad story line.

LOL! That's what got me out of Joes also! Well, the girls especially. I also hated the Cobra La thing. I think my interest in Joes went south when they introduced Dr. Mindbender, Serpentor, etc. I wanted a little more realistic miltitary style stuff, not so much sci-fi.

[chuck x goren]

Destro and Baroness went along with Golobulus because they're EVIL! What? What do you want from them?! They're EVIL!!! EVIL! (to paraphrase the Mads from MST3K)

In my own "Joe-verse" I wrote off Cobra-La as mutated experiments from Dr. Mindbender. They were all part of an insane plan from Mindbender and Serpentor to control the world... but they weren't really the backers of Cobra. They just wanted everyone to believe that. Why? I dunno'....

When the battle armored Cobra Commander came out, I shuttled Mindbender, Serpie, Cobra-La and crappy vehicles like the STUN, Swampfire or the Buzz Boar off to their own little faction. I had killed off CC around 1986, but retconned it as having been an LMD/synthoid, or something. So now that CC was back and in charge of Cobra, all the goofy crap I didn't like (but still bought), went to a separate group.

I made my Cobra more profit-oriented like the comics, and the Mindbender/Serpie/Cobra-La group more like the cartoons-- wacky scheme to take over the world. I justified that all of Serpentor's group were a buncha' loons.

[tna2k]

this is out of character for all joe collecters, that cartoon and movie whether it was the best mini series/movie or not it started all this and the figures are sweet. i bet most of yall talkin trash about the movie have every new figure made for it (cobra la ,renegades) and want a pythona as i do she was awesome

[SnAkEyEz]

there was a scene in the movie where Golobulus says that Serpentor was really his idea.. then Mindbender gets pissed & says No.. he was my ingenius plan.. then Golob explains how the psychi motivator was placed on him to give him the idea.. Destro explains to Mindbender that a plan that genius was even over the top for him.. & then Destro swears his loyalty to Golobulus.. really good scene.. I guess Im the one person that liked Cobra La Movie.. It wasnt perfect.. somethings could of been changed.. but over all, I thought it was badass.. would of been cool if Nemesis Enforcer lived & went onto the next season..

[Crimson Bludd]

this is out of character for all joe collecters, that cartoon and movie whether it was the best mini series/movie or not it started all this and the figures are sweet. i bet most of yall talkin trash about the movie have every new figure made for it (cobra la ,renegades) and want a pythona as i do she was awesome

I would urge you not to make that bet. I don't, and won't, have anything movie related.

Some of it definitely has to do with age as well. The movie came out when Joe fever was starting to wane a little bit anyway, at least for most kids that were my age, that I knew. I'll be 33 in a couple months, so I was the perfect age for the first run of ARAH series. I was 6 when the first wave hit and was very into them through all of elementary school.

But I was 11 by the time the movie was released and entering middle school. Out of all of my friends that I grew up with at that time, most of whom I played Joes with as a kid, I only know 1 that collected any of the movie figures.

It was a big let down.

Hasbro had a few years of f-ups there when you think about what they tried to do with the Transformers line and then the Joe line. They could have milked us for a few more years at that age, but post-movie TFmers and post-movie Joes had no interest for me. They basically just decided that the characters that I had grown up with were obsolete (or in the case of TFmers, dead).

In fact, it wasn't until just last year that I finally went back and watched all of the final season of Transformers. There's actually some decent episodes, but I'd be damned if I was going to wake up at like 6 in the morning to watch them back then, after they killed off Prime, Wheeljack, Starscream and replaced the somewhat effeminate Spike with the super-whiney and irritating Daniel.

We were a little younger for the Transformers movie though and I did know some people that bought post-movie TFmers. I even bought 1 or two myself, but couldn't get into it.

For Joes, I honestly didn't buy anything after '86. The BATs and Beachhead were pretty cool, and I loved those, but it was starting to already look a little fishy to me with Zandar, Zarana & so much neon.

Perhaps I was even looking for an excuse to get out of Joes at that age, as puberty was fast approaching...well, the movie certainly gave me all the excuse I needed to make a hasty exit.

[Zoltron]

It shouldn't surprise anyone here. But I love Cobra-La. I honestly though CC being a mutant is one of the coolest things ever. The look of Cobra-La influenced my art as well. I remember thinking Pythona was the coolest girl ever as well.

But as for Destro and Baroness siding with Golobulous. I think they did so because CC was a spectacular failure and they wanted to see him pay. I remember at the beginning they talked about his incompetence and how he was costing Cobra to lose many battles.

[Knighthart]

So the big bad honcho of Cobra-La planned to release mutagenic spores that would mutate mankind and make them mindless mutants.

So why would Destro, Baroness and the rest of the human Cobra forces go along with that plan?



I took this as not out of character as they were too determined by the lure of power that even in the gross mutation of society, it would bring them power and wealth.

Also, you can never explain why criminals think a certain way.

And plot movement is a good excuse too!! :)

[Barefoot Jedi]

I started (and never finished) a fanfic that would have been a sequel to GIJOE The Movie that replaced the DiC story.

In the first couple of episodes we find out that Destro, the Baroness, Dr. Mindbender, the twins and the Dreadnoks were all infected with psychic motivators when they were aboard the flying jellyfish en route to Cobra-La. This caused them to become subservient to Golobulus. Destro never could have worked so well with the Dreadnoks attacking the BET's hiding place.

I also wrote the Cobra-La COBRA Commander was an impostor, that the actual COBRA Commander had been captured by Nemesis Enforcer after the fall of Temple Alpha at the end of Season 1 and imprisoned in Cobra-La where his mind was torn open to obtain much of COBRA's secrets for the impostor to use. However, right before the beginning of Season 2, it becomes clear to Golobulus the impostor is not an effective leader so he puts the plan to create Serpentor into motion. The captured real COBRA Commander is hurled into the "abyss of oblivion" mentioned by Golobulus in the movie BUT he survives and escapes.

By the time he makes his way back to a COBRA sanctuary, Serpentor is already in control of COBRA. He is furious that Destro and the others did not recognize the switch by the severe drop in his courage and tactical abilities. So he bides his time and builds up forces of his own, using Storm Shadow as his spy (which explains Storm Shadow's absence through much of Season 2).

By the time the movie rolls around, COBRA Commander has stolen technology from Destro's company to create his battle armor, and has an army of Mambas, Maggots, Wolves and other 1987 COBRA weapons at his disposal. Storm Shadow reports Golobulus's plan to mutate humanity, and CC sets out at the same time as GIJOE to stop it, but the Joes get there first and destroy Cobra-La, so in the minutes following the end of GIJOE The Movie, the battle-weary Joes are ambushed en route to their transport plane by COBRA Commander's forces and totally defeated and captured.

COBRA Commander scans the COBRA leaders (captured by the Joes in Cobra-La) killing the psychic motivators, so they come to their senses. He's never actually met Serpentor and Dr. Mindbender before, since they allied with COBRA after the impostor was in place. He makes all the COBRAs swear loyalty to him, including Serpentor, who initially challenges him but gets his ass kicked because CC has superhuman powers wearing the battle armor (lift heavy objects with an anti-gravity field, create a force-field around himself, can jump around like a Jedi because of aforementioned anti-gravity field, and shoot lightning out of his hands like the Emperor).

CC takes the captured Joes to an ice cave and blows up the entrance, leaving them to die. Before he does so, Storm Shadow protests the act as dishonorable, saying the Joes have been worthy adversaries and deserve clean deaths fit for warriors. CC will not listen and SS draws sword on him. CC kicks SS's ass (he's very powerful with the battle armor) and throws him in with the Joes.

COBRA then leaves in CC's transport plane and has a team of BATs and Strato-Vipers fly the Joe transport loaded with explosives to Joe HQ, the plan being to crash the Joe transport into the HQ and then attack from the air and ground. Joe HQ at this time is run by a skeleton crew of the new recruit 1987 Joes Outback, Psyche-Out, Crazylegs, Fast Draw, etc. and Duke is there in the hospital with Doc.

In the ice cave, Lifeline helps the wounded Storm Shadow and is verbally assaulted by Leatherneck and Wet-Suit, but Spirit defends him. Storm Shadow regains consciousness and sees Snake-Eyes' torn sleeve and Arashikage tattoo. SS then reveals his origin, that he is, or thought he was, the last survivor of his ninja clan that was wiped out by enemies, and that he sold his services to COBRA because CC said one day he'd reveal the identity of the person who sent the attackers who destroyed his family. As it turns out, Snake-Eyes is Storm Shadow's brother and survived the attack also, and it is revealed this is how he was burned (why he wears the mask) and lost his voice, that he recovered and joined the GIJOE team. Storm Shadow renounces COBRA and joins the Joes (this is how the GIJOE Storm Shadow that was released in 1988 would have been explained in the cartoon).

CC's plan works very well. The Strato-Vipers escape in jet packs and the BATs crash the Joe transport into the HQ main building. CC then bombs HQ with Mambas and shells the place with Maggots. The small number of Joes fight bravely but are outgunned and outnumbered and forced to evacuate. CC himself goes into the HQ to finish Duke personally but the Joes get him out. CC contents himself with obliterating what's left of Joe HQ 'til American military reinforcements arrive and COBRA withdraws.

The Joes find a way out of the cave and make their way to a mountain village, are unable to contact their HQ but get in touch with the American military and arrange a rescue. They learn their HQ was destroyed.

COBRA Commander and his forces arrive at a new COBRA island complete with another Terror Drome that CC had built for himself, and celebrate their victory. CC reveals his new plan for world domination...

...and that's as far as I got.

[Wild_Weasel]

I started (and never finished) a fanfic that would have been a sequel to GIJOE The Movie that replaced the DiC story.

In the first couple of episodes we find out that Destro, the Baroness, Dr. Mindbender, the twins and the Dreadnoks were all infected with psychic motivators when they were aboard the flying jellyfish en route to Cobra-La. This caused them to become subservient to Golobulus. Destro never could have worked so well with the Dreadnoks attacking the BET's hiding place.

I also wrote the Cobra-La COBRA Commander was an impostor, that the actual COBRA Commander had been captured by Nemesis Enforcer after the fall of Temple Alpha at the end of Season 1 and imprisoned in Cobra-La where his mind was torn open to obtain much of COBRA's secrets for the impostor to use. However, right before the beginning of Season 2, it becomes clear to Golobulus the impostor is not an effective leader so he puts the plan to create Serpentor into motion. The captured real COBRA Commander is hurled into the "abyss of oblivion" mentioned by Golobulus in the movie BUT he survives and escapes.

By the time he makes his way back to a COBRA sanctuary, Serpentor is already in control of COBRA. He is furious that Destro and the others did not recognize the switch by the severe drop in his courage and tactical abilities. So he bides his time and builds up forces of his own, using Storm Shadow as his spy (which explains Storm Shadow's absence through much of Season 2).

By the time the movie rolls around, COBRA Commander has stolen technology from Destro's company to create his battle armor, and has an army of Mambas, Maggots, Wolves and other 1987 COBRA weapons at his disposal. Storm Shadow reports Golobulus's plan to mutate humanity, and CC sets out at the same time as GIJOE to stop it, but the Joes get there first and destroy Cobra-La, so in the minutes following the end of GIJOE The Movie, the battle-weary Joes are ambushed en route to their transport plane by COBRA Commander's forces and totally defeated and captured.

COBRA Commander scans the COBRA leaders (captured by the Joes in Cobra-La) killing the psychic motivators, so they come to their senses. He's never actually met Serpentor and Dr. Mindbender before, since they allied with COBRA after the impostor was in place. He makes all the COBRAs swear loyalty to him, including Serpentor, who initially challenges him but gets his ass kicked because CC has superhuman powers wearing the battle armor (lift heavy objects with an anti-gravity field, create a force-field around himself, can jump around like a Jedi because of aforementioned anti-gravity field, and shoot lightning out of his hands like the Emperor).

CC takes the captured Joes to an ice cave and blows up the entrance, leaving them to die. Before he does so, Storm Shadow protests the act as dishonorable, saying the Joes have been worthy adversaries and deserve clean deaths fit for warriors. CC will not listen and SS draws sword on him. CC kicks SS's ass (he's very powerful with the battle armor) and throws him in with the Joes.

COBRA then leaves in CC's transport plane and has a team of BATs and Strato-Vipers fly the Joe transport loaded with explosives to Joe HQ, the plan being to crash the Joe transport into the HQ and then attack from the air and ground. Joe HQ at this time is run by a skeleton crew of the new recruit 1987 Joes Outback, Psyche-Out, Crazylegs, Fast Draw, etc. and Duke is there in the hospital with Doc.

In the ice cave, Lifeline helps the wounded Storm Shadow and is verbally assaulted by Leatherneck and Wet-Suit, but Spirit defends him. Storm Shadow regains consciousness and sees Snake-Eyes' torn sleeve and Arashikage tattoo. SS then reveals his origin, that he is, or thought he was, the last survivor of his ninja clan that was wiped out by enemies, and that he sold his services to COBRA because CC said one day he'd reveal the identity of the person who sent the attackers who destroyed his family. As it turns out, Snake-Eyes is Storm Shadow's brother and survived the attack also, and it is revealed this is how he was burned (why he wears the mask) and lost his voice, that he recovered and joined the GIJOE team. Storm Shadow renounces COBRA and joins the Joes (this is how the GIJOE Storm Shadow that was released in 1988 would have been explained in the cartoon).

CC's plan works very well. The Strato-Vipers escape in jet packs and the BATs crash the Joe transport into the HQ main building. CC then bombs HQ with Mambas and shells the place with Maggots. The small number of Joes fight bravely but are outgunned and outnumbered and forced to evacuate. CC himself goes into the HQ to finish Duke personally but the Joes get him out. CC contents himself with obliterating what's left of Joe HQ 'til American military reinforcements arrive and COBRA withdraws.

The Joes find a way out of the cave and make their way to a mountain village, are unable to contact their HQ but get in touch with the American military and arrange a rescue. They learn their HQ was destroyed.

COBRA Commander and his forces arrive at a new COBRA island complete with another Terror Drome that CC had built for himself, and celebrate their victory. CC reveals his new plan for world domination...

...and that's as far as I got.
Man you should have sent that script to Buzz Dixon over at sunbow at the time!

[Wild_Weasel]

Well besides Destro and the Baroness...what about generally all of the cobras??? From troopers to vipers to officers. the Dreadnoks, the Crimson Twins..ALL OF THEM!! Theres no actual reason and no folks no one can justify these senseless actions, it was just a very very week part of the movie just for the plot to unfold... I wish thought we could have seen the aftermath of the movie in the unproduced season 3...That would have been very interesting...

[Barefoot Jedi]

Man you should have sent that script to Buzz Dixon over at sunbow at the time!

Thanks! Other events that would have taken place:

The Defiant is introduced because some of the seed pods launched by Cobra-La were still in orbit and had not burst, so the Joes have to go into orbit to destroy them. COBRA tries to steal the Defiant as it lands.

Golobulus is revealed to have survived and he gets in touch with Serpentor and they seek to overthrow COBRA Commander.

Golobulus creates a new Nemesis Enforcer. This one has the wings but can also sprout tentacles from his back.

Flint and Lady J get married and retire from GIJOE.

With Joe HQ destroyed (and out of production), their new base becomes the MCC which is much, much larger in the cartoon (like the Terror Drome).

In the last episode of the season, the Joes invade COBRA Island aboard the MCC and it destroys the Terror Drome.