Who Would Win? (Poll Version).

[CobraOfficer999]

Someone started a similar thread, so I am going to start a poll.
Who would win, The Galactic Empire or the Federation?
Or, If the battle took place in the Mirror Universe, The Terran Empire or the Galactic Empire? Personally, I think the two sides would slaughter one another till one side won.

[brcthrift]

Federation is good. Good always beats evil.

[Jefehawk]

i would vote for the cast of 3rd rock from the sun or Alf....

[Lantern_Lad]

I need a manual to figure out how to read the poll.

Federation for the win!

[Zarana]

I voted for everything. One for each timeline.

[Falcone]

Good always beats evil.

Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

[shepherdman]

I think it would depend on where. If I remember correctly, the Star Wars universe use Hyperspace routes, not FTL generated ships. So since the Federation is "unexplored" the Empire would not know their way around. Also, the Federation with its transporter and cloaking technology would have a huge advantage over the Empire. For some reason, even though Star Wars is 25000 years old, their technology seemed more on par with Battlestar Galactica and not as advanced as Star Trek. All that being said, Star Wars is way cooler.

[Falcone]

And to answer the question, Earth Force would beat the tar out of both of them.

[Sincline]

Star wars is at best a stagnant society, if not totally degressing, so the edge to me goes to star trek, 25k years and still not up to the same tech level as star trek = a loss no matter how you cut it.

For reference Transporters and matter replication to start with, Vader with his atoms spread across the quadrant isn't going to force choke anyone....

[CobraOfficer999]

I need a manual to figure out how to read the poll.

Federation for the win!

A Phyrric victory is a victory in which the winning military loses most of its' men during the course of combat. The first General, and its namesake, to have such a victory was Pyrrus of Greece.
In the alternate universe, the Federation's evil equivalent is the Terran Empire.
For more info on The Terran Empire:
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Terran_Empire

[BvH]

And to answer the question, Earth Force would beat the tar out of both of them.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[CobraOfficer999]

Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

Spaceballs. LOL.

[Colder Soldier]

Glad to see some rational, knowledgable people joining the convo.

And it doesn't matter how much kewler you think one over the other is. This is about facts.

What is it with those colorful glowsticks and dumbed-downed fairy-tale storyline we love so much...? ;)

[Raw Dog]

I think the UFP would win. The Galactic Empire existed a long, long time ago, and the UFP will be formed far off into the future. Therefor, it stands to reason that the UFP's technology is far more advanced.

[CobraOfficer999]

Glad to see some rational, knowledgable people joining the convo.

And it doesn't matter how much kewler you think one over the other is. This is about facts.

What is it with those colorful glowsticks and dumbed-downed fairy-tale storyline we love so much...? ;)

Thanks, man.

[CobraOfficer999]

Bump

[Jmacq1]

What does this have to do with G.I. Joe?

I was under the impression "vs" threads go in the spam-o-rama.

Anyway, strictly comparing primary media (films/television shows), the Federation slaughters the Empire. Massive technological superiority and not enough Force-Users on the Imperial side to make a tangible difference. The only issue the Federation would have is that they would try to fight honorably, fairly, and humanely, whereas the Empire would do whatever it takes to win. Still not enough to overcome the tech gap, but the Empire might score a few early victories just based on ruthlessness before getting stomped once the Federation really gets rolling. The Terran Empire would just slaughter the Galactic Empire outright.

Now, there is a segment of Star Wars fandom (often called "Saxtonites" (also known as "Maximalists") because they base their arguments off of the work of Curtis Saxton, who's best known for writing the "Incredible Cross Sections" books, that will argue that "realistically" the Empire would be a huge force with millions of Star Destroyers and the power of turbolasers is vastly more than phasers etc... etc... And cite all sorts of mathematical evidence.

But a good 90 percent of the Star Wars material out there doesn't support the Saxtonites' arguments, as "realistic" as they may be.

[rdodger]

Are the Klingons part of the UFP at the time of this struggle? Cause I'd definitely go with the Federation then. If it's the early Federation, then it might be a tough call. Now if the Borg were involved, then look out. Just imagine if the Borg had assimilated the Death Star. They'd be unstoppable.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I want to vote for the Cylons.

[Raw Dog]

What does this have to do with G.I. Joe?

I was under the impression "vs" threads go in the spam-o-rama.

Anyway, strictly comparing primary media (films/television shows), the Federation slaughters the Empire. Massive technological superiority and not enough Force-Users on the Imperial side to make a tangible difference. The only issue the Federation would have is that they would try to fight honorably, fairly, and humanely, whereas the Empire would do whatever it takes to win. Still not enough to overcome the tech gap, but the Empire might score a few early victories just based on ruthlessness before getting stomped once the Federation really gets rolling. The Terran Empire would just slaughter the Galactic Empire outright.

Now, there is a segment of Star Wars fandom (often called "Saxtonites" (also known as "Maximalists") because they base their arguments off of the work of Curtis Saxton, who's best known for writing the "Incredible Cross Sections" books, that will argue that "realistically" the Empire would be a huge force with millions of Star Destroyers and the power of turbolasers is vastly more than phasers etc... etc... And cite all sorts of mathematical evidence.

But a good 90 percent of the Star Wars material out there doesn't support the Saxtonites' arguments, as "realistic" as they may be.

I learned something reading your post.

I also don't think Jedi and Sith are as powerful as Star Wars fans give them credit for. Clone troopers wipe them out in Revenge of the Sith, which leads me to believe a contingent of Starfleet officers would have no problem with them. Well maybe not " no problem", but you get my point. It's not like Vader is going to be able to force crush the hull of the Enterprise.

I doubt Jedi mind tricks would even work on Spock. If Jaba can resist them then so can Spock.

The biggest disadvantage the Galactic Empire faces is cohesiveness. Their universe is against them whereas the UFP is united. It boils down to teamwork. The GE loses because they can't work together as effectively as the UFP IMO.

[CobraOfficer999]

Are the Klingons part of the UFP at the time of this struggle? Cause I'd definitely go with the Federation then. If it's the early Federation, then it might be a tough call. Now if the Borg were involved, then look out. Just imagine if the Borg had assimilated the Death Star. They'd be unstoppable.

Yes, and the Terran Empire has conquered the Klingon homeworld.

[Raw Dog]

The Death Star is weak. The UFP could take it out with a photon torpedo. Game Over!

[alcinde4]

I have no idea what the hell is going on in here. Is there a translator in the house?

[CobraOfficer999]

I have no idea what the hell is going on in here. Is there a translator in the house?

The Federation, or its Mirror Universe Equivalent, the Terran Empire, is facing the Galactic Empire.

[CobraOfficer999]

What does this have to do with G.I. Joe?

I was under the impression "vs" threads go in the spam-o-rama.

Anyway, strictly comparing primary media (films/television shows), the Federation slaughters the Empire. Massive technological superiority and not enough Force-Users on the Imperial side to make a tangible difference. The only issue the Federation would have is that they would try to fight honorably, fairly, and humanely, whereas the Empire would do whatever it takes to win. Still not enough to overcome the tech gap, but the Empire might score a few early victories just based on ruthlessness before getting stomped once the Federation really gets rolling. The Terran Empire would just slaughter the Galactic Empire outright.

Now, there is a segment of Star Wars fandom (often called "Saxtonites" (also known as "Maximalists") because they base their arguments off of the work of Curtis Saxton, who's best known for writing the "Incredible Cross Sections" books, that will argue that "realistically" the Empire would be a huge force with millions of Star Destroyers and the power of turbolasers is vastly more than phasers etc... etc... And cite all sorts of mathematical evidence.

But a good 90 percent of the Star Wars material out there doesn't support the Saxtonites' arguments, as "realistic" as they may be.

It doesn't have anything to do with Joe; it's just for fun. Who is Saxon, BTW?

[downfall1]

This poll is confusing as heck, rereading it now I realized I accidentally clicked the wrong one. If there is a way to edit your wording I advise you to do so, then more people would understand and be able to vote. Thanks.

[CobraOfficer999]

This poll is confusing as heck, rereading it now I realized I accidentally clicked the wrong one. If there is a way to edit your wording I advise you to do so, then more people would understand and be able to vote. Thanks.

Ok, I'll try to explain what's what. In Star Trek, they have the concept of multib realities, two of which are our universe and an evil mirror universe. In our universe, the Federation (UFP) is the power run from Earth. In the Mirror Universe, which is a twisted version of our own, the Power from Earth is the Evil Terran Empire.
As for the options, I made eight, as I see 8 possible out comes for the conflict between Terrans/Federation and the Galactic Empire.

The eight options are:

1. A Phyrric Victory for the Empire Vs. The UFP
This would be a victory for the Empire in which the Empire looses most of its' men to the Federation (UFP)

2. A Phyrric Victory Vs. The Empire for The UFP
This is the reverse of the above

3. No Contest victory would be a victory in which one side (Terran Empire, Federation(UFP) or Galactic Empire) Hardly looses men.

No way to change wording, I think I'll just start the poll again.