Superman vs Hulk

[Jinx723]

I'm guessing this is the right section for this...

Just saw this on You Tube and thought, who would win?

Superman vs Hulk - The Fight (Part 1) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbizTBYs-rQ)

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Superman would win. The deck is always stacked in his favor.

A better fight I think would be Hulk vs Doomsday.

[GI Flow]

"The madder he gets, the stronger he gets"

Hulk all day

[Esquire]

"The madder he gets, the stronger he gets"

Hulk all dayStronger sure, but not faster or smarter.

[Troynos]

Superman. He picks the Hulk up, flys him into the sun and leaves him there.

Hulk can't fly. Superman just has more advantages than the Hulk does.

[Raw Dog]

Superman would win. Hulk may be stronger, but Duperman has way more powers, including his power to figure out a way howtowineven when he shouldn't. HULK SMASH!

[Raistlin]

Superman. He picks the Hulk up, flys him into the sun and leaves him there.

Hulk can't fly. Superman just has more advantages than the Hulk does.

its not like you are picking up a puppy that won't bite back

[Raw Dog]

Realistically they'd probably make friends and then team up vs Brainiac and the Leader. Those bastards.

[Jmacq1]

"The madder he gets, the stronger he gets"

Hulk all day

Unless Hulk starts out the fight REALLY mad, Superman KOs him before he gets mad enough to match Superman's strength.

The Superman vs. (smart) Hulk fight in the mid-90's Marvel vs. DC crossover was one of the few fights in that series that was done well and reasonably accurate in terms of how it'd really go down.

[ndb]

"The madder he gets, the stronger he gets"

Hulk all day

This!

[Troynos]

its not like you are picking up a puppy that won't bite back

Same strength levels, so all Supes has to do is come up behind Hulk, grab him and superspeed to the sun before Hulk knows what happened.

There is no way, unless Supes is handicapped in some way, that the Hulk wins this fight.

[solid.wii]

Hulk wins....with kryptonite.

[Jinx723]

[QUOTE=Jmacq1;3871627
The Superman vs. (smart) Hulk fight in the mid-90's Marvel vs. DC crossover was one of the few fights in that series that was done well and reasonably accurate in terms of how it'd really go down.[/QUOTE]

Didn't even know there ever was a Superman vs Hulk comic.
"To the Google Machine", to find more info on it.

[Jmacq1]

Didn't even know there ever was a Superman vs Hulk comic.
"To the Google Machine", to find more info on it.

They've actually "met" two or three times. Hulk guest-starred in the Spider-Man/Superman team-up in the...70's, I think it was? He had a brief altercation with Superman there. However that was "pre Crisis" Superman with all the redonkulous power levels that entails.

Then there was an entire miniseries in the mid-90's that pitted many of Marvel's and DC's characters against each other. However, the results were decided by fan voting, and therefore several of the fights and outcomes were...lame (Wolverine vs. Lobo and Wonder Woman vs. Storm most egregiously). However, a couple of them were pretty good. Superman vs. Hulk being one of them.

I don't recall if Superman ever ran into the Hulk during JLA/Avengers but he did have a knock-down, drag out with Thor.

[Jinx723]

^^^

Holy crap, Superman vs Thor???

[pig iron grenadier]

Golden Age Superman vs Hulk would be a great fight.

Modern Supes vs Hulk is not in the same ballpark...

Hulk can lift maybe a 500 tons or maybe possibly more at the height of his anger...if the circumstances were right Superman could tug around an entire planet if there is a yellow sun...

Superman could never let himself kill Hulk, but could Hulk kill Superman??? Unsure... Damage and strength don't necessarily equal out...Sure a body builder can lift 800 lbs, but if that same 800 pounds fell squarely on his head he'd be dead.....

Science is crazy.....

[Raw Dog]

I think Superman could reason with Hulk using his super negotiating skills, then after he reverted back to Banner he could freeze him with his super cold breath.

[Jmacq1]

^^^

Holy crap, Superman vs Thor???

It's disappointingly short (mostly because that entire series is just so utterly jam-packed with stuff), and a lot of people were disappointed with the outcome, but yes....

Unrelated side note: Why does everyone seem to forget that it's perfectly possible for the Hulk to get knocked unconscious, and has in fact happened countless times in the comics?

[RolandofGilead]

More importantly, what's Batman's plan for taking down the Hulk?

[Troynos]

Superman vs Thor is a much better fight. Thor has magic on his side and that's a weakness of Supermans.

That is a much more even fight.

[Esquire]

More importantly, what's Batman's plan for taking down the Hulk?http://www.wildsoundmovies.com/images/incredible_hulk_vs_batman.jpg

[USAgent]

Superman. He picks the Hulk up, flys him into the sun and leaves him there.

Hulk can't fly. Superman just has more advantages than the Hulk does.

yeah... pretty much this. flight/speed/heat vision/ice breath/strength vs. angrier=stronger... Supes takes this one over and over and over no matter how many times it plays out

[Snake Oil]

Superman.

[Jmacq1]

Superman vs Thor is a much better fight. Thor has magic on his side and that's a weakness of Supermans.

That is a much more even fight.

Indeed, I've seen Superman vs. Thor endlessly debated, but it usually boils down to two things:

1. Superman's vulnerability to magic is very inconsistently portrayed across writers. All agree that he has it, but not all agree on exactly how it works. For some it means that ANYTHING Magic hurts or affects him as it would a normal person...in which case one solid hit from Mjolnir and the fight's over. For others it means that magic can affect him, but directly-damaging magic or magic objects/weapons are still at least partially mitigated by his invulnerability. Kurt Busiek (the writer of said Supes vs. Thor fight) said that his interpretation was that Mjolnir itself is magical, but that in his mind the hammer doesn't do "magic damage" when it hits, it's just the effect of an nigh-indestructible weapon being swung by a massively strong wielder (and thus Superman's invulnerability applies, even if the strike is powerful enough to still cause damage when it hits), and the "magic" portions of Mjolnir cover all the other effects it can conjure up. So...yeah, it can get murky.

2. The other sticking point in the Superman vs. Thor fight is speed. Some people dig up some very old scans and claim that Thor is in fact capable of "Faster than light" reflexes which would allow him to counter Superman's speed. Others disagree. If Thor doesn't, then there's a pretty massive speed deficit that means Superman can hit Thor a hundred times before Thor can react.

So basically each of them have a "trump card" but it really depends on "the writer" and which interpretations folks take as to how effective they are.

In the JLA/Avengers fight, Superman narrowly won, due to the interpretation Busiek used above, and Busiek's belief that Superman is in fact physically stronger than Thor (which I can buy). The effort left him so weakened, however, that he promptly got his arse kicked when the REST of the Avengers dogpiled him. He had to get rescued by Aquaman of all people. ;)

Incidentally, that miniseries also answers the question of Batman vs. Captain America...in probably the best-written and most appropriate confrontation of the series. ;)

[Troynos]

I forgot what the result of Batman/Captain America was.

And another factor would be that Superman would be capable of weilding Mjolnir (as shown on the cover of JLA/Avengers #4).

[Jmacq1]

I forgot what the result of Batman/Captain America was.

And another factor would be that Superman would be capable of weilding Mjolnir (as shown on the cover of JLA/Avengers #4).

Actually no, he normally wouldn't....which is again addressed in the series (It was basically a special "one-time thing" and when Superman later tries to lift it to hand it back to Thor, he can't do it).

Batman and Captain America basically just size each other up and trade one or two blows (blocked/dodged), before Batman admits that Cap would probably beat him in the end, but it'd take a VERY long time, and then they team up to go find out what's REALLY going on while everyone else is still fighting.

[RolandofGilead]

Actually no, he normally wouldn't....which is again addressed in the series (It was basically a special "one-time thing" and when Superman later tries to lift it to hand it back to Thor, he can't do it).

Batman and Captain America basically just size each other up and trade one or two blows (blocked/dodged), before Batman admits that Cap would probably beat him in the end, but it'd take a VERY long time, and then they team up to go find out what's REALLY going on while everyone else is still fighting.

Yay Cap! Yay Bats!

[Raw Dog]

I think Thor would beat Superman because he uses magic and Superman is susceptible to magic. Like Troy said, the deciding factor would be whether or not Superman can lift Thor's hammer which is really up to the writer.

I think Batman beats Cap only because Batman has spent his whole life training whereas Cap has only spent his adult life training and for a lot of that time Cap was frozen in ice and unable to train.

Did anyone watch the video? For me it confirms Superman would win. Hulk's main power is his ability to exponentially increase his strength depending on how mad he gets and his ability to heal. I really think Superman's vast array of powers not only gives him the edge, but I'm confident his super intellect would allow him to think his way to victory. Most likely he would appeal to the Hulk's inner Banner well enough to get Hulk to calm down and revert back to human form.

[Jmacq1]

I tend to disagree on Batman/Captain America. Captain America is stronger, faster, more agile, and has limitless endurance compared to Batman, and even though his training started later, the Super Soldier Serum gave him the capability to learn far more quickly where physical activity is concerned. Couple that with four or so years of nearly-constant battle coupled with 10-15 years of superheroing "out of the ice" and Cap can easily go toe-to-toe with Bats.

That, and recall that Batman's "training his whole life" included far more than just fighting skills. Even in the DCU itself Batman isn't the greatest fighter out there, but he becomes "the most dangerous man alive" when you combine ALL his skills (which honestly...all combined are ridiculously unrealistic, but hey, it's comic books).

[Esquire]

I tend to disagree on Batman/Captain America. Captain America is stronger, faster, more agile, and has limitless endurance compared to Batman, and even though his training started later, the Super Soldier Serum gave him the capability to learn far more quickly where physical activity is concerned. Couple that with four or so years of nearly-constant battle coupled with 10-15 years of superheroing "out of the ice" and Cap can easily go toe-to-toe with Bats.

That, and recall that Batman's "training his whole life" included far more than just fighting skills. Even in the DCU itself Batman isn't the greatest fighter out there, but he becomes "the most dangerous man alive" when you combine ALL his skills (which honestly...all combined are ridiculously unrealistic, but hey, it's comic books).Was it the serum that allowed Steve to learn faster or was it just an aptitude of his?

[Jmacq1]

Was it the serum that allowed Steve to learn faster or was it just an aptitude of his?

It's never been clarified either way, but by the same token, there's never been any sort of evidence that Steve was some kind of genius before he underwent the super soldier procedure.

I've always looked at it this way: If the Super Soldier serum physically optimized his body, it also physically optimized his brain, and through that physical optimization he'd gain the benefits of superior memory, etc.... In other words he literally "thinks faster" than most people (and this is somewhat supported by some statements he's made in the past concerning his reflexes), because his brain is perpetually in "perfect health" like the rest of him.

But that's just my theory. Like I said, the comics have never made it perfectly clear one way or another where his rapid-learning comes from...just that it definitely exists.

[Hicks_Royel]

Hulk wins....with kryptonite.
Excellent point. Give Hulk a Kryptonite necklace and let him pound the crap out of Supes...
^^^

Holy crap, Superman vs Thor???
Certainly a better fight with Thor's power coming from "techno-magic" and Superman vulnerable to the magic half of that.
Superman could never let himself kill Hulk, but could Hulk kill Superman??? Unsure... Damage and strength don't necessarily equal out...Sure a body builder can lift 800 lbs, but if that same 800 pounds fell squarely on his head he'd be dead.....

Science is crazy.....
Hulk had no problem killing Thor in that one DVD, so yeah, I'd say he'd have no problem killing Superman if he were led to believe the Superman were a threat.

But anyway, I agree with previous posts, Thor vs. Superman and Hulk vs. Doomsday would make for better fights.

[sonofdestro]

I wonder how the outcome would be affected if they were each given a massive dose of Viagra before the fight. I would say Hulk boner smashes all. I would go nowhere near the Hulk if he had a raging throbber ready to burst out of those already stressed purple britches.

[laurenluna1977]

Vegeta

[Jinx723]

I wonder how the outcome would be affected if they were each given a massive dose of Viagra before the fight. I would say Hulk boner smashes all. I would go nowhere near the Hulk if he had a raging throbber ready to burst out of those already stressed purple britches.

Ewww, funny as hell but ewww.
I always wondered if Clark & Lois did the nasty, would it be like the trailer scene in Hancock .

[Kaboomskie]

1.The body water of a human body is roughly 60 to 70 percent. Superman just needs to freeze Hulk's innards and he's dead.
2. They Hulk may be fast but Superman's faster that he can dodge all of the Hulk's attacks and counterattack.
3. Superman can just retreat and twist Bruce Banner's neck 360 in his sleep.
4. Superman just needs to hold the Hulk from behind and throw him towards the sun, the end. Next Superman Vs ______ story, please.

[Esquire]

Excellent point. Give Hulk a Kryptonite necklace and let him pound the crap out of Supes... Then Superman counters by wearing a Betty Ross or deer necklace

[Troynos]

Captain America would beat Batman. It would take awhile, but Cap would win in the end.

Cap is the world's greatest COMBAT fighter. Not martial artist or boxer, but combat fighter. That means in a battle of any kind, he's going to win.

[the odinson]

Captain America would beat Batman. It would take awhile, but Cap would win in the end.

Cap is the world's greatest COMBAT fighter. Not martial artist or boxer, but combat fighter. That means in a battle of any kind, he's going to win.

seems like time would be on bat's side- he eventually figures out how to beat everyone, it seems, so unless cap kills him (which he would never do) batman wins.

[solid.wii]

seems like time would be on bat's side- he eventually figures out how to beat everyone, it seems, so unless cap kills him (which he would never do) batman wins.

Not if Cap breaks Batmans back...

[Indiana Joe]

Well, based on there names or "titles" alone. "increadable" wins over "super".
So, there

[Zarana]

Oh, no one wins. They fight for a while but then team up to go fight the Owl.

[Hicks_Royel]

What about Lex Luthor vs Dr. Doom in an armorless, "not in the face", sissy-man, slap fight?

And personally, I think Batman vs Daredevil is the better fight... Assuming Batman can't use like a "Hey, I just happen to also have this..." Bat-Sonic-Gizmo... Thing.

[Jmacq1]

What about Lex Luthor vs Dr. Doom in an armorless, "not in the face", sissy-man, slap fight?

And personally, I think Batman vs Daredevil is the better fight... Assuming Batman can't use like a "Hey, I just happen to also have this..." Bat-Sonic-Gizmo... Thing.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a comic where an armorless Doom wrestled a lion.

I'm also pretty sure sonic gizmos are standard fare for Batman's utility belt. If nothing else his "Batcall" which Daredevil's senses would likely be affected by. Not to mention knockout gas, tear gas, and a host of other nastiness he could deploy.

If you take away Batman's utility belt, then Daredevil wins pretty easily. He's MUCH faster than Batman ("Bullet-time reflexes" vs...not).

[Jmacq1]

seems like time would be on bat's side- he eventually figures out how to beat everyone, it seems, so unless cap kills him (which he would never do) batman wins.

Why on Earth do so many people assume that "winning" only equals "death of the opponent?" It's kind of disturbing, honestly. Just like they often claim that one side being "willing to kill" gives them an advantage as though these characters don't fight people trying to kill them every day of their lives.

It's just a battle, not a war. KO'ing the opponent is "winning" as much as anything else. Not to mention that of the two of them, Captain America is the one that has killed in the past, and would do so again if necessary. Batman's the one with the uber-strict "no killing" policy. Cap's been much less strict about the killing thing since 9/11. He doesn't usually go out of his way to do it, but he doesn't shed any tears if it happens.

That, and Captain America is just as well known for "always finding a way to win" so I'd say that trait cancels out.

[the odinson]

Not if Cap breaks Batmans back...
didn't work for bane.
Why on Earth do so many people assume that "winning" only equals "death of the opponent?" It's kind of disturbing, honestly. Just like they often claim that one side being "willing to kill" gives them an advantage as though these characters don't fight people trying to kill them every day of their lives.

It's just a battle, not a war. KO'ing the opponent is "winning" as much as anything else. Not to mention that of the two of them, Captain America is the one that has killed in the past, and would do so again if necessary. Batman's the one with the uber-strict "no killing" policy. Cap's been much less strict about the killing thing since 9/11. He doesn't usually go out of his way to do it, but he doesn't shed any tears if it happens.

That, and Captain America is just as well known for "always finding a way to win" so I'd say that trait cancels out.

if you read the post i was responding to, time was the issue, not death. troy was saying time would be on cap's side, i disagreed. the point is that, if we're talking long term, due to the endless tenacity and resourcefulness of the batman, killing him seems to be the only way to stop him from ultimately getting the drop on you. that's how the batman has been consistenty portrayed in modern comics. i see nothing disturbing about any of that.

[Raw Dog]

I tend to disagree on Batman/Captain America. Captain America is stronger, faster, more agile, and has limitless endurance compared to Batman, and even though his training started later, the Super Soldier Serum gave him the capability to learn far more quickly where physical activity is concerned. Couple that with four or so years of nearly-constant battle coupled with 10-15 years of superheroing "out of the ice" and Cap can easily go toe-to-toe with Bats.

That, and recall that Batman's "training his whole life" included far more than just fighting skills. Even in the DCU itself Batman isn't the greatest fighter out there, but he becomes "the most dangerous man alive" when you combine ALL his skills (which honestly...all combined are ridiculously unrealistic, but hey, it's comic books).

Fair enough, but I still think Bats would win. I mean, they're both great characters, and I'm sure it would be a great fight, but much like the Superman/ Hulk fight where Hulk has strength over Supes but Supes still wins, so to would Bats beat Cap because Bats has it over Cap in so many areas. I mean, Cap's shield is pretty cool, but think about that utility belt, I mean goddamn!

[Esquire]

Fair enough, but I still think Bats would win. I mean, they're both great characters, and I'm sure it would be a great fight, but much like the Superman/ Hulk fight where Hulk has strength over Supes but Supes still wins, so to would Bats beat Cap because Bats has it over Cap in so many areas. I mean, Cap's shield is pretty cool, but think about that utility belt, I mean goddamn!Here's how I see it, Cap has war experience, where situations typically demand that a person can act and think fast. While Batman is capable of doing that but not to Cap's level because he tends use stealth abilities and/or need some prep time. So if Cap sticks with Batman during the fight and doesn't let up, Cap would win. But if he allows Batman time to breathe, Cap is out.

[Esquire]

Not if Cap breaks Batmans back...Bane was only able to break Batman's back because he was exhausted from working around 3 months to recapture the inmates that Bane let loose.

[Megastar]

Man of Steel all the way.