Fore Shadowing of Snake Eye's death in Resolute?

[Sarge]

Yes, it sounds insane. But doesn't the Resolute Troopers filecard try and mislead you in that direction twice?

[Monkeywrench]

that would be crazy. Maybe that could be at the end and leave a cliffhanger in case it gets approved for a real season rather than a bunch of 5 minute shorts.

[1337W422102]

I think you're misinterpreting it, mate. It's just Cobra's pep talk, that filecard. "Our d00ds are the best," etc.

[Monkeywrench]

I can just imagine the "nerd anger" if SE gets killed.

[1337W422102]

I can just imagine the "nerd anger" if SE gets killed.
He's not going to die. The filecard is just Cobra mentally masturbating.

[Monkeywrench]

He's not going to die. The filecard is just Cobra mentally masturbating.

I feel the nerd anger building up already lol. I don't think they would kill him either. I do think it would be a nice suprise to "kill" him for a short time, then come back even more badass.

[jack138]

I would love to see snake eyes take a dirtnap.

[1337W422102]

I do think it would be a nice suprise to "kill" him for a short time, then come back even more badass.
Gaah, the generic comic-book cliché. "Oh no! Cyclops is DEAD!" First panel of next issue: "No, he's just asleep. My bad"

[Headman]

I don't want Snake Eyes killed, but I'd like to see him used like they did in season 2 of the original series. You know, he's there in the background but he's not really doing anything.

[Monkeywrench]

Gaah, the generic comic-book cliché. "Oh no! Cyclops is DEAD!" First panel of next issue: "No, he's just asleep. My bad"

yea i know it sucks. I would just like to see SE not be the main focus point of everything Joe for awhile and see what happens. I would like to see Beachhead be the main badass.

[Headman]

yea i know it sucks. I would just like to see SE not be the main focus point of everything Joe for awhile and see what happens. I would like to see Beachhead be the main badass.

I agree with this.

[Imperial_Ozma]

Honestly I have a feeling Snake-eyes might die, that's just the kind of stunt Ellis would pull... besides they can always pull a Devil's Due and revive him with Red Ninja Magick afterwards.


Gaah, the generic comic-book cliché. "Oh no! Cyclops is DEAD!" First panel of next issue: "No, he's just asleep. My bad"

nah, when they have a clever re-write, "oh but you see this is how I survived" it's cliche' but not nearly as bad as when they keep killing a character over and over for reals and brining them back (Jean Grey I'm looking at you!)

[1337W422102]

I know what you mean, Serpentor. Planet-destroying alien birds of fire all the way...

I agree with you, Monkeywrench. Snake-Eyes is a great character when used well, like early in the Marvel comic run. Badass and awesome when used right, but when overused/whored out, really sucked.

[Troynos]

Thankfully Chuck Dixon agrees that Snake-Eyes is best when used sparingly and will do so in the new comic series.

I would love it if Snake-Eyes did die in Resolute. There are going to be deaths and I thought I had heard it rumored that SE would be the one.

What does the filecard say?

[Lifeline_MD]

THats purely Cobra propaganda to make the troopers more than cannon fodder.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Thankfully Chuck Dixon agrees that Snake-Eyes is best when used sparingly and will do so in the new comic series.

I would love it if Snake-Eyes did die in Resolute. There are going to be deaths and I thought I had heard it rumored that SE would be the one.

What does the filecard say?

"They will face any enemy,even the ninja commando SE".

"How could one lone ninja hope to defeat a squad of Troopers armed to the teeth."

"Answer.....He cant."

[spacemonkeymafia]

THats purely Cobra propaganda to make the troopers more than cannon fodder.

Or could be to make them more the badasses they are.....SE is cool and a tuff dude but come on 20 of those guys....he wouldnt have a chance........Jedi's are very powerful but a bunch of Clone troopers made them have a bad week.....

[Troynos]

"They will face any enemy,even the ninja commando SE".

"How could one lone ninja hope to defeat a squad of Troopers armed to the teeth."

"Answer.....He cant."

That's the "foreshadowing"? Seriously? How does that foreshadow that he dies? There's nothing that says he dies. All it says is that the Troopers are tough and would be willing to face Snake-Eyes and feel that even he wouldn't survive against a squad of them.

Which he wouldn't be able to. Snake-Eyes isn't that good.

[spacemonkeymafia]

That's the "foreshadowing"? Seriously? How does that foreshadow that he dies? There's nothing that says he dies. All it says is that the Troopers are tough and would be willing to face Snake-Eyes and feel that even he wouldn't survive against a squad of them.

Which he wouldn't be able to. Snake-Eyes isn't that good.

Yeah i think its them talking trash....more or less.....

[COBRACOLLECTOR]

I would love to see snake eyes take a dirtnap.

me tooooo

so i dont get any more of them damm figures in the new line lol

yea right they would make like twice as many SE if he died

dammmmmmmm i cant win lol

[ZARTAN]

WHAT? the sky is falling !!
thats it resolute sucks im not buying anymore of this crap
if they kill snakeeyes what the hell is the point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NERD ANGER NERD ANGER ~~~~DANGER DANGER~~~~~~~

JUST KIDDING but i hope its not in the first couple episodes
he does get way to much play but you gotta admit he's the man!

[Troynos]

but you gotta admit he's the man!

No, no he's not.

[butter_the_pure]

I would love to see snake eyes take a dirtnap.

me too.

[spacemonkeymafia]

No, no he's not.

I agree the whole ninja thing is sooooooo played out......Im sick of SS also.....

[ZARTAN]

whatever
he's the man
they built this thing on his back
HATERS!

[Griff]

yeah beachead, falcon, mainframe maybe? I mean damn its not snake eyes and the rest of the joes is it? lol

[ZARTAN]

honastly
i dont even care like him or not whatever
kill him im not gonna loose any sleep over it

[Psyche-Out]

I think that resolute will use Snake Eyes in cool combat scenarios but I don't think that plot will revolve around him, and I think that' s the best way to handle these ninjas. They're better when their histories are mysterious.

[Shin Densetsu]

I honestly would not be surprised if Warren Ellis killed off Snake Eyes.

[Unclassified]

well snakes eyes dies, it sucks, imho. snake eyes is the man! snake eyes was the shit, as far as i remember! kill fllint or dukes corny ass!

[Lifeline_MD]

I think that SE shouldn't me THE main character, but I don't think that he should be killed off.

[ZARTAN]

no he shouldnt be the focus it should be about everyone
but he still shouldnt die just cuz some dude thinks he sucks !

[Troynos]

but he still shouldnt die just cuz some dude thinks he sucks !

Where did you get that? Where was it said that Snake-Eyes would be killed because the writer thinks he sucks?

[Unclassified]

imo snake eyes was the character that = bad ass, him an storm shadow! when i was a kid , i would always watch blackbelt theatre sunday, an loved ninjas, always was a ninja for halloween, loved the weapons, loved martial arts. snake eyes is a awesome character, an him gettin' killed , kinda' kills it for me!

[ZARTAN]

it dont say that but the vibe around here is that he should be killed
whatever man
i dont have to answer shit !

[Troynos]

it dont say that but the vibe around here is that he should be killed
whatever man
i dont have to answer shit !

Wow... calm down....


As long as it's a story-driven reason, go for it. If it's just to kill him off so people go "OMG!! They killed SNake-Eyes" then no.

He's way overused. Ninja Force pretty much killed the Marvel comic.

Ever notice the difference in Snake-Eyes use between early-Marvel comics, later Marvel-Comics, and the DDP comics?

DDP and early-Marvel were about the same. He was one of the top main characters, but wasn't the focus. Later Marvel-Comics, he was the focus.

[ZARTAN]

no worries
i understand completely what the issue is
i just dont get why people automatically say well they should kill him
or he sucks and im not even his biggest fan i love zartan there is like a hundred guys named s.e on this forum i grew up on lovin him and zartan as far as tuff lookin bad asses were concerned

but dont get me wrong i love the whole mythos
every freakin character even stupid ass metalhead "bang"

[Unclassified]

im not hip to the comics man, im hip to the toy line an cartoon from the 80's. comics didnt play a big roll where i was from. everyone i knew watched the cartoon an had the toys.

[DavAnthony]

It would be GREAT if they did take Snake eyes out, especially in the comics! But sadly that won't happen. It would be nice to have some focus on the roughly 300 other characters that exist in that universe but I'm just talking crazy talk right now.

[Troynos]

What's surprising is that in the cartoon, Snake-Eyes wasn't a promient character and didn't have the same connection with Storm Shadow. He wasn't a ninja in the cartoon. It was usually Spirit against Storm Shadow.

[ZARTAN]

i didnt know about the comics til 87'
but now i look at it from both perspectives

[ZARTAN]

yeah he did fight spirit alot
but you notice how he wasnt as bad as he could have been
like he was just cobra to get after zartan
with out any of us knowing because it hadnt unfolded yet

[ZARTAN]

in the comics

[Imperial_Ozma]

I honestly would not be surprised if Warren Ellis killed off Snake Eyes.

Agreed, the question is would Hasbro let him.

[Troynos]

Agreed, the question is would Hasbro let him.

That would depend on Hasbro's longterm plans for Resolute.

They already said that characters would die, if you don't kill off some major characters now and then, it's pointless to have people die. Need to kill off characters that people care about for it to have any impact.

So yeah, I really think that Hasbro would green light the killing of Snake Eyes. What better way to tell everyone that "things are different" and really get people talking.

I can't think of a better way to say "this is a whole new ballgame" then in killing off Snake Eyes.

[Shortfuse]

I had SE killed off once in my playtime mythos as a kid. I even had a funeral (kind of like the one in the movie, "THE BOY WHO COULD FLY") for him with a flag draped over his cardboard coffin. I buried him in the flowerbed and left him there for weeks. I eventually had SS did him up and revive him from the near-death ninja mind trance that SE put himself in to keep from really dying. It was all a ruse but I had to keep the story going w/o him for a while (this was when I played Joe almost every day). Cobra was pissed when he showed up on the battlefield again!

As for SE dying in Resolute....I guess I wouldn't be down with that as much. Maybe he could be horribly wounded and be taken out of the fight for an extended period of time but death is a little too much. All the kids who bawled in the theaters when Optimus Prime died in the TF movie would be sitting in front of their TV sets as adults, bawling their eyes out once more.

Kill off Heavy Duty and bring in Roadblock instead!

[Troynos]

I actually hope they kill Snake-Eyes.

[KnightDamien]

Nah. To look at it objectively, sure Hasbro says people will die in this 'toon. Sure occasionally you'll want death to have a real impact by being a character people at least somewhat care about.

But be realistic - it's Snake Eyes. Putting aside whether a given individual loves or hates him - SE is a huge part of the Joe Mythos. He's had how many figures now, all together in all Joe lines? Hasbro obviously thinks that as a character, SE's popularity and marketability is enormous. And this is a brand new 'toon. Killing him off right from the start would deprive them of being able to capitalize on his marketability later.

If Hasbro has any plans to possibly continue the cartoon if it's successful, which I'm sure they do, they'll not want to kill off anyone they feel they need. Fan-favourite B-list characters are almost certainly going to die before any A-listers like SE. Look for a character like Dusty, Airborne, or Wild Bill to die before SE does.

In the long-term, I can see SE dying eventually in this 'toon. But I -do not- see it happening in the very beginning. There's simply too much money to be made on the character. Might as well kill off Cobra Commander, Duke, Flint, Scarlett, and RoadDuty while you're at it.

It's just not logical, in my opinion.

[Troynos]

Nah. To look at it objectively, sure Hasbro says people will die in this 'toon. Sure occasionally you'll want death to have a real impact by being a character people at least somewhat care about.

But be realistic - it's Snake Eyes. Putting aside whether a given individual loves or hates him - SE is a huge part of the Joe Mythos. He's had how many figures now, all together in all Joe lines? Hasbro obviously thinks that as a character, SE's popularity and marketability is enormous. And this is a brand new 'toon. Killing him off right from the start would deprive them of being able to capitalize on his marketability later.

If Hasbro has any plans to possibly continue the cartoon if it's successful, which I'm sure they do, they'll not want to kill off anyone they feel they need. Fan-favourite B-list characters are almost certainly going to die before any A-listers like SE. Look for a character like Dusty, Airborne, or Wild Bill to die before SE does.

In the long-term, I can see SE dying eventually in this 'toon. But I -do not- see it happening in the very beginning. There's simply too much money to be made on the character. Might as well kill off Cobra Commander, Duke, Flint, Scarlett, and RoadDuty while you're at it.

It's just not logical, in my opinion.

It's completely logical, just for those reasons.

[TheLongestDay]

killing snake eyes would be like killing optimus prime....and we all know how that turned out.

Wether you personally like him or not he is the most popular character.

[KnightDamien]

..Huh? Just what reasons? Hasbro is now a company that does not like money? You're statement is confusing.

[Troynos]

I like Snake-Eyes. Not as much as other characters, and think he's way overused, but still like him.

I think he'd be the best one to kill off and make a big statement at the same time.

[Troynos]

..Huh? Just what reasons? Hasbro is now a company that does not like money? You're statement is confusing.

How would it really affect their money? Yes, he's very popular, but there are still alot of other characters that are as popular or near-to.

I really don't see the sales going down for Hasbro, they just won't be making any more Snake-Eyes figures. Which means they would then be able to make other figures that would take those spots.

How many people actually buy all the versions of Snake-Eyes? Snake-Eyes is a big peg warmer up here, one store actually has multiples of all 3 versions that are out (black outfit, timber and the silver butterfly knives).

What does that tell you? That yes, he's popular enough to warrant making multiple versions, but eventually, those versions won't sell. Arctic Snake-Eyes sold well, but I've seen that warming the pegs as well.

So what do you do? Take him out of the line-up and replace those slots with other figures. And at the same time you take him out dramiticaly and in such a way that it says "nothing is sacred" and "hold onto your hats, it's going to be a wild ride."

Seriously, if they killed off Snake-Eyes would you stop watching? Chances are no, you'd watch just to see what the next crazy thing they'd do would be. And it would make you latch onto your favorites and care more about them.

Because if Snake-Eyes could be killed off, that means no one is safe.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Screw it.....I say Warren should nuke all the Ninjas.....

[Troynos]

Besides, it would be just RESOLUTE Snake-Eyes. Movie Snake-Eyes would still be around. IDW Comic book Snake-Eyes would still be around.

So what's the big deal if they kill off Resolute Snake-Eyes? It's not like the character would disappear from the mythos, just wouldn't be a Resolute Snake-Eyes anymore.

[BadWolf]

KILL HIM........KILL HIM!!!!!!
that would be such a bold move, I would totaly respect it.
I love snake eyes but, I could see it happening.
We still get him in the comics anyway, let resolute have some shock value.

[TheLongestDay]

Im not totally against it,they can do whatever they want,but Snake Eyes IS the most popular GI JOE at the end of the day,he seems to be the one gi joe character that gets mentioned in polls and the one most non fans know.

[Troynos]

Is it really Snake-Eyes the character that people like, or Snake-Eyes the look??

I keep hearing "he's such a bad-ass". Okay, that can apply to anyone. You could call the same character Ice Cream Soldier and could be a bad-ass.

I think it's really the look of Snake-Eyes that is the popular featuere.

[spacemonkeymafia]

He and all the ninjas are over played.....give them a rest.....

[TheLongestDay]

He and all the ninjas are over played.....give them a rest.....

i think of Snake eyes as a commando with Ninja training so ninjas really dont have anything to do with the topic of wether Snake eyes will die or not.

[KnightDamien]

I really don't see the sales going down for Hasbro, they just won't be making any more Snake-Eyes figures.

I'm sure they would make more Snake Eyes figures even if he were dead. As you pointed out, he'd still exist, just not for the cartoon. But I'm not just talking about action figures, I'm talking about marketability of the character itself.

Think of it as the same reason Optimus Prime is still around even though he was killed off in the movie (Hasbro backpeddled because Optimus is a big name). It's the same reason there's a new Captain America (and the same reason Steve Rogers will be back eventually). Same reason they don't kill Batman, or Wolverine.

The intent is to keep your most marketable characters visible.


How many people actually buy all the versions of Snake-Eyes? Snake-Eyes is a big peg warmer up here, one store actually has multiples of all 3 versions that are out (black outfit, timber and the silver butterfly knives).

I wouldn't know how many do. Neither would you. I have every version of 25A/Modern Era SE, myself, I think. But that's mostly due to online case orders than intentional purchases.

I can say this though: I work retail and in my store whenever we get in a case or two of Joes, SE is always one of the first to disappear. Most recently, our peg-warmers were Roadblock and the non-SE DVD pack (from the first wave of DVD packs, which is all we have). Cobra Commander probably would count as a peg-warmer lately too, but I damaged out the ones we had because people had stolen the MASS Device pieces out of the packages.

Peg-warming happens for so many reasons that one's personal experience is practically worthless for really being able to tell what's selling and what isn't. What's true in one area is not in another. So unless you travel across all of the US and Canada regularly and check every store you drive past in your mighty journey. . .

So what do you do? Take him out of the line-up and replace those slots with other figures. And at the same time you take him out dramiticaly and in such a way that it says "nothing is sacred" and "hold onto your hats, it's going to be a wild ride."

Hardly. For the reasons I already mentioned - killing off an A-list fan-fav character just isn't good business, which is likely why it's almost -never done- (except in superhero/mystical-based comics where that character inevitably comes back in less than a year -- which doesn't seem like the tone of what Resolute is going to be like).

Hell, many franchises don't even like killing B-list characters, let alone A-listers.

I'm sure Hasbro and the execs in charge of the 'toon can come up with a whole lot of ways to express the 'nothing is sacred, hold onto your hats' vibe without killing SE, despite how much some Tankers would like it if they did.

Seriously, if they killed off Snake-Eyes would you stop watching?

Me, personally? No. But then SE isn't actually my absolute favourite Joe. He's in my top 5, but I'm a big Beachhead, Dusty, Outback and Flint fan. But I still can't deny how popular SE is. For every Tanker that expresses this unnatural hatred for him, there's likely a lot of people worldwide that love him and -might- loose interest without him. That's the power of A-listers, and the reason few franchises kill them.

I think a death scenario for SE would follow a similar trend to the death of Captain America (which I still submit will not last). They'll build up a different character slowly until they become popular, perhaps even bordering on a new fan-fav. That character will have ties to SE. And then when SE dies, the other, new fan-fav will take on a similar mantle. It would be a replacement, rather than a quick kill-off. Thus maintaining an A-lister rather than just dumping one haphazardly.

And Wolverine has a son now, apparently. That could be bad news for the ragin' mutant. But I digress.

In the above scenario - you'd never get it done in a handful of 5 or 10 minute episodes. It would be a slow build up while your 'new' character gains momentum and a fanbase. So like I said earlier, I view a Snake Eyes death as something that could happen, but almost certainly not in the first 'season' of this 'toon (unless, in the highly unlikely scenario that Hasbro has no plans to continue Resolute after this mini-series).


I think it's really the look of Snake-Eyes that is the popular featuere.

Even if that were so (which I don't think it is, but I won't expound on that now), it wouldn't matter. That look IS SE. Loose SE, loose the look and the popularity behind it. The only way to maintain it is to have someone else adopt the Snake Eyes garb. And the best way to do that is how I mentioned above - a slow build up toward replacing him with a new fan-favourite character like Marvel did with Captain America/Bucky.



But keep in mind, this is just my speculation. I'm fairly sure I'm right, but Hasbro could always prove me wrong. I'm certainly open to that possibility, however remote of one I may find it to be.

As an aside, I love trying to submit a post only to find out that the Tank logged me out while I was typing.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Even if that were so (which I don't think it is, but I won't expound on that now), it wouldn't matter. That look IS SE. Loose SE, loose the look and the popularity behind it. The only way to maintain it is to have someone else adopt the Snake Eyes garb. And the best way to do that is how I mentioned above - a slow build up toward replacing him with a new fan-favourite character like Marvel did with Captain America/Bucky.

But Steve Rogers if not soon will return before the movie hits....

[JohnnyRebel]

That's the "foreshadowing"? Seriously? How does that foreshadow that he dies? There's nothing that says he dies. All it says is that the Troopers are tough and would be willing to face Snake-Eyes and feel that even he wouldn't survive against a squad of them.

Which he wouldn't be able to. Snake-Eyes isn't that good.

No Snake Eyes IS that good. He would lynch them all easily.

[spacemonkeymafia]

No Snake Eyes IS that good. He would lynch them all easily.

Nah with todays Tech and I say maybe a team of 15 Cobra Troopers that would be one Ninja who wish he hadnt got out of bed that morning.

[Headman]

Scoop is cooler than Snake Eyes.

[gunslingercbr]

I'm not sure how saying Snake Eyes can't defeat a squad of Cobra Trooper by himself even remotely equates to him being killed. that's a huge leap to get to that conclusion. that isn't even reading into it, that is simply making something up that isn't there and trying to attribute it to it.

[Shin Densetsu]

Is it really Snake-Eyes the character that people like, or Snake-Eyes the look??
The character. When I was young I would hear "hey who is that one guy on gijoe that can't talk?, that guy is bad ass". His look changed a ton of times but people still love him. Amongst the fandom he is looked down upon and thought of as overrated. Amongst the casual and very casual fans, he is the most popular.

[Pimp Daddy Darklon]

Die? as in dead or in the Arashikage Mind something?? They'll never kill Snake-eyes permanently.

[Imperial_Ozma]

killing snake eyes would be like killing optimus prime....and we all know how that turned out.

Wether you personally like him or not he is the most popular character.


Killing Optimus Prime has become a tradition now... Across different Transformers continuities he's died on about a dozen occasions. Optimus dying is practically a running joke in the franchise now.

The many deaths of Optimus Prime - Transformers Wiki - Teletraan I (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime#Generation_1_Cart oon_Continuity)

Snake-eyes has only died once so far (in Devil's Due) he's due for another death, if he wants to catch up to Optimus Prime.

[TheLongestDay]

Killing Optimus Prime has become a tradition now... Across different Transformers continuities he's died on about a dozen occasions. Optimus dying is practically a running joke in the franchise now.

The many deaths of Optimus Prime - Transformers Wiki - Teletraan I (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime#Generation_1_Cart oon_Continuity)

Snake-eyes has only died once so far (in Devil's Due) he's due for another death, if he wants to catch up to Optimus Prime.

thats what I meant by "we all know how that turned out" lol :D

[Snake-Eyes23]

I can just imagine the "nerd anger" if SE gets killed.
man hell yeah id be pissed id fuck up the makers of resolute. duke should die.... always hated him

[Snake-Eyes23]

yea i know it sucks. I would just like to see SE not be the main focus point of everything Joe for awhile and see what happens. I would like to see Beachhead be the main badass.

bechhead sucks SnakeEyes should join cobra and then theyd win.

[RedLuvsSnakes]

bechhead sucks SnakeEyes should join cobra and then theyd win.

i second that!!

[fhersanke]

(Because if Snake-Eyes could be killed off, that means no one is safe.)



u re damn right

[SSG Mo]

I think some Joes taking a long hiatus would improve the overall franchise. I am so bored with Duke, SnakeEyes, and Flint.

[SSG Mo]

storm shadow should kill snake eyes.

[SSG Mo]

duke joins cobra and lowlight gives him a third eye.

[DaViper]

you know if they kill snake-eyes, Hasbro will bring him back again and again and again and again....

[Darth_Risar]

Considering the outrage when they killed off Optimus Prime in the 80s, I don't think it is likely.

[Firefly ~Cobra~]

I say kill him, but we all know he won't stay dead. As for the Captain America thing, Steve will be back starting July 1st LOL...


I just want to see more Firefly, so maybe have Firefly blow up SE...

[Python_Puckman]

you know if they kill snake-eyes, Hasbro will bring him back again and again and again and again....

They might even make a Ghost SnakeEyes out of clear blue plastic and he could hang with Yoda, ObiWan, and Vader.

[skatezaz]

well i think storm shadow is coming back to life. i read somewhere that hard master taught SE the 7th step of death but taught SS some sort of mystical rebirth method