New Poll G.I. JOE 25th Anniversary Fixed Crotch

[DESTRO]

New Poll G.I. JOE 25th Anniversary Fixed Crotch.


Do you like the new Fixed Crotch?

[artiepants]

i vote YES (reserving the right to change my vote if i decide i don't like it in hand)

[ogre_h]

YES! More articulation and vehicle compatibility are musts!

[Irid70]

I agree 100% with what Destro said on the other thread; they were perfect the way they were, like articulated statues.

[xhairs]

you need a dont care one lol

[slim19722]

I voted yes, but it really doesn't matter to me. They looked good before the fix and after the fix.

[Rama Sha]

I like anything that allows them to actually sit down. It was the biggest thing keeping me from saying that these guys were perfect..and now they are fixing it.

[ceraurus]

I'm going to wait until I see one in person to decide.

[Gentleman]

I won't get into an argument here. I'll just say: SHIT YES, HASBRO!

Now, if only all knees were ball-jointed like Scarlett's...

[Hicks_Royel]

Wow... there's a lot of no votes that I wasn't expecting. 11-10 as of this post.

I wonder why one would vote no. It's not like it's taking away from the look of the figure.

[DESTRO]

Wow... there's a lot of no votes that I wasn't expecting. 11-10 as of this post.

I wonder why one would vote no. It's not like it's taking away from the look of the figure.


IMO it really takes away from the all around looks of the figure. If you want to collect RAH I'm perfectly ok with that but let the new Joe line have its own appeal.

Point #2 its so easy to take an exacto knife and 2 minutes of work to make them sit right if you wish to "Fix" this issue.

[Monkeywrench]

I voted for no

[SHIPWRECK"N"POLLY]

new crotch. Now they can release a ton of vehicles and the figs will actually fit inside. sweeeeeeeeet!

[ltfalcon]

GI Joe is the grand daddy of action figures, starting back in 64 with 21 points of articulation. I will always take articulation, and poseability, over looks.
As a matter of fact the only other additional articulation that I can think of that Hasbro might cram into these little guys would be ball joint wrists and double joint swivel elbows.
The ball joint hands would also be cool with different extra hands posed like fist or kung fu grip.

[mister_e]

I voted No, I think it makes the figures (well, at least Stalker) look pretty terrible and detracts from the looks of the figure

[Hicks_Royel]

IMO it really takes away from the all around looks of the figure. If you want to collect RAH I'm perfectly ok with that but let the new Joe line have its own appeal.

Point #2 its so easy to take an exacto knife and 2 minutes of work to make them sit right if you wish to "Fix" this issue.

At the time of the first post, I hadn't been able to load the new Stalker images. I assumed the new crotch design was similar to Beachhead and Firefly. I agree that the latest attempt is not at all what the 25th line is trying to achieve in its appeal to collectors who are more likely to display the figures rather than play with them. I also agree that simply enlarging the radius of the hip socket is the better approach.

That said, Hasbro addressed the issue of making the figures fit into [old] vehicles the quickest [not best] way they knew how. The fact that only Stalker got this treatment suggests to me that they're testing the waters for fan feedback before making a permanent change to the line.

Still, knowing that three vehicles [and possibly more] are on the way, the issue needed to be addressed. This is an unfortunate sidestep to the goal, however.

[Gentleman]

Sure, it could be better. But if I have to pick, I'd take this over the inability to sit anyday.

NOW... if we're gonna talk about ugly articulation joints, the winner should be the one under their chests. It may work on characters like a Clone Trooper (because the shape of their chest armors can conceal it), or even on characters whose torso is quite plain (like SE, Stalker, etc), but I think it looks ugly on figures like the Crimson Guard or those with shirts like Duke and Flint, or Flash, etc.

Want more ugliness? Look at the heads from the sides.


In other words... this crotch fix was and is a no-brainer. I think there are much more important issues at hand.



And I still don't see how the double knee joint is better than a ball joint. Ball-jointed knees allow much more "cinematic" posing on the legs. Oh well.

[G.I.Eddie]

kinda looks like he has a massive wedgie

[vega-1]

I voted yes but I really don't care because I'm not going to buy the new ones because the old ones were already hard to find so it's to late and to little.

[Colder Soldier]

I agree 100% with what Destro said on the other thread; they were perfect the way they were, like articulated statues.


That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. For one thing, there is no such thing as an "articulated statue". Two: GIJoe is a TOY line not a series of articulated statues. Three: With all the OTHER problems some of these toys have with aesthetics (thin necks, gimpy hands, arms too short, legs too long, etc.), none of them should ever be considered "works of art".

[GunghosLipHair]

when i saw the fixed TAINT beachead i thought his GRUNDLE area looked pretty good. I do not think stalker looks as good because the change is much more drastic than on beachhead. i dont want these to look too much like the old figures in the crotch. I liked the diaper look but thought it could be a little less pronounced. Now it seems it is a little bit toO small. Happy medium = perfect.

[Compulsive Collector]

That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Then you obviously need to read more. Besides, this definitely tops it:

For one thing, there is no such thing as an "articulated statue". Two: GIJoe is a TOY line not a series of articulated statues. Three: With all the OTHER problems some of these toys have with aesthetics (thin necks, gimpy hands, arms too short, legs too long, etc.), none of them should ever be considered "works of art". First, I believe the original comment was that they were like articulated statues. Arguing semantics against a comparison on an action figure forum? Get real. Two: I can turn on my "Caps Lock" button, too. This is a TOY line that was designed for and marketed to collectors from the very beginning. Three: None of the figures I've opened have problems with the hands, and I love the way they look. If you have so little appreciation for the work done by Hasbro's team of sculptors, then I'd suggest spending your money on something else. Regardless of whether or not they meet your standards (:rolleyes:), they most certainly are works of art.

[Xerofall]

I've always thought the 25th figures were more along the lines of Spawn-McFarlane-type figures... they look amazing in poses on a shelf. However unlike most McFarlane figures, you can still play with the 25th figures like the olden days.

Meh... my $0.02 cents.

[GunghosLipHair]

I've always thought the 25th figures were more along the lines of Spawn-McFarlane-type figures... they look amazing in poses on a shelf. However unlike most McFarlane figures, you can still play with the 25th figures like the olden days.

Meh... my $0.02 cents.


I kind of agree with you . i felt these were more display first play second figures. Kind of like a tribute to the figures we all grew up around with a modern twist. i think the sculpts are more accurate and the figures are def. still play worthy. I see these as almost museum versions of the RAH line. Still the recognizable characters just updated with better sculpts and more realistic articulation. I love the RAH figures for play purposes but the 25th line just looks excellent on display and still plays well. If i had to pick i would choose the 25th line over RAH because i dont play with my figures that much anymore. I love to pose them in action scenes and battle formations. I can live with them not sitting down well over having an over pronounced crotch area. And believe it or not i have a 25th stinger driver sitting properly in my R.H.I.N.O with no ill effects. I also had one in my newer HISS with no problems . i did however remove the cockpit cover so he could be seen properly.

[General Hawk]

I'm ecstatic about the articulation change. The essence of the G.I. Joe toy from day one has always been about it's poseability and playability, so it's only right that a line celebrating the Real American Hero have those same qualities.

The detailing on the figure itself still looks fantastic, but they now have free range of motion in the hips. Can't go wrong.

Justin

[RedClaw]

I voted yes because the main selling point since the 60s was "America's movable fighting man" - these are supposed to be the MOST articulated Joes ever, and adding those extra degrees of range of motion are critical to me, so the figures can work with vehicles and accessories.

[vega-1]

That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. For one thing, there is no such thing as an "articulated statue". Two: GIJoe is a TOY line not a series of articulated statues. Three: With all the OTHER problems some of these toys have with aesthetics (thin necks, gimpy hands, arms too short, legs too long, etc.), none of them should ever be considered "works of art".

LOL! Amen Brother Amen...:D

[C.I.A.D.]

**Post deleted & re-written...too long, lol**


I'm happy that we have figures, period. I honestly don't care what kind of tooling they have. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't support pure shite either. But all things taken in to perspective...they're awesome, and it beats having nothing.

[Gentleman]

A few things,

a)

I don't think the figures have "flied off the shelves" because collectors are pleased with them 100%. What I'm trying to say is that the apparent success of the line doesn't imply that collectors consider the figures to be perfect. Many who complained about the lack of articulation still bought the product and have kept doing so.

Furthermore, there's 2 reasons the line seems to be successful:

1) The nostalgia factor aided by some actually good product here and there. I mean: some figures truly are great, other aren't. But collectors still buy the lackluster stuff for the nostalgia. And they will wait till a better (and hopefully definitive) version comes out.

2) A poor distribution that could well be altering our perception of availability & demand. Maybe the line isn't "objectively" extremely successful, maybe we think it is because we don't see anything in the shelves.





b)

Whether you like the crotch fix or not, something's got to be admited: Hasbro listened to its consumers.

I, too, never thought I'd hear/read people complaining about this fix. The poll results are unbelievable. Since day 1, I thought the "unanimous" complain was the limited articulation. If it wasn't the Baroness' inability to sit, it was the limited range of movement on Duke's arms, and so on.

Either way, I think we can all agree on something: more articulation is fine, as long as the aesthetics are taken into account to a certain degree. What we all want is the "just balance", I guess.





EDIT: Of course, you could always play the Fox Mulder card and say that Hasbro planned this fix from day 1. They just wanted to release non-definitive versions first. I mean, this has been happening with Star Wars since 1995. Be it on purpose or not.

[Compulsive Collector]

2) A poor distribution that could well be altering our perception of availability & demand. Maybe the line isn't "objectively" extremely successful, maybe we think it is because we don't see anything in the shelves. The line has performed far beyond the expectations of the manufacturer or the retailers. This has been discussed ad nauseam. You could hear the excitement in the Hasbro reps' voices in Atlanta when they talked about how successful it's been, like they were listing off the colleges that had accepted their children. I mean, the line was supposed to be two five-packs, and that's it. Now we have comic packs, vehicles, retailer exclusives, and a mail-away Doc coming. A shipment made its way to the states via air freight, rather than by ship, which is practically unheard of for toy lines.

On top of all that, the prices people are willing to pay on the secondary market leave no doubt that the demand is very real. Its numbers wouldn't match those of the Transformers movie toys, but it's still doing very well, or it wouldn't have as much of a future as it does.

I, too, never thought I'd hear/read people complaining about this fix. The poll results are unbelievable. Since day 1, I thought the "unanimous" complain was the limited articulation. If it wasn't the Baroness' inability to sit, it was the limited range of movement on Duke's arms, and so on. As has been said already, not everyone was complaining about that. Perhaps those who were just assumed everyone agreed with them, because people weren't arguing with them about it. Honestly, I don't think "limited articulation" fits into a discussion about 25th Anniversary G.I. Joe.

[Gentleman]

The line has performed far beyond the expectations of the manufacturer or the retailers.

Point taken. However, what I was trying to "get at" is the following:

On top of all that, the prices people are willing to pay on the secondary market leave no doubt that the demand is very real.

Remember 1995, when Star Wars came back. The figures were butt-ugly but they still "flied off the shelves", didn't they. And have kept doing so from then on. Now, I'm not saying the new 25th stuff is ugly. At all. But it ain't perfect (what is, anyways?). In other words: It's not that the line is successful just because the figures are kickass (which some are), it is also successful because of the nostalgia factor. Classic 80s GIJOE is back, just like Star Wars toys returned to the scene in '95. Back then, nostalgia also played a big factor in POTF2's success.

As has been said already, not everyone was complaining about that.

Certainly not. But I'm sure we all agree that the "main" complaint was limited articulation.

Honestly, I don't think "limited articulation" fits into a discussion about 25th Anniversary G.I. Joe.

Here's where I disagree. But well.

[Compulsive Collector]

Certainly not. But I'm sure we all agree that the "main" complaint was limited articulation. Actually, as I said in the other thread, I think the main complaint has been the lack of figures available at mass retail, followed by the inclusion of Snake-Eyes in every wave.

Here's where I disagree. But well. So which G.I. Joe figures in this scale have had more articulation?

And for what it's worth, I didn't get back into STAR WARS figures until the Episode I collection was released. The POTF2 figures I do have, I got for a steal at a convention. You're right; they were ugly. :D

[Gentleman]

So which G.I. Joe figures in this scale have had more articulation?

Oh. Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that articulation wasn't relevant for the 25th line, or something like that.

[the_loud_master]

i voted yes cause............i dont give a rats ass! as long as we have something im happy!

[Compulsive Collector]

Oh. Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that articulation wasn't relevant for the 25th line, or something like that. Oh, not at all. I just think these offer so much in the way of articulation, that I honestly can't complain.

[Gentleman]

Oh, not at all. I just think these offer so much in the way of articulation, that I honestly can't complain.

I do think they have a lot of articulation points, but some are limited in ways that make many collectors scratch their heads :p

The joints ARE there - they just don't work 100%.




Anyways... Hasbro's fixing it and I certainly celebrate it!

[DarthBrett]

When those POTF2 figures came out in June of '95 I thought they were awesome looking (I thought they were a major upgrade from the older figures)! Almost 13 years later it is really easy to say those figures are bad looking now, but this just wasn't the case when those figures hit (okay, the exception was the original Leia figure, she was definitely not very attractive even by 1995 toy standards).

[Snakefox]

hey looks like Stalker is getting all the attention!

Snake Eyes wants to join the action too.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/SNAKEFOX/IMG_2516.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/SNAKEFOX/IMG_2517.jpg

[apacolypse]

Yes for me.

As CIAD stated...I'm just happy to see GIJoe still going strong....just need to see them at retail more often.

My thoughts...these were being advertised as the "most articulated GI Joe figures yet". And I personally didn't care for the idea of giving up the ability to be compatible with existing product (vehicles) to have added articulation elsewhere. Bottom line is: Hasbro heard people complain about the not being able to sit properly...and is trying to fix it. Who knows...maybe this all came up upon the plans of adding the vehicles to the line. I'm sure it is easier and less expensive to create a crotch mold...than it is to retool a vehicle cab to fit a figure that sits with its legs farther apart.

I'm a vehicle collector as well as figure collector (as is my son)...if they are making this fix...I personally hope it is a sign that GIJoe is going to go full steam again. I'd love to have updated figures and vehicles...and yes, I'd like the figures to work well with the vehicles. Just my .02.

[Gentleman]

When those POTF2 figures came out in June of '95 I thought they were awesome looking (I thought they were a major upgrade from the older figures)! Almost 13 years later it is really easy to say those figures are bad looking now, but this just wasn't the case when those figures hit (okay, the exception was the original Leia figure, she was definitely not very attractive even by 1995 toy standards).

Yeah, I sorta liked them myself... but I also knew they weren't perfect and, more than anything, I was pissed at the fact that Han & Chewie couldn't fit in the Falcon :p

See a pattern here? LOL






Snake Eyes looks great!

[todd_m6d]

I voted yes.

Hopefully this is a sign of the end of the diaper crotch - V sit figure. Hasbro's putting the action back in action figure.

I'm glad we've seen it with Stalker, Breaker, and SE. I hope Hawk and Rock N Roll also benefit from the change.

[infin8ty]

I voted no! They look much better carded without the update. I guess it really does not matter now the damage is already done!

[the_loud_master]

hey looks like Stalker is getting all the attention!

Snake Eyes wants to join the action too.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/SNAKEFOX/IMG_2516.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/SNAKEFOX/IMG_2517.jpg
snakefox? are you my long lost cousin who is very nice and will give me snakes?

[Driftbot]

i voted yes for a few reasons...

better playability/posability
makes the first versions like the new generation of straight arm! :D
also glad to hear hasbro listened to us and made the changes!
THANKS 'BRO!

[G.I.Eddie]

i think it looks awful...like a massive wedgie, or a massive something else

[SpawnGuy]

Long time lurker and my first post here on the Tank. Just wanted to say great site! It looks good and the news is spot on.

I just wanted to say that everybody here is actually in agreement about articulation. Its the look that got us there that the debate is about.

I think the person who said "Articulated Statue" had a good point. They are so much more detailed then Rah ever was. As a long time Spawn collector I can tell you that there are a ton of McFarlane fans collecting G.I. Joe now. There is a huge thread over at spawn.com about the line.

I voted No, however if they do a better mold to cover up the metal leg ball joint that shows with the current fix and make it not stick out so bad I'm all for extra articulation in future waves.

[Colder Soldier]

Keep It Civil!

[Compulsive Collector]

I just wanted to say that everybody here is actually in agreement about articulation. Its the look that got us there that the debate is about. You are absolutely correct. :D

[Daywalker]

hasbro makes these changes for variant collectors, more variants = people buy more. They perfected that with the star wars variants as everyone had to have and now are doing it with GI Joe.

Long and short saber stars wars figures comes to mind.

That being said they should always focus on making figures that are more "fun" to play with then looks. These are toys first for kids and for collectors secondary imo.

[Shin Densetsu]

hasbro makes these changes for variant collectors, more variants = people buy more. They perfected that with the star wars variants as everyone had to have and now are doing it with GI Joe.

Long and short saber stars wars figures comes to mind.

That being said they should always focus on making figures that are more "fun" to play with then looks. These are toys first for kids and for collectors secondary imo.
I think they gave emphasis on sculpt and aesthetic this time around, because it was neglected before. When the "new sculpt" figures arrived in 2002, we had some great sculpts, but lacked articulation. This was followed up with the return of the O-ring and superior mobility in most figures compared to old. However aesthetics were compromised, with tiny torsos and limbs being too long. With the anniversary line, the design team chose to focus on aesthetics and sculpt. In this case, the compromise was hindered mobility. There are common complaints about the vintage figures and their sculpts, as well as tiny unrealistic thin crotch pieces. Same with the limbs that were too long on the "new sculpts". From here on out, I think the goal is to remove hindrances to mobility without sacrificing sculpt. I do like how the Snake Eyes mold has now been retooled with a crotch that enables more movement, but is not thin like the vintage figures. If anything its a balancing game, and I think our worries for hindered mobility will be erased for good next year, without compromising the sculpts.

[Shin Densetsu]

First of all, all of you need to realize these figures CAN be played with and are nowhere near as fragile as anyone makes them out to be. I can attest to this as all my model kits I have ever owned are broken, yet my anniversary joes are still in one piece. My main beef was with the soft plastic used in the hands, which contributed to my Snake Eyes having a stuck wrist and consequently breaking(fixed now and retains articulation but boy was that a trip).

Balance is needed between articulation and sculpt, so long as one is increased without destroying the other, we will have nothing to be mad about, and its already looking to go that way.

Yes Hasbro makes most of their profit from kids, but theres no doubt that a lot of collectors are actually fueling this line. For this year at least, this line is OURS.

[ltfalcon]

My two cents.
The only reason I can come up for this massive controversial subject is that their are Star Wars Fans that have taken a liking to the new Joes. Star Wars fans have always taken looks and realism first and articutation second. Joe fans have always taken articulation first and looks second. If you check the other long standing Joe boards they love the new modification with no complants, just appreciation for Hasbro listening to them.

[Gentleman]

It took them many years, but the Star Wars Hasbro team finally found a perfect balance between modern-day articulation standards and modern-day aesthetics standards. Sure, not all of their figures are great examples of this, but many are. And they keep delving into new territory. For example, check out the all-new ball-hinged wrists that the "upgraded" Commander Gree will sport:

http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TAC0803greeart.jpg

http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TAC0803greepose.jpg

I really didn't see that coming AT ALL.





...and the G.I.Joe team will eventually find that "middle point" for their new line. In fact, I think it's already sort of happening with wave 5.

It's not like we have to choose between articulation and aesthetics. Both can coexist in harmony! Some diplomacy (give and take) will be needed along the road though :p





oh and btw...

about the "long legs" and/or "small torsos" found in many modern-day (2000's), pre-25th joes: I don't think that happened because of the designers "giving in" to "articulation over aesthetics". That happened because of, well, bad design. Period :p

[the_loud_master]

It took them many years, but the Star Wars Hasbro team finally found a perfect balance between modern-day articulation standards and modern-day aesthetics standards. Sure, not all of their figures are great examples of this, but many are. And they keep delving into new territory. For example, check out the all-new ball-hinged wrists that the "upgraded" Commander Gree will sport:

http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TAC0803greeart.jpg

http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC/TAC0803greepose.jpg

I really didn't see that coming AT ALL.





...and the G.I.Joe team will eventually find that "middle point" for their new line. In fact, I think it's already sort of happening with wave 5.

It's not like we have to choose between articulation and aesthetics. Both can coexist in harmony! Some diplomacy (give and take) will be needed along the road though :p





oh and btw...

about the "long legs" and/or "small torsos" found in many modern-day (2000's), pre-25th joes: I don't think that happened because of the designers "giving in" to "articulation over aesthetics". That happened because of, well, bad design. Period :p
dude that gree looks sick. to bad he was in the movie for five minutes. can you post the url for the review?

[Gentleman]

dude that gree looks sick. to bad he was in the movie for five minutes. can you post the url for the review?

Sure. It's a sample that Curto was allowed to handle and take pics of.

http://www.rebelscum.com/story/front/Hasbros_STAR_WARS_QA_Special_Edition_Update_110354 .asp

http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC0803gree.asp

[C.I.A.D.]

It says a lot when members of other fandoms chime in to point out what everyone should already know:

Debate is healthy. Complaining isn't.

There are going to be people who enjoy both versions of the figure. There are those that are upset that they now have to buy new sculpts...but then again, didn't we all want a re-tooling after we were given "diaper crotches"?

With all due respect to everyone's opinion, aren't there bigger issues to address with this line such as:

1. AVAILABILITY

2. prone-to-breakage wrists

3. Shoddy Elbows


I'd much rather be able to find a figure and have him hold a weapon correctly than worry about whether or not he can sit in a perfectly upright position in a vehicle.

As Apacolypse said elsewhere...the re-tooling should have taken place with a yet unreleased wave, so that we are all introduced to new figures with the new tooling, rather than figures that we all already have. I mean..I'll be damned if I buy a 6th Zartan, LOL! :D

[apacolypse]

Yep. Unreleased line would of been the way to go.

The question is: Just how many people are going to go out, buy the re-tooled version of a figure they now own....to turn around and return the first version to the store?

Sales are gonna take a beating with issues like that.

[Compulsive Collector]

With all due respect to everyone's opinion, aren't there bigger issues to address with this line such as:

1. AVAILABILITY This is obviously the biggest issue for most people. I've been really fortunate, in that I've seen everything from the first three waves at retail, and most of it several times. Many others haven't been so lucky.

2. prone-to-breakage wrists I haven't experienced that.

3. Shoddy Elbows I've only had this problem with one figure, a Cobra Air Trooper whose elbow won't bend. If you try, the forearm just pops off, so I stopped trying. My other ten Air Troopers are all fine, though.

[Gentleman]

Say, you folks think we'll get some sort of wave 4 "revision" with fixed crotches? I really didn't expect to see Stalker getting the fix, so I'm getting kinda hopeful here.

[lt0778]

just enjoy them this joe line was dead for so long untill the 25th came out! and hasbro will get it right i have faith. bring on new chacters!!

[artiepants]

Say, you folks think we'll get some sort of wave 4 "revision" with fixed crotches? I really didn't expect to see Stalker getting the fix, so I'm getting kinda hopeful here.
i kinda doubt it'll be seen on Wave 4 ~ i think the primary reason we're seeing it on Stalker is cuz they fixed it for Wave 5 snake-eyes...

[Gentleman]

i kinda doubt it'll be seen on Wave 4 ~ i think the primary reason we're seeing it on Stalker is cuz they fixed it for Wave 5 snake-eyes...

True...

but then, they also did the fix for the Beachhead/Firefly mold, and that isn't used for any wave 5 figure.



Anyways, we'll see.

[DESTRO]

You can almost 100% count on getting a running change on wave 4.

[catofadiferntskn]

I was pretty taken back when I saw the posted pics. Why can't they get it right??? However after finding a fixed Stalker today, I think it is fine. I have very little problems with it, the cuts are a little more drastic than expected, and maybe more than needed. I assume they might be a little more cut out so when you switch over to the Duke/Flint legs you will keep the same articulation.

If you are making your decisions based on the pics, wait till you see it in person to make a final decision. Once in hand it is perfectly acceptable.

[Steel Brigade]

Well I now have all 3 fixed crotch figures. My original Firefly was this way & now I have the "fixed" versions of Stalker & Beachhead (as well as the originals)... And I have to say, look asthetic the originals are better, & to be honest if you find either BeachHead or Firefly WITHOUT the fix, it really doesn't make a difference as the fix is SO minimal that you barely get any extra movemnet outta them...
Stalker is a different story, the original version looks better, but the fixed version is a real throwback to the original style Joes & he sits perfectly flush, so if you want him for ANY vehicle, this fix is the way to go...if you just want them on the stands, then you should be happy with either although the originals do have a more pleasing visual asthetic. IMHO

[Gentleman]

DESTRO, hopefully you're right and we'll be getting wave 4 revisions.

Matter of fact, some already claim that this is happening, like with Gung-Ho. Hopefully, we'll find out for sure soon enough.

[ceraurus]

DESTRO, hopefully you're right and we'll be getting wave 4 revisions.

Matter of fact, some already claim that this is happening, like with Gung-Ho. Hopefully, we'll find out for sure soon enough.

I found wave 4 tonight, and none of them had crotch fixes. Of course, Roadblock, SS, and Destro weren't too bad to begin with. The only difference I could see in the few minutes I spent at the store was that Gung Ho did not have the anchor on his hat. I don't have any pics because I only bought air troopers (my BBTS pre-order arrives tomorrow, according to UPS). If there will be a running change, I wonder how long before we see it.

[Gentleman]

The only difference I could see in the few minutes I spent at the store was that Gung Ho did not have the anchor on his hat.


That's a correction many were asking for.

Nice...