Are you going to keep collecting even with this new plastic?

[Gatchaman]

If Hasbro keeps using this new cheap plastic even after the movie figures are done are you going to keep collecting?

I’m just curios because this new plastic is pretty horrible. The figs don’t stand well because the legs and body are so rubbery. They also don’t hold things in their hands very well because of the same reason. It’s even hard to move legs and arms because they just want to bend instead of moving at the joints like they are suppose too.

I really want those unmade figs Hasbro showed us last week but it would really stink if they were all made with this new plastic.

What are your thoughts?

[nerdsgetchicks]

I agree with the plastic. I find that once you place on the pegs, you better leave it in place! I am using what few ME figures I get as display only.

For example: The Renegades 4 pack Amazon exclusive set. The Strom Shadow and Ninja figures do not fit on the peg for S#!T!!

[PhantomStranger]

I've been collecting for many years now. I've been through Air Commandos, Eco Warriors, Battle Copters, Sigma Six, Giant 2-foot safety hazards, Transformers that don't Transform, and Giant launchers packed with every toyline imaginable

Yes I will continue to collect, but only because I know that even if the plastic quality stays the same after the movie line, it will inevitably improve at some point. In the meantime I will be very selective about what I buy. So far the only thing that has been overly rubbery on my Ret figures is the Cobra Trooper, which isn't surprising given how you're suppose to throw him. My Joe Trooper feels a little off, but nothing is overly rubbery about him besides his Backpack, but perhaps I've just had good luck so far. Wave one seemed almost like a afterthought line even to Hasbro, Waves two and three shall be the determinaing factor to me on how well the platic is, though I already know it will not be as good as POC/30th due to it being a movie line, the same thing happens with Transformers.

[Vance1714]

I have yet to encounter this NEW plastic, but have heard some really bad things about it. I don't open all my figures so if I have a bad plastic batch on a figure here and there no biggie. I will still collect, I'm into to deep now, like a bad DRUG problem that never existed!!!!

[fireflyguy]

I've noticed the plastic quality has decreased, but it's not bad enough, IMO, to make me quit collecting.

[Crimson Rage]

The cheap, greasy plastic bothers me way more than the reduced articulation. If it did indeed become the norm, especially combined with reduced paint apps, I'm seriously limit my buying.

[SolidSnakeEyes]

Are you just noticing this issue with the newest movie figures, or has it been trending for a while? I ask, because I haven't noticed this issue with anything up through 30th...however, I have yet to buy any of the current movie line.

But to answer your question: Yes, I will most likely continue collecting. Even if this "bad rubber" issue is indeed the new norm (and not just a fluke), unless it's ungodly awful, it won't be enough to make me turn my back on 27 years of collecting.

[Gatchaman]

Are you just noticing this issue with the newest movie figures, or has it been trending for a while? I ask, because I haven't noticed this issue with anything up through 30th...however, I have yet to buy any of the current movie line.

But to answer your question: Yes, I will most likely continue collecting. If this "bad rubber" issue is indeed the new norm, and not just a fluke, then unless it's ungodly awful, it won't be enough to revoke 27 years of collecting on my part.

No it just started with the new movie figs.

[SolidSnakeEyes]

No it just started with the new movie figs.

That's a bummer. I know that the new figures do LOOK different, which I suppose could be attributed to the poorer quality plastic. I guess I'll have to buy one just to check it out.

[Ruin]

What, is that why figures don't come with stands?

[sharky]

Suddenly MOC collecting doesn't seem so bad.

[Jefehawk]

I'm pretty sure I will collect every non-movie Joe I can find even if the plastic sucks...The movie figures just seem cheap to me... I will get the ones I think look cool (mostly ones that arent out yet) but will be more selective in the movie line...one thing I can tell you is the Ninja thing is wearing thin IMO.

[Tauron]

Let's hope the plastic issue is exclusive to the movie line. For me it's a wait and see issue. At this point I can't really make that call.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I'll buy the random figures I really like, but for the most part, if they follow this trend (with the rubbery plastic) I'm probably done.

[07GT500 COBRA]

My buying is starting to be more selective anyhow as my ARAH modern era wants are filling up. It will take ultimate or updated versions to influence my buying habits more and more.

[goodguys9]

Cobra Trooper is my only Retaliation figure so far but I have not noticed unusual plastic; the Swamp Viper plastic is really tough.

[Red Sox]

I got back in during Spy Troops and seen countless changes, some good and some bad. A different kind of plastic isn't going to alter my collecting.

[bitetheasp]

I have the 3-pack Kamakura and he is fine.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Plastic is one thing...but lesser of the 2 evils...continued deres-solution of articulation is unacceptable...and will be a game changer if they continue to put out main stream and vehicles drivers like the retaliation vehicle drivers...at least with a lot fo what they showed at the con of waves 3-5....they dont look like they did too much of that...

[Shin Densetsu]

the plastic for the hands is my main concern, thee Red Ninja and Storm Shadow from Retaliation can barely hold their swords.

[firefox91]

Let's hope the plastic issue is exclusive to the movie line.

Now there is something they should be marketing. "Retaliation line exclusive, new shitty plastic!" LOL

[Xenos]

I own almost every Toy Biz Marvel Legends figure. If that didn't make me stop collecting, then no amount of rubbery plastic ever will.

[monstermonkey]

I'm not sure I know about this new "too rubbery" plastic. I only have the 2 Ret. 3 packs, 2 Red Ninjas, Zartan and the Black CC and they all seem fine enough, however the plastic used on Zartan and CC seems cheaper, thinner...something worse than what we were used to, but not rubbery.

The plastic used for many of the Marvel Universe figures, on the other hand....that's too soft. I can barely get those guys to stand up or hold a pose.

[Steevy Maximus]

I've always read that the more pliable plastic Hasbro uses is actually more expensive than the "harder plastic" used back in the 80s.

The reason they use it is for durability reasons: remember how ARAH figure would lose thumbs and crotches after play? The newer plastics are intended to rectify that, not only that, but with all the articulation fans DEMAND be present, that is more parts with the potential to break.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I've always read that the more pliable plastic Hasbro uses is actually more expensive than the "harder plastic" used back in the 80s.

The reason they use it is for durability reasons: remember how ARAH figure would lose thumbs and crotches after play? The newer plastics are intended to rectify that, not only that, but with all the articulation fans DEMAND be present, that is more parts with the potential to break.

Yeah the plastics on POC and 25th are superior to Retaliations..there is something up with the new plastic....its seems cheaper and less cohesive...kinda like wax way too pliable (example the lower legs on Horrorshow and the hands on the ninjas that was mentioned) maybe is the word I am looking for...not rigid/more firm like the 25th had. Its akin to the weapons that MU/Starwars figures come with...they need to stay the hell away form that type of plastic, especially with the accessories...doesn't need to be as stiff and rigid as vintage stuff, but doesnt have to be loosey goosey either

[SolidSnakeEyes]

I own almost every Toy Biz Marvel Legends figure. If that didn't make me stop collecting, then no amount of rubbery plastic ever will.

I happen to think the TB Marvel Legends are some of the best action figures ever made. Granted, sometimes they had bad paint apps...but, I never had/have trouble otherwise.

[MonkeyBoyZ]

As long as the plastic smells the same when I first open the package, I will keep buying. I am addicted to it.

[Cobra Terrorist]

I guess I'll need more exposure to figs with the new plastic before I can fully decide whether or not I like it. The only figs I've really messed around with recently are Joe Trooper and Amazon Storm Shadow.

I actually liked the new plastic on SS; it seems to give him more feel/realism somehow. I also like the "surface finish" of it. It looks slightly more coarse, like real cloth - rather than hard, shiny plastic.


As long as the plastic smells the same when I first open the package, I will keep buying. I am addicted to it.

Ha! I'm with ya, man. I love that smell!

[SolidSnakeEyes]

As long as the plastic smells the same when I first open the package, I will keep buying. I am addicted to it.

Truth! I tend to save my new figures, and take them to work with me to open up (idle hands, keeps me from going nuts). My co-workers always laugh at me when I huff the packages haha I swear, I think it's subconscious sometimes.

[GI abe444]

I'm always gonna collect them no matter what. Been collecting since i was 8 yrs old and havent stopped.

[goodguys9]

I've noticed my Dreadnoks 7 pack hands seem too rubbery for the figures to hold their guns.

[BvH]

Has anyone noticed if the DG Joes are suffering the same softer plastic fate that the movie line is getting?

Didn't see any mention of it....

[CrimsonGuard101]

Has anyone noticed if the DG Joes are suffering the same softer plastic fate that the movie line is getting?

Didn't see any mention of it....

No, they are gtg...which is suprising given they are cheaper lol...

[SolidSnakeEyes]

I noticed my first instance of this, with the Retaliation 3pack Kamakura. His feet are somewhat rubbery, which makes it hard to move them.

[kingphilbert]

I'll keep collecting 30th style figures, or modern repros of classic figures. Right now I would say it's TBD if they keep using the softer plastic from the movie line on the main line. Even then it only seems to be the knee joints that are the biggest gripe for me. Only time will tell in most instances.

[Steelgrave]

Collecting is impossible now. The stores don't stock the toys & online is too expensive. I quit collecting this past Dec. when the Sci-Fi wave never showed up in stores. Hasbro has created a scalpers paradise & I don't want any part of it.

[Steevy Maximus]

Collecting is impossible now. The stores don't stock the toys & online is too expensive. I quit collecting this past Dec. when the Sci-Fi wave never showed up in stores. Hasbro has created a scalpers paradise & I don't want any part of it.

Unless you pre-order, like I do, and only end up paying a couple bucks above retail (btw, I got SciFi and his wavemates at TRU.com and Walgreens, Walgreens being most expensive at $10.99)...

I have very little sympathy for posters like Steelgrave for a few simple reasons:
GI Joe distribution has SUCKED ASS since the end of RoC. After a mediocre film turnout and Walmart's unwillingness to even CARRY Joe in a significant number of markets and lack of a major new media push, it was pretty obvious the later 30th waves would probably see crap distribution coming right before a planned movie switch (especially since later waves of PoC got crap distribution).
It's not like in Transformers where the Hunt For the Decepticon line was everywhere, and Reveal the Shield was MIA, GI joe was having issues since the end of RoC and thus gave ample time to really look at the situation and plan around retail's deficiencies.

Every time BBTS put up a new wave on pre-order, the single figure orders were $15, or a set which generally averaged $10 per figure. Yes, more than retail, but if you have been having issues getting figures, is it really any more expensive than driving to dozens of stores multiple days a week to MAYBE find the figures?
Remember, scalpers feed off the impatience of collectors. If people don't buy from scalpers, then scalpers wouldn't be buying the product.

[Black Llama]

Has anyone noticed if the DG Joes are suffering the same softer plastic fate that the movie line is getting?

Didn't see any mention of it....

The DG Joe's are as nice and solid as plastic toys come. Joints are firm, and they don't have that "oily" feel to them.

The single card figures for Retaliation on the other hand... I'm quite sure that if I threw my red ninja against the ground he would bounce.


And leave a stain.


And a few posters here are correct, the areas that suffer the worst are the hands and feet. My same red ninja cannot hold his weapons, not fit on a foot peg as the plastic is too soft oily for it to work.

[Raw Dog]

I really hadn't noticed that Hasbro had begun using cheaper plastic, lol, so I guess I'll keep collecting Joe figs.

[ChicagoScott]

The footpeg problem seems to be more of a hole that is too small issue than a plastic issue. Jinx does not fit well on her stand as well.

[DarkHorse]

I don't think it's that bad. Not enough to make me alter my purchasing habits anyway.

[BvH]

No, they are gtg...which is suprising given they are cheaper lol...



The DG Joe's are as nice and solid as plastic toys come. Joints are firm, and they don't have that "oily" feel to them.

The single card figures for Retaliation on the other hand... I'm quite sure that if I threw my red ninja against the ground he would bounce.


And leave a stain.


And a few posters here are correct, the areas that suffer the worst are the hands and feet. My same red ninja cannot hold his weapons, not fit on a foot peg as the plastic is too soft oily for it to work.



Thanks for the detailed info, guys! :D

[CobraOfficer999]

If its' the same core group we've seen for the past decade, then, no new figs from this line, I'm content with ARAH, 25th, ROC, and 30th. If they actually release any new figs or previously unproduced figs, maybe.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

I have a feeling the softer plastic is another "kid friendly feature." All the later waves of Retaliation appear to be made out of it. I suspect it IS more expensive to make, and Hasbro will be happy to ditch it after their "child reach" attempt with the movie toys is over.

[BvH]

I have a feeling the softer plastic is another "kid friendly feature." All the later waves of Retaliation appear to be made out of it. I suspect it IS more expensive to make, and Hasbro will be happy to ditch it after their "child reach" attempt with the movie toys is over.

Makes sense to me and makes cents for Hasbro.

[Kaboomskie]

It's not the plastic but what the plastic represents.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zUaKzxHY8qg/Tm7YLzVqpqI/AAAAAAAACcE/Jl6gigwS410/s1600/REPRESENT-Logo-SNAPBACK-Cap_2.jpg

[MeLikeJinx]

Just bought my first Retaliation fig and noticed this for the first time... feels so weird. Not as soft as MU, but noticeably softer than 25th or POC Joes.

[vapor]

I will still keep collecting but it will limit what I buy. I really like the 3 pack kamakura but he suffers from this plastic problem the worst of all the retaliation figs ive gotten so far. If I even move him, he just falls over and comes apart.

I had him on a stand with just one peg and he would not stand for shit so I had to use a two peg stand and pose him just right, I havn't moved him since but it doe's bum me out a bit. We need are stands back and better plastic.

[flip wilson]

It seems like most people are imagining this "soft, oily plastic" thing. Either that, or highly exaggerating. I'm glad they're not ARAH hard, because then all the thumbs and/or crotches would break off.

[scruffyronin]

My 9 year old just got his Joe Trooper and couldn't care less about the plastic.

[Griff]

That's a bummer. I know that the new figures do LOOK different, which I suppose could be attributed to the poorer quality plastic. I guess I'll have to buy one just to check it out.

I have two of the red ninjas and yeah..the plastic is most adefitnely a lesser quality and really cheap. some fo the figures are nice looking but combined with reduced articulation and higher prices the current figures are just bad. also too a lot of the figures are already discolored in the package....the joe trooper being the best example. His leower legs and arms are a much lighter green where as the torso and upper legs are almost liek a diahrea green/yellow color.

[Laser Viper]

I notice more with the Joe line, but i have encounter the "better" plastic and the "bad" plastic on Transformers. It seems the Transformers RID and the Beast Hunter have somewhat better plastic than the Fall of Cybertron line does. Thats me though.

[NAJA EMPIRE]

No matter what happens i will always collect figures, i am truely addicted and cant stop, i have tried but theres no chance it will end!!!!

[M_renegade]

the joe trooper being the best example. His leower legs and arms are a much lighter green where as the torso and upper legs are almost liek a diahrea green/yellow color.

Yeah, my trooper has diferent greens too.
It's not discoloration, it's a color difference because the type of plastic (rubber and hard). Unfortunately, since they need to keep them cheap, they won't paint the whole legs to match the color :S

Thanks, rocket-launchers.
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[UNDERCOVER]

I will never stop, its gi joe for me until my last breath.

[iambob13]

End of the line!

I've already cut back quite a bit on my collecting habits due to budgeting restraints. Crap plastic and lower articulation make it very easy to say no. I'll buy the few that I REALLY like and be done with the movie line. So far for Retaliation, I've bought nothing. These "Ultimate" figures, though, have me planning ahead to make sure I get them.

[MFJayman]

The plastic was very bad on the Amazon Renegades 4-pack ninjas. Their lower legs especially felt like rubber. Got rid of them quick.

Even the 3-pack Firefly seems to have softer lower legs, though not nearly as bad as those Amazon figures. The knees seem to be the weakest link though. You can get quite a bit of side-to-side wiggle at the lower legs. This is unfortunate. This Firefly is for all intents and purposes a 30th figure, yet due to his inclusion in the Retaliation line, he is not made of the same sturdy stuff as his 2011 brethren. It isn’t a dramatic decrease in quality or sturdiness, but it is noticeable, and can be frustrating, considering the figure is otherwise so fantastic.

I’m nervous about the upcoming wave 3 now. Sooo many excellent figures. How are soft wobbly legs going to hold up that Data-Viper?

[stillagijoefan]

If Hasbro keeps using this new cheap plastic even after the movie figures are done are you going to keep collecting?

I’m just curios because this new plastic is pretty horrible. The figs don’t stand well because the legs and body are so rubbery. They also don’t hold things in their hands very well because of the same reason. It’s even hard to move legs and arms because they just want to bend instead of moving at the joints like they are suppose too.

I really want those unmade figs Hasbro showed us last week but it would really stink if they were all made with this new plastic.

What are your thoughts?

Yes, i will collect the ones that i want. I've been a GI joe fan since i was 5, but recently started collecting them again. As for figures I have only picked up the current DG, and some 30th anniversay. The retaliation figs I want have been hard to find.
My thoughts, G.I joe figures are still a great product. I have not noticed an issue with the plastic. The DG ones are easily posable. And The detail and sculpting is vastly improved over the joes my dad bought me in the 80's.

Update. Picked up a Alley Viper. I definitely like it. Looking forward to more with wave 3.
http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a569/hbiograd/A4_zps7b8f5f29.jpg

[Psycho Joe Guy]

It's only the first wave of Retaliation figures that have the rubbery plastic. It seems that Hasbro used the movie push back as a time to not only retool for the collector oriented "ultimates," but they changed from the soft plastic for wave 2 and on.