So will G.I.*JOE blow up????

[flash70]

So with the movie coming up and the popularity of all toys from the 1980's. Will all the vintage G.I.*JOE stuff go up in insane prices??? I seen many collector's buying up AFA graded stuff all over the place. Which I belive is stupid for the plain fact that AFA is worthless and degrading the collector's market. However, I know many others in the collector's/dealers market want to find a sucker to pay these prices. Let's hear your educated guess???:confused:

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

I still think it's too early to tell. I really hope the vintage stuff doesn't go too high up in price since I'm just starting to collect again and have to start over from scratch.

[Hicks_Royel]

Course, I clicked on this because on the main page the title reads "So will GI Joe blow..."

As for the topic... maybe for a while, but honestly, just like Transformers it'll be trendy for a while but in the next few years another movie will take its place. I just hope that Transformers and GI Joe won't go the way of Pirates and the Matrix: Great first movie, second movie's alright at parts... What the hell is the third movie about anyway?

[Sy-Rein]

If we were to reference Transformers in regards to this situation since they would be similar (imo). I havent noticed a dramatic increase in vintage TF prices. I think there will be more of a demand for the new stuff (directly associated with the movie) more-so than the vintage stuff.

[Hicks_Royel]

True... I agree and I think that much as we've already seen with the 25th Joes... the Scalper's market will be based on movie merchandise.

Truth is, those guys are really setting [and hurting] the after market mark-up.

[artiepants]

I'd say it really depends on if the movie is good.

Transformers was well received, so obviously it's blown up. Bratz, not so much ;)

[xhairs]

man its hard to say it . its all on how well the movie is made. if it sucks it could hurt sales. but i dont thinkit will have an effect on the old toys. it will have an effect on the new stuff like the TFs movie toys.

[Shogi]

If we were to reference Transformers in regards to this situation since they would be similar (imo). I havent noticed a dramatic increase in vintage TF prices. I think there will be more of a demand for the new stuff (directly associated with the movie) more-so than the vintage stuff.

The only problem with referencing Transformers is that they also have a lot of official and unofficial re-releases of the toys, so the originals prices are already gonna be less (Case in point, about 4-5 years ago I paid $325 for an original Star Convoy in a beat up box, Takara has since re-released that figure so I'll never be able to sell it for the price I paid, which may have been a bit high anyway. Even with all the hype the movie brought to the line)

I'd say look at the vintage Star Wars line, everytime there's a new movie the vintage figures start selling again. Mind you the prices don't go really high or anything, but they increase a bit

We're probably already seeing an increase in vintage Joe prices due to the 25th line bringing interest back into the brand. I've seen all sorts of people posting about how they got back into Joe because of the 25th line, the movie will probably bring a few more in.

So we'll probably see a bit of an increase but I don't think it'll blow up or anything

[Dark 5cythe]

GIJOE is gonna blow up only if the movie is good.

Look what happend to transformers. The movie was so good it reached people who didnt even know what transformers where! On the seibertron.com forum, it was madness everywhere. You couldnt find any toys anywhere. The cool thing about it is that now transformers stuff is coming out in hordes.

GI JOE was huge back in the day but its practically invisible now on toy shelves. Alot is riding on that movie.

[Compulsive Collector]

Look what happend to transformers. The movie was so good it reached people who didnt even know what transformers where! We must have watched different movies.

[tkprime]

The only good thing about that Transformers movie was it's marketing, let me explain.....First Fans of the 80's show got the wish granted on the big screen, secondly it was a decent script, third, the voice actor Peter Cullen and lastly the "joe Team" seals (roadblock , gung ho Duke) And Col. Sharp.

[Porkchop Sandwiches]

OK I'll say it for the umpteenth time. It's riding on the movie and what Hasbro does with the product in regard to the movie.

First off there doesn't seem to be (to me anyhow) too many high profile actors in the movie. I'm ok with that but that could effect boxoffice draw.

I think if Hasbro chnages up the packaging style and design too much Joe heads like you and I will likely not approve. They need to keep it similar to the vintage styling.

I hope the movie isn't too cartoony or kiddie. If they can some how do it along the same lines as the new Batman movies that would be cool. A little bit of darkness and even reality over the child stuff would go over better for me but I guess that is the older Joe fan speaking.

[artiepants]

We must have watched different movies.
hey, it was generally well received (if i'm not mistaken it was the biggest film of the year that wasn't a sequal), and i thought it was far better than a Michael-Bay-directed-movie-about-80s-children's-toys had any right to be.

sure, it was far from perfect, but it smoked Spider-man 3: the Musical, Shrek 3: Now with More Fart Jokes and Pirates of the Caribbean 3: the 3-hour Nap (and i liked to loved the 6 previous movies in those franchises, but the 3rd ones were "meh" to horrible)

If GIJoe was as good (and i'd hope it'd be better...) as Transformers, it'll be great for the franchise.

I'm really curious to see the positioning though, obviously they want to sell toys, but where do you put the level of violence/warfare to keep it realistic but not too harsh, but keep it from being too cheesy. (I'd say look to Raiders of the Lost Ark...)

[Compulsive Collector]

hey, it was generally well received (if i'm not mistaken it was the biggest film of the year that wasn't a sequal), and i thought it was far better than a Michael-Bay-directed-movie-about-80s-children's-toys had any right to be.

sure, it was far from perfect, but it smoked Spider-man 3: the Musical, Shrek 3: Now with More Fart Jokes and Pirates of the Caribbean 3: the 3-hour Nap (and i liked to loved the 6 previous movies in those franchises, but the 3rd ones were "meh" to horrible) As I've said before, box office success does not equal quality. Take Michael Bay out of that equation, and maybe it would have been worthwhile. I had plenty of problems with Spider-Man 3 (especially Gwen Stacy being in it!), but I enjoyed it way more than Michael Baybots. The second films in the other two franchises were so bad, I didn't bother with either third film.

I'm really curious to see the positioning though, obviously they want to sell toys, but where do you put the level of violence/warfare to keep it realistic but not too harsh, but keep it from being too cheesy. (I'd say look to Raiders of the Lost Ark...) There was plenty of violence in Revenge Of The Sith, and that managed to get a PG-13 rating. I hope this will be better than that, but I think you can make it pretty violent, so long as you're not too graphic with exploding heads and body parts flying around all over the screen.

[SnakeEyes]

[QUOTE=Compulsive Collector]As I've said before, box office success does not equal quality.

You're right...BUT...box office success IMO will be the driving force in how well the line does, not so much how good the movie really is!

The truth of the matter is, people now days are gullable. With the right marketing scheme, you could almost convince some of these idiots out here that a 2 foot long terd tasted great. And, if they think everyone else is eating it, it'll make it taste 10x better!

I really do want this to be a quality flic, but the truth is, if Hasbro handles it right, it won't have to be! (TFs is a perfect example) This is what scares me the most about the movie, to be honest!

[Compulsive Collector]

You're right...BUT...box office success IMO will be the driving force in how well the line does, not so much how good the movie really is!

The truth of the matter is, people now days are gullable. With the right marketing scheme, you could almost convince some of these idiots out here that a 2 foot long terd tasted great. And, if they think everyone else is eating it, it'll make it taste 10x better!

I really do want this to be a quality flic, but the truth is, if Hasbro handles it right, it won't have to be! (TFs is a perfect example) This is what scares me the most about the movie, to be honest! I can't argue with anything you said, brother. The silver lining is that even if the movie blows, high box office numbers could mean plenty of non-movie Joe and Cobra stuff to buy after the holiday season of 2009.

[DarthBrett]

A very big key for this movie to be even modestly successful (successful only in profit, not quality) is having at least one big name or very recognizable face in the movie. So far, that has not occurred. But, I think some of the bigger names that may be joining the cast won't sign until right before production starts (this happens a lot during the casting process for movies). Anyways, this movie is a catch-22 situation. I would love for this movie to be of high quality, have great acting and contain a faithful story to the original. Unfortunately, if this were to happen it most likely would fail at the box office (Stephen Sommers as the director alone has already lessened the possibility of the movie actually being truly great). But, at the same time, I'd really like to see GI Joe toys and merchandise (especially the new ARAH line) continue it's popularity well past 2009. The only way that this is ever going to happen is if the movie is a huge mainstream hit (like Transformers) which most likely means the movie will be only average. Sadly, the mainstream movie audiences of today like to blow their money on mostly mediocre (if even that) films. I want to be optimistic and say, "never say never", but the realistic side of me is already starting to be disappointed.

And I actually liked Spider-Man 3 and POTC 3 more than I did Transformers (or maybe I should say I hated Transformers more than the other two).

Like somebody already mentioned above, don't ever equate box-office success to quality. Most of the time box-office gold means the exact opposite. Just look at most of this year's best movies (No Country For Old Men, Zodiac, Lars & the Real Girl, 3:10 To Yuma, American Gangster, the Assassination of Jesse James, Eastern Promises, Stardust, Into the Wild, Hot Fuzz, Gone Baby Gone, The Darjeeling Ltd, Enchanted, Eastern Promises, Superbad, Waitress, Grindhouse, Across the Universe) didn't make a killing at the box-office or even make a decent amount. Of course there are a few exceptions to the rule (Ratatouille, The Bourne Ultimatum, Knocked Up and The Simpsons Movie were all very good).

[sharke]

if done well, then it doesn't need any big names. take X-Men for example, no big names there and the movie was huge and helped relaunch the wave of comic stuff we see now!

[DarthBrett]

if done well, then it doesn't need any big names. take X-Men for example, no big names there and the movie was huge and helped relaunch the wave of comic stuff we see now!

Very true. But X-Men also had some really good actors in it. Ian McKellan and Patrick Stewart were already well established veterans of the stage and screen (and great actors I might add). Anna Paquin had already been in a lot of movies as well. And Halle Berry was already a huge star when the first X-Men had come out.


GI Joe needs a good name actor to give it appeal to the masses and it needs a really good actor or two to help it's credibility or give it any chances of being a decent movie.

I think the bigger or more respected names haven't signed on yet, that's all.

[SnakeEyes]

GI Joe needs a good name actor to give it appeal to the masses and it needs a really good actor or two to help it's credibility or give it any chances of being a decent movie.

I think the bigger or more respected names haven't signed on yet, that's all.

I think you're right! My big question is WHO?! What characters do you think they will fill with the big names? It seems as though they would cast the primary roles with the big names...but who are the primary characters? I've read that the movie will be based primarily around the SE vs. SS storyline...so does that mean they're going to try and turn Ray Park into a headlining super-star?! I don't think so...what do you guys think?

[DarthBrett]

My feeling is that maybe Destro, Cobra Commander, Duke, Hawk or Flint (who knows if some of these are even in the movie) would be the actors that might be well known or veterans of the screen.

[Chris_]

The only good thing about that Transformers movie was it's marketing, let me explain.....First Fans of the 80's show got the wish granted on the big screen, secondly it was a decent script, third, the voice actor Peter Cullen and lastly the "joe Team" seals (roadblock , gung ho Duke) And Col. Sharp.

When I first saw the 25th anniversary GI Joe cards on the racks at Target, it was like a flood of memories that came rushing back. It just so happened that the first 25th GI Joe I saw was Snake Eyes. I remembered the card just as it looked when I was 8 or 9 years old. From there, I went on a frenzy to get them all, because I had just about every GI Joe figure and toy from '84 - '86. Granted most of them are long gone, save for a few remaining survivors from the brutal wars that were fought in the confines of my yard. My planes have all crashed. The USS Flagg was destroyed and sold for scrap. And the few that weren't killed in action have retired to my book shelf.

Transformers toys haven't done that for me, but the movie was fantastic. If it wasn't for the voice of Optimus Prime, it wouldn't have been anything worth remembering. I hope the GI Joe movie will live up to the name, but I'm happy to have the second chance to collect the same toys I had when I was little. I remember hitting the stores to find certain ones. Watching the backs of the cards to see who was coming out. It's so much fun doing that again, and I'm 33 years old.