who would win?

[Darkseid83]

United Federation of Planets or Galactic Empire?

Personally, I think the Empire would rip thru the Alpha Quandrant and not only kill the federation, but every other race as well. But what do u all think?

[Zarana]

Which one has more rancors?

[skinny]

J.J. Abrams and George Lucas, and their accountants.

[musashi3000gt]

What fucking Joe universe are you talking about? Was this part of the comics or something?

[Darkseid83]

What fucking Joe universe are you talking about? Was this part of the comics or something?

Yes, yes it was.

[fredro]

Empire.
The federation is too pussy to win that fight.
The federation would never destroy a planet just to get information from a teenage girl much less a inhabited planet. That's a Thursday morning coffee break for the empire.

[Neuspeaq]

Empire.
The federation is too pussy to win that fight.
The federation would never destroy a planet just to get information from a teenage girl much less a inhabited planet. That's a Thursday morning coffee break for the empire.

I CANNOT express just how WIN this post is!!!!!!

QFT.

[CobraOfficer999]

Adm. Kirk and Fleet would give the Empire a run for its's money until the Sith overran them. And, with the best Klingon , Romulan, and Cardassian fleets joining the fight, The Empire would only gain a Phyrric victory. Unless, we're talking alternate reality Terran Empire Vs. The Empire, in which case a Phyrric victory would go to the Terran Empire. Either way, it would be a razor's edge of a fight.

[Ruin]

This has been argued to death, but here is the one incontrovertable issue that should solve this thing forever.

As handy as Starfleet is in engaging Dues Ex Machina in the form of psuedo-science to solve every issue, we're still dealing with a rather small sub-galactic confederation that's only been capable of faster-than-light travel for about five or six hundred years.

How long does the Lucas-approved Star Wars universe's FTL history extend? Didn't they start mapping out hyperspace routes some 80,000 years before Yavin? Presumably before that, they probably had something like the more primative Warp drive.

In any encounter, The Federation would be facing technology tens of thousands of years more advanced than itself with resources that span a Galaxy, not just a part of a quadrant.

I would be surprised if the war lasted a week.

[Neuspeaq]

This has been argued to death, but here is the one incontrovertable issue that should solve this thing forever.

As handy as Starfleet is in engaging Dues Ex Machina in the form of psuedo-science to solve every issue, we're still dealing with a rather small sub-galactic confederation that's only been capable of faster-than-light travel for about five or six hundred years.

How long does the Lucas-approved Star Wars universe's FTL history extend? Didn't they start mapping out hyperspace routes some 80,000 years before Yavin? Presumably before that, they probably had something like the more primative Warp drive.

In any encounter, The Federation would be facing technology tens of thousands of years more advanced than itself with resources that span a Galaxy, not just a part of a quadrant.

I would be surprised if the war lasted a week.

Again W-I-N!!!!!

[Jefehawk]

I heard Mork and Mindy is coming back to TV.

[Raw Dog]

I think the UFP would win because they are a congregation of like minded, technically advanced, space faring societies whereas the Galactic Empire is a totalitarian regime. A portion of the GE's resources would have to be used keeping their own members inline while the UFP need only continue to work in concert against them. Plus, the UFP has Data, and it would only take him at most 2, 44 minute intervals to figure out a way to defeat the GE.

[Colder Soldier]

Hmm. A bunch of toy geeks debating the Empire vs Federation. I really wonder how the majority here will sway. Lol.

Anyway. For all this tech the fantasy-based Empire has, why does it take an entire space station for them to blow up a planet? Why can't they make a clone that shoots straight? The only thing the Federation would need to do is teleport a few Ewoks onto the nearest Star Destroyer (which they couldn't prevent), sit back, and watch the hijinks ensue as those little bears bend them over again.

The Galactic Empire (and Star Wars in general) is laughable.

[Raw Dog]

The Rebels would likely side with the UFP anyway, so it really wouldn't be much of a fight IMO.

[speedlgt]

well trekies are just sad and jedi are just badass.....so well star wars wins in any universe.

there is a video on you tube thats really cool and funny where picard is fighting vaders star destroyer and picard is owning the fight untill vader force chokes him and its over.

[Darkseid83]

Just a portion of the Empire's fleet lead by a superstar destroyer would wreak havoc on the federation and anyone else in their galaxy. Complete galactic rapage would occur. Also this is all without the force. Add in either the force or the Death Star and it'd be even worse. The federation attacking the death star would be much like them attacking the Borg cube, complete destruction of their fleet and then planets. With the force, just make their heads explode.

[Raw Dog]

The Galactic Empire was taken down by a band of Rebels. What chance would they have against the entire UFP?

[Colder Soldier]

Kirk has gotten more ass than every Jedi there ever was combined.

Not being allowed sex, the closest thing they get is by attacking each other with their phallic glowsticks. Sad.

And Vader wouldn't get to force choke anybody. I'm sure with nothing but a spoken command the ship's computer could pinpoint, dampen, and if need be attack any person's using an accelerated midichlorian ability for miles around.

[Colder Soldier]

Just a portion of the Empire's fleet lead by a superstar destroyer would wreak havoc on the federation and anyone else in their galaxy. Complete galactic rapage would occur. Also this is all without the force. Add in either the force or the Death Star and it'd be even worse. The federation attacking the death star would be much like them attacking the Borg cube, complete destruction of their fleet and then planets. With the force, just make their heads explode.

Obviously your Trek knowledge is lacking my friend. Please, please, please, don't ever compare the Death Star to a Borg Cube again.

The Death Star is weaker than Oberth Class Starship. ANY ship in Starfleet can destroy a planet. It would only take them a second to outfit the right torpedo.

Star Trek ships have shields. Shields that would easy deflect any blaster bolt fire. These shields can also be used to concentrate and direct phaser fire off their surfaces. Seriously, Star Wars ships might as well be using spitballs.

Please, I know Star Wars is more popular, but really, seriously, ST vs SW is no contest. The Enterprise by itself could defeat the entire Empire.

[Ruin]

I think the UFP would win because they are a congregation of like minded, technically advanced, space faring societies whereas the Galactic Empire is a totalitarian regime.

A totalitarian regime of programmed genetically enhanced clones that don't care what you think of their politics. The Empire takes no exception to the Kahn Noonan Singhs of the world, and have embraced the superiority of cloning and humanoid engineering. Oh, and they'll be cranking them out by the tens of thousands while Starfleet is flunking cadets out of principal.

A portion of the GE's resources would have to be used keeping their own members inline while the UFP need only continue to work in concert against them.

A trifle when the UFP will be outnumbered maybe my as much as a hundred to one, even if such a problem existed.

Plus, the UFP has Data, and it would only take him at most 2, 44 minute intervals to figure out a way to defeat the GE.

And it would take a credit-a-dozen astromech about three seconds to slice into Data's brain from the other end and have it's way with hiim...

[Darkseid83]

Oberth Class, seriously a science ship vs the death star with It's 2 phaser banks and 1 torpedo tube? Against the death star and all its tie fighters? If it didn't O.S.O.K. the ship quickly, sheer numbers would blow it to Hell. Then as for the federation, I compared the Death Star to the cube, because tu way I see it, the Death Star would lay waste to them all, very much like the battle at wolf 359.

[Darkseid83]

A totalitarian regime of programmed genetically enhanced clones that don't care what you think of their politics. The Empire takes no exception to the Kahn Noonan Singhs of the world, and have embraced the superiority of cloning and humanoid engineering. Oh, and they'll be cranking them out by the tens of thousands while Starfleet is flunking cadets out of principal.



A trifle when the UFP will be outnumbered maybe my as much as a hundred to one, even if such a problem existed.



And it would take a credit-a-dozen astromech about three seconds to slice into Data's brain from the other end and have it's way with hiim...


I will agree with this.

[Darkseid83]

If the Sith is included, imagine how Star Killer was in Force Unleashed, I figure Vader and the Emperor could just force crush ships between the 2 of them. I know it didn't happen in the movies, but that was because CG wasn't able to show that. So, between the force and sheer numbers, the empire would eat them alive.

[Ruin]

Obviously your Trek knowledge is lacking my friend. Please, please, please, don't ever compare the Death Star to a Borg Cube again.

The Death Star is weaker than Oberth Class Starship. ANY ship in Starfleet can destroy a planet. It would only take them a second to outfit the right torpedo.

Star Trek ships have shields. Shields that would easy deflect any blaster bolt fire. These shields can also be used to concentrate and direct phaser fire off their surfaces. Seriously, Star Wars ships might as well be using spitballs.

Please, I know Star Wars is more popular, but really, seriously, ST vs SW is no contest. The Enterprise by itself could defeat the entire Empire.

The problem with "this starship can destroy a planet", or other quotes in StarTrek is one of inconsistency of narrative. No starship from either universe had ever destroyed a planet in the way the Death Star did. The only thing did anything similar was the Genesis device, and that was such a big deal that they made a whole movie about it with Dr. McCoy pointing out the destructive nature and pontificating about "who the right hands" were. I doubt he would have bothered if a ship in starfleet could have accomplished something similar...

A borg cube could probably be handled by a squadron of B-Wings.

[Darkseid83]

General characteristics Class Sovereign Registry NCC-1701-E

Auxiliary craft Shuttlecraft Captain's yacht Argo

Armaments:
16 Phaser Arrays Phasers
Photon
torpedoes
Quantum torpedoes

Defenses:
Deflector shields

Propulsion:
Impulse engines
Warp drive
RCS Thrusters
Power Warp reactor
Mass 3,250,000 metrictons
Length 685.7 metres
Width 282 metres
Height 75 metres

[CobraOfficer999]

Let's put this to a poll.

[Darkseid83]

Class Initially Imperator, later Imperial

Fighters 6 TIE squadrons (72 Ships)

Auxiliary craft 2 Lambda-class shuttles

Armaments Turbolasers Ion cannons Tractor beam projectors

Defenses Shield generators

Propulsion Solar ionization reactor

Length 1,600 meters (5,200ft)

Width 1,015 meters (3,330ft)

[Darkseid83]

Let's put this to a poll.

I knew I forgot something

[Colder Soldier]

Oberth Class, seriously a science ship vs the death star with It's 2 phaser banks and 1 torpedo tube? Against the death star and all its tie fighters? If it didn't O.S.O.K. the ship quickly, sheer numbers would blow it to Hell. Then as for the federation, I compared the Death Star to the cube, because tu way I see it, the Death Star would lay waste to them all, very much like the battle at wolf 359.

Yes, an Oberth class. The weakest ship I could think of. Because one transphasic tordedo shot from it's one tube would be one-shot-one-thousand-kills. One of those thousand kills would the near-defenseless Death Star.

As I said before, Star Trek shielding is the key. What makes the Borg so powerful as to which they can take on a Starfleet Armada is their ability to deflect pretty much any form of mass/radiation simply by creating a specific shielding that can absorb it. They can do this within seconds. So any "bullet" they may be hit with will never work twice. There's no way to change the frequency of a blaster bolt so the empire might as well be shooting spitballs.

The Empire vs the Enterprise would be much like Wolf 359. With the Enterprise in place of the Cube. Not the other way around. It seems you should know this...or maybe you just like geeky debates. :)

[Viperscout 7]

the empire was taken down by a bunch of teenagers and teddy bears what kind of chance would it have against experienced leaders and strategists from the UFP
and like Ruin stated UFP flunks cadets that can't hack it
the Empire would take years to clone and train new troops to fight
and even more time to make NCOs there are very few true leaders in the Empire because those guys get force chocked to death by Vader

[Ruin]

and like Ruin stated UFP flunks cadets that can't hack it

No, they like flunking brilliant cadets like Crusher because of insane bell-curves forumated from some imbecile admin watching too many Highlander reruns.

Cloning takes far less time than Starfleet training, and they breed leaders with batches.

[speedlgt]

star trek has crap for starfighters, how is a fed ship gonna deal with a swarm of tie fighters and bombers?

I understand that a fed ship may have more science behind it but that dont make it un beatable.

even if I was to concede that trek has better ships ( which is not 100%)the empire has better starfighters, w warp drives, plus better skilled fighters, and 2 force users, both of which are beyond any power in the trek universe.

the only real advantage I give trek is the beaming but if they could beam ships then they could win but beaming people would be crap. I have never seen a trek officer who could really kick any ass. Kirk maybe the best or spock but over all they cant beat vader, fett, and would have hard time with the best clone troopers. at best kirk is a brawler with stong boxing skill and luck, he fails compared to some like Jango Fett whos skilled in a whole slew of areas.
granted I can see kirk and spock killing a bunch of storm troopers but thats a bout it.
Trek is all about ships and naval tactics starwars goes beyond that w dog fighting, ground troops (snipers infantry and such) droids, bounty hunters, and most of all the force.

I just dont see trek winning at all.
if its a ship to ship battle then yeah I can see it as long vader is not there.

[downfall1]

I'm not extremely knowledgeable about star wars or star trek but i do know that Imperial star ships have similar shielding to that of federation ships so if everyones shields are operational the only weapon that can be used is the force meaning automatic imperial victory. If somehow shields weren't in play the empire would win just by sheer numbers. The imperial navy alone is said to contain up to 15 billion soldiers (twice the population of earth) while yes they are never all in one spot as they have to be all around the galaxy if war was to ensue the empire would win just by attrition. You also have to think that war would not be won just by space conflicts but each faction would need a large land presence to conquer and control planets (or in the federations situation liberate). The Federation is not known to have a very large army, while the Imperial army and marines is said to number close to 100 billion if not more. And given the fact that the death star is the ONLY ship in either universe controlled by either faction that can destroy a planet it could be used to travel along blowing up planets containing large Federation bases if the empire was desperate enough. All in all if the federation were to be pitted against the empire the empire would unarguably win. (some people may use the rebel alliance defeating the empire as an example but it still took them centuries after the movies to fully wipe out the empire and the only reason they could is because they had jedi.)

[CobraOfficer999]

I knew I forgot something

I've got one up now. http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-toys-modern-general-discussion/249471-who-would-win-poll-version.html

[Ruin]

Er, wasn't the Empire taken down by a repentant Sith Lord throwing his master down a glow-hole?

[haradrel]

Bitch please

Federation goes back in time and either ambushes the Empire, or destroys the leader echelon before it is born.
With all the Sith powers, looking forward and backwards in time, they can't move through time and change the past and future, the Federation can, heck half of the episodes are about time travel in some form or another :p

[Darkseid83]

I'd also like to see the mandalorians versus klingons versus the jem' hadar in a 3 way brawl.

[CobraOfficer999]

Kirk Vs. Han Solo in a blaster vs. Phaser duel. Who would win?

[Zarana]

Star wars people are space wizards that come back from the dead and tell teenagers how to do stuff, so them

[Headman]

The Empire killed off the Jedi. The federation wouldn't stand a chance.

[Darkseid83]

Kirk Vs. Han Solo in a blaster vs. Phaser duel. Who would win?

Han, but not by much.

[Zarana]

Kirk Vs. Han Solo in a blaster vs. Phaser duel. Who would win?

Han, but then Lucas would change it so Kirk shot first.

[CobraOfficer999]

Capt. Kirk Vs. Han in a fist fight. Who would win?

[speedlgt]

kirk vs Han is a fight that I have discussed with several friends for a long time.

Han is a better pilot, in reality hes not so much captain, but pilot of the falcon. and hes an ace pilot kirk has never been shown to be a ace pilot so if its a dog fight Han wins

Ship to Ship, Kirk is a better captain and slightly a better leader but only cause hes been a leader longer and seems to be a born one. Han is a leader but seems to grow into the role Kirk also has a more advanced ship than han with more powerful weapons so Kirk wins that battle

Hand to Hand Han is better, hes bigger and seems to have more experience fighting bounty hunters and scum. Also Han seems to get his hads dirty more than kirk does. However Kirk has good punch but Han would win in fist fight.

Gun fight its not even close! Han is pure gunslinger and while kirk may have better phaser Han is straight up gangster! with a blaster.
any guy who wins a gun fight by shoot a bounter hunter from under a table is badass!

[Raw Dog]

Han might beat Kirk in a gunfight, but Kirk would destroy Han in a fist fight or a dog fight. Han's only hope would be to evade Kirk and maybe hide in an asteroid that's really a space worm.

Kirk is a trained soldier/ space explorer that can go toe to toe with a Vulcan. Vulcans are super strong. Han is a smuggler. He's a criminal, more apt at running away than standing his ground and fighting.

Kirk can also bag more honeys than Han, and that's all that really matters.

[Angry.Android]

Ok, i preface this by saying i enjoy star wars much more than star trek, but at the end of the day trek wins. hands down.

Most trek ships have powerful energy shields that encompass the entire ship. Wars ships only have energy screens, which are angled to various vectors. Vectored screens allow for exploitable weaknesses.

Most trek ships have photon torpedo launchers which can handle quantum torpedoes and tricobalt torpedoes which have immense yields. Also, trek torpedoes are guided and programmable.

Most trek ships have Transporters...and this is really the whole effin show. You have a device that can beam boarders, or more importantly bombs/gas/etc directly onto a vessel that is not wholly encompassed by an energy screen.

Those three technologies would pretty much pwn any wars vessel.

[speedlgt]

Han might beat Kirk in a gunfight, but Kirk would destroy Han in a fist fight or a dog fight. Han's only hope would be to evade Kirk and maybe hide in an asteroid that's really a space worm.

Kirk is a trained soldier/ space explorer that can go toe to toe with a Vulcan. Vulcans are super strong. Han is a smuggler. He's a criminal, more apt at running away than standing his ground and fighting.

Kirk can also bag more honeys than Han, and that's all that really matters.

I dont see how kirk wins a ariel dog fight when the best hes got is a shuttle landing craft? also hes a captain not a fighter pilot.
Kirk has good boxing skills but I dont see him beating a street harded Han Solo, kirk spends most time in the captains chair not fighting like han does. also Kirk from the movies doesnt look to be in the best shape. Han seems stronger

[Raw Dog]

I dont see how kirk wins a ariel dog fight when the best hes got is a shuttle landing craft? also hes a captain not a fighter pilot.
Kirk has good boxing skills but I dont see him beating a street harded Han Solo, kirk spends most time in the captains chair not fighting like han does. also Kirk from the movies doesnt look to be in the best shape. Han seems stronger

Millennium Falcon vs Enterprise: result; MF turns tail and runs.

Han doesn't get into many fist fights in the movies I've seen whereas Kirk gets into at least one per episode. He's a master of the low drop kick, and the double handed sledge. Kirk would destroy Han.

I mean Han isn't really that powerful at all. He has to shoot Greedo under the table because in a straight up fight, Greedo would have blasted him. I mean, Lucas made Greedo shoot first because he realized how much of a pussy Han was.

Han destroys a couple of Tie Fighters in a New Hope, but only by attacking from behind during the Death Star attack. He gets frozen in Strikes back and in Return the Ewoks defeat the Empire. He spends the rest of the time running and hiding.

Their escaping in a New Hope when they leave Tatoine, he takes him money and runs, then attacks from behind at the end. They run again when they leave Hoth and are hiding on Cloud City. I mean basically the guys a coward.

Kirk on the other hand constantly breaks the prime directive so he can go toe to toe with Gorns, Klingons, and Vulcans all of whom are physically stronger than humans. Kirks a bad a$$. He beams down to the planet. Sticks his nose into the local populace's business. Bangs the hottest chick on the planet and then kicks the biggest local's butt.

Kirk over Han anyday of the week. He'd spank Luke and Vader too. Kirk is the Batman of sci fi.

[speedlgt]

Millennium Falcon vs Enterprise: result; MF turns tail and runs.

Han doesn't get into many fist fights in the movies I've seen whereas Kirk gets into at least one per episode. He's a master of the low drop kick, and the double handed sledge. Kirk would destroy Han.

I mean Han isn't really that powerful at all. He has to shoot Greedo under the table because in a straight up fight, Greedo would have blasted him. I mean, Lucas made Greedo shoot first because he realized how much of a pussy Han was.

Han destroys a couple of Tie Fighters in a New Hope, but only by attacking from behind during the Death Star attack. He gets frozen in Strikes back and in Return the Ewoks defeat the Empire. He spends the rest of the time running and hiding.

Their escaping in a New Hope when they leave Tatoine, he takes him money and runs, then attacks from behind at the end. They run again when they leave Hoth and are hiding on Cloud City. I mean basically the guys a coward.

Kirk on the other hand constantly breaks the prime directive so he can go toe to toe with Gorns, Klingons, and Vulcans all of whom are physically stronger than humans. Kirks a bad a$$. He beams down to the planet. Sticks his nose into the local populace's business. Bangs the hottest chick on the planet and then kicks the biggest local's butt.

Kirk over Han anyday of the week. He'd spank Luke and Vader too. Kirk is the Batman of sci fi.

sorry bro and on to you I apply the lowest insult in the history of geekdom..................TREKkIE!

and on that note han wins cause he shoots first! LOL!

[meandnooneelse]

Oderus Orungus of GWAR would destroy both the Star Wars and Star Trek universes all while ejaculating in the faces of Spider-Man, Batman, and the Avengers!

[Ruin]

Raw Dog pretty much has it.

However, yes the MF runs because that's what it's built for. That's what the tendency of it's crew is.

It should be noted, however, that the MF shielding systems are technology from an age where beam weapon output are exponentially more powerfull than anything in the Trek Universe. It's highly plausible that a direct hit from a barrage of an Enterprise D class starship does negledgable damage to it's sheilding...

[CobraOfficer999]

Since the first poll I posted confused people, here is the revised version: http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-toys-modern-general-discussion/249809-who-would-win-revised-poll-version.html